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(Slate)   There have been better Super Bowls, they have been closer Super Bowls, there have been more exciting Super Bowls, but last night's game will go down in the history books as the weirdest Super Bowl of all   (slate.com) divider line 204
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2013-02-04 11:03:45 AM

kronicfeld: Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety

Harbaugh's point wasn't that holding would have changed the result; he even said that's what the players should have been doing and were coached to do. But the refs are supposed to call penalties even when they would obviously be declined, or would reach the same result as the play on the field. For example, I've certainly seen instances where illegal contact or pass interference get called even when the receiver catches the ball anyway. That being the case, what he said was a comment on what he perceived to be the refs' inconsistency, arbitrariness, lack of attention - whatever you want to call it.


I'm choosing to see it as Jim Harbaugh being a huge baby, which he is.  I love his sideline temper tantrums, especially when replays confirm that his complaints are entirely unfounded and just dead wrong.
 
2013-02-04 11:05:04 AM

Yanks_RSJ: I love his sideline temper tantrums


I enjoy them more since the bad lip reading video...but now when I see him get angry, I think, "man, I kinda want cake too."
 
2013-02-04 11:06:15 AM

Tigger: meanmutton: Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety, when in reality every member of the Ravens SHOULD have been holding, because there is literally nothing to lose by committing penalties on a play intended to result in a safety.

Actually, now that you mention this -- why aren't the linemen all just flat-out tackling guys?

One of them flat out form tackled a dude in the end zone.

Only difference it makes - flag should have been thrown two seconds earlier for a safety adding two seconds to the clock.


Does holding in the endzone stop the play?

That doesn't seem right.

What if the qb/punter tried to throw a pass that was intercepted and returned for a touchdown?
 
2013-02-04 11:07:17 AM
When the power came back on, it was clear that San Francisco had done a better job of embracing the process of standing around doing nothing for a half hour.

That one cracked my shiat up.

With CBS' Jim Nantz and Phil Simms deprived of electricity, a confused nation got to see the sportscasting version ofSpace Camp...

I noticed this at other times, as well. Someone in the control booth apparently had Parkinson's, and kept switching to cameras that weren't in position yet, were just pointing at nothing, or were pointing at activity that had no context added. Every time this happened, it would go silent, or you would heard something that sounded like "Urg...", then it would go silent. Normally these guys can talk over this shiat like it isn't happening.

... as CBS' cameras showed the Ravens coach screaming expletives at a gentleman in a suit that nobody bothered to identify.

Really? The author can't figure it out? Harbaugh recognized that the man in stuit is responsible for not only the US power grid, but the more localized N.O. one as well. Additionally, the man installed all of the lights in the stadium, manufactured all of the associated components, paid the bills and di the building inspections. My wife even noticed the big toolbelt the guy in the suit was wearing. Seriously though, Harbaugh can be angry, but who WAS that guy to get ALL of Harbaugh's wrath? I'm guessing this jack-of-all trades is probably the single NFL official who decided that it's just not cricket to play football with only half of your lights. Harbaugh is a prick, it's no wonder that he coaches the farking Dirty Birds.

...another incomplete pass to Crabtree in which the receiver's head was nearly separated from his torso.

Yeah, does anyone know if helmet to helmet is going to be the next pass interference? Currently, it's almost impossible to figure out what IS and what isn't PI. A defender can come out of a play wearing the receiver's cock ring and it's not called. Other times, I've seen it called where nobody touched anybody at any point in the play. Helmet to helmet is like that, two people brush helmets and it's a freaking suspension, fine ejection and a 15 yard penalty, other times, this happens, where the defender lowers his head, hits the reciever u underneath the china and rocks his head back, and it's "legal"...


As for the actual game? San Francisco's QB was amazing, I haven't really watched the guy before. Sure Simms went overboard slobbering his knob, but the dude has some serious talent. Otherwise, it was a pretty exciting 3rd quarter. The rest of the game, though weird, was pretty much a poorly executed snooze-fest. The commercials weren't even good, and the halftime show was as boring as the first half. The only cool thing about the halftime show, in my mind, is the sheer enormity of the production. I've gone to concerts that needed a day or two to set up 1/2 the stage that these people set up in roughly 10 minutes. That's pretty awesome.
 
