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2013-02-04 01:02:28 PM
At one time, I thought it quite convenient that the Patriots won the Super Bowl just after 9/11. But then I reflected on the Yankees losing to the DBacks that same year and the fact that I just plain don't like the Patriots.

/Bills fan
//painfully
 
2013-02-04 01:06:13 PM
Corruption in European soccer? Inconceivable.
 
2013-02-04 01:08:36 PM
I don't doubt it. In Malaysia, the score of a game abandoned at halftime counts for betting purposes. So back in the 1990's, there would be an EPL game that went into the second half, and right as someone saw a score they liked, out went the lights.
 
2013-02-04 01:09:30 PM
the refs favored the Ravens by a wide margin
 
2013-02-04 01:13:34 PM
Boy, it sure seemed like a lot of calls were made (or not made) to make sure we had a 'Harbowl'.
 
2013-02-04 01:14:38 PM
Uh, did subby not watch the last 3 minutes of the game?
 
2013-02-04 01:18:26 PM
My favorite team lost, therefore the officiating was clearly biased and directly impacted the final outcome.
 
2013-02-04 01:25:28 PM
I'm pretty sure that the power outage was connected to the blowout situation on the field... Las Vegas came calling.

/Not a fan of either team, but that shiat was rigged.
 
2013-02-04 01:28:47 PM
It wasn't vegas this time. Mercedes didn't want the new corvette to be aired on tv so they cut the power to push back the after game ceremonies. That's the most logical theory behind "infrastructure in NOLA sucks"
 
2013-02-04 01:34:23 PM
The Champions League match played in the last 3-4 years in the UK that is mentioned in the article is almost certainly the 2009 semifinal second leg between Chelsea and Barcelona, where several clear penalties committed by Barca in the box were waived off by Norwegian ref Tom Henning Ovrebo. Barca scored in added time to level the match, 1-1, and secure their place in the final on away goals (the first leg at the Camp Nou having been a scoreless draw). There was considerable hubbub about the game and questions raised about both Ovrebo's decision-making and his suitability for refereeing such an important match, and he would face further scrutiny for poor decisions he made in the following 12 months or so before he retired from taking part in international matches.

Barca would go on to beat Manchester United, 2-0, in the final in Rome later that month.

/Man Utd supporter
//hate Chelsea, but United would've stood a better chance against them
 
2013-02-04 01:36:50 PM
Subby is being naive.
 
2013-02-04 01:40:33 PM

NakedReporta: The Champions League match played in the last 3-4 years in the UK that is mentioned in the article is almost certainly the 2009 semifinal second leg between Chelsea and Barcelona, where several clear penalties committed by Barca in the box were waived off by Norwegian ref Tom Henning Ovrebo. Barca scored in added time to level the match, 1-1, and secure their place in the final on away goals (the first leg at the Camp Nou having been a scoreless draw). There was considerable hubbub about the game and questions raised about both Ovrebo's decision-making and his suitability for refereeing such an important match, and he would face further scrutiny for poor decisions he made in the following 12 months or so before he retired from taking part in international matches.

Barca would go on to beat Manchester United, 2-0, in the final in Rome later that month.

/Man Utd supporter
//hate Chelsea, but United would've stood a better chance against them


You are deluded.

The game is probably Arsenal 5-1 Shaktar.

Bribing refs is very inefficient, they dont have a big of a role in a match as you would think.

Easier to bribe a goalie into some dodgy keeping
 
2013-02-04 01:46:08 PM
At least NFL fans are reassured their games weren't fixed?


Bhahahahahhahaha! How cute!

/pinches cheek of submitter
 
2013-02-04 01:47:33 PM
Not so fast...

So as mentioned up top, the team with the most jingoistic name, the Patriots just "happen" to win the SB the year of 9/11, on the back of a FAMOUSLY sketchy call (snow bowl tuck rule play).  Fast forward to the Saints just "happening" to win the SB just a few years after Katrina devastated the city.  Add into this little "coincidence" that the Saints won the NFC championship when Brett Favre, who we now know to be a total scumbag and EXACTLY the kind of guy who would take a giant bag of money, just "happens" to throw an interception in overtime on a throw that didn't make sense o even the Saints defense.  Next, fast forward to last year, where the prediction is made that if the patriots and Giants meet in the SB, it could up end up being the highest rated tv event ever.  Lo and behold, who just "happens" to end up the the big game, which does end up being the highest rated ever.  Finally, you have this year, where the league knew that a "bro vs. bro" match up in the SB was the best option the league had for a high-rated SB with the teams that were in the playoffs, and who just happens to make it...
 
