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(Slate)   There have been better Super Bowls, they have been closer Super Bowls, there have been more exciting Super Bowls, but last night's game will go down in the history books as the weirdest Super Bowl of all   (slate.com) divider line 42
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2013-02-04 10:51:37 AM
4 votes:

Pronoun: Better to have the big game in a dome with a city built for it than say...New York. Ever.


Reasons the Superb Owl should be in New Orleans every year:

The building itself is a mere stumbling distance from 14 gajillion hotel rooms and restaurants. No need to worry about designating a driver.

While you can rightly criticize the NOPD, one thing they get right is crowd control. Are we corrupt? Sure. But there's nothing that compares to NOLA cops when it comes to supervising thousands of drunk and half-naked people.

Oh, and it's New Orleans. No one here gives a damn about anything. It's the South, technically, and very Catholic, but this is the place you go to when it's time for hookers and blow. Vegas may market itself as sin city, but they have nothing on us.

Finally, NOLA is rather small. You really can't get lost unless you're an idiot. Everyone - even the criminals - is friendly. Our sandwiches and seafood are better than yours. Old and portly black women call you "sugah" and "sweetheart" on the streetcars. I could go on about why the SB should be here every year, but it's a long list.

To those who came this year, we thank you for your patronage.
2013-02-04 12:21:08 PM
2 votes:
My only problem with the no-call at the end was the fact that they called a PI penalty on the 49ers on the Ravens previous drive that was much less flagrant.

They had been letting contact and PI go all night until that very key call against the 49ers continued a long Baltimore drive.
2013-02-04 11:58:31 AM
2 votes:

IAmRight: Droog8912: Speaking as someone who didn't care who won, the officials sucked out loud.  During the first scrum, a Raven threw a punch.  During the second scrum, Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone and I'm pretty sure a 9er tossed a punch or two.

Yeah, I was sure Williams was going to get ejected at that point. But in fairness, he did get his head shoved into the ground at least five times right in front of the ref, who did nothing.

I realize that no one wants to be the ref making personal foul calls a few minutes into the Super Bowl...but damn, man, they just let anything go, which resulted in that giant fight.


I was stunned to see a player - in any sport - turn and straight out shove a referee and not just not get summarily and instantly ejected but there wasn't any call at all, not even a personal foul.
2013-02-04 10:56:00 AM
2 votes:
The 1989 World Series laughs at your little power outage.
2013-02-04 10:55:59 AM
2 votes:

SlothB77: One of the primary reasons the NFL chose New Orleans to host the Super Bowl was sympathy for Hurricane Katrina.  In the aftermath of the hurricane, the NFL saw this as an opportunity to get some good PR and help assist the city get back on its feet by hosting the game.  Considerations, like if the Superdome could avoid a power outage, were ignored and this is the result we get.  Much better alternative sites could have been chosen.  The NFL made the decision to pick New Orleans for PR reasons and the result was an embarrassment.


0/10
2013-02-04 10:44:03 AM
2 votes:

Nabb1: Sean Payton's dad is an electrician. Just sayin'.


So what he offered his dad $10,000 to knock the lights out?
2013-02-04 10:36:54 AM
2 votes:
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2013-02-04 10:35:50 AM
2 votes:

EnviroDude: One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)


Honestly, I thought that the helmet-to-helmet on the receiver the prior play was way more egregious.  I'm no 49ers fan, but the refs absolutely inserted themselves into the game at the end instead of letting the players on the field settle it.
2013-02-04 10:13:02 AM
2 votes:
cdn2-b.examiner.com
I was waiting for this to happen.
2013-02-04 10:09:25 AM
2 votes:
The lights out bowl !

if it wasnt for the lights the game was going to be 60-6 in a very quick and short fashion.
2013-02-04 08:51:56 AM
2 votes:
So that's what it takes to get America to pay attention to New Orleans' crumbling infrastructure.
2013-02-04 03:18:43 PM
1 votes:

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Coach_J: Which is pretty impossible since I think you are clearly one of the biggest idiots on this site.

