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(Slate)   There have been better Super Bowls, they have been closer Super Bowls, there have been more exciting Super Bowls, but last night's game will go down in the history books as the weirdest Super Bowl of all   (slate.com) divider line 204
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2013-02-04 07:36:37 AM
I posted the exact same thing on facebook after it ended, although I used the word strangest rather than weirdest.
 
2013-02-04 08:51:56 AM
So that's what it takes to get America to pay attention to New Orleans' crumbling infrastructure.
 
2013-02-04 08:51:56 AM
One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)
 
2013-02-04 09:59:13 AM
i'm telling ya - someone laid a voodoo whammy on the superbowl last night.
 
2013-02-04 10:09:25 AM
The lights out bowl !

if it wasnt for the lights the game was going to be 60-6 in a very quick and short fashion.
 
2013-02-04 10:10:50 AM
Jet dryer Daytona vs Lights out Superbowl
 
2013-02-04 10:11:15 AM
While Ray Lewis maintains he didn't kill the lights, he did admit he was there when it happened.
 
2013-02-04 10:12:05 AM

EnviroDude: One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)


As long as Jim ends up getting punched in the face every year, that's fine.  God, what a baby.
 
2013-02-04 10:12:17 AM

EnviroDude: One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)


Punches will be thrown.

At some point, John is going to start to feel like he's not being allowed to celebrate his accomplishment because everybody is walking on egg shells about the game around Jim. It will happen during an alcohol-fueled debate about the game that will start out as a joke.
 
2013-02-04 10:13:02 AM
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I was waiting for this to happen.
 
2013-02-04 10:16:08 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com

The real mastermind behind the lights.
 
2013-02-04 10:17:43 AM

CipollinaFan: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 600x399]

The real mastermind behind the lights.


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2013-02-04 10:18:05 AM

unyon: So that's what it takes to get America to pay attention to New Orleans' crumbling infrastructure.


You think this shiat is limited to New Orleans?  I didn't quit industry in disgust at the commoditization of our infrastructure because it was limited to one city.  The stuff I've seen would keep you up at night.  There's medical equipment being put together with parts I wouldn't trust to go into a plastic toy.

For years I had to listen to manufacturers say -- and quite honestly, mind you -- that they couldn't afford to pay for reliability without going out of business.  Americans just couldn't give a shiat about reliability when it's time to pay for it.  Well, here's your third-world infrastructure, America.  Enjoy it.

/ Biggest, most public event of the year and the richest nation in history can't keep the damn lights on
 
2013-02-04 10:18:46 AM
There was a good number of non-call block in the back that happened as well. Some fair trade holding on both sides. Crabtree pushed off the dude's face while doing a little push and shove of his own. The greatest disappointment was Ray Lewis not showing up in Bane gear during the blackout. 

Blackouts do happen to various stadiums for various reasons. Don't hold it against the Superdome, it has had a sterling record thus far. Better to have the big game in a dome with a city built for it than say...New York. Ever.
 
2013-02-04 10:19:20 AM

unyon: So that's what it takes to get America to pay attention to New Orleans' crumbling infrastructure.


I submitted a link a little while ago with an in-depth analysis of the blackout.  below is a picture of the cause:

www.afterelton.com
 
2013-02-04 10:24:24 AM
Sean Payton's dad is an electrician. Just sayin'.
 
2013-02-04 10:25:43 AM

Yanks_RSJ: EnviroDude: One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)

As long as Jim ends up getting punched in the face every year, that's fine.  God, what a baby.


Yes. 4th down was the problem. Not the 3 other tries to go 5 yards that came up empty - because the refs failed to drop a yellow hanky on that one play, all was ruined. The 49ers had no other chances to move the ball and score other than with ~5 mins to go in the game.

BTW, Lee Evans wants you to know he caught that ball last year, and Tom Brady says the ball Tyree "caught" moved when it hit turf. Also, UF thinks they won a National Championship against THE State of Ohio's University due to uncalled PI. Maybe Kaepernick should hold the ball when he gets sacked, and not throw it to Ed Reed on the next play.

// can't be fun to lose, and I hope Jim has more class than to cry about it for a year
 
2013-02-04 10:27:27 AM

Nabb1: Sean Payton's dad is an electrician. Just sayin'.


Oh...so this was actually Sean Payton's last giant middle finger to Roger Goodell? Cool - I can appreciate that.
 
2013-02-04 10:28:39 AM

Dr Dreidel: Yes. 4th down was the problem. Not the 3 other tries to go 5 yards that came up empty - because the refs failed to drop a yellow hanky on that one play, all was ruined.


There really wasn't any reason to throw a flag on that play. It would've been far more criminal to give the Niners a free set of downs at that point. (agreeing with you)

Dr Dreidel: Also, UF thinks they won a National Championship against THE State of Ohio's University due to uncalled PI.


UF did win their national championship game. Miami is the team that lost to tOSU.

Dr Dreidel: Maybe Kaepernick should hold the ball when he gets sacked, and not throw it to Ed Reed on the next play.


Kaepernick's INT came the play after the LaMichael James fumble, if the graphic "2 turnovers in last two offensive plays" is to be believed.
 
2013-02-04 10:30:08 AM

Dr Dreidel: Yes. 4th down was the problem. Not the 3 other tries to go 5 yards that came up empty - because the refs failed to drop a yellow hanky on that one play, all was ruined. The 49ers had no other chances to move the ball and score other than with ~5 mins to go in the game.


They got the break of a lifetime when the lights went off for 35 minutes, because they were on their way to being blown out.  After the initial jam on that 4th down play, Crabtree and the corner were jousting each other - that's a no call there.  And I say that as someone with no rooting interest or money wagered on the game.

And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety, when in reality every member of the Ravens SHOULD have been holding, because there is literally nothing to lose by committing penalties on a play intended to result in a safety.
 
2013-02-04 10:31:17 AM
Too lazy to use photoshop I picture it like this,

Sanfransico coach,

Mom  He wont give me the ball

Pic of mom  Flicking a lightswitch and lights go out in the stadium
Give your brother a chance to play,

pic of end score

pic of Baltimore coach  I still kicked your ass
 
2013-02-04 10:35:06 AM
Is Beyonce a scandal yet?
 
2013-02-04 10:35:50 AM

EnviroDude: One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)


Honestly, I thought that the helmet-to-helmet on the receiver the prior play was way more egregious.  I'm no 49ers fan, but the refs absolutely inserted themselves into the game at the end instead of letting the players on the field settle it.
 
2013-02-04 10:36:42 AM
Still no really crazy conspiracy theories about the blackout, other than SF somehow being beneficiaries?  Could it have been terrorists, aliens, or the joos?
 
2013-02-04 10:36:54 AM
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2013-02-04 10:37:34 AM
Closer is kind of arbitrary. First and goal for the win is as close as it gets. Well maybe the Rams victory - tackle the guy at the one on the last play, even though the margin was 7.
 
2013-02-04 10:38:39 AM

Ebenator: [img.photobucket.com image 506x281]


How long until Kluwe jerseys become the top selling kicker jerseys? Which kicker has the top selling jersey now?
 
2013-02-04 10:38:43 AM

Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety, when in reality every member of the Ravens SHOULD have been holding, because there is literally nothing to lose by committing penalties on a play intended to result in a safety.


Actually, now that you mention this -- why aren't the linemen all just flat-out tackling guys?
 
2013-02-04 10:41:23 AM

EyeballKid: Ebenator: [img.photobucket.com image 506x281]

How long until Kluwe jerseys become the top selling kicker jerseys? Which kicker has the top selling jersey now?


I'm pretty sure Chris Kluwe is the funniest person in the NFL.
 
2013-02-04 10:43:05 AM

IAmRight: Dr Dreidel: Also, UF thinks they won a National Championship against THE State of Ohio's University due to uncalled PI.

UF did win their national championship game. Miami is the team that lost to tOSU.


Miami, duh. This is why I can't do things from memory.

Dr Dreidel: Maybe Kaepernick should hold the ball when he gets sacked, and not throw it to Ed Reed on the next play.

Kaepernick's INT came the play after the LaMichael James fumble, if the graphic "2 turnovers in last two offensive plays" is to be believed.


I may have been "playing the home game" while watching last night. I think I confused James' fumble with the one Kaep fumbled OOB on the last drive or two.

// really awesome that Ed Reed got the INT
 
2013-02-04 10:44:00 AM

EyeballKid: How long until Kluwe jerseys become the top selling kicker jerseys?


Hell, his jersey should be on its way to being a top seller among all positions. I'm sure there's a market for "educated non-football fans who really like snark" that his personality caters perfectly towards.
 
2013-02-04 10:44:03 AM

Nabb1: Sean Payton's dad is an electrician. Just sayin'.


So what he offered his dad $10,000 to knock the lights out?
 
2013-02-04 10:45:53 AM
I just don't get how all these fans are so extreme in their vitriolic attacks after having won the Super Bowl. They flock the message boards, and they forget there was another team playing out there, just spouting off nonsense from their 'What about me?' perspective, standing and preening for attention like a flamingo. They totally ignore the fact that, all in all, the game had an even flow to it, and if you can't call what you saw last night great football, if you really think the refs were calling the game by the Ravens rules, you're probably better off watching polo.


...never more...
 
2013-02-04 10:47:48 AM

meanmutton: Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety, when in reality every member of the Ravens SHOULD have been holding, because there is literally nothing to lose by committing penalties on a play intended to result in a safety.

Actually, now that you mention this -- why aren't the linemen all just flat-out tackling guys?


If you can find a replay from the opposite end zone angle (saw one this morning but can't find one now) you'll notice that that's pretty much what they're doing.  Really smart play by John, and on a personal note it was nice to be the one in the room to recommend it beforehand.
 
2013-02-04 10:48:39 AM
One of the primary reasons the NFL chose New Orleans to host the Super Bowl was sympathy for Hurricane Katrina.  In the aftermath of the hurricane, the NFL saw this as an opportunity to get some good PR and help assist the city get back on its feet by hosting the game.  Considerations, like if the Superdome could avoid a power outage, were ignored and this is the result we get.  Much better alternative sites could have been chosen.  The NFL made the decision to pick New Orleans for PR reasons and the result was an embarrassment.
 
2013-02-04 10:49:16 AM

meanmutton: Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety, when in reality every member of the Ravens SHOULD have been holding, because there is literally nothing to lose by committing penalties on a play intended to result in a safety.

Actually, now that you mention this -- why aren't the linemen all just flat-out tackling guys?


One of them flat out form tackled a dude in the end zone.

Only difference it makes - flag should have been thrown two seconds earlier for a safety adding two seconds to the clock.
 
2013-02-04 10:50:35 AM

Ebenator: [img.photobucket.com image 506x281]



After three short Ravens runs, John Harbaugh ordered his punter Sam Koch to take an intentional safety, sacrificing two points in exchange for running time off the dwindling clock.

Did you see that jackass Chris Culliver get all excited after pushing Koch out of bounds.  Got all up in his grill.

He was acting like he was 4 seconds away from winning the Superb Owl instead of losing.

Chris Culliver is a jackass.
 
2013-02-04 10:51:37 AM

Pronoun: Better to have the big game in a dome with a city built for it than say...New York. Ever.


Reasons the Superb Owl should be in New Orleans every year:

The building itself is a mere stumbling distance from 14 gajillion hotel rooms and restaurants. No need to worry about designating a driver.

While you can rightly criticize the NOPD, one thing they get right is crowd control. Are we corrupt? Sure. But there's nothing that compares to NOLA cops when it comes to supervising thousands of drunk and half-naked people.

Oh, and it's New Orleans. No one here gives a damn about anything. It's the South, technically, and very Catholic, but this is the place you go to when it's time for hookers and blow. Vegas may market itself as sin city, but they have nothing on us.

Finally, NOLA is rather small. You really can't get lost unless you're an idiot. Everyone - even the criminals - is friendly. Our sandwiches and seafood are better than yours. Old and portly black women call you "sugah" and "sweetheart" on the streetcars. I could go on about why the SB should be here every year, but it's a long list.

To those who came this year, we thank you for your patronage.
 
2013-02-04 10:51:44 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Really smart play by John, and on a personal note it was nice to be the one in the room to recommend it beforehand.


I liked that the announcer brought it up, then Simms said he wouldn't do it. If there was any doubt, that cinched that it was a great decision.
 
2013-02-04 10:53:35 AM

Dr Dreidel: BTW, Lee Evans wants you to know he caught that ball last year, and Tom Brady says the ball Tyree "caught" moved when it hit turf. Also, UF thinks they won a National Championship against THE State of Ohio's University due to uncalled PI. Maybe Kaepernick should hold the ball when he gets sacked, and not throw it to Ed Reed on the next play.

// can't be fun to lose, and I hope Jim has more class than to cry about it for a year


I always thought it was Miami and not UF that lost that game - someone should let Frank Gore know so he can forget about his knee being blown up
 
2013-02-04 10:54:31 AM

Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety


Harbaugh's point wasn't that holding would have changed the result; he even said that's what the players should have been doing and were coached to do. But the refs are supposed to call penalties even when they would obviously be declined, or would reach the same result as the play on the field. For example, I've certainly seen instances where illegal contact or pass interference get called even when the receiver catches the ball anyway. That being the case, what he said was a comment on what he perceived to be the refs' inconsistency, arbitrariness, lack of attention - whatever you want to call it.
 
2013-02-04 10:55:59 AM

SlothB77: One of the primary reasons the NFL chose New Orleans to host the Super Bowl was sympathy for Hurricane Katrina.  In the aftermath of the hurricane, the NFL saw this as an opportunity to get some good PR and help assist the city get back on its feet by hosting the game.  Considerations, like if the Superdome could avoid a power outage, were ignored and this is the result we get.  Much better alternative sites could have been chosen.  The NFL made the decision to pick New Orleans for PR reasons and the result was an embarrassment.