2013-02-04 01:48:18 PM

NakedReporta: The Champions League match played in the last 3-4 years in the UK that is mentioned in the article is almost certainly the 2009 semifinal second leg between Chelsea and Barcelona, where several clear penalties committed by Barca in the box were waived off by Norwegian ref Tom Henning Ovrebo. Barca scored in added time to level the match, 1-1, and secure their place in the final on away goals (the first leg at the Camp Nou having been a scoreless draw). There was considerable hubbub about the game and questions raised about both Ovrebo's decision-making and his suitability for refereeing such an important match, and he would face further scrutiny for poor decisions he made in the following 12 months or so before he retired from taking part in international matches.

Barca would go on to beat Manchester United, 2-0, in the final in Rome later that month.

/Man Utd supporter
//hate Chelsea, but United would've stood a better chance against them


That was the match I was thinking about as well when I heard about this. I'm sure there were a bunch of people who didn't want to see a rematch of United v. Chelsea from 08.
/Chelsea supporter
//Would have loved a Chelsea v United final
 
2013-02-04 01:50:29 PM
Didn't have a dog in the hunt for the SuperBowl this year, but after watching the last, oh, 2.5 minutes of the game or so, I can't see how anyone doubts the ending was rigged in favor of Baltimore.
 
2013-02-04 01:52:44 PM
The games aren't fixed?  I don't think the Ravens' secondary drew a flag the entire postseason, despite holding the Broncos' receivers arms on nearly every play in their game.  They got a touchdown, which ended up being the difference in the game, by holding the tight end's arms behind him so the ball bounced off and to their other defensive back for a pick 6.  And on the other side of the ball, dbs are flagged for playing the ball if the Ravens' receivers don't catch it.  I don't know if they paid for this favoritism, but it was definitely there.
 
2013-02-04 01:54:35 PM
How did this thread become a Super Bowl conspiracy thread? There are other threads for that. Leave this one for the soccer conspiracists. Thank you.
 
2013-02-04 01:54:36 PM
This explains Liverpool's lack of recent European trophys......right?
 
2013-02-04 01:55:23 PM

NakedReporta: The Champions League match played in the last 3-4 years in the UK that is mentioned in the article is almost certainly the 2009 semifinal second leg between Chelsea and Barcelona, where several clear penalties committed by Barca in the box were waived off by Norwegian ref Tom Henning Ovrebo. Barca scored in added time to level the match, 1-1, and secure their place in the final on away goals (the first leg at the Camp Nou having been a scoreless draw). There was considerable hubbub about the game and questions raised about both Ovrebo's decision-making and his suitability for refereeing such an important match, and he would face further scrutiny for poor decisions he made in the following 12 months or so before he retired from taking part in international matches.

Barca would go on to beat Manchester United, 2-0, in the final in Rome later that month.

/Man Utd supporter
//hate Chelsea, but United would've stood a better chance against them


This must absolutely be true. That was a travesty of a game.

/farking disgrace.
 
2013-02-04 01:57:50 PM

Tarl3k: Not so fast...

So as mentioned up top, the team with the most jingoistic name, the Patriots just "happen" to win the SB the year of 9/11, on the back of a FAMOUSLY sketchy call (snow bowl tuck rule play).  Fast forward to the Saints just "happening" to win the SB just a few years after Katrina devastated the city.  Add into this little "coincidence" that the Saints won the NFC championship when Brett Favre, who we now know to be a total scumbag and EXACTLY the kind of guy who would take a giant bag of money, just "happens" to throw an interception in overtime on a throw that didn't make sense o even the Saints defense.  Next, fast forward to last year, where the prediction is made that if the patriots and Giants meet in the SB, it could up end up being the highest rated tv event ever.  Lo and behold, who just "happens" to end up the the big game, which does end up being the highest rated ever.  Finally, you have this year, where the league knew that a "bro vs. bro" match up in the SB was the best option the league had for a high-rated SB with the teams that were in the playoffs, and who just happens to make it...


Well I'm convinced. The NFL is clearly fixing games and only you, random Fark poster, were able to realize it.

/I particularly like the Saints winning the SB "just a few years" after Katrina...why not that year? Too obvious? It's all so simple when you think it out.
//the league could have had a Har-bowl last year too, wonder why they waited an extra year? Or why they just didn't have Tom Brady beat the Ravens? Or why conspiracy theorists are so farking stupid?
 
