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2013-02-04 06:44:08 AM
There really should be mandatory paternity testing in divorce with kids. Up front, no exceptions.

That or make it physically damaging to get a marriage license. If you can die getting married, less people will make a spur of the moment mistake and wind up needing to get divorced later.

Maybe you have to fight an alligator with hemorrhoids to get your marriage license and a salt water croc to get the divorce.
 
2013-02-04 07:03:52 AM

doglover: There really should be mandatory paternity testing in divorce with kids. Up front, no exceptions.

That or make it physically damaging to get a marriage license. If you can die getting married, less people will make a spur of the moment mistake and wind up needing to get divorced later.

Maybe you have to fight an alligator with hemorrhoids to get your marriage license and a salt water croc to get the divorce.


I think you misunderstand the mindset of people likely to get married on a whim. "Go show me how much of a man you are by kicking that croc's ass!"
 
2013-02-04 07:14:44 AM
What? A man getting fair treatment from the courts? Someone call the media!!!

Oh, wait...
 
2013-02-04 07:17:52 AM
Why is getting a bunch of neckless space marine figurines considered spiffy?
 
2013-02-04 07:27:28 AM

miss diminutive: Why is getting a bunch of neckless space marine figurines considered spiffy?


My son likes that game. I'm just happy that I knew what you were talking about. 


Anyone read the comments? Seems like a lot of people have no reading comprehension.
 
2013-02-04 07:32:48 AM

stratagos: "Go show me how much of a man you are by kicking that croc's ass!"


That's why the croc is the DIVORCE papers.

Alligators are cute and cuddly compared to Nile crocs. biatch wants a golddiggin' divorce? Let her swim her skank ass out into the pool and get the paperwork.
 
2013-02-04 07:47:24 AM
Wow.  99% of the time, the guy is screwed.  Hopefully, more courts will come around on these types of things.
 
2013-02-04 07:54:08 AM

slayer199: Wow.  99% of the time, the guy is screwed.  Hopefully, more courts will come around on these types of things.


Or just make it a crocodile wrestling match. You want a unilateral divorce? Bon chance.
 
2013-02-04 08:01:05 AM

doglover: There really should be mandatory paternity testing in divorce with kids. Up front, no exceptions.

That or make it physically damaging to get a marriage license. If you can die getting married, less people will make a spur of the moment mistake and wind up needing to get divorced later.

Maybe you have to fight an alligator with hemorrhoids to get your marriage license and a salt water croc to get the divorce.


Pretty sure there's a Japanese game show premised around exactly this idea.
 
2013-02-04 08:02:05 AM

miss diminutive: Why is getting a bunch of neckless space marine figurines considered spiffy?


Maybe he got the Hello Kitty Theme set?  That could be worth a few bucks.
 
2013-02-04 08:02:30 AM

slayer199: Wow.  99.99999% of the time, the guy is screwed.  Hopefully, more courts will come around on these types of things.


Let me just put some more nines in there.

Family court.
Apparently, the patriarchy cant get it together to deal with that miscarriage of justice.
 
2013-02-04 08:07:07 AM

miss diminutive: Why is getting a bunch of neckless space marine figurines considered spiffy?


Read that, at first, as necklace of space marine figurines.  Then I re-read the headline.
 
2013-02-04 08:11:37 AM
Wow. Good for him for getting some justice out of this whole ordeal. The only thing that would make this better would be a bullet and a shallow grave for the cheating whore. I really hope this judgement is a sign of changing times. I doubt it, but at least justice won this time. Better than never.
 
2013-02-04 08:13:11 AM
Meanwhile, in the US, he'd still be paying child support....
 
2013-02-04 08:13:13 AM
That was farked up.  Let this be a warning to all men contemplating marriage.  A woman's loyalty is to children.  At best, you're a sperm bank.
/emphasis on BANK in this guy's case
 
2013-02-04 08:14:50 AM

doglover: There really should be mandatory paternity testing in divorce with kids. Up front, no exceptions.

That or make it physically damaging to get a marriage license. If you can die getting married, less people will make a spur of the moment mistake and wind up needing to get divorced later.

Maybe you have to fight an alligator with hemorrhoids to get your marriage license and a salt water croc to get the divorce.


