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2013-02-04 11:27:25 PM  

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Mitchell?

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Jus' talkin' 'bout Mitchell!


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2013-02-05 12:32:04 AM  
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You just keep tellin' yourself that, champ.
 
2013-02-05 12:54:24 AM  

rickycal78: Giltric: serial_crusher: The correct answer is...: Peter Weller as Khan Noonien Singh

Is this supposed to tie in to Peter Weller's character on Enterprise, or do they just bear an uncanny resemblance to each other?

Hmmm after reading about him on Memory Alpha maybe his character makes Khan and starts the whole eugenics thing in an attempt to make super humans and rid the galaxy of aliens.

Except no.
Khan was actually mentioned already in Enterprise. In the 4th season when Archer was trying to track down Soong's augments one of the augments mentions that Khan and the Botany Bay are already drifting somewhere out in space.


Is that canon in the JJverse?
 
2013-02-05 01:13:01 AM  

Giltric: Khan was actually mentioned already in Enterprise. In the 4th season when Archer was trying to track down Soong's augments one of the augments mentions that Khan and the Botany Bay are already drifting somewhere out in space.

Is that canon in the JJverse?


Since it's long before the events in the last film, before the two universes diverged, it would have to be.
 
2013-02-05 01:15:48 AM  

Giltric: rickycal78: Giltric: serial_crusher: The correct answer is...: Peter Weller as Khan Noonien Singh

Is this supposed to tie in to Peter Weller's character on Enterprise, or do they just bear an uncanny resemblance to each other?

Hmmm after reading about him on Memory Alpha maybe his character makes Khan and starts the whole eugenics thing in an attempt to make super humans and rid the galaxy of aliens.

Except no.
Khan was actually mentioned already in Enterprise. In the 4th season when Archer was trying to track down Soong's augments one of the augments mentions that Khan and the Botany Bay are already drifting somewhere out in space.

Is that canon in the JJverse?


Dunno. JJverse as you called it diverges from regular ST verse starting with Nero hopping to the past I would think. Granted for all we know JJverse could have had slightly different beginnings before that. Still, Weller's character in Enterprise never seemed the sort to start the Eugenics wars, he was just xenophobic.
 
2013-02-05 01:18:56 AM  

Mugato: Giltric: Khan was actually mentioned already in Enterprise. In the 4th season when Archer was trying to track down Soong's augments one of the augments mentions that Khan and the Botany Bay are already drifting somewhere out in space.

Is that canon in the JJverse?

Since it's long before the events in the last film, before the two universes diverged, it would have to be.



It is very funny because when you get into what is known- they had blueprints that they sold, but a lot of it is hypothesis, like made up. ... The show itself made mistakes. The idea that there is a canon of Trek and what is honest to goodness Trek and what you can't change - The show itself changed history and revised things a lot. So clearly the approach was we want to make this thing feel real.   http://trekmovie.com/2008/09/19/abrams-talks-challenge-of-keeping-star -trek-from-turning-into-parody/">http://trekmovie.com/2008/09/19/abra ms-talks-challenge-of-keeping-star -trek-from-turning-into-parody/


/shrug
 
2013-02-05 01:33:37 AM  

rickycal78: Giltric: rickycal78: Giltric: serial_crusher: The correct answer is...: Peter Weller as Khan Noonien Singh

Is this supposed to tie in to Peter Weller's character on Enterprise, or do they just bear an uncanny resemblance to each other?

Hmmm after reading about him on Memory Alpha maybe his character makes Khan and starts the whole eugenics thing in an attempt to make super humans and rid the galaxy of aliens.

Except no.
Khan was actually mentioned already in Enterprise. In the 4th season when Archer was trying to track down Soong's augments one of the augments mentions that Khan and the Botany Bay are already drifting somewhere out in space.

Is that canon in the JJverse?

Dunno. JJverse as you called it diverges from regular ST verse starting with Nero hopping to the past I would think. Granted for all we know JJverse could have had slightly different beginnings before that. Still, Weller's character in Enterprise never seemed the sort to start the Eugenics wars, he was just xenophobic.


Everything before Nero's incursion should be the same in both Trek universes. The 2009 film made a point of name-dropping the beagle-loving Admiral Archer to make this clear. But the so-called Prime (original) Trek universe is full of paradoxes, in particular Star Trek: Enterprise being itself, a timeline that must have been affected by the time travel in Star Trek: First Contact.
 