2013-02-04 02:00:13 PM
Faddy: You are deluded.

The game is probably Arsenal 5-1 Shaktar.

Bribing refs is very inefficient, they dont have a big of a role in a match as you would think.

Easier to bribe a goalie into some dodgy keeping


I can see where you're coming from on that (Grobelaar comes to mind), but I disagree. The Chelsea/Barca game in '09 truly was a farce. And I'm no Chelsea fan. They got flat out robbed. And there are other games Ovrebo was involved with that can be pointed to for similar oddities leading up to his "retirement" from international matches (this after being among the finalists for selection to represent Europe in the 2010 World Cup). There's a stink on Ovrebo, I assure you.
 
2013-02-04 02:05:49 PM

Gosling: I don't doubt it. In Malaysia, the score of a game abandoned at halftime counts for betting purposes. So back in the 1990's, there would be an EPL game that went into the second half, and right as someone saw a score they liked, out went the lights.


That game was Crystal Palace / West Ham. Once Frank Lampard tied the game, the lights went out shortly afterwards. One of the soccer commentators in Canada was in that game and was talking about it on Saturday when the Fulham / Man United game lights went out.
 
2013-02-04 02:07:57 PM

ScouserDuck: This explains Liverpool's lack of recent European trophys......right?


I've got an interesting theory on that one, though you probably don't want to here it from a United supporter. The introduction of the back pass rule in '92. You guys used to abuse the hell out of that rule, like some sort of lazy Catenaccio in the waning minutes of every match. Hell, Grobelaar was renowned for it, when he wasn't busy fixing matches.
 
2013-02-04 02:08:57 PM
I got news for subby. EVERY sport is fixing games. Do you not remember the NBA scandal... how about last night.. pretty convenient that the lights went out to save the game from being a complete massacre.. and their explanation afterwards is basically ?magical beans broke it!?


EVERY Sport is fixed to maximize the entertainment dollars and gambling profits.
 
2013-02-04 02:10:18 PM

Tarl3k: Fast forward to the Saints just "happening" to win the SB just a few years after Katrina devastated the city. Add into this little "coincidence" that the Saints won the NFC championship when Brett Favre, who we now know to be a total scumbag and EXACTLY the kind of guy who would take a giant bag of money, just "happens" to throw an interception in overtime on a throw that didn't make sense o even the Saints defense.


If that was rigged, they would've rigged the Saints/Bears NFC Championship Game and what would've been Saints/Colts in the SB the year directly after Katrina.  And Brett Favre "just happened" to throw interceptions at the end of lots of games, big and small, lol.
 
2013-02-04 02:10:35 PM
Nara were favoured to win that game, a draw would have seen them through. What was the bet a 1-1 draw? Hardly remarkable and very difficult to orchestrate even with the referee on board. You would need players on both sides in on it.

I doubt a game was fixed that required a last minute goal. I'm sure large betting syndicates like drama.


Fixed matches are more liable to be high scoring one sided games.
 
2013-02-04 02:11:35 PM
Nara = Barca

Auto correct fail
 
2013-02-04 02:16:10 PM
js34603:

Well I'm convinced. The NFL is clearly fixing games and only you, random Fark poster, were able to realize it.


I think you might be surprised at how many people realize it. Most just don't really care.

/It's just a game
 
2013-02-04 02:19:21 PM
The refs just let them play in the last 49ers drive. Also, that last pass was uncatchable anyway.

/Ducks
 
2013-02-04 02:20:07 PM

poisonedpawn78: I got news for subby. EVERY sport is fixing games. Do you not remember the NBA scandal... how about last night.. pretty convenient that the lights went out to save the game from being a complete massacre.. and their explanation afterwards is basically ?magical beans broke it!?


EVERY Sport is fixed to maximize the entertainment dollars and gambling profits.


Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
 
2013-02-04 02:21:35 PM
And then there's just letting 'em have it in the Katrina season itself instead of the 3-13 mess that the '05 season was...there's a lot of things a 1) really ballsy or 2) batshiat crazy Tagliabue/Goodell could've done besides book them to win it in 2009 for some reason, heh.
 
2013-02-04 02:30:52 PM
Team Sports in order from easiest to fix to hardest.