Well done...it's pretty hard to fit that much stupid into such a succinct post like that...very impressive.

Internet Tough Guy, too!  I know for a fact Chris Culliver won't sleep with you.


How does calling you "one of the biggest idiots on this site" make me an ITG?

BTW, if the ref uses the justification of "uncatchable" as to why he's not calling PI, he HAS to signal that by putting his palm above his head.  As you'll notice, no such call was given, thus once again, you are wrong.

They didn't make the call, because they "swallowed their whistles".  Not catchable had ZERO bearing on why the call was made or not.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2012 %2 0-%20Rule%20Book.pdf
2013-02-04 03:04:06 PM
1 votes:

Coach_J: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Coach_J: IAmRight: Ah, we all know that photographs are an excellent way to show action.

But they are an excellent way to show a defender who has two handfuls of jersey, one of which is reaching ACROSS THE BODY of the receiver to impede his route.  WITH. A. FISTFUL. OF. JERSEY.

There is zero doubt that is defensive PI.  It's catchable, the ball is in the air and he's got 2 handfuls of jersey while using an armbar to hook the WR.  That is a textbook defensive penalty of Illegal contact if the ball hasn't been thrown or PI if he ball has been thrown and it's catchable.

If you want to argue call or non-call to not decide the game...fine, but arguing that it's not a penalty is ridiculous.

And please, all of you...stop quoting Peter King and other media sheeple who routinely "carry the water" for Goodell and the NFL.  These knuckleheads aren't going to risk their unfettered access to the NFL by saying something the NFL doesn't want said about it's largest game.

And BTW, I can't stand Jim Harbaugh...with a passion do I not like that jackass with his self-inflated ego that I can't actually believe fit inside the Superdome...so if anything I'm on Cloud 9 that his team got jobbed...but that was a defensive penalty without question.

Again:

1) Crabtree initiated the contact.  It could have been Offensive PI at that point.
2) Could not have been holding, as the ball was in the air when contact occurred.
3) Crabtree himself disagrees with you., as does Periera and a wide host of people not in Goodell's bucket.
4) The ball was not a catchable pass.

1)  My quote was "there is zero doubt this is defensive PI".
2)  Whether or not the WR initiated the contact is irrelevant to the call of defensive PI or not.
3)  The ball was easily catchable and since neither ref didn't indicate that the ball was not catchable as they are required to do by rule, you are wrong as usual.
4)  And if you think for one second the ex-VP of NFL officiating isn't carrying the w ...


1) ...or offensive PI (the defensive holding could not be a penalty, as the ball was in the air when the contact started)
2) the offensive player initiating the contact means the call could go either way.  Could the ref have penalized the Ravens?  Sure, but then he'd have to explain why Crabtree was pushing the CB down by the face.  Hence, no call.  It was contact, and jockeying, and it happens in every NFL game, and it goes unpenalized in every NFL game.
3) the ball landed out of bounds by a good yard and was in a high arc.  Uncatchable, and the refs didn't need to rule it that way, because they never threw the flag.  They signaled incomplete, which was appropriate.  Crabtree said as much.
4) you overlooked Crabtree stating that the ball was too high and was basically uncatchable.  But I guess that Crabtree carries water for Goodell, too, right?

What is stupid is arguing this call.  It was a good non-call, and everyone except 49er fans seem to understand that.  What is stupid is whining and complaining about one call when a) both teams got away with murder, and b) the 49ers sucked for three quarters.
2013-02-04 02:52:50 PM
1 votes:

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Coach_J: IAmRight: Ah, we all know that photographs are an excellent way to show action.

But they are an excellent way to show a defender who has two handfuls of jersey, one of which is reaching ACROSS THE BODY of the receiver to impede his route.  WITH. A. FISTFUL. OF. JERSEY.

There is zero doubt that is defensive PI.  It's catchable, the ball is in the air and he's got 2 handfuls of jersey while using an armbar to hook the WR.  That is a textbook defensive penalty of Illegal contact if the ball hasn't been thrown or PI if he ball has been thrown and it's catchable.