2013-02-04 11:08:22 AM

pute kisses like a man: SlothB77: One of the primary reasons the NFL chose New Orleans to host the Super Bowl was sympathy for Hurricane Katrina.  In the aftermath of the hurricane, the NFL saw this as an opportunity to get some good PR and help assist the city get back on its feet by hosting the game.  Considerations, like if the Superdome could avoid a power outage, were ignored and this is the result we get.  Much better alternative sites could have been chosen.  The NFL made the decision to pick New Orleans for PR reasons and the result was an embarrassment.

0/10


He's an idiot. As noted in an above post, New Orleans is a perfect town for the SB. Perhaps Katrina helped in that it inspired a major renovation to the 'Dome, but there are a million other reasons the NFL loves NOLA.

This outage could have happened in any other city. That it what was here is somewhat embarrassing, but we're still a premiere sports town. Final Fours, SBs, BCS, etc. We do it all, and typically in stride.
 
2013-02-04 11:09:18 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Tigger: Only difference it makes - flag should have been thrown two seconds earlier for a safety adding two seconds to the clock.

No it wouldn't, because it's not a dead ball penalty.  The play would still have continued to its conclusion, and the time would not be put back on the clock.


Correct - my error.
 
2013-02-04 11:10:16 AM

kronicfeld: Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety

Harbaugh's point wasn't that holding would have changed the result; he even said that's what the players should have been doing and were coached to do. But the refs are supposed to call penalties even when they would obviously be declined, or would reach the same result as the play on the field. For example, I've certainly seen instances where illegal contact or pass interference get called even when the receiver catches the ball anyway. That being the case, what he said was a comment on what he perceived to be the refs' inconsistency, arbitrariness, lack of attention - whatever you want to call it.


Speaking as someone who didn't care who won, the officials sucked out loud.  During the first scrum, a Raven threw a punch.  During the second scrum, Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone and I'm pretty sure a 9er tossed a punch or two.  Flacco was crushed when almost beyond the white stripe out of bounds.  Torry Smith committed one of the most obvious OPI I've ever seen on a deep pass, and Culliver was butt-humping every Raven receiver (when he wasn't being burned).  Then throw in the obvious illegal contact at the end of the game and the absurd holding on the safety and you get a great game that the officials did their best to fark up.

On another note, there is no way in hell the Raven should pay Flacco like a top 5 QB.  Heaving it up as high and hard as you can for Torrey Smith and Boldin to make a play on is not deserving of top-5 QB money.  Non-exclusive franchise tag him: let someone else overpay and take their two 1st round picks.

/tl;dr 49ers didn't get screwed, officials sucked completely
//Jim is a douche who should get punched, as previously stated
 
2013-02-04 11:14:54 AM

meanmutton: EnviroDude: One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)

Honestly, I thought that the helmet-to-helmet on the receiver the prior play was way more egregious.  I'm no 49ers fan, but the refs absolutely inserted themselves into the game at the end instead of letting the players on the field settle it.


Yep, and the on-air talent kept talking about how the refs shouldn't insert themselves into a "game like tis", which blew me away, since that's why the refs are there... The helmet to helmet stuff still confuses me, since shiat like that has no consistency.

As for the hold, Ravens fans keep trying to say that the receiver was pushing off, but they don't seem to notice that the Ravens guy had already grabbed the receiver's jersey and had been hanging off of it by that point.
 
2013-02-04 11:16:25 AM

Droog8912: Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone


Williams not being promptly ejected for that was when I figured the refs had been given the "don't do anything too controversial" memo by the league.
 
2013-02-04 11:16:32 AM
Its not particularly close to Canal. I made that walk once after a sugar bowl after I got separated from my group. Its not a nice neighborhood to walk through either. I tried to stay near other groups walking back so as not to be the lone drunk guy trying to make it back to the sheraton. I thoroughly enjoy Nawlins though and would like to get back again sometime.
 
2013-02-04 11:16:39 AM
Amazing game. Power outage was a major buzzkill, but i'm kind of glad it allowed SF to wake-up and make it a great game. Glad the officials made a "no call" on the Crabtree play at the end. Chris Carter even said it should have been a "no call" and Crabtree ran a crappy route.
 