0/10
 
2013-02-04 10:56:00 AM
The 1989 World Series laughs at your little power outage.
 
2013-02-04 10:57:35 AM

SlothB77: One of the primary reasons the NFL chose New Orleans to host the Super Bowl was sympathy for Hurricane Katrina.  In the aftermath of the hurricane, the NFL saw this as an opportunity to get some good PR and help assist the city get back on its feet by hosting the game.  Considerations, like if the Superdome could avoid a power outage, were ignored and this is the result we get.  Much better alternative sites could have been chosen.  The NFL made the decision to pick New Orleans for PR reasons and the result was an embarrassment.


Oh, and because they've had several very successful Super Bowls there. But don't let that get in the way of your point.
 
2013-02-04 11:00:00 AM

Pronoun: Blackouts do happen to various stadiums for various reasons. Don't hold it against the Superdome, it has had a sterling record thus far. Better to have the big game in a dome with a city built for it than say...New York. Ever.


I was at the Giants blackout game vs Dallas, it could happen again...
 
2013-02-04 11:00:08 AM

Tigger: Only difference it makes - flag should have been thrown two seconds earlier for a safety adding two seconds to the clock.


A penalty doesn't stop the clock on holding in the end zone.  The play would have ended the same way.
 
2013-02-04 11:01:01 AM

Tigger: meanmutton: Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety, when in reality every member of the Ravens SHOULD have been holding, because there is literally nothing to lose by committing penalties on a play intended to result in a safety.

Actually, now that you mention this -- why aren't the linemen all just flat-out tackling guys?

One of them flat out form tackled a dude in the end zone.

Only difference it makes - flag should have been thrown two seconds earlier for a safety adding two seconds to the clock.


Holding doesn't stop the play, though.
 
2013-02-04 11:01:01 AM

Tigger: Only difference it makes - flag should have been thrown two seconds earlier for a safety adding two seconds to the clock.


No it wouldn't, because it's not a dead ball penalty.  The play would still have continued to its conclusion, and the time would not be put back on the clock.
 
2013-02-04 11:01:37 AM
Flacco said it "F*cking Awesome."

I heard him.
 
2013-02-04 11:01:45 AM

NewWorldDan: The 1989 World Series laughs at your little power outage.


AKA the last time a San Francisco squad was down big in a championship. Poor losers.
 
2013-02-04 11:03:45 AM

kronicfeld: Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety

Harbaugh's point wasn't that holding would have changed the result; he even said that's what the players should have been doing and were coached to do. But the refs are supposed to call penalties even when they would obviously be declined, or would reach the same result as the play on the field. For example, I've certainly seen instances where illegal contact or pass interference get called even when the receiver catches the ball anyway. That being the case, what he said was a comment on what he perceived to be the refs' inconsistency, arbitrariness, lack of attention - whatever you want to call it.


I'm choosing to see it as Jim Harbaugh being a huge baby, which he is.  I love his sideline temper tantrums, especially when replays confirm that his complaints are entirely unfounded and just dead wrong.
 
2013-02-04 11:05:04 AM

Yanks_RSJ: I love his sideline temper tantrums


I enjoy them more since the bad lip reading video...but now when I see him get angry, I think, "man, I kinda want cake too."
 
2013-02-04 11:06:15 AM

Tigger: meanmutton: Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety, when in reality every member of the Ravens SHOULD have been holding, because there is literally nothing to lose by committing penalties on a play intended to result in a safety.

Actually, now that you mention this -- why aren't the linemen all just flat-out tackling guys?

One of them flat out form tackled a dude in the end zone.

Only difference it makes - flag should have been thrown two seconds earlier for a safety adding two seconds to the clock.


Does holding in the endzone stop the play?

That doesn't seem right.

What if the qb/punter tried to throw a pass that was intercepted and returned for a touchdown?
 
2013-02-04 11:07:17 AM
When the power came back on, it was clear that San Francisco had done a better job of embracing the process of standing around doing nothing for a half hour.

That one cracked my shiat up.

With CBS' Jim Nantz and Phil Simms deprived of electricity, a confused nation got to see the sportscasting version ofSpace Camp...

I noticed this at other times, as well. Someone in the control booth apparently had Parkinson's, and kept switching to cameras that weren't in position yet, were just pointing at nothing, or were pointing at activity that had no context added. Every time this happened, it would go silent, or you would heard something that sounded like "Urg...", then it would go silent. Normally these guys can talk over this shiat like it isn't happening.

... as CBS' cameras showed the Ravens coach screaming expletives at a gentleman in a suit that nobody bothered to identify.

Really? The author can't figure it out? Harbaugh recognized that the man in stuit is responsible for not only the US power grid, but the more localized N.O. one as well. Additionally, the man installed all of the lights in the stadium, manufactured all of the associated components, paid the bills and di the building inspections. My wife even noticed the big toolbelt the guy in the suit was wearing. Seriously though, Harbaugh can be angry, but who WAS that guy to get ALL of Harbaugh's wrath? I'm guessing this jack-of-all trades is probably the single NFL official who decided that it's just not cricket to play football with only half of your lights. Harbaugh is a prick, it's no wonder that he coaches the farking Dirty Birds.

...another incomplete pass to Crabtree in which the receiver's head was nearly separated from his torso.

Yeah, does anyone know if helmet to helmet is going to be the next pass interference? Currently, it's almost impossible to figure out what IS and what isn't PI. A defender can come out of a play wearing the receiver's cock ring and it's not called. Other times, I've seen it called where nobody touched anybody at any point in the play. Helmet to helmet is like that, two people brush helmets and it's a freaking suspension, fine ejection and a 15 yard penalty, other times, this happens, where the defender lowers his head, hits the reciever u underneath the china and rocks his head back, and it's "legal"...


As for the actual game? San Francisco's QB was amazing, I haven't really watched the guy before. Sure Simms went overboard slobbering his knob, but the dude has some serious talent. Otherwise, it was a pretty exciting 3rd quarter. The rest of the game, though weird, was pretty much a poorly executed snooze-fest. The commercials weren't even good, and the halftime show was as boring as the first half. The only cool thing about the halftime show, in my mind, is the sheer enormity of the production. I've gone to concerts that needed a day or two to set up 1/2 the stage that these people set up in roughly 10 minutes. That's pretty awesome.
 
2013-02-04 11:08:22 AM

pute kisses like a man: SlothB77: One of the primary reasons the NFL chose New Orleans to host the Super Bowl was sympathy for Hurricane Katrina.  In the aftermath of the hurricane, the NFL saw this as an opportunity to get some good PR and help assist the city get back on its feet by hosting the game.  Considerations, like if the Superdome could avoid a power outage, were ignored and this is the result we get.  Much better alternative sites could have been chosen.  The NFL made the decision to pick New Orleans for PR reasons and the result was an embarrassment.

0/10


He's an idiot. As noted in an above post, New Orleans is a perfect town for the SB. Perhaps Katrina helped in that it inspired a major renovation to the 'Dome, but there are a million other reasons the NFL loves NOLA.

This outage could have happened in any other city. That it what was here is somewhat embarrassing, but we're still a premiere sports town. Final Fours, SBs, BCS, etc. We do it all, and typically in stride.
 
2013-02-04 11:09:18 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Tigger: Only difference it makes - flag should have been thrown two seconds earlier for a safety adding two seconds to the clock.

No it wouldn't, because it's not a dead ball penalty.  The play would still have continued to its conclusion, and the time would not be put back on the clock.


Correct - my error.
 
2013-02-04 11:10:16 AM

kronicfeld: Yanks_RSJ: And he proved what an idiot he is when he complained about the lack of holding calls on the final safety

Harbaugh's point wasn't that holding would have changed the result; he even said that's what the players should have been doing and were coached to do. But the refs are supposed to call penalties even when they would obviously be declined, or would reach the same result as the play on the field. For example, I've certainly seen instances where illegal contact or pass interference get called even when the receiver catches the ball anyway. That being the case, what he said was a comment on what he perceived to be the refs' inconsistency, arbitrariness, lack of attention - whatever you want to call it.


Speaking as someone who didn't care who won, the officials sucked out loud.  During the first scrum, a Raven threw a punch.  During the second scrum, Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone and I'm pretty sure a 9er tossed a punch or two.  Flacco was crushed when almost beyond the white stripe out of bounds.  Torry Smith committed one of the most obvious OPI I've ever seen on a deep pass, and Culliver was butt-humping every Raven receiver (when he wasn't being burned).  Then throw in the obvious illegal contact at the end of the game and the absurd holding on the safety and you get a great game that the officials did their best to fark up.

On another note, there is no way in hell the Raven should pay Flacco like a top 5 QB.  Heaving it up as high and hard as you can for Torrey Smith and Boldin to make a play on is not deserving of top-5 QB money.  Non-exclusive franchise tag him: let someone else overpay and take their two 1st round picks.

/tl;dr 49ers didn't get screwed, officials sucked completely
//Jim is a douche who should get punched, as previously stated
 
2013-02-04 11:14:54 AM

meanmutton: EnviroDude: One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)

Honestly, I thought that the helmet-to-helmet on the receiver the prior play was way more egregious.  I'm no 49ers fan, but the refs absolutely inserted themselves into the game at the end instead of letting the players on the field settle it.


Yep, and the on-air talent kept talking about how the refs shouldn't insert themselves into a "game like tis", which blew me away, since that's why the refs are there... The helmet to helmet stuff still confuses me, since shiat like that has no consistency.

As for the hold, Ravens fans keep trying to say that the receiver was pushing off, but they don't seem to notice that the Ravens guy had already grabbed the receiver's jersey and had been hanging off of it by that point.
 
2013-02-04 11:16:25 AM

Droog8912: Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone


Williams not being promptly ejected for that was when I figured the refs had been given the "don't do anything too controversial" memo by the league.
 
2013-02-04 11:16:32 AM
Its not particularly close to Canal. I made that walk once after a sugar bowl after I got separated from my group. Its not a nice neighborhood to walk through either. I tried to stay near other groups walking back so as not to be the lone drunk guy trying to make it back to the sheraton. I thoroughly enjoy Nawlins though and would like to get back again sometime.
 
2013-02-04 11:16:39 AM
Amazing game. Power outage was a major buzzkill, but i'm kind of glad it allowed SF to wake-up and make it a great game. Glad the officials made a "no call" on the Crabtree play at the end. Chris Carter even said it should have been a "no call" and Crabtree ran a crappy route.
 
2013-02-04 11:17:05 AM

unyon: So that's what it takes to get America to pay attention to New Orleans' crumbling infrastructure.


Look if you all can't keep your politicians from stealing the money intended for rebuilding after Katrina what the fark do you expect the rest of the country to do about it?

I figure it has been what seven or eight years now NOLA is about as good as it is going to get and you farkers should be taking care of your own problems.
 
2013-02-04 11:17:53 AM

Igor Jakovsky: Its not particularly close to Canal. I made that walk once after a sugar bowl after I got separated from my group. Its not a nice neighborhood to walk through either. I tried to stay near other groups walking back so as not to be the lone drunk guy trying to make it back to the sheraton. I thoroughly enjoy Nawlins though and would like to get back again sometime.


Whoops...this comment was supposed to be a reply to dickfreckle.
 
2013-02-04 11:18:17 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Tigger: Only difference it makes - flag should have been thrown two seconds earlier for a safety adding two seconds to the clock.

No it wouldn't, because it's not a dead ball penalty.  The play would still have continued to its conclusion, and the time would not be put back on the clock.


Correct; imo, it'd make more sense to call an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty (as a palpably unfair act) and charge them 15 yards on the safety-punt.  It was a pretty shiatty way to finish the game.

/Yes, I know they will never call a PUA unless an extra player charges onto the field, especially in the playoffs
 
2013-02-04 11:20:29 AM

Droog8912: Speaking as someone who didn't care who won, the officials sucked out loud.  During the first scrum, a Raven threw a punch.  During the second scrum, Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone and I'm pretty sure a 9er tossed a punch or two.


Yeah, I was sure Williams was going to get ejected at that point. But in fairness, he did get his head shoved into the ground at least five times right in front of the ref, who did nothing.

I realize that no one wants to be the ref making personal foul calls a few minutes into the Super Bowl...but damn, man, they just let anything go, which resulted in that giant fight.
 
2013-02-04 11:20:59 AM

Droog8912: Correct; imo, it'd make more sense to call an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty (as a palpably unfair act)


What is "palpably unfair" about it? It's a hold. There's already a rule covering it. The rule you cite is intended to give the refs a remedy if, say, Harbaugh runs off the sideline and tackles Jacoby Jones at the one yard line during his punt return.
 
2013-02-04 11:21:12 AM

Droog8912: Speaking as someone who didn't care who won, the officials sucked out loud.  During the first scrum, a Raven threw a punch.  During the second scrum, Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone and I'm pretty sure a 9er tossed a punch or two.


That's what happens when the NFL rigs the system to get a bad referee in charge of the Super Bowl.  That crew NEVER had control of the game at all.
 
2013-02-04 11:22:09 AM

IAmRight: Droog8912: Speaking as someone who didn't care who won, the officials sucked out loud.  During the first scrum, a Raven threw a punch.  During the second scrum, Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone and I'm pretty sure a 9er tossed a punch or two.

Yeah, I was sure Williams was going to get ejected at that point. But in fairness, he did get his head shoved into the ground at least five times right in front of the ref, who did nothing.

I realize that no one wants to be the ref making personal foul calls a few minutes into the Super Bowl...but damn, man, they just let anything go, which resulted in that giant fight.


Granted, I'm a huge Niners homer so to me I saw the Ravens being chippier than the Niners.  But you have to call one of those early scrums if you want to avoid a big scrum.
 