2013-02-05 01:35:54 AM  

Nem Wan: The 2009 film made a point of name-dropping the beagle-loving Admiral Archer


Which is weird since Enterprise took place about 100 years before Kirk/Spock.
 
2013-02-05 08:06:48 AM  

Nem Wan: But the so-called Prime (original) Trek universe is full of paradoxes, in particular Star Trek: Enterprise being itself, a timeline that must have been affected by the time travel in Star Trek: First Contact.


I still choose to believe it was Riker playing a not-so-historically-accurate holodeck game the whole time.

But yeah, there was even an episode with some of the Borg from First Contact.  Thing about time travel in the trek universe is that it works differently depending on the particular technology used to deploy it.  When the Borg briefly took over Earth, they didn't create an alternate universe where they controlled it.  They changed the existing universe.  That's why the Enterprise--since it was caught in the temporal wake--saw things change around them.  So, the Enterprise universe was still the same one as the other Treks.  First contact was one of those predestination paradoxes.
 
2013-02-05 09:53:50 AM  
What I don't get about the time travel narrative crutch Trek uses so much is why Spock 1.0 didn't do the slingshot around the sun thing they did in Star Trek: Greenpeace to save Vulcan. I realize it's probably unethical to go back in time to change every little bad thing that happens, Marlon Brando told Superman that. But this is Vulcan, a planet at least as important as Earth and since its destruction was a direct result of someone else farking with the time line, Spock would have had a better ethical leg to stand on than they did in Star Trek: Save the Whales.
 
2013-02-05 10:18:02 AM  

Mugato: What I don't get about the time travel narrative crutch Trek uses so much is why Spock 1.0 didn't do the slingshot around the sun thing they did in Star Trek: Greenpeace to save Vulcan. I realize it's probably unethical to go back in time to change every little bad thing that happens, Marlon Brando told Superman that. But this is Vulcan, a planet at least as important as Earth and since its destruction was a direct result of someone else farking with the time line, Spock would have had a better ethical leg to stand on than they did in Star Trek: Save the Whales.


Not necessarily. From what I recall, Starfleet/Federation headquarters was on Earth, so I'd say Earth held a slight advantage. Plus he already had a previous version of himself in that timeline. Would he really be able to go back again and make it so there'd be a Spock 1.2? Two versions of Spock prime and one of his younger self?
 
2013-02-05 10:55:27 AM  

rickycal78: Not necessarily. From what I recall, Starfleet/Federation headquarters was on Earth, so I'd say Earth held a slight advantage. Plus he already had a previous version of himself in that timeline. Would he really be able to go back again and make it so there'd be a Spock 1.2? Two versions of Spock prime and one of his younger self?


I don't think Spock agreed to do the time travel thing to save Earth because it was the HQ of the Federation. They did it to save Earth. As for multiple Spocks bumping into themselves, that could have been an issue. I just think if they insist on using time travel so much the issue should have been at least brought up, even if it would be shot down by some sort of logic.

I think the answer is that JJ and Bob Orci don't know dick about Star Trek and write their stuff based on the Star Trek Saga Cliff Notes someone gave them.
 
2013-02-05 11:10:24 AM  

rickycal78: Mugato: What I don't get about the time travel narrative crutch Trek uses so much is why Spock 1.0 didn't do the slingshot around the sun thing they did in Star Trek: Greenpeace to save Vulcan. I realize it's probably unethical to go back in time to change every little bad thing that happens, Marlon Brando told Superman that. But this is Vulcan, a planet at least as important as Earth and since its destruction was a direct result of someone else farking with the time line, Spock would have had a better ethical leg to stand on than they did in Star Trek: Save the Whales.

Not necessarily. From what I recall, Starfleet/Federation headquarters was on Earth, so I'd say Earth held a slight advantage. Plus he already had a previous version of himself in that timeline. Would he really be able to go back again and make it so there'd be a Spock 1.2? Two versions of Spock prime and one of his younger self?


Well, Free Willy only happened because Kirk 1.0 was involved.  I don't think Spock would have concocted that whale heist on his own.  On top of it being unethical, they were ordered not to.  Kirk doesn't give many farks about either ethics or orders.
Missing whales would be considerably less damaging to the timeline than resurrecting a planet.  If not for Kirk &co, those Russian whalers would have killed the whales and been on their merry way.