Maybe a waiting period, to test their certainty? If you feel ready to spend your entire lives together, you can certify it in 90 days if it's still true.
 
2013-02-04 08:16:36 AM

hamfast gamgee: That was farked up.  Let this be a warning to all men contemplating marriage.  A woman's loyalty is to children.  At best, you're a sperm bank.
/emphasis on BANK in this guy's case


Well, at least in the old era, you were a disposable unit of labor and cannon fodder.

No wait, that sucks, too.
 
2013-02-04 08:17:14 AM
18 years, 18 years
She got one of your kids got you for 18 years
I know somebody paying child support for one of his kids
His baby's momma's car and crib is bigger than his

//She take my money!!!
 
2013-02-04 08:18:23 AM

hamfast gamgee: That was farked up.  Let this be a warning to all men contemplating marriage.  A woman's loyalty is to children.  At best, you're a sperm bank.
/emphasis on BANK in this guy's case


Married for seven years.  We've no plans to have kids, ever.

What am I to her at best?  Please advise.
 
2013-02-04 08:18:47 AM
I'm trying to figure out why this guy couldn't have had a paternity test sometime in the distant past. He voluntarily raised the kids without concern for a genetic relationship.
 
2013-02-04 08:18:56 AM
can't get the story to load on my connection.  at least the court didn't say "well you raised them tough cookies you are still responsible"  usually if a state agency is involved and there is a hint of having to pay back money owed to a non custodial parent they will pull the stops out to keep from paying.
 
2013-02-04 08:18:59 AM
 
2013-02-04 08:19:05 AM
In France and Germany, any paternity testing without a court order is banned, due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them. Fathers sometimes circumvent these laws by sending samples of DNA to foreign labs, but risk prosecution if caught. Source
 
2013-02-04 08:21:29 AM
$40k won - $25k paid - costs of raising two children up to adolescence = no winners here, financial or otherwise.

Except the two guys who cuckolded the guy and got him to pay for raising their kids.
 
2013-02-04 08:23:13 AM

people: In France and Germany, any paternity testing without a court order is banned, due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them. Fathers sometimes circumvent these laws by sending samples of DNA to foreign labs, but risk prosecution if caught. Source


German women are whores, good to know.
 
2013-02-04 08:24:17 AM

brimed03: $40k won - $25k paid - costs of raising two children up to adolescence = no winners here, financial or otherwise.

Except the two guys who cuckolded the guy and got him to pay for raising their kids.


He could have had paternity testing done any time he wanted. He's no victim, and really doesn't deserve compensation any more than someone who buys property site unseen.
 
2013-02-04 08:24:38 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: doglover: There really should be mandatory paternity testing in divorce with kids. Up front, no exceptions.

That or make it physically damaging to get a marriage license. If you can die getting married, less people will make a spur of the moment mistake and wind up needing to get divorced later.

Maybe you have to fight an alligator with hemorrhoids to get your marriage license and a salt water croc to get the divorce.

Pretty sure there's a Japanese game show premised around exactly this idea.


Is that the one where they make you drink a gallon of water, wait an hour, then get this automated punching thingee to repeatedly punch you on the bladder?

I LOVE THAT GAME!!!

Mister Buttons: 18 years, 18 years
She got one of your kids got you for 18 years
I know somebody paying child support for one of his kids
His baby's momma's car and crib is bigger than his

//She take my money!!!


18 years and whaddya get?
Another man's kids and deeper in debt!
 
2013-02-04 08:25:05 AM

brimed03: $40k won - $25k paid - costs of raising two children up to adolescence = no winners here, financial or otherwise.

Except the two guys who cuckolded the guy and got him to pay for raising their kids.


Thats about right.

40K isnt much  for that amount of time and money investment.  The wife got off lucky too

(oh no, that sounds like "got off lucky 2").
 
2013-02-04 08:25:59 AM

anindependent: He could have had paternity testing done any time he wanted. He's no victim, and really doesn't deserve compensation any more than someone who buys property site unseen.


Really?  This guy is lied to, and hes the asshole?
 
2013-02-04 08:26:50 AM

people: anindependent: He could have had paternity testing done any time he wanted. He's no victim, and really doesn't deserve compensation any more than someone who buys property site unseen.

Really?  This guy is lied to, and hes the asshole?