2013-02-04 11:23:49 AM

Igor Jakovsky: Igor Jakovsky: Its not particularly close to Canal. I made that walk once after a sugar bowl after I got separated from my group. Its not a nice neighborhood to walk through either. I tried to stay near other groups walking back so as not to be the lone drunk guy trying to make it back to the sheraton. I thoroughly enjoy Nawlins though and would like to get back again sometime.

Whoops...this comment was supposed to be a reply to dickfreckle.


If you were walking on Canal, no, it wasn't a pleasant walk. But the Dome is on Poydras, which is a safe walk. The whole reason Canal St. starts to suck is the Iberville housing project once out of the French Quarter.

Next time you're at the Sheraton, walk up St. Charles and take a right at Poydras. You'll be there in about 15 minutes.
 
2013-02-04 11:26:32 AM

kronicfeld: Droog8912: Correct; imo, it'd make more sense to call an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty (as a palpably unfair act)

What is "palpably unfair" about it? It's a hold. There's already a rule covering it. The rule you cite is intended to give the refs a remedy if, say, Harbaugh runs off the sideline and tackles Jacoby Jones at the one yard line during his punt return.


What is "palpably unfair" about the entire special teams squad committing excessive holding to the detriment of the game?  Someone was being held like he was choking and needed the Heimlich, ffs.
 
2013-02-04 11:26:52 AM

poisonedpawn78: The lights out bowl !

if it wasnt for the lights the game was going to be 60-6 in a very quick and short fashion.


If I was still a believer in conspiracy theories, I'd almost say that the NFL specifically cut the lights to spice
things up.
 
2013-02-04 11:28:44 AM

Dr Dreidel: Yanks_RSJ: EnviroDude: One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)

As long as Jim ends up getting punched in the face every year, that's fine.  God, what a baby.

Yes. 4th down was the problem. Not the 3 other tries to go 5 yards that came up empty - because the refs failed to drop a yellow hanky on that one play, all was ruined. The 49ers had no other chances to move the ball and score other than with ~5 mins to go in the game.

BTW, Lee Evans wants you to know he caught that ball last year, and Tom Brady says the ball Tyree "caught" moved when it hit turf. Also, UF thinks they won a National Championship against THE State of Ohio's University due to uncalled PI. Maybe Kaepernick should hold the ball when he gets sacked, and not throw it to Ed Reed on the next play.

// can't be fun to lose, and I hope Jim has more class than to cry about it for a year


For Jim Harbaugh, every game they lost has to do with bad officiating, and the games that were close were close because of bad officiating.  The way he throws tantrums on the sidelines are disgusting, and he should be penalized for it.  Harbaugh is very, very used to bending the rules and getting away with it; if 49er fans cry about this "holding" call (never mind that there were numerous missed PI penalties on the 49ers, as well as a few unnecessary roughness calls missed), then they waive all right to make fun of Seattle fans for Super Bowl XL (which did suffer from awful officiating for both sides).

Also, Dashon Goldson is a liability in coverage, and seems to be known only because he follows the usual process:

QB runs out of pocket.
QB slides after 15 yard gain.
Goldson decks him when he's down.
Goldson stands up, celebrates like he just sacked the QB.

There was nothing more delicious than Marshawn Lynch bowling over Goldson twice on one run in SF earlier this year.
 
2013-02-04 11:30:34 AM

p the boiler: someone should let Frank Gore Willis McGahee know so he can forget about his knee being blown up

 
2013-02-04 11:35:07 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: if 49er fans cry about this "holding" call (never mind that there were numerous missed PI penalties on the 49ers, as well as a few unnecessary roughness calls missed)


To be fair, blown calls at the end are always worse than blown calls early in a game.  Early on, there is time to overcome/rectify mistakes.  Not so much in the last drive.  Yes, there were tons of blown PI calls on Culliver, but Torrey Smith should have been flagged for an OPI as well.  If I was a 9ers fan, I'd be more pissed at how flat the team came out for the first half.  Particularly, how do you fark up the FIRST play from scrimmage?

/Not to mention Boldin has mastered the "stiff-arm the CB before a brilliant catch" play
 
2013-02-04 11:37:02 AM

dickfreckle: Next time you're at the Sheraton, walk up St. Charles and take a right at Poydras. You'll be there in about 15 minutes.


You give people way too much credit for actually familiarizing themselves with their surroundings before getting plastered in a strange city.  Not that I don't check my six constantly in NO (I'm kind of paranoid in general), but I also learned about the city before I ever visited it, and when in doubt just latch onto another group if I'm going through a seedy area solo.

NO is a blast, a dirty blast, but a blast nonetheless.
 
2013-02-04 11:37:22 AM

Droog8912: If I was a 9ers fan


The way you're crying about one side and you're upset that a holding call wouldn't be enough against the Ravens, are you sure you're not?

I guess most 49ers fans aren't that bad...
 
2013-02-04 11:41:10 AM

IAmRight: Droog8912: If I was a 9ers fan

The way you're crying about one side and you're upset that a holding call wouldn't be enough against the Ravens, are you sure you're not?

I guess most 49ers fans aren't that bad...


I'm not sure how many times I've pointed out that: a) the officials sucked at calling flags against both teams, b) the 9ers committed more than their fair share of unflagged penalties, but now you can add 1 to each of those totals, presuming you can count that high.
 
2013-02-04 11:45:24 AM

Droog8912: I'm not sure how many times I've pointed out that: a) the officials sucked at calling flags against both teams, b) the 9ers committed more than their fair share of unflagged penalties, but now you can add 1 to each of those totals, presuming you can count that high.


Yeah, you're throwing that phrase in there, then listing every way in which they ignored a Baltimore "penalty," while explaining that the ones "blown" that benefitted the 49ers weren't as important or they weren't a big deal because of some other reason.
 
2013-02-04 11:45:44 AM
Definitely a strange game.  Kaep looked overwhelmed in the first (i though SFO had a bad game plan) then the amazing comeback.  i thought the conversion was too risky. obviously 20/20 hindsight they'd undo that, but even at the time i thought it was too risky.

didn't really watch the game, though.  i was kinda half assedly watching it, cooking and then watching the kids play and running back in the house.  like my wife had to call me in about the outage.  she's like, "holy crap, you gotta see this!"  i thought she meant some crazy play and instead it was the outage.  i did watch the end but once the 49ers couldn't convert, i turned it off. i didn't see that nutty punt-run-out-the-clock play until today.

beyonce was cool though.  not my style of music but that was pretty juice.
 
2013-02-04 11:45:57 AM

unyon: So that's what it takes to get America to pay attention to New Orleans America's crumbling infrastructure.

 
2013-02-04 11:46:25 AM

Droog8912: On another note, there is no way in hell the Raven should pay Flacco like a top 5 QB. Heaving it up as high and hard as you can for Torrey Smith and Boldin to make a play on is not deserving of top-5 QB money. Non-exclusive franchise tag him: let someone else overpay and take their two 1st round picks.


That might be the stupidest thing I have read today.  Flacco is a really accurate deep ball thrower in a league that is more and more pass centric. Are there 5 QBs who should be making more than him? Brady, Rogers, Brees, Eli... and then you are struggling Rothelisburger looks like he is falling apart, Peyton is good but on his way out.  Matt Ryan is probably next and he is about on par with Flacco but Joe has came through in the big games.

Every other relevant QB is on the new rookie scale contract except Stafford and I think I would rather have Flacco.  You don't want to pay a player that can't win so when you find one that can you better pay him because someone will.  He has taken the Ravens to the playoffs every season and is 9-4 in post season games.  All about winning.
 
2013-02-04 11:49:44 AM

Faddy: That might be the stupidest thing I have read today. Flacco is a really accurate deep ball thrower in a league that is more and more pass centric. Are there 5 QBs who should be making more than him? Brady, Rogers, Brees, Eli... and then you are struggling Rothelisburger looks like he is falling apart, Peyton is good but on his way out. Matt Ryan is probably next and he is about on par with Flacco but Joe has came through in the big games.



broadly agree....Flacco seems to have made the [proverbial "jump" over the past 2 years.  he does have a pretty talented set of weapons around him, which obviously makes him look better but he still delivers the ball and doesn't make many mistakes (whereas Eli still does, and of course Romo too).

but i'm not buying the Matt Ryan narrative.  he's not bad but i don't think he is where he should be at this point.
 
2013-02-04 11:53:44 AM

Droog8912: whizbangthedirtfarmer: if 49er fans cry about this "holding" call (never mind that there were numerous missed PI penalties on the 49ers, as well as a few unnecessary roughness calls missed)

To be fair, blown calls at the end are always worse than blown calls early in a game.  Early on, there is time to overcome/rectify mistakes.  Not so much in the last drive.  Yes, there were tons of blown PI calls on Culliver, but Torrey Smith should have been flagged for an OPI as well.  If I was a 9ers fan, I'd be more pissed at how flat the team came out for the first half.  Particularly, how do you fark up the FIRST play from scrimmage?

/Not to mention Boldin has mastered the "stiff-arm the CB before a brilliant catch" play


1) if the WR initiates the contact, the ref won't call it unless it goes too far down the field.
2) the ball was uncatchable anyway.  What people aren't mentioned is that it was a high loop that landed just inside the outer edge of the out-of-bounds paint.  To catch it would have required Randy Moss and a jet pack.
 
2013-02-04 11:56:04 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: To catch it would have required Randy Moss and a jet pack.


Assuming Randy Moss was actually trying, which was not the case at all yesterday.
 
2013-02-04 11:57:49 AM
"And by the way, Beyonce blew the electric in the Superdome twice, I'm told, during her rehearsals during the week." Boomer Esiason.
 
2013-02-04 11:58:02 AM

Igor Jakovsky: Its not particularly close to Canal. I made that walk once after a sugar bowl after I got separated from my group. Its not a nice neighborhood to walk through either. I tried to stay near other groups walking back so as not to be the lone drunk guy trying to make it back to the sheraton. I thoroughly enjoy Nawlins though and would like to get back again sometime.


You don't have to walk anymore.  The main infrastructure improvement they made for the Superbowl is an extension of the streetcar line from Canal all the way to the Amtrak Station out by Earhart and I-10, with stops right at the door of the Hyatt and Benson Tower.  Plus they've improved that entire stretch to make it a little more tourist friendly.

It was pretty surreal coming in to work this morning, hungover as hell, and doing a doubletake as the streetcar rolled by on Loyola.  It's going to take me a while to get used to that.
 
2013-02-04 11:58:31 AM

IAmRight: Droog8912: Speaking as someone who didn't care who won, the officials sucked out loud.  During the first scrum, a Raven threw a punch.  During the second scrum, Williams (Ravens) shoved an official, threw a punch, and tossed an elbow at someone and I'm pretty sure a 9er tossed a punch or two.

Yeah, I was sure Williams was going to get ejected at that point. But in fairness, he did get his head shoved into the ground at least five times right in front of the ref, who did nothing.

I realize that no one wants to be the ref making personal foul calls a few minutes into the Super Bowl...but damn, man, they just let anything go, which resulted in that giant fight.


I was stunned to see a player - in any sport - turn and straight out shove a referee and not just not get summarily and instantly ejected but there wasn't any call at all, not even a personal foul.
 
2013-02-04 12:00:27 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Droog8912: whizbangthedirtfarmer: if 49er fans cry about this "holding" call (never mind that there were numerous missed PI penalties on the 49ers, as well as a few unnecessary roughness calls missed)

To be fair, blown calls at the end are always worse than blown calls early in a game.  Early on, there is time to overcome/rectify mistakes.  Not so much in the last drive.  Yes, there were tons of blown PI calls on Culliver, but Torrey Smith should have been flagged for an OPI as well.  If I was a 9ers fan, I'd be more pissed at how flat the team came out for the first half.  Particularly, how do you fark up the FIRST play from scrimmage?

/Not to mention Boldin has mastered the "stiff-arm the CB before a brilliant catch" play

1) if the WR initiates the contact, the ref won't call it unless it goes too far down the field.
2) the ball was uncatchable anyway.  What people aren't mentioned is that it was a high loop that landed just inside the outer edge of the out-of-bounds paint.  To catch it would have required Randy Moss and a jet pack.


I thought defensive holding didn't require the ball to be catchable?
 
2013-02-04 12:04:41 PM

BigSnatch: I thought defensive holding didn't require the ball to be catchable?


defensive holding (as opposed to defensive PI) can be called if, while beyond the 5 yard zone, the WR, RB, or TE (but not a tackle-eligible receiver) is contacted but only after the ball is thrown and if that player is targeted while making a football move.  if he is contacted before the ball is thrown in the 5yd zone, by rule, there is no penalty, as he has not been targeted.  however, if he is contacted and makes a move outside the 5yd zone defensive hold can be called but only if the ball is catchable (unless it is tipped then there is no PI, by rule).
 
2013-02-04 12:05:26 PM

IAmRight: Droog8912: I'm not sure how many times I've pointed out that: a) the officials sucked at calling flags against both teams, b) the 9ers committed more than their fair share of unflagged penalties, but now you can add 1 to each of those totals, presuming you can count that high.

Yeah, you're throwing that phrase in there, then listing every way in which they ignored a Baltimore "penalty," while explaining that the ones "blown" that benefitted the 49ers weren't as important or they weren't a big deal because of some other reason.


Umm...a 9er throwing punches in the 2nd scrum (didn't see the name, think it was #74) also equals ejection.  Late hit on Flacco out of bounds = personal foul = not punting.  Culliver being all over the defenders like he was 'doing the gay dudes' (when he wasn't burnt) should have been first downs all day.  Pretty sure none of those are unimportant.

Faddy: That might be the stupidest thing I have read today. Flacco is a really accurate deep ball thrower in a league that is more and more pass centric. Are there 5 QBs who should be making more than him? Brady, Rogers, Brees, Eli... and then you are struggling Rothelisburger looks like he is falling apart, Peyton is good but on his way out. Matt Ryan is probably next and he is about on par with Flacco but Joe has came through in the big games.