Also, I think the ethics go differently with the different kinds of time travel involved.  Falling into a red matter black hole is the kind of time travel that creates an alternate universe but keeps the original timeline intact.  Warping around the sun is the kind that alters the existing timeline.  So, I don't think Spock could justify it as undoing Nero's temporal meddling.  What Nero did was the moral equivalent of blowing up a planet in present day space, which is a pretty shiatty thing to do, but doesn't justify time travel.
 
2013-02-05 11:26:28 AM  

serial_crusher: Well, Free Willy only happened because Kirk 1.0 was involved. I don't think Spock would have concocted that whale heist on his own


He did, actually. Kirk gave him the go ahead but Spock brought up the time travel.

unethical, they were ordered not to.

They were ordered not to approach earth in the present because they were being farked up. They didn't think of going to earth in the past.

Warping around the sun is the kind that alters the existing timeline.  So, I don't think Spock could justify it as undoing Nero's temporal meddling.  What Nero did was the moral equivalent of blowing up a planet in present day space, which is a pretty shiatty thing to do, but doesn't justify time travel.

I get what you're saying but that's some pretty cold logic, which Spock often fails at. I also don't see how engaging in time travel to stop the destruction of a planet due to non-time travel related problems is more ethical than doing the same thing to stop a time travel incursion-related catastrophe.

Eh, who cares. time travel was handled well in Star Trek at most 3 times in a dozen others. And where were the supposed Time Police in all of this?
 
2013-02-05 02:29:19 PM  

Mugato: serial_crusher: Well, Free Willy only happened because Kirk 1.0 was involved. I don't think Spock would have concocted that whale heist on his own

He did, actually. Kirk gave him the go ahead but Spock brought up the time travel.

unethical, they were ordered not to.

They were ordered not to approach earth in the present because they were being farked up. They didn't think of going to earth in the past.

Warping around the sun is the kind that alters the existing timeline.  So, I don't think Spock could justify it as undoing Nero's temporal meddling.  What Nero did was the moral equivalent of blowing up a planet in present day space, which is a pretty shiatty thing to do, but doesn't justify time travel.

I get what you're saying but that's some pretty cold logic, which Spock often fails at. I also don't see how engaging in time travel to stop the destruction of a planet due to non-time travel related problems is more ethical than doing the same thing to stop a time travel incursion-related catastrophe.

Eh, who cares. time travel was handled well in Star Trek at most 3 times in a dozen others. And where were the supposed Time Police in all of this?


There is very little consistently in how time travel is handled in "Star Trek"--the fact that "slingshot around the sun" time travel and "red matter" time travel have their own different but internally consistent mechanics is probably just a happy coincidence.  The "reboot" movie used the "many-worlds" approach to time travel to justify the reboot, by creating an alternate timeline in which the same characters could have completely different adventures.  In nearly every other time-travel story I remember from the TV show or movies, traveling back in time causes the present/future to abruptly change, but anyone who happens to be inside a temporal phenomenon that shields them from the change (which always happens to be the crew of the Enterprise/Defiant/Voyager).  The only exception I can think of is "Assignment Earth", in which time travel causes events in the past to play out as they were actually intended to.

And if I remember correctly, the "Time Police" were originally introduced as a way to create a temporal loop in which the crew of Voyager, if it can't somehow break the loop, ends up involved in an accident that destroys Earth's entire solar system in the 29th century.  Of course, by breaking the loop, Voyager created a time paradox, but as usual the writers ignored that paradox until they thought they could revisit it to build the plot of another episode.

Come to think of it, the idea of time police, and particularly a "time cop" who has to prevent his future self from going insane and committing a horrible crime, could be pretty interesting in the hands of a good sci-fi author.
 
2013-02-05 02:35:42 PM  

anfrind: Come to think of it, the idea of time police, and particularly a "time cop" who has to prevent his future self from going insane and committing a horrible crime, could be pretty interesting in the hands of a good sci-fi author.


Maybe you should see Looper.
 
2013-02-05 03:51:18 PM  

anfrind: Come to think of it, the idea of time police, and particularly a "time cop" who has to prevent his future self from going insane and committing a horrible crime, could be pretty interesting in the hands of a good sci-fi author.


Actually, the idea of a "Time Cop" who governs over all time travel shenanigans, would have made all time travel stories impossible.
 
2013-02-05 10:28:01 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Sergeant Angle: Blathering Idjut: Grand_Moff_Joseph: OtherLittleGuy: LDM90: amindtat: bhcompy: DammitIForgotMyLogin: some_beer_drinker: He is NOT khan. carry on.