If you want to argue call or non-call to not decide the game...fine, but arguing that it's not a penalty is ridiculous.

And please, all of you...stop quoting Peter King and other media sheeple who routinely "carry the water" for Goodell and the NFL.  These knuckleheads aren't going to risk their unfettered access to the NFL by saying something the NFL doesn't want said about it's largest game.

And BTW, I can't stand Jim Harbaugh...with a passion do I not like that jackass with his self-inflated ego that I can't actually believe fit inside the Superdome...so if anything I'm on Cloud 9 that his team got jobbed...but that was a defensive penalty without question.

Again:

1) Crabtree initiated the contact.  It could have been Offensive PI at that point.
2) Could not have been holding, as the ball was in the air when contact occurred.
3) Crabtree himself disagrees with you., as does Periera and a wide host of people not in Goodell's bucket.
4) The ball was not a catchable pass.


1)  My quote was "there is zero doubt this is defensive PI".
2)  Whether or not the WR initiated the contact is irrelevant to the call of defensive PI or not.
3)  The ball was easily catchable and since neither ref didn't indicate that the ball was not catchable as they are required to do by rule, you are wrong as usual.
4)  And if you think for one second the ex-VP of NFL officiating isn't carrying the water for the NFL, you are a bigger idiot than I thought.

Which is pretty impossible since I think you are clearly one of the biggest idiots on this site.

Well done...it's pretty hard to fit that much stupid into such a succinct post like that...very impressive.
2013-02-04 02:32:43 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: Ah, we all know that photographs are an excellent way to show action.


But they are an excellent way to show a defender who has two handfuls of jersey, one of which is reaching ACROSS THE BODY of the receiver to impede his route.  WITH. A. FISTFUL. OF. JERSEY.

There is zero doubt that is defensive PI.  It's catchable, the ball is in the air and he's got 2 handfuls of jersey while using an armbar to hook the WR.  That is a textbook defensive penalty of Illegal contact if the ball hasn't been thrown or PI if he ball has been thrown and it's catchable.

If you want to argue call or non-call to not decide the game...fine, but arguing that it's not a penalty is ridiculous.

And please, all of you...stop quoting Peter King and other media sheeple who routinely "carry the water" for Goodell and the NFL.  These knuckleheads aren't going to risk their unfettered access to the NFL by saying something the NFL doesn't want said about it's largest game.

And BTW, I can't stand Jim Harbaugh...with a passion do I not like that jackass with his self-inflated ego that I can't actually believe fit inside the Superdome...so if anything I'm on Cloud 9 that his team got jobbed...but that was a defensive penalty without question.
2013-02-04 02:29:08 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight:
And Randy Moss got to lose!

That too.  Kind of like a late Christmas present. Double bonus: Jim Harbough acting like a twat on the sidelines at the end.

JohnBigBootay: For some reason I am continually amazed at the carping about the refs.


I think all the non-homers are saying the same thing, just arguing about a few calls along the way: the 9ers screwed themselves in the first half, and the refs swallowed their whistles (with debating to what extent they should/should not).

In my mind, the worst officiating I saw was not ejecting Cary Williams after the 2nd scrum.  If you want to let them push and shove, fine, but he shoved an official and was throwing blows.  That shiat is uncalled for.
2013-02-04 02:24:31 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: , that's the thing about people talking about how it would've been great to have another undefeated team so the Dolphins fans wouldn't be so smug...a) I know two Dolphins fans, and they never bring that up,


I still say the pats lost to the ravens that year,  The refs just gave them 3 redo's well since they are the pats.
2013-02-04 02:22:09 PM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: If he'd won with the Pats in '07, I think more people would have been happy - I certainly would have.


Well, if he'd won the SB but the Pats still went 18-1, it would've been fine.