Flacco is a top 10 QB that wants to be paid like Brady, Rogers, and Brees.  What GM in his right mind is going to give up 2 1sts and 20m/yr for him?  No reason to give him the exclusive franchise tag.  Any team needing a QB that bad probably needs the 1st round picks more, and isn't in a shape to compete for the Superbowl soon anyway.  PFT lists these teams as teams who could sign him if non-exclusive: Bills, Jets, Browns, Jaguars, Titans, Chiefs, Raiders, Eagles, Vikings, Buccaneers, and Cardinals.  Bills stink on ice, the Jets/Raiders have no salary room, the Browns/Jags/Chiefs stink and have really high draft picks, the Titans and Vikings are still workings things out with 1st round QBs as it is.  So that leaves the Eagles, Bucs, and Cards.  The Eagles have a new regime who won't go all on on Flacco and I think the Bucs/Cards owners are too cheap (complete skinflints) to sign him to that much money, and they could always match the contract if they like him that much.  I don't think he is untalented; he just wants too much money.
 
2013-02-04 12:07:48 PM

Droog8912: Not to mention Boldin has mastered the "stiff-arm the CB before a brilliant catch" play


Were we watching the same game? The only pass Boldin didn't catch was the only one he didn't jump ~16 feet for (and it his him in the hands. Go figger). Not that the two are mutually exclusive, but you're saying the process is "shove-jump-catch" when Boldin likely has at least 2" and 20# on the DB?

IAmRight: Yeah, you're throwing that phrase in there, then listing every way in which they ignored a Baltimore "penalty," while explaining that the ones "blown" that benefitted the 49ers weren't as important or they weren't a big deal because of some other reason.


Like, oh - Torrey Smith getting mugged every time he went 15+ yards downfield?
 
2013-02-04 12:08:32 PM

Droog8912: IAmRight: Droog8912: I'm not sure how many times I've pointed out that: a) the officials sucked at calling flags against both teams, b) the 9ers committed more than their fair share of unflagged penalties, but now you can add 1 to each of those totals, presuming you can count that high.

Yeah, you're throwing that phrase in there, then listing every way in which they ignored a Baltimore "penalty," while explaining that the ones "blown" that benefitted the 49ers weren't as important or they weren't a big deal because of some other reason.

Umm...a 9er throwing punches in the 2nd scrum (didn't see the name, think it was #74) also equals ejection.  Late hit on Flacco out of bounds = personal foul = not punting.  Culliver being all over the defenders like he was 'doing the gay dudes' (when he wasn't burnt) should have been first downs all day.  Pretty sure none of those are unimportant.


Wait wait wait... there was an incomplete pass thrown Culliver's way, other than the one that got flagged for PI?  You sure?
 
2013-02-04 12:10:01 PM

factoryconnection: NO is a blast, a dirty blast, but a blast nonetheless.


As mentioned in my profile, it's mostly visitors who make the downtown area dirty. There are plenty of neighborhoods that are no dirtier than Tulsa or Portland or wherever these people come from. Our visitors basically treat the city like a whore - she does all the things you're wife won't. They end up pissing on our homes and throwing their trash on the ground. Some locals litter as well, but it's nothing compared to what happens when five drunk kids from UCLA decide to terrorize the French Quarter.

Next time you're in town, try staying in the Garden District or elsewhere uptown. Way cleaner and about 90% locals. Better music and food, too.
 
2013-02-04 12:12:37 PM

Dr Dreidel: Droog8912: Not to mention Boldin has mastered the "stiff-arm the CB before a brilliant catch" play

Were we watching the same game? The only pass Boldin didn't catch was the only one he didn't jump ~16 feet for (and it his him in the hands. Go figger). Not that the two are mutually exclusive, but you're saying the process is "shove-jump-catch" when Boldin likely has at least 2" and 20# on the DB?


He only did it once this game from what I saw, but Boldin is excellent at shoving off.  Most of the great receivers are good at getting away with it.  I like Boldin a lot, too.  Probably the ballsiest receiver in the league; I still get shivers thinking about how he broke his jaw.
 
2013-02-04 12:16:59 PM

BigSnatch: the ball was uncatchable

rickythepenguin:  defensive hold can be called but only if the ball is catchable

That's what I don't get about this controversy. That ball was definitely uncatchable.

I can't remember that last time that I saw the refs wave off a penalty due to the ball being uncatchable; but when I watched football in my younger days, it seemed to come up a lot. Did the rules change significantly on that at some point?
 
2013-02-04 12:17:04 PM

dickfreckle: pute kisses like a man: SlothB77: One of the primary reasons the NFL chose New Orleans to host the Super Bowl was sympathy for Hurricane Katrina.  In the aftermath of the hurricane, the NFL saw this as an opportunity to get some good PR and help assist the city get back on its feet by hosting the game.  Considerations, like if the Superdome could avoid a power outage, were ignored and this is the result we get.  Much better alternative sites could have been chosen.  The NFL made the decision to pick New Orleans for PR reasons and the result was an embarrassment.

0/10

He's an idiot. As noted in an above post, New Orleans is a perfect town for the SB. Perhaps Katrina helped in that it inspired a major renovation to the 'Dome, but there are a million other reasons the NFL loves NOLA.

This outage could have happened in any other city. That it what was here is somewhat embarrassing, but we're still a premiere sports town. Final Fours, SBs, BCS, etc. We do it all, and typically in stride.


that's why i figured he was trolling.  new orleans is currently tied with miami for hosting the most super bowls, and the superdome has hosted it more times than any other stadium.
 
2013-02-04 12:17:41 PM

Droog8912: I still get shivers thinking about how he broke his jaw.


and recovered without painkillers.

the local paper added a wrinkle I'd never heard to his exit from Arizona;  it is undisputed that he felt the Cards lied to him re an extension.  his version was that the team reneged on its promise to extend, the team -- before what i read sunday -- claimed they never promised a new deal.  either way, the proverbial marriage was irretrievably borken.

but, the paper said the Cardinals made an offer but Drew Rosenhaus supposedly never presented it to Boldin.  i had never heard that before.  and what may support the story, is that Boldin later fired Rosenhaus.

i wasn't really rooting for anybody yesterday.  i wasn't even really watching the game, for that matter, but the one thing that had me kinda hoping for BALT was boldin.  He's a good guy, a hard worker, and you like seeing good people succeed.  Just a shame it couldn't work here.  but good for him.
 
2013-02-04 12:21:08 PM
My only problem with the no-call at the end was the fact that they called a PI penalty on the 49ers on the Ravens previous drive that was much less flagrant.

They had been letting contact and PI go all night until that very key call against the 49ers continued a long Baltimore drive.
 
2013-02-04 12:22:26 PM

Eegah: That's what I don't get about this controversy. That ball was definitely uncatchable.


No way.  The ball was very catchable.  The only reason it wasn't catchable was because the receiver was being mugged.. he still got pretty close to it.
 
2013-02-04 12:23:32 PM

Dafatone: Wait wait wait... there was an incomplete pass thrown Culliver's way, other than the one that got flagged for PI?  You sure?


(snert) I'd honestly like to see a the tape for a breakdown of passes thrown his way and count the catches, drops, and flagged/unflagged penalties.  He looked completely lost on the field.
 
2013-02-04 12:24:18 PM
Fake.
 
2013-02-04 12:25:41 PM
One of the primary reasons the NFL chose New Orleans to host the Super Bowl was sympathy for Hurricane Katrina.  In the aftermath of the hurricane, the NFL saw this as an opportunity to get some good PR and help assist the city get back on its feet by hosting the game.  Considerations, like if the Superdome could avoid a power outage, were ignored and this is the result we get.  Much better alternative sites could have been chosen.  The NFL made the decision to pick New Orleans for PR reasons and the result was an embarrassment.

0/10



Sure, Respond to the "troll" and give it zero? Any response means he scores a point. Stupid.
 
2013-02-04 12:26:51 PM

MugzyBrown: They had been letting contact and PI go all night until that very key call against the 49ers continued a long Baltimore drive.


If you let a KR go 109 yards on you, I think you forfeit any self-proclaimed right to complain.

You wanna win the Super Bowl?  Before biatching about calls or no-calls, don't give the other team a free TD.
 
2013-02-04 12:27:10 PM

CipollinaFan: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 600x399]

The real mastermind behind the lights.


We are talking about New Orleans, after all...I just assumed it was copper thieves...
 
2013-02-04 12:29:25 PM

EnviroDude: One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)


This one?
 
2013-02-04 12:30:57 PM
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2013-02-04 12:30:58 PM

dragonchild: If you let a KR go 109 yards on you, I think you forfeit any self-proclaimed right to complain.

You wanna win the Super Bowl? Before biatching about calls or no-calls, don't give the other team a free TD.


Well that's stupid.

Anyway, I'm just happy Ray Lewis is now gone.  He was nicely embarassed in the game.

He's a bigger self-absorbed dick than TO
 
2013-02-04 12:31:49 PM

MugzyBrown: Eegah: That's what I don't get about this controversy. That ball was definitely uncatchable.

No way.  The ball was very catchable.  The only reason it wasn't catchable was because the receiver was being mugged.. he still got pretty close to it.


I'm not saying the ball was too far away from him, I'm saying the ball was too far out-of-bounds. From the way it looked to me, it appears that the receiver would have needed Inspector Gadget extend-o-arms to reach it, even if he had been standing just inside the sideline at the closest possible point. Perhaps someone could create a 3-D image and show how the receiver could've caught it as some point.
 
2013-02-04 12:32:40 PM

MugzyBrown: Eegah: That's what I don't get about this controversy. That ball was definitely uncatchable.

No way.  The ball was very catchable.  The only reason it wasn't catchable was because the receiver was being mugged.. he still got pretty close to it.


I agree.  his hands were only a couple feet away.  "Uncatchable" is a pass 10 yards downfield or well out of bounds.  That pass was <1 yard out of his hands, and landed about a yard into the white.  Very catchable if you are as talented as an NFL wide receiver not on the Jaguars or Jets.
 
2013-02-04 12:33:38 PM

Eegah: I'm not saying the ball was too far away from him, I'm saying the ball was too far out-of-bounds. From the way it looked to me, it appears that the receiver would have needed Inspector Gadget extend-o-arms to reach it, even if he had been standing just inside the sideline at the closest possible point. Perhaps someone could create a 3-D image and show how the receiver could've caught it as some point.


The ball landed like 1 yard out of bounds.. he would have caught it 6, 7 feet in the air before it reached the sideline.  The ball is coming down on an angle, not straight down.
 
2013-02-04 12:35:43 PM

Eegah: Perhaps someone could create a 3-D image and show how the receiver could've caught it as some point.


If it lands in the white border around the field, it is within 6 feet of the field of play.  It landed in the middle, so lets say 2-4 feet.  Eminently catchable by a 6'1" NFL receiver like Crabtree, although he may have to drag his feet/toe tap depending on the angle
 
2013-02-04 12:36:15 PM
Really doesn't matter if the ball was catchable - the WR initiated contact and pushed. The refs let you grab for a bit after that. You're not going to give a team another four shots at the end zone inside the 5 on a weak-ass "penalty" like that.
 
2013-02-04 12:38:33 PM

IAmRight: Really doesn't matter if the ball was catchable - the WR initiated contact and pushed. The refs let you grab for a bit after that. You're not going to give a team another four shots at the end zone inside the 5 on a weak-ass "penalty" like that.


I would agree to the point that the DB had his left arm wrapped around the receiver's waste stopping him from getting to the ball.

If it was more hand fighting or body contact, I would agree, but he wasn't fighting for position, he was literally holding him.  When they thought of the rule for defensive holding, that's what they had in mind.
 
2013-02-04 12:40:11 PM

dickfreckle: factoryconnection: NO is a blast, a dirty blast, but a blast nonetheless.

As mentioned in my profile, it's mostly visitors who make the downtown area dirty. There are plenty of neighborhoods that are no dirtier than Tulsa or Portland or wherever these people come from. Our visitors basically treat the city like a whore - she does all the things you're wife won't. They end up pissing on our homes and throwing their trash on the ground. Some locals litter as well, but it's nothing compared to what happens when five drunk kids from UCLA decide to terrorize the French Quarter.

Next time you're in town, try staying in the Garden District or elsewhere uptown. Way cleaner and about 90% locals. Better music and food, too.


it might also depend on the last time he visited.  the 'disneyworld (or land?)' street cleaning services in the quarter are pretty impressive.  i was riding my bike all over the lower garden district, cbd, quarter, marigny, st claude, and st roch area and the city was pretty clean everywhere I went over the super bowl weekend (nb, my travels did not include bourbon st).
 
2013-02-04 12:43:41 PM

MugzyBrown: Anyway, I'm just happy Ray Lewis is now gone. He was nicely embarassed in the game.


what happened?  i saw him make a play here and there but nothing spectacular.  wonder what his line was.
 
2013-02-04 12:43:53 PM

Droog8912: IAmRight: Droog8912: I'm not sure how many times I've pointed out that: a) the officials sucked at calling flags against both teams, b) the 9ers committed more than their fair share of unflagged penalties, but now you can add 1 to each of those totals, presuming you can count that high.

Yeah, you're throwing that phrase in there, then listing every way in which they ignored a Baltimore "penalty," while explaining that the ones "blown" that benefitted the 49ers weren't as important or they weren't a big deal because of some other reason.

Umm...a 9er throwing punches in the 2nd scrum (didn't see the name, think it was #74) also equals ejection.  Late hit on Flacco out of bounds = personal foul = not punting.  Culliver being all over the defenders like he was 'doing the gay dudes' (when he wasn't burnt) should have been first downs all day.  Pretty sure none of those are unimportant.