2013-02-04 11:17:05 AM

unyon: So that's what it takes to get America to pay attention to New Orleans' crumbling infrastructure.


Look if you all can't keep your politicians from stealing the money intended for rebuilding after Katrina what the fark do you expect the rest of the country to do about it?

I figure it has been what seven or eight years now NOLA is about as good as it is going to get and you farkers should be taking care of your own problems.
 
2013-02-04 11:17:53 AM

Igor Jakovsky: Its not particularly close to Canal. I made that walk once after a sugar bowl after I got separated from my group. Its not a nice neighborhood to walk through either. I tried to stay near other groups walking back so as not to be the lone drunk guy trying to make it back to the sheraton. I thoroughly enjoy Nawlins though and would like to get back again sometime.


Whoops...this comment was supposed to be a reply to dickfreckle.
 
2013-02-04 11:18:17 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Tigger: Only difference it makes - flag should have been thrown two seconds earlier for a safety adding two seconds to the clock.

No it wouldn't, because it's not a dead ball penalty.  The play would still have continued to its conclusion, and the time would not be put back on the clock.


Correct; imo, it'd make more sense to call an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty (as a palpably unfair act) and charge them 15 yards on the safety-punt.  It was a pretty shiatty way to finish the game.

/Yes, I know they will never call a PUA unless an extra player charges onto the field, especially in the playoffs
 
2013-02-04 11:20:29 AM

Droog8912: Speaking as someone who didn't care who won, the officials sucked out loud.  During the first scrum, a Raven threw a punch.  During the second scrum, Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone and I'm pretty sure a 9er tossed a punch or two.


Yeah, I was sure Williams was going to get ejected at that point. But in fairness, he did get his head shoved into the ground at least five times right in front of the ref, who did nothing.

I realize that no one wants to be the ref making personal foul calls a few minutes into the Super Bowl...but damn, man, they just let anything go, which resulted in that giant fight.
 
2013-02-04 11:20:59 AM

Droog8912: Correct; imo, it'd make more sense to call an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty (as a palpably unfair act)


What is "palpably unfair" about it? It's a hold. There's already a rule covering it. The rule you cite is intended to give the refs a remedy if, say, Harbaugh runs off the sideline and tackles Jacoby Jones at the one yard line during his punt return.
 
2013-02-04 11:21:12 AM

Droog8912: Speaking as someone who didn't care who won, the officials sucked out loud.  During the first scrum, a Raven threw a punch.  During the second scrum, Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone and I'm pretty sure a 9er tossed a punch or two.


That's what happens when the NFL rigs the system to get a bad referee in charge of the Super Bowl.  That crew NEVER had control of the game at all.
 
2013-02-04 11:22:09 AM

IAmRight: Droog8912: Speaking as someone who didn't care who won, the officials sucked out loud.  During the first scrum, a Raven threw a punch.  During the second scrum, Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone and I'm pretty sure a 9er tossed a punch or two.

Yeah, I was sure Williams was going to get ejected at that point. But in fairness, he did get his head shoved into the ground at least five times right in front of the ref, who did nothing.

I realize that no one wants to be the ref making personal foul calls a few minutes into the Super Bowl...but damn, man, they just let anything go, which resulted in that giant fight.


Granted, I'm a huge Niners homer so to me I saw the Ravens being chippier than the Niners.  But you have to call one of those early scrums if you want to avoid a big scrum.
 
2013-02-04 11:23:49 AM

Igor Jakovsky: Igor Jakovsky: Its not particularly close to Canal. I made that walk once after a sugar bowl after I got separated from my group. Its not a nice neighborhood to walk through either. I tried to stay near other groups walking back so as not to be the lone drunk guy trying to make it back to the sheraton. I thoroughly enjoy Nawlins though and would like to get back again sometime.

Whoops...this comment was supposed to be a reply to dickfreckle.


If you were walking on Canal, no, it wasn't a pleasant walk. But the Dome is on Poydras, which is a safe walk. The whole reason Canal St. starts to suck is the Iberville housing project once out of the French Quarter.