Gary Mitchell

Sybok

Maurice Picard

Thomas Riker

Vina

A pissed off Captain Proton

Check me: Robert April.

Kracko!

Rick Berman.


Palpatine
 
2013-02-05 11:28:39 PM  

eggrolls: Summer Glau's Love Slave: Sergeant Angle: Blathering Idjut: Grand_Moff_Joseph: OtherLittleGuy: LDM90: amindtat: bhcompy: DammitIForgotMyLogin: some_beer_drinker: He is NOT khan. carry on.

Gary Mitchell

Sybok

Maurice Picard

Thomas Riker

Vina

A pissed off Captain Proton

Check me: Robert April.

Kracko!

Rick Berman.

Palpatine



You guys give JJ Abrams and Richard Orcci way too much credit for knowing enough about Star Trek to think they know who any of those people are. Except Palpatine.
 
2013-02-06 03:04:37 PM  

Mugato: What I don't get about the time travel narrative crutch Trek uses so much is why Spock 1.0 didn't do the slingshot around the sun thing they did in Star Trek: Greenpeace to save Vulcan. I realize it's probably unethical to go back in time to change every little bad thing that happens, Marlon Brando told Superman that. But this is Vulcan, a planet at least as important as Earth and since its destruction was a direct result of someone else farking with the time line, Spock would have had a better ethical leg to stand on than they did in Star Trek: Save the Whales.


Th\is.  This.  And THIS.  Every time someone changes the timeline in a Trek series, the relevant crew will risk pretty much everything to restore the timeline.  Now JJ has a time traveler come from the future and commit genocide against a founding race of the Federation and... meh.  Makes NO sense.
 
2013-02-06 04:54:40 PM  

extroverted_suicide: Mugato: What I don't get about the time travel narrative crutch Trek uses so much is why Spock 1.0 didn't do the slingshot around the sun thing they did in Star Trek: Greenpeace to save Vulcan. I realize it's probably unethical to go back in time to change every little bad thing that happens, Marlon Brando told Superman that. But this is Vulcan, a planet at least as important as Earth and since its destruction was a direct result of someone else farking with the time line, Spock would have had a better ethical leg to stand on than they did in Star Trek: Save the Whales.

Th\is.  This.  And THIS.  Every time someone changes the timeline in a Trek series, the relevant crew will risk pretty much everything to restore the timeline.  Now JJ has a time traveler come from the future and commit genocide against a founding race of the Federation and... meh.  Makes NO sense.


Not to be THAT nerd, but I'm pretty sure that at this point in the timeline the Vulcan science academy says time travel is impossible. Even if you include that abomination Enterprise, it's pretty clear that only people waaay past JJ Trek time-wise would have access to time travel. It wasn't until into Kirk's 5 year voyage that they first went back in time (Tomorrow is Yesterday), and that wouldn't have happened yet.
 
2013-02-06 05:02:00 PM  
Just to clarify, I realise that the Vulcans would believe in time travel now that it's helped destroy Vulcan but without that red matter or until they realise they can just, like, fly around the sun really quickly, Vulcan is gone.

What you have to realise is, trying to reconcile it with exisiting Trek is entirely futile, it really is something completely different and don't trust Abrams to do things or pay attention to things that have previously been canon. I imagine the reality of his deal is that he can do whatever he wants in these films with respect to the franchise. And though the last film had a nod to Enterprise with Admiral Archer's dog, like you said, there's time police working to restore continuities in Archer's time so where are they now? (Forgotten, conveniently).

I guess the gist of this is, if you don't like what JJ's done to Star Trek, console yourself that all these films take place in the microsecond before continuity was restored by those future federation guys, evaporating Abrams lens flare alternate reality.

/ hope that makes sense, I've been tokin
 
2013-02-06 05:06:56 PM  

skodabunny: extroverted_suicide: Mugato: What I don't get about the time travel narrative crutch Trek uses so much is why Spock 1.0 didn't do the slingshot around the sun thing they did in Star Trek: Greenpeace to save Vulcan. I realize it's probably unethical to go back in time to change every little bad thing that happens, Marlon Brando told Superman that. But this is Vulcan, a planet at least as important as Earth and since its destruction was a direct result of someone else farking with the time line, Spock would have had a better ethical leg to stand on than they did in Star Trek: Save the Whales.

Th\is.  This.  And THIS.  Every time someone changes the timeline in a Trek series, the relevant crew will risk pretty much everything to restore the timeline.  Now JJ has a time traveler come from the future and commit genocide against a founding race of the Federation and... meh.  Makes NO sense.