Faddy: That might be the stupidest thing I have read today. Flacco is a really accurate deep ball thrower in a league that is more and more pass centric. Are there 5 QBs who should be making more than him? Brady, Rogers, Brees, Eli... and then you are struggling Rothelisburger looks like he is falling apart, Peyton is good but on his way out. Matt Ryan is probably next and he is about on par with Flacco but Joe has came through in the big games.

Flacco is a top 10 QB that wants to be paid like Brady, Rogers, and Brees.  What GM in his right mind is going to give up 2 1sts and 20m/yr for him?  No reason to give him the exclusive franchise tag.  Any team needing a QB that bad probably needs the 1st round picks more, and isn't in a shape to compete for the Superbowl soon anyway.  PFT lists these teams as teams who could sign him if non-exclusive: Bills, Jets, Browns, Jaguars, Titans, Chiefs, Raiders, Eagles, Vikings, Buccaneers, and Cardinals.  Bills stink on ice, the Jets/Raiders have no salary room, the Browns/Jags/Chiefs stink and have really high draft picks, the Titans and Vikings ar ...


The Vikings should sign him in a heart beat.  I've seen Ponder and Webb, both are busts.  Peterson is at the peak of his career, if they can back him up with a QB like Flacco then they should jump at the chance.  If not I expect Alex Smith to be of interest.

I'm sure the other teams on that list would jump on Flacco too.  When has a QB of Flacco's quality become available when the team has no other option at quarterback? Never.
 
2013-02-04 12:44:25 PM

MugzyBrown: IAmRight: Really doesn't matter if the ball was catchable - the WR initiated contact and pushed. The refs let you grab for a bit after that. You're not going to give a team another four shots at the end zone inside the 5 on a weak-ass "penalty" like that.

I would agree to the point that the DB had his left arm wrapped around the receiver's waste stopping him from getting to the ball.

If it was more hand fighting or body contact, I would agree, but he wasn't fighting for position, he was literally holding him.  When they thought of the rule for defensive holding, that's what they had in mind.


...beyond five yards, yes, and if the WR doesn't run into him to begin with.  Crabtree ran into him, he grabbed him, Crabtree pushed the guy down by the facemask, and the ball landed well out of bounds.  No penalty, and certainly no way Crabtree would make the catch.  You can argue all you want, but the ball was poorly thrown and coming down well out of bounds at a steep angle.  For Crabtree to even have a remote chance to catch, he would have had to been uncovered completely and been able to leap pretty freakin' high.

If 49ers fans want to be pissed, they can complain about the holding on the punt/safety.  Even so, the Ravens would have been backed up, and had the opportunity to run more time off the clock.
 
2013-02-04 12:45:07 PM

Droog8912: Dafatone: Wait wait wait... there was an incomplete pass thrown Culliver's way, other than the one that got flagged for PI?  You sure?

(snert) I'd honestly like to see a the tape for a breakdown of passes thrown his way and count the catches, drops, and flagged/unflagged penalties.  He looked completely lost on the field.


Oh man, while seeking a breakdown on his performance, I just recalled the atrocious play where he jumped over Jones rather than touch him down, thereby giving up a TD.  He should have been cut on the spot after that.

IAmRight: Really doesn't matter if the ball was catchable - the WR initiated contact and pushed. The refs let you grab for a bit after that. You're not going to give a team another four shots at the end zone inside the 5 on a weak-ass "penalty" like that.


Looks to me like mutual contact was initiated short of the goal-line and Smith simply doesn't let go after the 5 yards, but my connection is sucking and the video at NFL.com keeps buffering and stuttering, so I can't view it well on this crap connection.
 
2013-02-04 12:46:41 PM
Watched the game and I was also surprised on all the blown calls.

Fwiw: I'm a Cheifs fan. I have no dog in this fight nor had any money on this game ( but I did rewatch the post season games for both teams and called it for the ravens before the pro bowl was played)

I have to say this game could have been different if it was a regular season or even early post season game regarding the calls by the refs.

As for the farker saying that the Cheifs suck but have high draft picks... We have a good set of core players but we needed a new head coach, new gm, new offensive coach and a QB that at least a second tier college would start.

Fact is our defense us solid but the offense was almost always 3 and outing or turning over the ball so the D never got a rest. They would tire out and get scored on. It was our O-line and mainly our QB causing our bad season. We over half your points for your entire season can be attributed to your kicker, you know it is an offensive problem.

Also we had 5 players selected for the pro bowl (either primaries or alts). Our individual players rocked. We sucked playing as a team.

We fired our gm, we fired our head coach, I believe we fired our offensive coordinator. Either we trade our picks for a proven QB worth having or take a chance on a QB in the draft. I suspect another 7-9 or 8-8 season but either way I love my team.
 
2013-02-04 12:49:30 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Crabtree ran into him, he grabbed him, Crabtree pushed the guy down by the facemask, and the ball landed well out of bounds. No penalty, and certainly no way Crabtree would make the catch. You can argue all you want, but the ball was poorly thrown and coming down well out of bounds at a steep angle. For Crabtree to even have a remote chance to catch, he would have had to been uncovered completely and been able to leap pretty freakin' high.


Come back to reality.  Crabtree ran into him, so he could get position like a basketball player would.  The DB then grabbed and clawed for dear life as Crabtree desparately tried to get the DB off of him as he saw the ball coming.

If the DB doesn't put his arm around Crabtree, he'll have a very good shot at catching that.
 
2013-02-04 12:51:47 PM

EnviroDude: One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)


Yeah, it's always the last play of the game that's talked about - the missed kick or the blown call.
Nobody talks about all the mistakes throughout the rest of the game.
 
2013-02-04 12:52:10 PM

Faddy: I'm sure the other teams on that list would jump on Flacco too. When has a QB of Flacco's quality become available when the team has no other option at quarterback? Never.


Is Flacco an upgrade on every one of those teams listed? Absolutely.  But teams with a top 5 pick are terrible, terrible teams.  Wasting money and 2 picks on a player that simply isn't surrounded by enough talent to go anyway is poor management skills.  And some of those teams are simply unable to sign because of the cap situation (Jets and Raiders most notably).

whizbangthedirtfarmer: If 49ers fans want to be pissed, they can complain about the holding on the punt/safety Culliver, the team being completed outmatched in the first half, and not even being ready for the first play from scrimmage.


The refs sucked, but the 9ers screwed themselves into being down 28-6.

/can we just not have those refs against next year? Please?
 
2013-02-04 12:55:27 PM

Begoggle: Nobody talks about all the mistakes throughout the rest of the game.


surprised at the relative radio silence re the missed conversion.
 
2013-02-04 12:56:38 PM

MugzyBrown: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Crabtree ran into him, he grabbed him, Crabtree pushed the guy down by the facemask, and the ball landed well out of bounds. No penalty, and certainly no way Crabtree would make the catch. You can argue all you want, but the ball was poorly thrown and coming down well out of bounds at a steep angle. For Crabtree to even have a remote chance to catch, he would have had to been uncovered completely and been able to leap pretty freakin' high.

Come back to reality.  Crabtree ran into him, so he could get position like a basketball player would.  The DB then grabbed and clawed for dear life as Crabtree desparately tried to get the DB off of him as he saw the ball coming.

If the DB doesn't put his arm around Crabtree, he'll have a very good shot at catching that.


...about a full yard out of bounds.  If you want to talk about reality, you need to acknowledge that a) Crabtree had no reasonable chance to catch the ball, and b) once Crabtree ran into him (it was a stop and go route), then the CB could grab him.  You may not like it, but it is well within the rules.  Crabtree was pushing the guy down by his facemask doesn't help your argument, either.  If you want to say the ball was catchable, then you also need to say that offensive PI was a possibility, too.
 
2013-02-04 01:02:44 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: about a full yard out of bounds. If you want to talk about reality, you need to acknowledge that a) Crabtree had no reasonable chance to catch the ball, and b) once Crabtree ran into him (it was a stop and go route), then the CB could grab him. You may not like it, but it is well within the rules. Crabtree was pushing the guy down by his facemask doesn't help your argument, either. If you want to say the ball was catchable, then you also need to say that offensive PI was a possibility, too.


He would have caught the ball in the air, well over his head, probably a good 2 feet in bounds.  The ball travels at an angle.. it was being thrown from a good 20 yards away, not from the ceiling.

And Crabtree was pushing because he was trying to get the DB off of him to catch the ball.  He probably should have just gone down and forced the ref's hand.  He may have gotten the call if he didn't fight so hard to get loose.

You can say it was a good non-call for the situation.. there's no way you can say it wasn't a penalty.  It was an obvious penalty.
 
2013-02-04 01:06:44 PM

MugzyBrown: whizbangthedirtfarmer: about a full yard out of bounds. If you want to talk about reality, you need to acknowledge that a) Crabtree had no reasonable chance to catch the ball, and b) once Crabtree ran into him (it was a stop and go route), then the CB could grab him. You may not like it, but it is well within the rules. Crabtree was pushing the guy down by his facemask doesn't help your argument, either. If you want to say the ball was catchable, then you also need to say that offensive PI was a possibility, too.

He would have caught the ball in the air, well over his head, probably a good 2 feet in bounds.  The ball travels at an angle.. it was being thrown from a good 20 yards away, not from the ceiling.

And Crabtree was pushing because he was trying to get the DB off of him to catch the ball.  He probably should have just gone down and forced the ref's hand.  He may have gotten the call if he didn't fight so hard to get loose.

You can say it was a good non-call for the situation.. there's no way you can say it wasn't a penalty.  It was an obvious penalty.


It's okay, even Crabtree agrees with the non-call.  But you can keep biatching about it.

"I mean, it felt like there was a lot of contact," Crabtree said. "I don't even want to say this, but if the ball had been a little lower, giving me a chance to make a play, I'm sure they would've called it (the penalty)."

Keep farking the chicken, though.
 
2013-02-04 01:07:33 PM

meanmutton: Holding doesn't stop the play, though.


I wonder if Harbaugh the Greater, being the evil genius that he is, told the punt unit O-line to intentionally hold on the play to take more time off the clock.
 
2013-02-04 01:10:55 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: It's okay, even Crabtree agrees with the non-call. But you can keep biatching about it.

"I mean, it felt like there was a lot of contact," Crabtree said. "I don't even want to say this, but if the ball had been a little lower, giving me a chance to make a play, I'm sure they would've called it (the penalty)."

Keep farking the chicken, though.


So Crabtree didn't want to complain...

I don't give a shiat about either team.  Learn football
 
2013-02-04 01:14:30 PM

poughdrew: meanmutton: Holding doesn't stop the play, though.

I wonder if Harbaugh the Greater, being the evil genius that he is, told the punt unit O-line to intentionally hold on the play to take more time off the clock.


They were going to take a safety anyway, so there was zero repercussion for doing so. Hell, one guy (can't remember his name offhand) was bear-hugging a 49er d-lineman the entire play.
 
2013-02-04 01:17:26 PM

MugzyBrown: whizbangthedirtfarmer: It's okay, even Crabtree agrees with the non-call. But you can keep biatching about it.

"I mean, it felt like there was a lot of contact," Crabtree said. "I don't even want to say this, but if the ball had been a little lower, giving me a chance to make a play, I'm sure they would've called it (the penalty)."

Keep farking the chicken, though.

So Crabtree didn't want to complain...

I don't give a shiat about either team.  Learn football


Hey, all I've done is give you the rules and the reality of the situation.  You're been doing nothing but working on your feelings.  To be honest, I half expected you to start criticizing Crabtree for disagreeing with you.  So, lessee, the refs, most of the non-49ers contingent, and the player himself all agree the ball was overthrown and that there was no penalty.  Stop biatching.
 
2013-02-04 01:18:16 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: MugzyBrown: whizbangthedirtfarmer: about a full yard out of bounds. If you want to talk about reality, you need to acknowledge that a) Crabtree had no reasonable chance to catch the ball, and b) once Crabtree ran into him (it was a stop and go route), then the CB could grab him. You may not like it, but it is well within the rules. Crabtree was pushing the guy down by his facemask doesn't help your argument, either. If you want to say the ball was catchable, then you also need to say that offensive PI was a possibility, too.

He would have caught the ball in the air, well over his head, probably a good 2 feet in bounds.  The ball travels at an angle.. it was being thrown from a good 20 yards away, not from the ceiling.

And Crabtree was pushing because he was trying to get the DB off of him to catch the ball.  He probably should have just gone down and forced the ref's hand.  He may have gotten the call if he didn't fight so hard to get loose.

You can say it was a good non-call for the situation.. there's no way you can say it wasn't a penalty.  It was an obvious penalty.

It's okay, even Crabtree agrees with the non-call.  But you can keep biatching about it.

"I mean, it felt like there was a lot of contact," Crabtree said. "I don't even want to say this, but if the ball had been a little lower, giving me a chance to make a play, I'm sure they would've called it (the penalty)."

Keep farking the chicken, though.


You're wrong dude, you are flat-out wrong.  It was close enough that they NEVER call it uncatchable in that situation.  No way in hell.
 
2013-02-04 01:18:52 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: poughdrew: meanmutton: Holding doesn't stop the play, though.

I wonder if Harbaugh the Greater, being the evil genius that he is, told the punt unit O-line to intentionally hold on the play to take more time off the clock.

They were going to take a safety anyway, so there was zero repercussion for doing so. Hell, one guy (can't remember his name offhand) was bear-hugging a 49er d-lineman the entire play.


Yep, the refs did the 49ers a favor there.  If they had called holding, the Ravens would have had the ball again with eight seconds left.  They could have run around in the end zone again for another safety or punted it away, which, with a fair catch or kick out of bounds, would have left two or three seconds on the clock.
 
2013-02-04 01:21:07 PM
It wasn't half as much interference or holding as Bowman committed at the end of the game against the Falcons. So yeah, not going to feel too bad for the 49ers.