Next time you're at the Sheraton, walk up St. Charles and take a right at Poydras. You'll be there in about 15 minutes.
 
2013-02-04 11:26:32 AM

kronicfeld: Droog8912: Correct; imo, it'd make more sense to call an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty (as a palpably unfair act)

What is "palpably unfair" about it? It's a hold. There's already a rule covering it. The rule you cite is intended to give the refs a remedy if, say, Harbaugh runs off the sideline and tackles Jacoby Jones at the one yard line during his punt return.


What is "palpably unfair" about the entire special teams squad committing excessive holding to the detriment of the game?  Someone was being held like he was choking and needed the Heimlich, ffs.
 
2013-02-04 11:26:52 AM

poisonedpawn78: The lights out bowl !

if it wasnt for the lights the game was going to be 60-6 in a very quick and short fashion.


If I was still a believer in conspiracy theories, I'd almost say that the NFL specifically cut the lights to spice
things up.
 
2013-02-04 11:28:44 AM

Dr Dreidel: Yanks_RSJ: EnviroDude: One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)

As long as Jim ends up getting punched in the face every year, that's fine.  God, what a baby.

Yes. 4th down was the problem. Not the 3 other tries to go 5 yards that came up empty - because the refs failed to drop a yellow hanky on that one play, all was ruined. The 49ers had no other chances to move the ball and score other than with ~5 mins to go in the game.

BTW, Lee Evans wants you to know he caught that ball last year, and Tom Brady says the ball Tyree "caught" moved when it hit turf. Also, UF thinks they won a National Championship against THE State of Ohio's University due to uncalled PI. Maybe Kaepernick should hold the ball when he gets sacked, and not throw it to Ed Reed on the next play.

// can't be fun to lose, and I hope Jim has more class than to cry about it for a year


For Jim Harbaugh, every game they lost has to do with bad officiating, and the games that were close were close because of bad officiating.  The way he throws tantrums on the sidelines are disgusting, and he should be penalized for it.  Harbaugh is very, very used to bending the rules and getting away with it; if 49er fans cry about this "holding" call (never mind that there were numerous missed PI penalties on the 49ers, as well as a few unnecessary roughness calls missed), then they waive all right to make fun of Seattle fans for Super Bowl XL (which did suffer from awful officiating for both sides).

Also, Dashon Goldson is a liability in coverage, and seems to be known only because he follows the usual process:

QB runs out of pocket.
QB slides after 15 yard gain.
Goldson decks him when he's down.
Goldson stands up, celebrates like he just sacked the QB.

There was nothing more delicious than Marshawn Lynch bowling over Goldson twice on one run in SF earlier this year.
 
2013-02-04 11:30:34 AM

p the boiler: someone should let Frank Gore Willis McGahee know so he can forget about his knee being blown up

 
2013-02-04 11:35:07 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: if 49er fans cry about this "holding" call (never mind that there were numerous missed PI penalties on the 49ers, as well as a few unnecessary roughness calls missed)


To be fair, blown calls at the end are always worse than blown calls early in a game.  Early on, there is time to overcome/rectify mistakes.  Not so much in the last drive.  Yes, there were tons of blown PI calls on Culliver, but Torrey Smith should have been flagged for an OPI as well.  If I was a 9ers fan, I'd be more pissed at how flat the team came out for the first half.  Particularly, how do you fark up the FIRST play from scrimmage?

/Not to mention Boldin has mastered the "stiff-arm the CB before a brilliant catch" play
 
2013-02-04 11:37:02 AM

dickfreckle: Next time you're at the Sheraton, walk up St. Charles and take a right at Poydras. You'll be there in about 15 minutes.


You give people way too much credit for actually familiarizing themselves with their surroundings before getting plastered in a strange city.  Not that I don't check my six constantly in NO (I'm kind of paranoid in general), but I also learned about the city before I ever visited it, and when in doubt just latch onto another group if I'm going through a seedy area solo.

NO is a blast, a dirty blast, but a blast nonetheless.
 
2013-02-04 11:37:22 AM

Droog8912: If I was a 9ers fan


The way you're crying about one side and you're upset that a holding call wouldn't be enough against the Ravens, are you sure you're not?

I guess most 49ers fans aren't that bad...
 