Not to be THAT nerd, but I'm pretty sure that at this point in the timeline the Vulcan science academy says time travel is impossible. Even if you include that abomination Enterprise, it's pretty clear that only people waaay past JJ Trek time-wise would have access to time travel. It wasn't until into Kirk's 5 year voyage that they first went back in time (Tomorrow is Yesterday), and that wouldn't have happened yet.


Why would old-Spock, who still exist, travel back in time?
 
2013-02-06 05:29:16 PM  
Fark seems to have eaten my previous reply.

In answer: Because JJ Abrams wills it thus, like I said, don't try to reconcile it with what's come before. JJ's continuity only exists as far back as his pre-film comic book teaser and film itself.  JJ's Trek and Roddenberry's Trek are two entirely different enterprises (if you'll forgive the pun). I'm not hating on JJ's, I just don't really see it as the same thing.
 
2013-02-06 05:40:25 PM  

skodabunny: Fark seems to have eaten my previous reply.

In answer: Because JJ Abrams wills it thus, like I said, don't try to reconcile it with what's come before. JJ's continuity only exists as far back as his pre-film comic book teaser and film itself.  JJ's Trek and Roddenberry's Trek are two entirely different enterprises (if you'll forgive the pun). I'm not hating on JJ's, I just don't really see it as the same thing.


And yes, he is 'spock prime', thus meaning that what happened previously did happen and retains all that knowledge, etc, but if you really want to explain this away in a throw-away style... Spock won't do it or explain how to do it because it's like future knowledge and therefore, unethical or some shiat. Of course really though, it's because he's only there to legitimise the new incarnation and serves whatever function Abrams desires. And his previous time travel skillz won't be forming a part of that.

It's all good though, I like having it back on the big screen and Abrams didn't sneak into my house and steal my blue rays of the original series' like you'd think he's done to some Farkers.
 
2013-02-06 08:43:14 PM  

skodabunny: skodabunny: Fark seems to have eaten my previous reply.

In answer: Because JJ Abrams wills it thus, like I said, don't try to reconcile it with what's come before. JJ's continuity only exists as far back as his pre-film comic book teaser and film itself.  JJ's Trek and Roddenberry's Trek are two entirely different enterprises (if you'll forgive the pun). I'm not hating on JJ's, I just don't really see it as the same thing.

And yes, he is 'spock prime', thus meaning that what happened previously did happen and retains all that knowledge, etc, but if you really want to explain this away in a throw-away style... Spock won't do it or explain how to do it because it's like future knowledge and therefore, unethical or some shiat. Of course really though, it's because he's only there to legitimise the new incarnation and serves whatever function Abrams desires. And his previous time travel skillz won't be forming a part of that.

It's all good though, I like having it back on the big screen and Abrams didn't sneak into my house and steal my blue rays of the original series' like you'd think he's done to some Farkers.


Well, he did legitimize it.  Spoke Prime basically made the movie.  Without him, it might as well have been Galaxy Quest 2
 
2013-02-06 09:47:45 PM  

skodabunny: extroverted_suicide: Mugato: What I don't get about the time travel narrative crutch Trek uses so much is why Spock 1.0 didn't do the slingshot around the sun thing they did in Star Trek: Greenpeace to save Vulcan. I realize it's probably unethical to go back in time to change every little bad thing that happens, Marlon Brando told Superman that. But this is Vulcan, a planet at least as important as Earth and since its destruction was a direct result of someone else farking with the time line, Spock would have had a better ethical leg to stand on than they did in Star Trek: Save the Whales.

Th\is.  This.  And THIS.  Every time someone changes the timeline in a Trek series, the relevant crew will risk pretty much everything to restore the timeline.  Now JJ has a time traveler come from the future and commit genocide against a founding race of the Federation and... meh.  Makes NO sense.

Not to be THAT nerd, but I'm pretty sure that at this point in the timeline the Vulcan science academy says time travel is impossible. Even if you include that abomination Enterprise, it's pretty clear that only people waaay past JJ Trek time-wise would have access to time travel. It wasn't until into Kirk's 5 year voyage that they first went back in time (Tomorrow is Yesterday), and that wouldn't have happened yet.


I'll be THAT nerd, then. Future-Spock knows all about time travel, obviously. And alternate timelines. No excuse why he wouldn't try to fix the timeline & save his mommy. None.
 
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