BTW, for what it's worth, virtually every NFL referee, current and former, with a public voice, said that the play didn't merit a flag. And the only bad officiating throughout the game was the lack of control after the whistles. Relative to most NFL games, this was a damn perfect game from the refs.
 
2013-02-04 01:24:39 PM

IAmRight: It wasn't half as much interference or holding as Bowman committed at the end of the game against the Falcons. So yeah, not going to feel too bad for the 49ers.

BTW, for what it's worth, virtually every NFL referee, current and former, with a public voice, said that the play didn't merit a flag. And the only bad officiating throughout the game was the lack of control after the whistles. Relative to most NFL games, this was a damn perfect game from the refs.


Mike Francesa: "That's a flag any way you look at it".
 
2013-02-04 01:28:13 PM

downtownkid: Mike Francesa: "That's a flag any way you look at it".


Oh, well clearly a radio host would be the ultimate authority in these cases.
 
2013-02-04 01:33:05 PM

IAmRight: downtownkid: Mike Francesa: "That's a flag any way you look at it".

Oh, well clearly a radio host would be the ultimate authority in these cases.


I'll take an objective guy who has covered the NFL for 30+ years over you, yes.
 
2013-02-04 01:33:30 PM
Mike Periera:  "Kaepernick lofted a pass to Michael Crabtree, who was being guarded by Jimmy Smith. Both players were hand fighting and when you look at this play in real time, there's not enough to call pass interference against either player. Smith had a quick grab and Crabtree had a quick push-off. Smith went down on the play and the pass fell incomplete. ... By the way, it couldn't be defensive holding because the pass was in the air when the contact occurred. It's either offensive pass interference or defensive pass interference ."

/but a radio host said it was pass interference!
 
2013-02-04 01:36:24 PM

downtownkid: I'll take an objective guy who has covered the NFL for 30+ years over you, yes.


Holy hell you're a moron. The point is that it's not me, it's every official who has ever officiated and has a public voice. I suppose refs have a tendency to look out for one another...but then, radio hosts have a tendency to trot out the bullsh*t in order to create controversy.
 
2013-02-04 01:37:01 PM

Dr Dreidel: Yanks_RSJ: EnviroDude: One thing is for sure, the "non-hold hold" will be discussed at the Harbaugh Thanksgiving table for the next 25 years (unless they are playing that day)

As long as Jim ends up getting punched in the face every year, that's fine.  God, what a baby.

Yes. 4th down was the problem. Not the 3 other tries to go 5 yards that came up empty - because the refs failed to drop a yellow hanky on that one play, all was ruined. The 49ers had no other chances to move the ball and score other than with ~5 mins to go in the game.

BTW, Lee Evans wants you to know he caught that ball last year, and Tom Brady says the ball Tyree "caught" moved when it hit turf. Also, UF thinks they won a National Championship against THE State of Ohio's University due to uncalled PI. Maybe Kaepernick should hold the ball when he gets sacked, and not throw it to Ed Reed on the next play.

// can't be fun to lose, and I hope Jim has more class than to cry about it for a year


UF thinks they won a championship against "The  State of Ohio University" because they won 41-14.
 
2013-02-04 01:37:03 PM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-04 01:37:18 PM

IAmRight: downtownkid: I'll take an objective guy who has covered the NFL for 30+ years over you, yes.

Holy hell you're a moron. The point is that it's not me, it's every official who has ever officiated and has a public voice. I suppose refs have a tendency to look out for one another...but then, radio hosts have a tendency to trot out the bullsh*t in order to create controversy.


Here are some pictures, may make it easier for you:

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/4th-and-goal-pass-interference-super-b ow l-47-video/
 
2013-02-04 01:37:37 PM

downtownkid: IAmRight: downtownkid: Mike Francesa: "That's a flag any way you look at it".

Oh, well clearly a radio host would be the ultimate authority in these cases.

I'll take an objective guy who has covered the NFL for 30+ years over you, yes.


Over him, over Crabtree, over the former head of officiating.  Yes indeed.
 
2013-02-04 01:51:01 PM

downtownkid: Here are some pictures, may make it easier for you:


Ah, we all know that photographs are an excellent way to show action. I'm guessing you also forgot to read after where the author stopped agreeing with you.

"But remember, this is a literal reading of technical nitpicking. In truth, how often are offensive and defensive pass interference called simulatenously? Never.

Not to mention that there's this:

"A defensive player is allowed to maintain continuous and unbroken contact within the five-yard zone until a point when the receiver is even with the defender."

Crabtree had not yet gained even ground (see first screenshot) with Smith, and the contact by both players was barely beyond five yards. Crabtree and Smith's pass interference therefore fall into the same legal subset, and so no penalty should have been awarded on either side. Furthermore, remember what was stated above:  both players were disadvantaged, meaning neither player gained an advantage. At this point it usually becomes a game of splitting hairs, the official deciding which player impeded the other more. And because neither foul was particularly egregious, he choose to let it all go - which, in my opinion, was the only call to make, because a singular flag on either side would have been unfairly punitive."
 
2013-02-04 01:51:37 PM
@ Gilgamesh

Cool. The time I made that walk was in '95 I believe. It was UF-FSU anyway. Iirc we took a courtesy shuttle up there but I couldnt find one to get back. Then I lost my friends. This before cellphones so I was out of luck trying to contact them. I did stick with a pack of people though so it was OK. Nice to hear they habe a trolley to get you there now.

/something is wrong with my reply button on fark mobile.
 
2013-02-04 01:52:17 PM
It is definitely surprising pass interference wasn't called in a consistent manner on that last play. It was always called perfectly during the regular season with consistent standards between officials and applied consistently against all teams and individual players.

It's like the strike zone in baseball, perfectly utilized all the time, that's why I'm amazed there is any controversy about the no call.

/could have been pass interference
//against either team
///just let it farking go people who "have no dog in the fight" but somehow can't avoid dick waving about it anyway
 
2013-02-04 01:56:44 PM

js34603: It is definitely surprising pass interference wasn't called in a consistent manner on that last play. It was always called perfectly during the regular season with consistent standards between officials and applied consistently against all teams and individual players.


Certainly neither team had ever benefited nor been victim of a similar no-call, say, within the 10-yard-line, with someone contacting a receiver with the ball in the air on a 4th-down play near the end of a playoff game with the driving team hoping to overcome a one-score deficit.

Can you imagine if, say, the 49ers had gotten away with something like that, say, in the game against the Falcons for the NFC Championship? Everyone would be outraged!
 
2013-02-04 01:56:52 PM

js34603: It is definitely surprising pass interference wasn't called in a consistent manner on that last play. It was always called perfectly during the regular season with consistent standards between officials and applied consistently against all teams and individual players.

It's like the strike zone in baseball, perfectly utilized all the time, that's why I'm amazed there is any controversy about the no call.

/could have been pass interference
//against either team
///just let it farking go people who "have no dog in the fight" but somehow can't avoid dick waving about it anyway


Because people who like football but support other teams have no reason to comment right?


Zip it moran
 
2013-02-04 01:56:58 PM

js34603: ///just let it farking go people who "have no dog in the fight" but somehow can't avoid dick waving about it anyway


If people did that, fark would cease to exist.
 
2013-02-04 01:57:24 PM
Is it just me or did that game show just what a biatch Karma is for Chris Culliver? That dude got torched at every turn.

Funny that for such a homophobe, Culliver had no problem letting guys get behind him all night long.
 
2013-02-04 02:05:42 PM

Igor Jakovsky: @ Gilgamesh

Cool. The time I made that walk was in '95 I believe. It was UF-FSU anyway. Iirc we took a courtesy shuttle up there but I couldnt find one to get back. Then I lost my friends. This before cellphones so I was out of luck trying to contact them. I did stick with a pack of people though so it was OK. Nice to hear they habe a trolley to get you there now.

/something is wrong with my reply button on fark mobile.


1995 - those were some scary times in that area.  You'd be amazed at how it looks now.
 
2013-02-04 02:06:38 PM

4NTLRZ: Is it just me or did that game show just what a biatch Karma is for Chris Culliver? That dude got torched at every turn.


Culliver is a pos and I dislike Ray Lewis, so I was happy that someone had to lose.  The fact that Culliver was burnt every play and Ray missed tackles all night was very satisfying.
 
2013-02-04 02:06:42 PM

4NTLRZ: Culliver had no problem letting guys get behind him all night long.


And if they weren't, he was grinding all over 'em.
 
2013-02-04 02:08:13 PM
For some reason I am continually amazed at the carping about the refs. You know going in there will be bad calls... as there has always been bad calls and they make bad calls during every game of the season. Sometimes they are for your team, and sometimes they are against. We'll have some in every game next year too. A bad call or two or six against your team does not in any way negate a victory. For me to change my mind about this you'll have to show me an official who has intentionally blown a call financial remuneration. Then we can talk about a negated victory. Until then, play better.

One other thing - in watching football for a really long time I have seen many many instances of teams prevailing against lopsided officiating too many times to count. Not that I'm saying that this game had lopsided officiating. With a total of 53 yards of penalties for the whole game it's clear the refs let both teams play and lots of players got away with lots of things. Why is there never anyone in these threads saying 'oh, if only we hadn't had two turnovers!'. 'Oh, if only we hadn't gotten three scores behind!' No, it's got to be the fault of someone else.

As someone with zero rooting interest I'm just gonna say, good, exciting game. If I had a slight preference it would have been SF because I picked them in my pickem' league so I lost seven bucks with baltimore prevailing. But there was nothing cheap about that win.
 
2013-02-04 02:08:35 PM
I have to agree:  some superbowls are blowouts, and some are nail-biters, but this was somehow was both.  Plus utter fail, and flawless victory (109 yards!) and a nice controversy at the end so nobody really feels like they lost on account of being losers.

I could tell it was special when my wife, who barely pays attention and then only during commericial breaks, remarked afterwards that wow, that was a farked-up game.  Yes, it was.
 
2013-02-04 02:09:43 PM

Droog8912: 4NTLRZ: Is it just me or did that game show just what a biatch Karma is for Chris Culliver? That dude got torched at every turn.

Culliver is a pos and I dislike Ray Lewis, so I was happy that someone had to lose.  The fact that Culliver was burnt every play and Ray missed tackles all night was very satisfying.


And Randy Moss got to lose!
 
2013-02-04 02:15:14 PM
This is a fitting end to me. A HC (and former mediocre QB) in Jim Harbaugh who has carped all year about defenders actually playing defense against his receivers, whining, once again, like a biatch about the officials not treating his boys like china dolls. It was a correct non-call on a play in which there was mutual light interference between Crabtree and the defender during which neither gained a discernable advantage.
 
2013-02-04 02:16:26 PM

IAmRight: And Randy Moss got to lose!


If he'd won with the Pats in '07, I think more people would have been happy - I certainly would have. That season, he was a human being saying and doing all the right things. Starting the following year (was it him biatching about the team's morning brunch spread?) he reverted to Moss/Owens/Johnson/Bosworth mode, whereupon karma saw fit to seat him in the cargo hold for the duration of his NFL journey.

// only letting him outside to catch some air last night, which is karma's knife-twist ending (along with watching RayRay celebrate)
 
2013-02-04 02:22:09 PM

Dr Dreidel: If he'd won with the Pats in '07, I think more people would have been happy - I certainly would have.


Well, if he'd won the SB but the Pats still went 18-1, it would've been fine.

See, that's the thing about people talking about how it would've been great to have another undefeated team so the Dolphins fans wouldn't be so smug...a) I know two Dolphins fans, and they never bring that up, mostly because it happened before they were alive. b) brings me to the other point - the other time it happened was 1972 - not only are people not really bragging about it now, but anyone who remembers is over halfway to death. I really don't need an entire lifetime of Patriots fans talking about their undefeated season and how theirs was way better than the Dolphins'.
 
2013-02-04 02:23:16 PM

IAmRight: 4NTLRZ: Culliver had no problem letting guys get behind him all night long.

And if they weren't, he was grinding all over 'em.


Oh sh*t! Larfin' out loud! Well played!

IAmRight: Droog8912: 4NTLRZ: Is it just me or did that game show just what a biatch Karma is for Chris Culliver? That dude got torched at every turn.

Culliver is a pos and I dislike Ray Lewis, so I was happy that someone had to lose.  The fact that Culliver was burnt every play and Ray missed tackles all night was very satisfying.

And Randy Moss got to lose!


There's that, too! How many catches did the self-proclaimed best receiver in the history of the game have? 2?

/helluva disappearing act you pulled there, Randy!
 
2013-02-04 02:24:31 PM

IAmRight: , that's the thing about people talking about how it would've been great to have another undefeated team so the Dolphins fans wouldn't be so smug...a) I know two Dolphins fans, and they never bring that up,


I still say the pats lost to the ravens that year,  The refs just gave them 3 redo's well since they are the pats.
 
2013-02-04 02:24:56 PM

DjangoStonereaver: poisonedpawn78: The lights out bowl !

if it wasnt for the lights the game was going to be 60-6 in a very quick and short fashion.

If I was still a believer in conspiracy theories, I'd almost say that the NFL specifically cut the lights to spice
things up.


I'll believe for you.
 
2013-02-04 02:27:02 PM

IAmRight: Dr Dreidel: If he'd won with the Pats in '07, I think more people would have been happy - I certainly would have.

Well, if he'd won the SB but the Pats still went 18-1, it would've been fine.

See, that's the thing about people talking about how it would've been great to have another undefeated team so the Dolphins fans wouldn't be so smug...a) I know two Dolphins fans, and they never bring that up, mostly because it happened before they were alive. b) brings me to the other point - the other time it happened was 1972 - not only are people not really bragging about it now, but anyone who remembers is over halfway to death. I really don't need an entire lifetime of Patriots fans talking about their undefeated season and how theirs was way better than the Dolphins'.