2013-02-04 11:41:10 AM

IAmRight: Droog8912: If I was a 9ers fan

The way you're crying about one side and you're upset that a holding call wouldn't be enough against the Ravens, are you sure you're not?

I guess most 49ers fans aren't that bad...


I'm not sure how many times I've pointed out that: a) the officials sucked at calling flags against both teams, b) the 9ers committed more than their fair share of unflagged penalties, but now you can add 1 to each of those totals, presuming you can count that high.
 
2013-02-04 11:45:24 AM

Droog8912: I'm not sure how many times I've pointed out that: a) the officials sucked at calling flags against both teams, b) the 9ers committed more than their fair share of unflagged penalties, but now you can add 1 to each of those totals, presuming you can count that high.


Yeah, you're throwing that phrase in there, then listing every way in which they ignored a Baltimore "penalty," while explaining that the ones "blown" that benefitted the 49ers weren't as important or they weren't a big deal because of some other reason.
 
2013-02-04 11:45:44 AM
Definitely a strange game.  Kaep looked overwhelmed in the first (i though SFO had a bad game plan) then the amazing comeback.  i thought the conversion was too risky. obviously 20/20 hindsight they'd undo that, but even at the time i thought it was too risky.

didn't really watch the game, though.  i was kinda half assedly watching it, cooking and then watching the kids play and running back in the house.  like my wife had to call me in about the outage.  she's like, "holy crap, you gotta see this!"  i thought she meant some crazy play and instead it was the outage.  i did watch the end but once the 49ers couldn't convert, i turned it off. i didn't see that nutty punt-run-out-the-clock play until today.

beyonce was cool though.  not my style of music but that was pretty juice.
 
2013-02-04 11:45:57 AM

unyon: So that's what it takes to get America to pay attention to New Orleans America's crumbling infrastructure.

 
2013-02-04 11:46:25 AM

Droog8912: On another note, there is no way in hell the Raven should pay Flacco like a top 5 QB. Heaving it up as high and hard as you can for Torrey Smith and Boldin to make a play on is not deserving of top-5 QB money. Non-exclusive franchise tag him: let someone else overpay and take their two 1st round picks.


That might be the stupidest thing I have read today.  Flacco is a really accurate deep ball thrower in a league that is more and more pass centric. Are there 5 QBs who should be making more than him? Brady, Rogers, Brees, Eli... and then you are struggling Rothelisburger looks like he is falling apart, Peyton is good but on his way out.  Matt Ryan is probably next and he is about on par with Flacco but Joe has came through in the big games.

Every other relevant QB is on the new rookie scale contract except Stafford and I think I would rather have Flacco.  You don't want to pay a player that can't win so when you find one that can you better pay him because someone will.  He has taken the Ravens to the playoffs every season and is 9-4 in post season games.  All about winning.
 
2013-02-04 11:49:44 AM

Faddy: That might be the stupidest thing I have read today. Flacco is a really accurate deep ball thrower in a league that is more and more pass centric. Are there 5 QBs who should be making more than him? Brady, Rogers, Brees, Eli... and then you are struggling Rothelisburger looks like he is falling apart, Peyton is good but on his way out. Matt Ryan is probably next and he is about on par with Flacco but Joe has came through in the big games.



broadly agree....Flacco seems to have made the [proverbial "jump" over the past 2 years.  he does have a pretty talented set of weapons around him, which obviously makes him look better but he still delivers the ball and doesn't make many mistakes (whereas Eli still does, and of course Romo too).

but i'm not buying the Matt Ryan narrative.  he's not bad but i don't think he is where he should be at this point.
 
2013-02-04 11:53:44 AM

Droog8912: whizbangthedirtfarmer: if 49er fans cry about this "holding" call (never mind that there were numerous missed PI penalties on the 49ers, as well as a few unnecessary roughness calls missed)

To be fair, blown calls at the end are always worse than blown calls early in a game.  Early on, there is time to overcome/rectify mistakes.  Not so much in the last drive.  Yes, there were tons of blown PI calls on Culliver, but Torrey Smith should have been flagged for an OPI as well.  If I was a 9ers fan, I'd be more pissed at how flat the team came out for the first half.  Particularly, how do you fark up the FIRST play from scrimmage?