See, that's the thing about people talking about how it would've been great to have another undefeated team so the Dolphins fans wouldn't be so smug...a) I know two Dolphins fans, and they never bring that up, mostly because it happened before they were alive. b) brings me to the other point - the other time it happened was 1972 - not only are people not really bragging about it now, but anyone who remembers is over halfway to death. I really don't need an entire lifetime of Patriots fans talking about their undefeated season and how theirs was way better than the Dolphins'.
2013-02-04 02:08:35 PM
1 votes:
I have to agree:  some superbowls are blowouts, and some are nail-biters, but this was somehow was both.  Plus utter fail, and flawless victory (109 yards!) and a nice controversy at the end so nobody really feels like they lost on account of being losers.

I could tell it was special when my wife, who barely pays attention and then only during commericial breaks, remarked afterwards that wow, that was a farked-up game.  Yes, it was.
2013-02-04 01:37:03 PM
1 votes:
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2013-02-04 01:28:13 PM
1 votes:

downtownkid: Mike Francesa: "That's a flag any way you look at it".


Oh, well clearly a radio host would be the ultimate authority in these cases.
2013-02-04 12:25:41 PM
1 votes:
One of the primary reasons the NFL chose New Orleans to host the Super Bowl was sympathy for Hurricane Katrina.  In the aftermath of the hurricane, the NFL saw this as an opportunity to get some good PR and help assist the city get back on its feet by hosting the game.  Considerations, like if the Superdome could avoid a power outage, were ignored and this is the result we get.  Much better alternative sites could have been chosen.  The NFL made the decision to pick New Orleans for PR reasons and the result was an embarrassment.

0/10



Sure, Respond to the "troll" and give it zero? Any response means he scores a point. Stupid.
2013-02-04 12:12:37 PM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Droog8912: Not to mention Boldin has mastered the "stiff-arm the CB before a brilliant catch" play

Were we watching the same game? The only pass Boldin didn't catch was the only one he didn't jump ~16 feet for (and it his him in the hands. Go figger). Not that the two are mutually exclusive, but you're saying the process is "shove-jump-catch" when Boldin likely has at least 2" and 20# on the DB?


He only did it once this game from what I saw, but Boldin is excellent at shoving off.  Most of the great receivers are good at getting away with it.  I like Boldin a lot, too.  Probably the ballsiest receiver in the league; I still get shivers thinking about how he broke his jaw.
2013-02-04 11:46:25 AM
1 votes:

Droog8912: On another note, there is no way in hell the Raven should pay Flacco like a top 5 QB. Heaving it up as high and hard as you can for Torrey Smith and Boldin to make a play on is not deserving of top-5 QB money. Non-exclusive franchise tag him: let someone else overpay and take their two 1st round picks.


That might be the stupidest thing I have read today.  Flacco is a really accurate deep ball thrower in a league that is more and more pass centric. Are there 5 QBs who should be making more than him? Brady, Rogers, Brees, Eli... and then you are struggling Rothelisburger looks like he is falling apart, Peyton is good but on his way out.  Matt Ryan is probably next and he is about on par with Flacco but Joe has came through in the big games.

Every other relevant QB is on the new rookie scale contract except Stafford and I think I would rather have Flacco.  You don't want to pay a player that can't win so when you find one that can you better pay him because someone will.  He has taken the Ravens to the playoffs every season and is 9-4 in post season games.  All about winning.
2013-02-04 11:45:24 AM
1 votes:

Droog8912: I'm not sure how many times I've pointed out that: a) the officials sucked at calling flags against both teams, b) the 9ers committed more than their fair share of unflagged penalties, but now you can add 1 to each of those totals, presuming you can count that high.


Yeah, you're throwing that phrase in there, then listing every way in which they ignored a Baltimore "penalty," while explaining that the ones "blown" that benefitted the 49ers weren't as important or they weren't a big deal because of some other reason.
2013-02-04 11:26:52 AM
1 votes:

poisonedpawn78: The lights out bowl !

if it wasnt for the lights the game was going to be 60-6 in a very quick and short fashion.


If I was still a believer in conspiracy theories, I'd almost say that the NFL specifically cut the lights to spice
things up.
2013-02-04 11:17:05 AM
1 votes:

unyon: So that's what it takes to get America to pay attention to New Orleans' crumbling infrastructure.