I seem to remember that the schedule difficulty between the 72 Dolphins (.357) and the 07 Pats (.539) was pretty huge.  Any way you slice it, the Pats were a far superior team; they just used up all of their karma before the Super Bowl.
 
2013-02-04 02:28:02 PM
Randy Moss giving up on routes and not going for that high ball needs to be addressed.  How many teams can this guy quit on before people get tired of him.  Can't even put in an effort during the Superbowl?  Jeesus Chreest.  I'm not sure he could've deflected that interception, it was pretty high, but to make zero effort at jumping or putting your hands up?
 
2013-02-04 02:29:08 PM

IAmRight:
And Randy Moss got to lose!

That too.  Kind of like a late Christmas present. Double bonus: Jim Harbough acting like a twat on the sidelines at the end.

JohnBigBootay: For some reason I am continually amazed at the carping about the refs.


I think all the non-homers are saying the same thing, just arguing about a few calls along the way: the 9ers screwed themselves in the first half, and the refs swallowed their whistles (with debating to what extent they should/should not).

In my mind, the worst officiating I saw was not ejecting Cary Williams after the 2nd scrum.  If you want to let them push and shove, fine, but he shoved an official and was throwing blows.  That shiat is uncalled for.
 
2013-02-04 02:31:26 PM

seumasokelly: It was a correct non-call on a play in which there was mutual light interference between Crabtree and the defender during which neither gained a discernable advantage.


I wouldn't go that far. The non-call being 'correct' I mean. That's one of those, 'sometimes they call it and sometimes they don't but either way you have to live with it' calls. If they had called it I wouldn't be saying BULLshiat is what I mean.
 
2013-02-04 02:31:56 PM

IAmRight: I know two Dolphins fans, and they never bring that up, mostly because it happened before they were alive.



yeah, sports law #6:  you can only brag about titles won in your lifetime.

this means, 24 yr old yankee fan, don't lecture me on how great the 1927 Yankees were.
 
2013-02-04 02:32:33 PM
49ers lost  because:
-of how the played up until the brown out
-the ridiculously lame play they called after having 34 mins to come up with a play on 3rd down after the brown out
-the poor play calling & clock management on their final series of the game (including the time out)
-bad special times throughout the game. KR's for TDs, Akers miss (he got a redo), coverage on the final punt, making no legit attempt on the final free kick

A year from now nobody will ever look back at this game and say the 49ers got screwed. In fact, had the 49ers won, the only real debate that would survive the test of time is if the brown out screwed the Ravens.

/Pats fan. Didn't care who wonbut after this I like Raven Harbaugh over 49ers Tantrum Harbaugh
 
2013-02-04 02:32:43 PM

IAmRight: Ah, we all know that photographs are an excellent way to show action.


But they are an excellent way to show a defender who has two handfuls of jersey, one of which is reaching ACROSS THE BODY of the receiver to impede his route.  WITH. A. FISTFUL. OF. JERSEY.

There is zero doubt that is defensive PI.  It's catchable, the ball is in the air and he's got 2 handfuls of jersey while using an armbar to hook the WR.  That is a textbook defensive penalty of Illegal contact if the ball hasn't been thrown or PI if he ball has been thrown and it's catchable.

If you want to argue call or non-call to not decide the game...fine, but arguing that it's not a penalty is ridiculous.

And please, all of you...stop quoting Peter King and other media sheeple who routinely "carry the water" for Goodell and the NFL.  These knuckleheads aren't going to risk their unfettered access to the NFL by saying something the NFL doesn't want said about it's largest game.

And BTW, I can't stand Jim Harbaugh...with a passion do I not like that jackass with his self-inflated ego that I can't actually believe fit inside the Superdome...so if anything I'm on Cloud 9 that his team got jobbed...but that was a defensive penalty without question.
 
2013-02-04 02:34:09 PM

Eegah: MugzyBrown: Eegah: That's what I don't get about this controversy. That ball was definitely uncatchable.

No way.  The ball was very catchable.  The only reason it wasn't catchable was because the receiver was being mugged.. he still got pretty close to it.

I'm not saying the ball was too far away from him, I'm saying the ball was too far out-of-bounds. From the way it looked to me, it appears that the receiver would have needed Inspector Gadget extend-o-arms to reach it, even if he had been standing just inside the sideline at the closest possible point. Perhaps someone could create a 3-D image and show how the receiver could've caught it as some point.


There is absolutely no way that ball could have been caught in bounds.  Hence, the no call.
 
2013-02-04 02:34:18 PM

Droog8912: In my mind, the worst officiating I saw was not ejecting Cary Williams after the 2nd scrum. If you want to let them push and shove, fine, but he shoved an official and was throwing blows. That shiat is uncalled for.


We reran that several times at my house. I'm still gonna be surprised if he doesn't get fined by the league after the fact. After rewatching we decided he was just out of his mind after getting his head slammed against the turf and didn't really notice that the guy he was shoving was a ref.
 
2013-02-04 02:36:32 PM

IAmRight: Dr Dreidel: If he'd won with the Pats in '07, I think more people would have been happy - I certainly would have.

Well, if he'd won the SB but the Pats still went 18-1, it would've been fine.

See, that's the thing about people talking about how it would've been great to have another undefeated team so the Dolphins fans wouldn't be so smug...a) I know two Dolphins fans, and they never bring that up, mostly because it happened before they were alive. b) brings me to the other point - the other time it happened was 1972 - not only are people not really bragging about it now, but anyone who remembers is over halfway to death. I really don't need an entire lifetime of Patriots fans talking about their undefeated season and how theirs was way better than the Dolphins'.


I think an undefeated team - even one with fans as annoying as the Pats' - is a good thing. I find the '72 Dolphins very public champagne-popping to be one of the more annoying sports "traditions" for many of those reasons (happened 40 years ago, takes focus off the current game to put it on themselves, shameless self-promotion, the endless talking about how that team is "the best EVAR" despite the .357 SoS and shorter schedule). YMMV.

CSB: My middle-school softball team was undefeated until the last game of the regular season. After losing that game, we were bucked up by the thought of the next week's playoffs (which we were easily favorited to win) - playoffs which got rained out twice, then cancelled. Not having the rest of that season to "avenge" the loss was a blow to a fragile young ego (and a kid who just wanted to play ball).
 
2013-02-04 02:36:57 PM

born_yesterday: There is absolutely no way that ball could have been caught in bounds. Hence, the no call.


I arguing against blaming the refs, however... if we're talking about the same play the call would be holding, not PI. The ball need not be catchable to call holding or illegal contact after five yards. My point would be sometimes they call it and sometimes they don't.
 
2013-02-04 02:39:06 PM

Dr Dreidel: I find the '72 Dolphins very public champagne-popping to be one of the more annoying sports "traditions" for many of those reasons


What are you gonna do? I just find it quaint and harmless. They played football for a long time before they did it and they've been playing football a long time since. I say let the old guys have their fun.
 
2013-02-04 02:40:22 PM

JohnBigBootay: Droog8912: In my mind, the worst officiating I saw was not ejecting Cary Williams after the 2nd scrum. If you want to let them push and shove, fine, but he shoved an official and was throwing blows. That shiat is uncalled for.

We reran that several times at my house. I'm still gonna be surprised if he doesn't get fined by the league after the fact. After rewatching we decided he was just out of his mind after getting his head slammed against the turf and didn't really notice that the guy he was shoving was a ref.


If I were him, I'd just sign my Super Bowl check over to the league and pray they don't want more money.

That was a two-handed shove by a player who not only did he not make a "oh shiat" face and back pedal and show remorse like you would expect when you realize you just shoved an official...but he even started jawing at the same ref he just shoved.  How does that guy not get thrown out?  At that point you knew the league had told the refs to "do nothing controversial".  What were their 5-10 punches thrown without one flag?

This entire playoff season was poorly officiated.  You can't have this massive gap between how the playoffs are officiated and the regular season.  The NFL needs to get their officiating shiat together and pronto.
 
2013-02-04 02:41:04 PM

Coach_J: IAmRight: Ah, we all know that photographs are an excellent way to show action.

But they are an excellent way to show a defender who has two handfuls of jersey, one of which is reaching ACROSS THE BODY of the receiver to impede his route.  WITH. A. FISTFUL. OF. JERSEY.

There is zero doubt that is defensive PI.  It's catchable, the ball is in the air and he's got 2 handfuls of jersey while using an armbar to hook the WR.  That is a textbook defensive penalty of Illegal contact if the ball hasn't been thrown or PI if he ball has been thrown and it's catchable.

If you want to argue call or non-call to not decide the game...fine, but arguing that it's not a penalty is ridiculous.

And please, all of you...stop quoting Peter King and other media sheeple who routinely "carry the water" for Goodell and the NFL.  These knuckleheads aren't going to risk their unfettered access to the NFL by saying something the NFL doesn't want said about it's largest game.

And BTW, I can't stand Jim Harbaugh...with a passion do I not like that jackass with his self-inflated ego that I can't actually believe fit inside the Superdome...so if anything I'm on Cloud 9 that his team got jobbed...but that was a defensive penalty without question.


Again:

1) Crabtree initiated the contact.  It could have been Offensive PI at that point.
2) Could not have been holding, as the ball was in the air when contact occurred.
3) Crabtree himself disagrees with you., as does Periera and a wide host of people not in Goodell's bucket.
4) The ball was not a catchable pass.
 
2013-02-04 02:44:16 PM

Coach_J: If I were him, I'd just sign my Super Bowl check over to the league and pray they don't want more money.


What's funny is that same ref ( I think) had just gotten up from being creamed at the end of the play (unintentionally I think). Dude had a rough game.
 
2013-02-04 02:49:23 PM

JohnBigBootay: seumasokelly: It was a correct non-call on a play in which there was mutual light interference between Crabtree and the defender during which neither gained a discernable advantage.

I wouldn't go that far. The non-call being 'correct' I mean. That's one of those, 'sometimes they call it and sometimes they don't but either way you have to live with it' calls. If they had called it I wouldn't be saying BULLshiat is what I mean.


Both guys were "givin' 'em the business" on the play. In that sense, I think it's a good non-call. Had Kaepernick not been rushed and flipped the ball to far, I think Crabtree makes the catch after the defender falls down and Baltimore is raving about an OPI call there (if they went on to lose).
 
2013-02-04 02:52:13 PM

JohnBigBootay: Dr Dreidel: I find the '72 Dolphins very public champagne-popping to be one of the more annoying sports "traditions" for many of those reasons

What are you gonna do? I just find it quaint and harmless. They played football for a long time before they did it and they've been playing football a long time since. I say let the old guys have their fun.


On the list of things that annoy me about the NFL, it's #809,708,746,740,967 - right below "won't let me be a TE". The sportsmedia's pathological need to mention it wherever and whenever they can is far more grating.
 
2013-02-04 02:52:50 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Coach_J: IAmRight: Ah, we all know that photographs are an excellent way to show action.

But they are an excellent way to show a defender who has two handfuls of jersey, one of which is reaching ACROSS THE BODY of the receiver to impede his route.  WITH. A. FISTFUL. OF. JERSEY.

There is zero doubt that is defensive PI.  It's catchable, the ball is in the air and he's got 2 handfuls of jersey while using an armbar to hook the WR.  That is a textbook defensive penalty of Illegal contact if the ball hasn't been thrown or PI if he ball has been thrown and it's catchable.

If you want to argue call or non-call to not decide the game...fine, but arguing that it's not a penalty is ridiculous.

And please, all of you...stop quoting Peter King and other media sheeple who routinely "carry the water" for Goodell and the NFL.  These knuckleheads aren't going to risk their unfettered access to the NFL by saying something the NFL doesn't want said about it's largest game.

And BTW, I can't stand Jim Harbaugh...with a passion do I not like that jackass with his self-inflated ego that I can't actually believe fit inside the Superdome...so if anything I'm on Cloud 9 that his team got jobbed...but that was a defensive penalty without question.

Again:

1) Crabtree initiated the contact.  It could have been Offensive PI at that point.
2) Could not have been holding, as the ball was in the air when contact occurred.
3) Crabtree himself disagrees with you., as does Periera and a wide host of people not in Goodell's bucket.
4) The ball was not a catchable pass.


1)  My quote was "there is zero doubt this is defensive PI".
2)  Whether or not the WR initiated the contact is irrelevant to the call of defensive PI or not.
3)  The ball was easily catchable and since neither ref didn't indicate that the ball was not catchable as they are required to do by rule, you are wrong as usual.
4)  And if you think for one second the ex-VP of NFL officiating isn't carrying the water for the NFL, you are a bigger idiot than I thought.

Which is pretty impossible since I think you are clearly one of the biggest idiots on this site.

Well done...it's pretty hard to fit that much stupid into such a succinct post like that...very impressive.
 
2013-02-04 02:59:59 PM

Dr Dreidel: On the list of things that annoy me about the NFL, it's #809,708,746,740,967 - right below "won't let me be a TE". The sportsmedia's pathological need to mention it wherever and whenever they can is far more grating.


Fair enough. I have my own list - one of the top ones is the recycled stuff about bye weeks. If you win, you were well rested and healthy. If you lose, you were rusty. And I never, ever, ever want to hear about a disadvantage for travel in football. Home field is home field of course.... but I really don't want to hear about a disadvantage for one trip a week - at most. On a charter in an oversized leather seat when you have your training staff, masseuse, psychologist, and personal dietician waiting at the other end of your limo ride.
 
2013-02-04 03:04:06 PM

Coach_J: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Coach_J: IAmRight: Ah, we all know that photographs are an excellent way to show action.

But they are an excellent way to show a defender who has two handfuls of jersey, one of which is reaching ACROSS THE BODY of the receiver to impede his route.  WITH. A. FISTFUL. OF. JERSEY.

There is zero doubt that is defensive PI.  It's catchable, the ball is in the air and he's got 2 handfuls of jersey while using an armbar to hook the WR.  That is a textbook defensive penalty of Illegal contact if the ball hasn't been thrown or PI if he ball has been thrown and it's catchable.