Well, yeah, because f the patriarchy.
 
2013-02-04 08:27:21 AM
Estimates are that nearly 1 million men in the USA are unknowingly raising children that aren't theirs. Infidelity and deceit.

In the US, it causes lots of heart break and therapy.

In the Middle East, it causes acid attacks, stoning, lashings, and machete-ing.
 
2013-02-04 08:27:45 AM

JasonOfOrillia: miss diminutive: Why is getting a bunch of neckless space marine figurines considered spiffy?

Read that, at first, as necklace of space marine figurines.  Then I re-read the headline.


I thought I was the only one!
 
2013-02-04 08:30:18 AM

people: anindependent: He could have had paternity testing done any time he wanted. He's no victim, and really doesn't deserve compensation any more than someone who buys property site unseen.

Really?  This guy is lied to, and hes the asshole?


I didn't say he was an asshole. I'm just saying he should be responsible for his own choice to voluntarily raise two kids without concern for a genetic relationship. This is a problem he could easily have avoided long ago.

And by the way, did he stop loving the kids when he found out they weren't his? Did he forfeit the relationship he's long enjoyed? If so, then yes, he is an asshole.
 
2013-02-04 08:32:05 AM
miss diminutive: Why is getting a bunch of neckless space marine figurines considered spiffy?

You're awesome.

/You must excuse me, off to paint some Space Wolves...
 
2013-02-04 08:32:57 AM

anindependent: I'm just saying he should be responsible for his own choice to voluntarily raise two kids without concern for a genetic relationship.


You blaming the victim.  She lied to him.  Thats it.  Done.   What are you even talking about choice?  That would make sense if he knew he was raising other guys kids.

He didn't.  And when he got proof, he took action.

What the shiat.
 
2013-02-04 08:35:18 AM
miss diminutive
Why is getting a bunch of neckless space marine figurines considered spiffy?

Victory.

/for the emperor!
 
2013-02-04 08:36:48 AM

anindependent: And by the way, did he stop loving the kids when he found out they weren't his? Did he forfeit the relationship he's long enjoyed?


He said he still loved them, but the wife turned them against him and won't allow any contact with them.  That's probably the reason behind the court ruling that this was similar to a bereavement case where a child dies.  He didn't forfeit the relationship, it was taken away.

The rest of what you said is too incomprehensible to respond to, sorry.
 
2013-02-04 08:37:33 AM

anindependent: people: anindependent: He could have had paternity testing done any time he wanted. He's no victim, and really doesn't deserve compensation any more than someone who buys property site unseen.

Really?  This guy is lied to, and hes the asshole?

I didn't say he was an asshole. I'm just saying he should be responsible for his own choice to voluntarily raise two kids without concern for a genetic relationship. This is a problem he could easily have avoided long ago.

And by the way, did he stop loving the kids when he found out they weren't his? Did he forfeit the relationship he's long enjoyed? If so, then yes, he is an asshole.


Did you read the article? He wanted to remain in their lives but was cut off.
 
2013-02-04 08:38:43 AM

anindependent: He could have had paternity testing done any time he wanted


That's exactly what he did.  It seems that you're criticizing him because he didn't get paternity testing done before there were any warning signs.

/How DARE he not get DNA tests before he had reason to be suspicious!
 
2013-02-04 08:39:41 AM

brimed03: $40k won - $25k paid - costs of raising two children up to adolescence = no winners here, financial or otherwise.

Except the two guys who cuckolded the guy and got him to pay for raising their kids.


Who should be hunted down and made to pay for their kids.
 
2013-02-04 08:40:24 AM

doglover: There really should be mandatory paternity testing in divorce with kids. Up front, no exceptions.

That or make it physically damaging to get a marriage license. If you can die getting married, less people will make a spur of the moment mistake and wind up needing to get divorced later.

Maybe you have to fight an alligator with hemorrhoids to get your marriage license and a salt water croc to get the divorce.


This is a good idea. I would change it a little bit; if a woman is going to pursue child support she must submit a DNA test proving who the father is. I have a feeling there are a lot of women that would suddenly decide they don't need any support.
 
2013-02-04 08:41:21 AM

people: anindependent: I'm just saying he should be responsible for his own choice to voluntarily raise two kids without concern for a genetic relationship.