/Not to mention Boldin has mastered the "stiff-arm the CB before a brilliant catch" play


1) if the WR initiates the contact, the ref won't call it unless it goes too far down the field.
2) the ball was uncatchable anyway.  What people aren't mentioned is that it was a high loop that landed just inside the outer edge of the out-of-bounds paint.  To catch it would have required Randy Moss and a jet pack.
 
2013-02-04 11:56:04 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: To catch it would have required Randy Moss and a jet pack.


Assuming Randy Moss was actually trying, which was not the case at all yesterday.
 
2013-02-04 11:57:49 AM
"And by the way, Beyonce blew the electric in the Superdome twice, I'm told, during her rehearsals during the week." Boomer Esiason.
 
2013-02-04 11:58:02 AM

Igor Jakovsky: Its not particularly close to Canal. I made that walk once after a sugar bowl after I got separated from my group. Its not a nice neighborhood to walk through either. I tried to stay near other groups walking back so as not to be the lone drunk guy trying to make it back to the sheraton. I thoroughly enjoy Nawlins though and would like to get back again sometime.


You don't have to walk anymore.  The main infrastructure improvement they made for the Superbowl is an extension of the streetcar line from Canal all the way to the Amtrak Station out by Earhart and I-10, with stops right at the door of the Hyatt and Benson Tower.  Plus they've improved that entire stretch to make it a little more tourist friendly.

It was pretty surreal coming in to work this morning, hungover as hell, and doing a doubletake as the streetcar rolled by on Loyola.  It's going to take me a while to get used to that.
 
2013-02-04 11:58:31 AM

IAmRight: Droog8912: Speaking as someone who didn't care who won, the officials sucked out loud.  During the first scrum, a Raven threw a punch.  During the second scrum, Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone and I'm pretty sure a 9er tossed a punch or two.

Yeah, I was sure Williams was going to get ejected at that point. But in fairness, he did get his head shoved into the ground at least five times right in front of the ref, who did nothing.

I realize that no one wants to be the ref making personal foul calls a few minutes into the Super Bowl...but damn, man, they just let anything go, which resulted in that giant fight.


I was stunned to see a player - in any sport - turn and straight out shove a referee and not just not get summarily and instantly ejected but there wasn't any call at all, not even a personal foul.
 
2013-02-04 12:00:27 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Droog8912: whizbangthedirtfarmer: if 49er fans cry about this "holding" call (never mind that there were numerous missed PI penalties on the 49ers, as well as a few unnecessary roughness calls missed)

To be fair, blown calls at the end are always worse than blown calls early in a game.  Early on, there is time to overcome/rectify mistakes.  Not so much in the last drive.  Yes, there were tons of blown PI calls on Culliver, but Torrey Smith should have been flagged for an OPI as well.  If I was a 9ers fan, I'd be more pissed at how flat the team came out for the first half.  Particularly, how do you fark up the FIRST play from scrimmage?

/Not to mention Boldin has mastered the "stiff-arm the CB before a brilliant catch" play

1) if the WR initiates the contact, the ref won't call it unless it goes too far down the field.
2) the ball was uncatchable anyway.  What people aren't mentioned is that it was a high loop that landed just inside the outer edge of the out-of-bounds paint.  To catch it would have required Randy Moss and a jet pack.


I thought defensive holding didn't require the ball to be catchable?
 
2013-02-04 12:04:41 PM

BigSnatch: I thought defensive holding didn't require the ball to be catchable?


defensive holding (as opposed to defensive PI) can be called if, while beyond the 5 yard zone, the WR, RB, or TE (but not a tackle-eligible receiver) is contacted but only after the ball is thrown and if that player is targeted while making a football move.  if he is contacted before the ball is thrown in the 5yd zone, by rule, there is no penalty, as he has not been targeted.  however, if he is contacted and makes a move outside the 5yd zone defensive hold can be called but only if the ball is catchable (unless it is tipped then there is no PI, by rule).
 
2013-02-04 12:05:26 PM

IAmRight: Droog8912: I'm not sure how many times I've pointed out that: a) the officials sucked at calling flags against both teams, b) the 9ers committed more than their fair share of unflagged penalties, but now you can add 1 to each of those totals, presuming you can count that high.