Basketball (you don't have to lose the game just not beat the pointspread)
Soccer -- goalie misses one or two
Hockey/Lacrosse -- Goalie misses one  or two
Football -- Bad QB's can be replaced so you have to buy several
Baseball -- You need a pitcher and some infielders unless you are Hal Chase. In that case you can rig games all by yourself
 
2013-02-04 02:31:52 PM

Faddy: Nara were favoured to win that game, a draw would have seen them through. What was the bet a 1-1 draw? Hardly remarkable and very difficult to orchestrate even with the referee on board. You would need players on both sides in on it.

I doubt a game was fixed that required a last minute goal. I'm sure large betting syndicates like drama.

Fixed matches are more liable to be high scoring one sided games.



Actually, no, Chelsea were favored. It's possible that the objective was just to keep the game within a certain scoreline, or that certain parameters needed to be met within the game. Barca's Abidal picked up a questionable red card in the game, and Alves got a yellow that kept him out of the final. Could've been line bets on a player being sent off, or a team scoring down to 10 men, where the ref can't control the final outcome, but can create an environment conducive to such an event. No penalties were called; there could've been a line bet on that. There's lots of things beyond the final scoreline that could come into play if the fix was on, and that game was odder than most.
 
2013-02-04 02:39:23 PM
NakedReporta:
/Man Utd supporter
//hate Chelsea, but United would've stood a better chance against them


Why do you hate Chelsea and support Manchester United?  I'm genuinely curious because I don't understand sports team fandom at all.  I don't get it.  And would love a fan's take.
 
2013-02-04 02:45:00 PM
In the US, its not fixed games, just shiatty officiating.

/honestly dont know which one is worse
 
2013-02-04 02:46:52 PM
that power outage sure didn't turn the game around or anything.
 
2013-02-04 02:47:09 PM

Tarl3k: Not so fast...

So as mentioned up top, the team with the most jingoistic name, the Patriots just "happen" to win the SB the year of 9/11, on the back of a FAMOUSLY sketchy call (snow bowl tuck rule play).  Fast forward to the Saints just "happening" to win the SB just a few years after Katrina devastated the city.  Add into this little "coincidence" that the Saints won the NFC championship when Brett Favre, who we now know to be a total scumbag and EXACTLY the kind of guy who would take a giant bag of money, just "happens" to throw an interception in overtime on a throw that didn't make sense o even the Saints defense.  Next, fast forward to last year, where the prediction is made that if the patriots and Giants meet in the SB, it could up end up being the highest rated tv event ever.  Lo and behold, who just "happens" to end up the the big game, which does end up being the highest rated ever.  Finally, you have this year, where the league knew that a "bro vs. bro" match up in the SB was the best option the league had for a high-rated SB with the teams that were in the playoffs, and who just happens to make it...



Da Seahawks wuz ROBBED!!!
 
2013-02-04 02:52:43 PM

SuperChuck: poisonedpawn78: I got news for subby. EVERY sport is fixing games. Do you not remember the NBA scandal... how about last night.. pretty convenient that the lights went out to save the game from being a complete massacre.. and their explanation afterwards is basically ?magical beans broke it!?


EVERY Sport is fixed to maximize the entertainment dollars and gambling profits.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity


The mating call of the sheeple!
 
2013-02-04 02:57:36 PM
Can i blame Sepp Blatter for this too?
 
2013-02-04 03:00:07 PM
Sorry subby...the NFL is fixed too.
 
2013-02-04 03:07:00 PM
If the NFL is fixed then who do I have to bribe for a Bears SB win next year? And how much?

/you guys wanna pool some cash together?
 
2013-02-04 03:18:38 PM

maverickzy: Why do you hate Chelsea and support Manchester United?  I'm genuinely curious because I don't understand sports team fandom at all.  I don't get it.  And would love a fan's take.


You hate another team because that team is competing against yours. You can hate them for a result that may have cost you in the past. It could be something their fans do to disrespect or insult your fans. Fandome is a community, it's a group of people who believe and support in the same thing. in this case it's a team. For many of us, we grew up with friends and making new friends, supporting that team, so it becomes a tight group. When another group insults that group, it creates that hatred.

 It could be a personal hatred too. For instance, there's no hiding that Man Utd hate Liverpool supporters, but mine is quite personal. I was beaten up by a bunch of scousers when I was 8 years old, I could never remember their face, but one had a Liverpool shirt on. That's all I remember. Now when I see that shirt, it reminds me of that time. Yes, I've been in tons of fights involving Liverpool fans, but that sticks out because I was on my own, and at that time, I didn't have any hatred towards a group of people, that was my first.
 