Look if you all can't keep your politicians from stealing the money intended for rebuilding after Katrina what the fark do you expect the rest of the country to do about it?

I figure it has been what seven or eight years now NOLA is about as good as it is going to get and you farkers should be taking care of your own problems.
2013-02-04 11:07:17 AM
1 votes:
When the power came back on, it was clear that San Francisco had done a better job of embracing the process of standing around doing nothing for a half hour.

That one cracked my shiat up.

With CBS' Jim Nantz and Phil Simms deprived of electricity, a confused nation got to see the sportscasting version ofSpace Camp...

I noticed this at other times, as well. Someone in the control booth apparently had Parkinson's, and kept switching to cameras that weren't in position yet, were just pointing at nothing, or were pointing at activity that had no context added. Every time this happened, it would go silent, or you would heard something that sounded like "Urg...", then it would go silent. Normally these guys can talk over this shiat like it isn't happening.

... as CBS' cameras showed the Ravens coach screaming expletives at a gentleman in a suit that nobody bothered to identify.

Really? The author can't figure it out? Harbaugh recognized that the man in stuit is responsible for not only the US power grid, but the more localized N.O. one as well. Additionally, the man installed all of the lights in the stadium, manufactured all of the associated components, paid the bills and di the building inspections. My wife even noticed the big toolbelt the guy in the suit was wearing. Seriously though, Harbaugh can be angry, but who WAS that guy to get ALL of Harbaugh's wrath? I'm guessing this jack-of-all trades is probably the single NFL official who decided that it's just not cricket to play football with only half of your lights. Harbaugh is a prick, it's no wonder that he coaches the farking Dirty Birds.

...another incomplete pass to Crabtree in which the receiver's head was nearly separated from his torso.

Yeah, does anyone know if helmet to helmet is going to be the next pass interference? Currently, it's almost impossible to figure out what IS and what isn't PI. A defender can come out of a play wearing the receiver's cock ring and it's not called. Other times, I've seen it called where nobody touched anybody at any point in the play. Helmet to helmet is like that, two people brush helmets and it's a freaking suspension, fine ejection and a 15 yard penalty, other times, this happens, where the defender lowers his head, hits the reciever u underneath the china and rocks his head back, and it's "legal"...


As for the actual game? San Francisco's QB was amazing, I haven't really watched the guy before. Sure Simms went overboard slobbering his knob, but the dude has some serious talent. Otherwise, it was a pretty exciting 3rd quarter. The rest of the game, though weird, was pretty much a poorly executed snooze-fest. The commercials weren't even good, and the halftime show was as boring as the first half. The only cool thing about the halftime show, in my mind, is the sheer enormity of the production. I've gone to concerts that needed a day or two to set up 1/2 the stage that these people set up in roughly 10 minutes. That's pretty awesome.
2013-02-04 11:01:37 AM
1 votes:
Flacco said it "F*cking Awesome."

I heard him.
2013-02-04 11:00:08 AM
1 votes:

Tigger: Only difference it makes - flag should have been thrown two seconds earlier for a safety adding two seconds to the clock.


A penalty doesn't stop the clock on holding in the end zone.  The play would have ended the same way.
2013-02-04 10:57:35 AM
1 votes:

SlothB77: One of the primary reasons the NFL chose New Orleans to host the Super Bowl was sympathy for Hurricane Katrina.  In the aftermath of the hurricane, the NFL saw this as an opportunity to get some good PR and help assist the city get back on its feet by hosting the game.  Considerations, like if the Superdome could avoid a power outage, were ignored and this is the result we get.  Much better alternative sites could have been chosen.  The NFL made the decision to pick New Orleans for PR reasons and the result was an embarrassment.


Oh, and because they've had several very successful Super Bowls there. But don't let that get in the way of your point.
2013-02-04 10:54:31 AM
1 votes:

Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety


Harbaugh's point wasn't that holding would have changed the result; he even said that's what the players should have been doing and were coached to do. But the refs are supposed to call penalties even when they would obviously be declined, or would reach the same result as the play on the field. For example, I've certainly seen instances where illegal contact or pass interference get called even when the receiver catches the ball anyway. That being the case, what he said was a comment on what he perceived to be the refs' inconsistency, arbitrariness, lack of attention - whatever you want to call it.
2013-02-04 10:51:44 AM
1 votes:

Yanks_RSJ: Really smart play by John, and on a personal note it was nice to be the one in the room to recommend it beforehand.