Yeah, you're throwing that phrase in there, then listing every way in which they ignored a Baltimore "penalty," while explaining that the ones "blown" that benefitted the 49ers weren't as important or they weren't a big deal because of some other reason.


Umm...a 9er throwing punches in the 2nd scrum (didn't see the name, think it was #74) also equals ejection.  Late hit on Flacco out of bounds = personal foul = not punting.  Culliver being all over the defenders like he was 'doing the gay dudes' (when he wasn't burnt) should have been first downs all day.  Pretty sure none of those are unimportant.

Faddy: That might be the stupidest thing I have read today. Flacco is a really accurate deep ball thrower in a league that is more and more pass centric. Are there 5 QBs who should be making more than him? Brady, Rogers, Brees, Eli... and then you are struggling Rothelisburger looks like he is falling apart, Peyton is good but on his way out. Matt Ryan is probably next and he is about on par with Flacco but Joe has came through in the big games.


Flacco is a top 10 QB that wants to be paid like Brady, Rogers, and Brees.  What GM in his right mind is going to give up 2 1sts and 20m/yr for him?  No reason to give him the exclusive franchise tag.  Any team needing a QB that bad probably needs the 1st round picks more, and isn't in a shape to compete for the Superbowl soon anyway.  PFT lists these teams as teams who could sign him if non-exclusive: Bills, Jets, Browns, Jaguars, Titans, Chiefs, Raiders, Eagles, Vikings, Buccaneers, and Cardinals.  Bills stink on ice, the Jets/Raiders have no salary room, the Browns/Jags/Chiefs stink and have really high draft picks, the Titans and Vikings are still workings things out with 1st round QBs as it is.  So that leaves the Eagles, Bucs, and Cards.  The Eagles have a new regime who won't go all on on Flacco and I think the Bucs/Cards owners are too cheap (complete skinflints) to sign him to that much money, and they could always match the contract if they like him that much.  I don't think he is untalented; he just wants too much money.
 
2013-02-04 12:07:48 PM

Droog8912: Not to mention Boldin has mastered the "stiff-arm the CB before a brilliant catch" play


Were we watching the same game? The only pass Boldin didn't catch was the only one he didn't jump ~16 feet for (and it his him in the hands. Go figger). Not that the two are mutually exclusive, but you're saying the process is "shove-jump-catch" when Boldin likely has at least 2" and 20# on the DB?

IAmRight: Yeah, you're throwing that phrase in there, then listing every way in which they ignored a Baltimore "penalty," while explaining that the ones "blown" that benefitted the 49ers weren't as important or they weren't a big deal because of some other reason.


Like, oh - Torrey Smith getting mugged every time he went 15+ yards downfield?
 
2013-02-04 12:08:32 PM

Droog8912: IAmRight: Droog8912: I'm not sure how many times I've pointed out that: a) the officials sucked at calling flags against both teams, b) the 9ers committed more than their fair share of unflagged penalties, but now you can add 1 to each of those totals, presuming you can count that high.

Yeah, you're throwing that phrase in there, then listing every way in which they ignored a Baltimore "penalty," while explaining that the ones "blown" that benefitted the 49ers weren't as important or they weren't a big deal because of some other reason.

Umm...a 9er throwing punches in the 2nd scrum (didn't see the name, think it was #74) also equals ejection.  Late hit on Flacco out of bounds = personal foul = not punting.  Culliver being all over the defenders like he was 'doing the gay dudes' (when he wasn't burnt) should have been first downs all day.  Pretty sure none of those are unimportant.


Wait wait wait... there was an incomplete pass thrown Culliver's way, other than the one that got flagged for PI?  You sure?
 
2013-02-04 12:10:01 PM

factoryconnection: NO is a blast, a dirty blast, but a blast nonetheless.


As mentioned in my profile, it's mostly visitors who make the downtown area dirty. There are plenty of neighborhoods that are no dirtier than Tulsa or Portland or wherever these people come from. Our visitors basically treat the city like a whore - she does all the things you're wife won't. They end up pissing on our homes and throwing their trash on the ground. Some locals litter as well, but it's nothing compared to what happens when five drunk kids from UCLA decide to terrorize the French Quarter.