You blaming the victim.


He's not a victim. He voluntarily took responsibility for two kids without a concern for a genetic relationship.


She lied to him.


Which is no reason to vitiate his personal responsibility for the choice he made to raise kids without concern for a genetic relationship.

Thats it.  Done.

I'll grant, I'm no lawyer. But I believe yours is in fact the minority view in American states, and maybe even internationally. So no, I don't think "that's it, done" is a cogent argument.

What are you even talking about choice?

No law prevented him from having a paternity test years ago. He made a choice not to have one.

That would make sense if he knew he was raising other guys kids.

He knew very well he was raising kids without proof of a genetic relationship.

And when he got proof, he took action.

In the form of a frivolous lawsuit for a matter many, maybe even most jurisdictions, say the law shouldn't compensate.

What the shiat.

Isn't it maddening to live in a pluralistic democracy where people sometimes hold views different than your own?
 
2013-02-04 08:42:04 AM

SDRR: Who should be hunted down and made to pay for their kids.


They should pay the cuckold, who most likely spent far more than $40k in money.
 
2013-02-04 08:42:46 AM

anindependent: Isn't it maddening to live in a pluralistic democracy where people sometimes hold views different than your own?


You are maddening because you are a moran.
 
2013-02-04 08:43:05 AM
If this was in America the court would have told him, to bad, and probably made him keep paying.
 
2013-02-04 08:44:08 AM
based on the strength of the article, I call shenanigans. Were the DNA tests court ordered?
 
2013-02-04 08:45:06 AM

people: In France and Germany, any paternity testing without a court order is banned, due to fears that more families could be broken by divorce if all fathers were given access to them. Fathers sometimes circumvent these laws by sending samples of DNA to foreign labs, but risk prosecution if caught. Source


Okay, that's just stupid. The family's probably going to fall apart anyways if the mom is doing something so deceptive.

brimed03: $40k won - $25k paid - costs of raising two children up to adolescence = no winners here, financial or otherwise.

Except the two guys who cuckolded the guy and got him to pay for raising their kids.


Considering that he got the marital home and managed to get the crazy biatch out of his life, I'd say he came out better than a lot of nice guys who made similar mistakes.

The fact that she denied it right up to the end and that he tried to maintain a relationship with the kids after were probably the two biggest factors.
 
2013-02-04 08:46:13 AM

anindependent: I'm just saying he should be responsible for his own choice to voluntarily raise two kids without concern for a genetic relationship.


So, this would mean that, when you settle down with a woman, marry her, have a year or so of stable marriage (with no indication that anything is wrong), then decide to have kids, you're going to get any kids you have paternity tested immediately?  Just because?

Now tell me how often people get their kids paternity tested on what effectively amounts to a whim.

anindependent: This is a problem he could easily have avoided long ago.


If one assumes that any children you have in marriage aren't yours from the start- whether or not you have reasons to suspect this- I agree.

Your wife may feel differently.  Particularly in the majority of the cases where they actually are yours.

anindependent: And by the way, did he stop loving the kids when he found out they weren't his?


By the way: no.  Then again- if you'd read the article- you'd know this.

anindependent: Did he forfeit the relationship he's long enjoyed?


His children decided to have nothing more to do with him after he got the results of the test.  He said (and admittedly this is just speculation on his part) that he believes the mother turned them against him.

Again, even a cursory examination of the article would bear this out.

anindependent: If so, then yes, he is an asshole.


Did you fail to read the article?  If so, are you an asshole for making a series of assumptions about it?  Or is that something that's remarkably easy to do, and not worth having a third-grade sandbox name-calling match over?
 
2013-02-04 08:47:27 AM
It sounds like he was successful mostly because she alienated the kids from him and cut him off.  The suit wasn't tied to the child support directly - it was about the lies and taking away his own chance for children.  Intelligent tactic.  They view child support as necessary to the kids, and won't usually take it away, especially without someone else to step in and provide it.  He went after her instead.
 
2013-02-04 08:48:57 AM

hamfast gamgee: That was farked up.  Let this be a warning to all men contemplating marriage.  A woman's loyalty is to children money.  At best, you're a sperm bank.
/emphasis on BANK in this guy's case


FTFY
 
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