I liked that the announcer brought it up, then Simms said he wouldn't do it. If there was any doubt, that cinched that it was a great decision.
2013-02-04 10:48:39 AM
1 votes:
One of the primary reasons the NFL chose New Orleans to host the Super Bowl was sympathy for Hurricane Katrina.  In the aftermath of the hurricane, the NFL saw this as an opportunity to get some good PR and help assist the city get back on its feet by hosting the game.  Considerations, like if the Superdome could avoid a power outage, were ignored and this is the result we get.  Much better alternative sites could have been chosen.  The NFL made the decision to pick New Orleans for PR reasons and the result was an embarrassment.
2013-02-04 10:47:48 AM
1 votes:

meanmutton: Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety, when in reality every member of the Ravens SHOULD have been holding, because there is literally nothing to lose by committing penalties on a play intended to result in a safety.

Actually, now that you mention this -- why aren't the linemen all just flat-out tackling guys?


If you can find a replay from the opposite end zone angle (saw one this morning but can't find one now) you'll notice that that's pretty much what they're doing.  Really smart play by John, and on a personal note it was nice to be the one in the room to recommend it beforehand.
2013-02-04 10:41:23 AM
1 votes:

EyeballKid: Ebenator: [img.photobucket.com image 506x281]

How long until Kluwe jerseys become the top selling kicker jerseys? Which kicker has the top selling jersey now?


I'm pretty sure Chris Kluwe is the funniest person in the NFL.
2013-02-04 10:38:39 AM
1 votes:

Ebenator: [img.photobucket.com image 506x281]


How long until Kluwe jerseys become the top selling kicker jerseys? Which kicker has the top selling jersey now?
2013-02-04 10:37:34 AM
1 votes:
Closer is kind of arbitrary. First and goal for the win is as close as it gets. Well maybe the Rams victory - tackle the guy at the one on the last play, even though the margin was 7.
2013-02-04 10:30:08 AM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Yes. 4th down was the problem. Not the 3 other tries to go 5 yards that came up empty - because the refs failed to drop a yellow hanky on that one play, all was ruined. The 49ers had no other chances to move the ball and score other than with ~5 mins to go in the game.


They got the break of a lifetime when the lights went off for 35 minutes, because they were on their way to being blown out.  After the initial jam on that 4th down play, Crabtree and the corner were jousting each other - that's a no call there.  And I say that as someone with no rooting interest or money wagered on the game.

And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety, when in reality every member of the Ravens SHOULD have been holding, because there is literally nothing to lose by committing penalties on a play intended to result in a safety.
2013-02-04 10:19:20 AM
1 votes:

unyon: So that's what it takes to get America to pay attention to New Orleans' crumbling infrastructure.


I submitted a link a little while ago with an in-depth analysis of the blackout.  below is a picture of the cause:

www.afterelton.com
2013-02-04 10:18:05 AM
1 votes:

unyon: So that's what it takes to get America to pay attention to New Orleans' crumbling infrastructure.


You think this shiat is limited to New Orleans?  I didn't quit industry in disgust at the commoditization of our infrastructure because it was limited to one city.  The stuff I've seen would keep you up at night.  There's medical equipment being put together with parts I wouldn't trust to go into a plastic toy.

For years I had to listen to manufacturers say -- and quite honestly, mind you -- that they couldn't afford to pay for reliability without going out of business.  Americans just couldn't give a shiat about reliability when it's time to pay for it.  Well, here's your third-world infrastructure, America.  Enjoy it.

/ Biggest, most public event of the year and the richest nation in history can't keep the damn lights on
2013-02-04 09:59:13 AM
1 votes:
i'm telling ya - someone laid a voodoo whammy on the superbowl last night.
 
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