2013-02-04 03:35:26 PM
The only fix I saw was the safety that ruined the 3.5 point spread.
 
2013-02-04 03:38:26 PM
Everyone in this thread who thinks EVERY outcome is some sort of rigging conspiracy just has a personality that sees an conspiracy in every situation... Logical or not, they're going to see what they want to see.

/Don't try arguing with them
//fark conspiracy theories
///And the people who perpetrate them against all logic
 
2013-02-04 03:38:38 PM

maverickzy: Why do you hate Chelsea and support Manchester United?  I'm genuinely curious because I don't understand sports team fandom at all.  I don't get it.  And would love a fan's take.


Well, in most cases, it's a geographic or familiar thing.

Baseball: Started as a Reds fan in the mid-'70s because my mom was one. Switch allegiance to the Mets because I lived in northern New Jersey. When we moved to St. Louis, I followed the Cardinals for a few years. Switched back to the Mets in '83 when we moved back east and the Cardinals traded Keith Hernandez (one of my favorite players) to the Mets.

Football: Began following football in the late '70s while living in St. Louis, when the Cardinals were there. I moved, they moved, and they're still my team despite horrible ownership and a couple of dark years where Buddy Ryan (whom I loathe) was the head coach.

Hockey: Began as a Blues fan, but switched to the Flyers when we moved to eastern PA in '83.

Basketball: Could care less.

Soccer: So this one is odd. I began playing soccer at a young age. In the mid-'70s you could watch English and German games on tape delay on WNET, NYC's PBS affiliate. I was a Beatles fan, so I started following Liverpool for the first few months. I was too young to realize there was a second club based in Liverpool (Everton). I also didn't realize that Manchester was in close proximity to Liverpool, and that Manchester United was their fiercest rival. I switched allegiance sometime around '75 or '76 when I found out the Munich air crash in 1958 (which saw several United players killed) happened on my birthday (Feb. 6). I'd only been following Liverpool for a few months, and was unaware of the back history and animus, and so I jumped. It's as simple and as convoluted as that.

So there's lots of weird and wacky reasons why one picks a club. Geographic and familiar attachments are the most common, but I know one guy who roots for the Vikings solely because when he was young, purple was his favorite color. At the end of the day, though, you have to feel an affinity for a given club.
 
2013-02-04 03:49:40 PM
I'm telling you, it was Visa! They had two main ads. One was with Ray Lewis (at the start if the season) and one with the 49'ers as a team (at the start of the playoffs).

It's a conspiracy
 
2013-02-04 03:58:08 PM
Schalke vs Hapoel Tel Aviv in the Champions League recently was fixed, you could tell by the betting markets at the time.

I doubt high profile games like Chelsea vs Barcelona and other knock-out games were fixed. The ones to look for are group stage games involving Turkish/Eastern European teams. And the fix might not even be the final result, it could be stuff like allowing a goal to be conceded in the first 10 minutes, conceding more than 6 corners in the game, a player to be sent off in the 2nd half etc.

I've no doubt that leagues such as Italy, Russia and other minor leagues in Europe are rife with this kind of thing though. You can tell quite easily sometimes if you bet in-play - I think there was a qualifying game between Luxembourg and Albania last year where Albania were 1-0 up and people were inexplicably piling on Luxembourg to win with good odds. Final result: 2-1 Luxembourg. There was also an Italian end of season game which had an unusally high number of bets on a draw/tie. One team was awarded a penalty late in the game, which the player missed by blazing it over the bar. Final score: 0-0.

They've been getting away with it because nobody really gives a shiat about Luxembourg vs Albania, Schalke vs Hapoel, a meaningless end of season Italian game etc - it goes under the radar. Until now, it seems. I bet there are a few players on these types of teams who'll have a sleepless night tonight.
 
2013-02-04 04:05:15 PM

Gonz: Corruption in European soccer? Inconceivable.


This is farking disgraceful.  How dare Europol besmirch the good name of match officials.  Those honest gentlemen (in every sense of the word) would never dream of doing such a thing.  Sure players and club officials are as shady as their drunken fans, but how dare they say a match official would be involved.  A match official would never do a single thing to impugn the integrity of the great game of football.  Europol should be ashamed of themselves for saying such a ridiculously untrue statement.
 
2013-02-04 04:06:08 PM

LemSkroob: In the US, its not fixed games, just shiatty officiating.

/honestly dont know which one is worse


This is true.  Officiating in football (soccer to you) is world class.
 
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