Next time you're in town, try staying in the Garden District or elsewhere uptown. Way cleaner and about 90% locals. Better music and food, too.
 
2013-02-04 12:12:37 PM

Dr Dreidel: Droog8912: Not to mention Boldin has mastered the "stiff-arm the CB before a brilliant catch" play

Were we watching the same game? The only pass Boldin didn't catch was the only one he didn't jump ~16 feet for (and it his him in the hands. Go figger). Not that the two are mutually exclusive, but you're saying the process is "shove-jump-catch" when Boldin likely has at least 2" and 20# on the DB?


He only did it once this game from what I saw, but Boldin is excellent at shoving off.  Most of the great receivers are good at getting away with it.  I like Boldin a lot, too.  Probably the ballsiest receiver in the league; I still get shivers thinking about how he broke his jaw.
 
2013-02-04 12:16:59 PM

BigSnatch: the ball was uncatchable

rickythepenguin:  defensive hold can be called but only if the ball is catchable

That's what I don't get about this controversy. That ball was definitely uncatchable.

I can't remember that last time that I saw the refs wave off a penalty due to the ball being uncatchable; but when I watched football in my younger days, it seemed to come up a lot. Did the rules change significantly on that at some point?
 
2013-02-04 12:17:04 PM

dickfreckle: pute kisses like a man: SlothB77: One of the primary reasons the NFL chose New Orleans to host the Super Bowl was sympathy for Hurricane Katrina.  In the aftermath of the hurricane, the NFL saw this as an opportunity to get some good PR and help assist the city get back on its feet by hosting the game.  Considerations, like if the Superdome could avoid a power outage, were ignored and this is the result we get.  Much better alternative sites could have been chosen.  The NFL made the decision to pick New Orleans for PR reasons and the result was an embarrassment.

0/10

He's an idiot. As noted in an above post, New Orleans is a perfect town for the SB. Perhaps Katrina helped in that it inspired a major renovation to the 'Dome, but there are a million other reasons the NFL loves NOLA.

This outage could have happened in any other city. That it what was here is somewhat embarrassing, but we're still a premiere sports town. Final Fours, SBs, BCS, etc. We do it all, and typically in stride.


that's why i figured he was trolling.  new orleans is currently tied with miami for hosting the most super bowls, and the superdome has hosted it more times than any other stadium.
 
2013-02-04 12:17:41 PM

Droog8912: I still get shivers thinking about how he broke his jaw.


and recovered without painkillers.

the local paper added a wrinkle I'd never heard to his exit from Arizona;  it is undisputed that he felt the Cards lied to him re an extension.  his version was that the team reneged on its promise to extend, the team -- before what i read sunday -- claimed they never promised a new deal.  either way, the proverbial marriage was irretrievably borken.

but, the paper said the Cardinals made an offer but Drew Rosenhaus supposedly never presented it to Boldin.  i had never heard that before.  and what may support the story, is that Boldin later fired Rosenhaus.

i wasn't really rooting for anybody yesterday.  i wasn't even really watching the game, for that matter, but the one thing that had me kinda hoping for BALT was boldin.  He's a good guy, a hard worker, and you like seeing good people succeed.  Just a shame it couldn't work here.  but good for him.
 
2013-02-04 12:21:08 PM
My only problem with the no-call at the end was the fact that they called a PI penalty on the 49ers on the Ravens previous drive that was much less flagrant.

They had been letting contact and PI go all night until that very key call against the 49ers continued a long Baltimore drive.
 
2013-02-04 12:22:26 PM

Eegah: That's what I don't get about this controversy. That ball was definitely uncatchable.


No way.  The ball was very catchable.  The only reason it wasn't catchable was because the receiver was being mugged.. he still got pretty close to it.
 
2013-02-04 12:23:32 PM

Dafatone: Wait wait wait... there was an incomplete pass thrown Culliver's way, other than the one that got flagged for PI?  You sure?


(snert) I'd honestly like to see a the tape for a breakdown of passes thrown his way and count the catches, drops, and flagged/unflagged penalties.  He looked completely lost on the field.
 
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