If you want to argue call or non-call to not decide the game...fine, but arguing that it's not a penalty is ridiculous.

And please, all of you...stop quoting Peter King and other media sheeple who routinely "carry the water" for Goodell and the NFL.  These knuckleheads aren't going to risk their unfettered access to the NFL by saying something the NFL doesn't want said about it's largest game.

And BTW, I can't stand Jim Harbaugh...with a passion do I not like that jackass with his self-inflated ego that I can't actually believe fit inside the Superdome...so if anything I'm on Cloud 9 that his team got jobbed...but that was a defensive penalty without question.

Again:

1) Crabtree initiated the contact.  It could have been Offensive PI at that point.
2) Could not have been holding, as the ball was in the air when contact occurred.
3) Crabtree himself disagrees with you., as does Periera and a wide host of people not in Goodell's bucket.
4) The ball was not a catchable pass.

1)  My quote was "there is zero doubt this is defensive PI".
2)  Whether or not the WR initiated the contact is irrelevant to the call of defensive PI or not.
3)  The ball was easily catchable and since neither ref didn't indicate that the ball was not catchable as they are required to do by rule, you are wrong as usual.
4)  And if you think for one second the ex-VP of NFL officiating isn't carrying the w ...


1) ...or offensive PI (the defensive holding could not be a penalty, as the ball was in the air when the contact started)
2) the offensive player initiating the contact means the call could go either way.  Could the ref have penalized the Ravens?  Sure, but then he'd have to explain why Crabtree was pushing the CB down by the face.  Hence, no call.  It was contact, and jockeying, and it happens in every NFL game, and it goes unpenalized in every NFL game.
3) the ball landed out of bounds by a good yard and was in a high arc.  Uncatchable, and the refs didn't need to rule it that way, because they never threw the flag.  They signaled incomplete, which was appropriate.  Crabtree said as much.
4) you overlooked Crabtree stating that the ball was too high and was basically uncatchable.  But I guess that Crabtree carries water for Goodell, too, right?

What is stupid is arguing this call.  It was a good non-call, and everyone except 49er fans seem to understand that.  What is stupid is whining and complaining about one call when a) both teams got away with murder, and b) the 49ers sucked for three quarters.
 
2013-02-04 03:04:54 PM

Coach_J: Which is pretty impossible since I think you are clearly one of the biggest idiots on this site.

Well done...it's pretty hard to fit that much stupid into such a succinct post like that...very impressive.


Internet Tough Guy, too!  I know for a fact Chris Culliver won't sleep with you.
 
2013-02-04 03:05:30 PM

JohnBigBootay: Dr Dreidel: On the list of things that annoy me about the NFL, it's #809,708,746,740,967 - right below "won't let me be a TE". The sportsmedia's pathological need to mention it wherever and whenever they can is far more grating.

Fair enough. I have my own list - one of the top ones is the recycled stuff about bye weeks. If you win, you were well rested and healthy. If you lose, you were rusty. And I never, ever, ever want to hear about a disadvantage for travel in football. Home field is home field of course.... but I really don't want to hear about a disadvantage for one trip a week - at most. On a charter in an oversized leather seat when you have your training staff, masseuse, psychologist, and personal dietician waiting at the other end of your limo ride.


And they travel at least a day in advance. Anyone who's ever had to be at work after a redeye the night before laughs at the NFL's requirement that teams sleep in the city they're playing in the next day.

// for non-London games, the worst you'd get is 3-hour jet-lag
// fark, I bet they could fly 'em in at 6pm the night before a 1pm start without too much headache
// they may need to cut the 30th Sunday morning meeting, though if that was the case ("but that's the one where we talk about strategy in the 4th quarter if we're within 5 points with less than 3 timeouts and under 7:46 to play!")
 
2013-02-04 03:06:48 PM
JohnBigBootay:  And I never, ever, ever want to hear about a disadvantage for travel in football.

Well....(sorry)...the travel advantage does exist for teams traveling cross country.  I can't look up the figures now, but the home team appears to win a statistically significant amount of the time.  Nobody gives a crap about traveling from Boston to Miami, but Boston to San Diego (and vice versa) is another matter with the large time zone changes and an individual's circadian rhythm.  That is the only real travel advantage beyond the crowds.  Anybody suggesting something beyond that is an idiot or ESPN writer.  But I repeat myself.
 
2013-02-04 03:11:09 PM

Droog8912: JohnBigBootay:  And I never, ever, ever want to hear about a disadvantage for travel in football.

Well....(sorry)...the travel advantage does exist for teams traveling cross country.  I can't look up the figures now, but the home team appears to win a statistically significant amount of the time.  Nobody gives a crap about traveling from Boston to Miami, but Boston to San Diego (and vice versa) is another matter with the large time zone changes and an individual's circadian rhythm.  That is the only real travel advantage beyond the crowds.  Anybody suggesting something beyond that is an idiot or ESPN writer.  But I repeat myself.


Yep, the NFL did some research and changed most of the West Coast to East Coast times to the afternoon/evening when they could.  The percentage in win/loss for that situation was a huge favor to the East Coast teams.
 
2013-02-04 03:16:43 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Yep, the NFL did some research and changed most of the West Coast to East Coast times to the afternoon/evening when they could.  The percentage in win/loss for that situation was a huge favor to the East Coast teams.


And for the record, it's not like we're saying that it's completely unfair or that our teams were cheated because of it. I (at least in the case of the Seattle vs Atlanta game) just question the whole thing of "If you know that picking this time for these teams is going to result in even more of an advantage for the home team, why would you schedule it that way?"

And I'm told that they set the schedule weeks in advance based on seeds...I really don't think it's a problem for people to switch days off or whatever for a home playoff game. "Whoa, I'm not going to reschedule the babysitter for a different time! I'm going to have to pass up this game I spent hundreds of dollars for tickets for!"
 
2013-02-04 03:18:43 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Coach_J: Which is pretty impossible since I think you are clearly one of the biggest idiots on this site.

Well done...it's pretty hard to fit that much stupid into such a succinct post like that...very impressive.

Internet Tough Guy, too!  I know for a fact Chris Culliver won't sleep with you.


How does calling you "one of the biggest idiots on this site" make me an ITG?

BTW, if the ref uses the justification of "uncatchable" as to why he's not calling PI, he HAS to signal that by putting his palm above his head.  As you'll notice, no such call was given, thus once again, you are wrong.

They didn't make the call, because they "swallowed their whistles".  Not catchable had ZERO bearing on why the call was made or not.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2012 %2 0-%20Rule%20Book.pdf
 
2013-02-04 03:24:21 PM

Coach_J: They didn't make the call, because they "swallowed their whistles".  Not catchable had ZERO bearing on why the call was made or not.


Given that the 49ers were IN the Super Bowl because those plays don't get called (.gif above), tough to take complaints from them seriously.
 
2013-02-04 03:25:45 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Coach_J: Which is pretty impossible since I think you are clearly one of the biggest idiots on this site.

Well done...it's pretty hard to fit that much stupid into such a succinct post like that...very impressive.

Internet Tough Guy, too!  I know for a fact Chris Culliver won't sleep with you.



Yeah, see, an ITG is someone who threatens someone, not insults them.  In this, as in most things, you prove to be ignorant.
 
2013-02-04 03:51:50 PM

Droog8912: I can't look up the figures now, but the home team appears to win a statistically significant amount of the time.


Home field advantage definitely exists. But that equals out. Everyone travels half the time.
 
2013-02-04 03:54:02 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Yep, the NFL did some research and changed most of the West Coast to East Coast times to the afternoon/evening when they could. The percentage in win/loss for that situation was a huge favor to the East Coast teams.


Heh. Wait until they calculate the statistical disadvantage in your team being named "the cleveland browns". That one is going to be tough to negate with schedule changes.
 
2013-02-04 04:03:41 PM

JohnBigBootay: Heh. Wait until they calculate the statistical disadvantage in your team being named "the cleveland browns". That one is going to be tough to negate with schedule changes.


They could make the opposing team walk through Cleveland before the game, or just drive them around the state.  They might feel bad enough for the Browns to throw the game.

JohnBigBootay: Home field advantage definitely exists. But that equals out. Everyone travels half the time.


I meant specifically the Coast-to-Coast travel provided a ridiculous advantage to the tune of something like 70% for the home team.  Circadian rhythms ain't nothin' to fark with.  Had to change the scheduling of games as a result, iirc.
 
2013-02-04 04:14:56 PM

Coach_J: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Coach_J: Which is pretty impossible since I think you are clearly one of the biggest idiots on this site.

Well done...it's pretty hard to fit that much stupid into such a succinct post like that...very impressive.

Internet Tough Guy, too!  I know for a fact Chris Culliver won't sleep with you.

How does calling you "one of the biggest idiots on this site" make me an ITG?

BTW, if the ref uses the justification of "uncatchable" as to why he's not calling PI, he HAS to signal that by putting his palm above his head.  As you'll notice, no such call was given, thus once again, you are wrong.

They didn't make the call, because they "swallowed their whistles".  Not catchable had ZERO bearing on why the call was made or not.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2012 %2 0-%20Rule%20Book.pdf


Sigh.  For someone who claims I'm wrong, you seem to be terribly confused.  Defensive holding can only be called if the CB takes contact beyond five yards, and if the QB still has the ball.  Both of these failed, so we rely only on PI calls.  So, tell me how the CB did worse than Crabtree in this regard.  They were both equally grabbing and pulling.

Crabtree also said the ball was thrown too high to catch.  I have seen plenty of instance where the ball was uncatchable (almost every throwaway pass) where they didn't do the motion.  They only do it if players are disputing PI.  I would guess had Crabtree started arguing, they would have signaled it.  Even if the ball was still catchable, I still want to know how it is not O PI, what with Crabtree pushing Smith down by the face.
 
2013-02-04 04:15:53 PM

downtownkid: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Coach_J: Which is pretty impossible since I think you are clearly one of the biggest idiots on this site.

Well done...it's pretty hard to fit that much stupid into such a succinct post like that...very impressive.

Internet Tough Guy, too!  I know for a fact Chris Culliver won't sleep with you.


Yeah, see, an ITG is someone who threatens someone, not insults them.  In this, as in most things, you prove to be ignorant.


Oh, sorry.  I guess instead of an ITG, we should just call someone who insults people through the anonymity of the internet over a non-call in a football game a pussy.  Better?
 
2013-02-04 04:16:01 PM

Droog8912: I meant specifically the Coast-to-Coast travel provided a ridiculous advantage to the tune of something like 70% for the home team. Circadian rhythms ain't nothin' to fark with. Had to change the scheduling of games as a result, iirc.


That's a fair point. If there's a big enough sample to be statistically significant over a long enough period of time then I'm not going to try to pick a fight with math.
 
2013-02-04 04:19:14 PM

JohnBigBootay: That's a fair point. If there's a big enough sample to be statistically significant over a long enough period of time then I'm not going to try to pick a fight with math.


It's not really that bad as long as you play the games in the middle hours - it only becomes a big effect when it's a West coast team playing at 10 am PST or an east coast team playing a game that starts at 8-9 pm EST.
 
2013-02-04 04:35:16 PM

IAmRight: it only becomes a big effect when it's a West coast team playing at 10 am PST or an east coast team playing a game that starts at 8-9 pm EST.



i wonder what the 10-yr record of East Coast time zone teams is in the SNF/MNF 6PM california (or arizona) time slot is.
 
2013-02-04 05:45:21 PM

rickythepenguin: i wonder what the 10-yr record of East Coast time zone teams is in the SNF/MNF 6PM california (or arizona) time slot is.


I found this.  http://deadspin.com/5934440/the-circadian-advantage-how-sleep-pattern s -benefit-certain-nfl-teams

Don't really have the actual numbers, but apparently the trip doesn't matter so much as the fact that it's late in the day for ESTers. This was over 25 years, MNF only:

"When an East Coast team traveled to another destination within its same time zone, it won 45 percent of the time. But if a team from the East Coast played somewhere in the Pacific time zone, its winning percentage shrunk to only 29 percent. "
 
2013-02-04 06:02:47 PM

4NTLRZ: Is it just me or did that game show just what a biatch Karma is for Chris Culliver? That dude got torched at every turn.

Funny that for such a homophobe, Culliver had no problem letting guys get behind him all night long.


The best part of the evening, for me, was when Culliver pushed Sam Koch out of bounds for the safety.  He taunted a punter. . .after an intentional safety. . .with only 4 seconds left before he lost the superb owl.

Jackass
 
2013-02-04 07:01:43 PM

Broktun: superb owl


That's a sweet typo.
 
2013-02-04 07:42:15 PM

kronicfeld: Droog8912: Correct; imo, it'd make more sense to call an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty (as a palpably unfair act)

What is "palpably unfair" about it? It's a hold. There's already a rule covering it. The rule you cite is intended to give the refs a remedy if, say, Harbaugh runs off the sideline and tackles Jacoby Jones at the one yard line during his punt return.


LOL thank you for that mental picture. I'm dying here.
 
2013-02-04 11:28:33 PM

SuperSeriousMan: While Ray Lewis maintains he didn't kill the lights, he did admit he was there when it happened.


Oh come ON! No love for this one?!?!
 
2013-02-05 10:12:56 PM

unyon: So that's what it takes to get America to pay attention to New Orleans' crumbling infrastructure.


My thought was along the lines of how it was a perfect metaphor for the US today: a glitzy shell on a crumbling crust, drooled over by billions who thinks since it looks good on the outside, it's gotta be great, right?
 
2013-02-06 05:35:06 PM

ten foiled hats: p the boiler: someone should let Frank Gore Willis McGahee know so he can forget about his knee being blown up


Damnit - I had the super bowl on my brain
 
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