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(CBC)   Awesome: Winning all expense paid trip to the Superbowl. Not so awesome: Denied entry to the US because of a drug conviction. 2 grams of marijuana. 32 years ago   (cbc.ca) divider line 192
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2013-02-03 11:07:15 PM  
This is something the Canadian media likes to do: point out how the US is corrupt and Canada is great by comparison.....but rarely takes a hard look at itself.
 
2013-02-03 11:07:24 PM  
Must be more to this story. If he got $50 ticket, then I don't think he would have a criminal record. Could be mistaken though.

/US customs officers are made up of people who failed the mall security IQ test
 
2013-02-03 11:08:08 PM  

Tumunga: I disagree. A criminal is a criminal.


Luckily you don't live in a glass house.
 
2013-02-03 11:08:34 PM  

MrHappyRotter: I don't care what contest you've won, we don't want your drugs in this country, period.  We have enough crime and issues and addicts as it is, last thing we need is more of the same.  I don't care if it's for a short "trip", you can do lots of real damage in only a few hours, let alone days or a week.


0/10

/not even worth commenting on how stupid/lame that was
 
2013-02-03 11:09:52 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: A US citizen with a DUI can't go to Canada, so Canadians are safe from foreign beer drinkers and Americans are safe from foreign hippies. Imagine the anarchy if we didn't have these rules.


You can 5 years after the 1st conviction, pay the $500 bribe and kiss their ass.
 
2013-02-03 11:10:00 PM  
ajgeek

All crimes are felonies now. So move along, Citizen.

For drug crimes it's getting to be that way.
 
2013-02-03 11:11:44 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: I knew a fellow who was almost denied entry into Canada from the US based on a 20-year-old DUI.  It was a tricky situation since he'd been working up here for a couple of years and this was were his wife and all his stuff was.

Anyway, it seems odd to me that if you pay your debt to society and get are granted a pardon then this should be an issue going in either direction.  Especially if the original charge was, in essence, a ticket  because he was lucky that he didn't kill a single mom and her two small children.


ftfy.
 
2013-02-03 11:12:48 PM  
Sure today we say WTF for pot big freaken deal!!!!! BUT.......32 years ago 2 grams of pot is like getting caught today with a pound of heroin and a few guns, that guy must have been "crazy" law breaking government hating nut job....or stoned.
 
2013-02-03 11:14:37 PM  

KimNorth: Sure today we say WTF for pot big freaken deal!!!!! BUT.......32 years ago 2 grams of pot is like getting caught today with a pound of heroin and a few guns, that guy must have been "crazy" law breaking government hating nut job....or stoned.


32 years ago up to an ounce was a $15 ticket in Ann Arbor
 
2013-02-03 11:15:38 PM  

King Something: fusillade762: Oh for f*ck's sake. Isn't there a statute of limitations on this shiat?

For possession of a naturally-occurring substance that's less toxic than purified water(LIE 1),more widespread than most other plant-life(LIE 2),with plenty of legitimate medical and industrial uses and with no side-effects except laziness, a case of the munchies and being kinda tired(LIE 3)?

 
2013-02-03 11:16:05 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Sleeping Monkey: A US citizen with a DUI can't go to Canada, so Canadians are safe from foreign beer drinkers and Americans are safe from foreign hippies. Imagine the anarchy if we didn't have these rules.

You can 5 years after the 1st conviction, pay the $500 bribe and kiss their ass.


I think it's $1000.  Or actually, it could only be $200, depending on how "serious" the Canucks determine your offense to be.  I suspect in practice most or all of them are the really "serious" variety that requires $1000 to demonstrate you've been properly rehabilitated.

/ nothing says "rehabbed" like cold, hard cash
 
2013-02-03 11:16:54 PM  
2 grams!? That's like, what? $1000, street value, right?
 
2013-02-03 11:18:45 PM  
Well his mistake was coming in from the northern side...come from the Southern border my Canadian friends. When will you learn?
 
2013-02-03 11:19:18 PM  
He knew he couldn't come over.

For one, they told him when he got convicted.
For two, they told him at the border the last time he tried.  I'm sure this isn't the first time in 32 years.

A lifetime ban means just that.

If in fact he could have gotten it taken care of for $500, he needed to do that when he won the contest.  It looks like he didn't.
 
2013-02-03 11:20:00 PM  
Usually any drug crime makes you inadmissible to the U.S., but there's an exception if the crime was possession of marijuana under 30 grams, as long as it was for personal use. Assuming he has no other crimes he should've been allowed in, just would've needed to call an immigration attorney to write something up for port parole.
 
2013-02-03 11:20:25 PM  
pinkie.ponychan.net
 
2013-02-03 11:20:29 PM  
Man, awful lot of hate for 'merka in the CBC's comments section there.

You guys have the same rule as us.  Any criminal convinction is a reason to deny entry.  (Well, that and any DUI convinction is a reason to deny entry into Canada even though it isn't/wasn't necessarily a criminal matter in the states.)

Don't like it?  We'll change our policy when you change yours.

/Suck it, smug Canucks.
 
2013-02-03 11:21:02 PM  
hahaguy.jpg

He should have flown to Mexico first, then just came on up from the southern border. He'd have no trouble getting to the game that way.
 
2013-02-03 11:21:22 PM  

sprgrss: In other words, violating the law has repercussions.



So my 31 year-old DUI conviction, for which I paid a fine and served a few hours in jail, should be enough to keep me out of Canada?

Idiot.
 
2013-02-03 11:22:16 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: "Ironic"? I'm normally not part of the Irony Police, but... What?


ironic, as in "10000 spoons when all you need is a knife"
 
2013-02-03 11:22:48 PM  

Ed 'Too Tall' Jones: Smeggy Smurf: Sleeping Monkey: A US citizen with a DUI can't go to Canada, so Canadians are safe from foreign beer drinkers and Americans are safe from foreign hippies. Imagine the anarchy if we didn't have these rules.

You can 5 years after the 1st conviction, pay the $500 bribe and kiss their ass.

I think it's $1000.  Or actually, it could only be $200, depending on how "serious" the Canucks determine your offense to be.  I suspect in practice most or all of them are the really "serious" variety that requires $1000 to demonstrate you've been properly rehabilitated.

/ nothing says "rehabbed" like cold, hard cash


Last I checked the $1000 bribe was for 2nd offenders along with a 10 year wait and some other absurdly expensive paperwork.
 
2013-02-03 11:23:22 PM  

OregonVet: Tumunga: I disagree. A criminal is a criminal.

Luckily you don't live in a glass house.


Nope. It's vinyl, and I've never broken the law in public, so there. Now, your mom on the other hand...
 
2013-02-03 11:25:20 PM  

Devo37: Fluorescent Testicle: "Ironic"? I'm normally not part of the Irony Police, but... What?

ironic, as in "10000 spoons when all you need is a knife"


*golfclap*  Well played, good sir!
 
2013-02-03 11:25:24 PM  
2 grams? Keep your metric system in your own damn country!
 
2013-02-03 11:28:03 PM  
2 grams?  What, did he leave a twig in a baggie or something?

fark Canada.  A buddy of mine was denied entry forever because Canada BSA found a seed on his floor mat at the gate.
 
2013-02-03 11:29:02 PM  
As someone who was denied entry to Canada for a ajudicated conviction in a sealed record from nearly 30 years ago, I'm not really getting much of a kick out of this thread.

Protip: When immigration asks you if you think the current line of questioning is a joke, do not answer "yes".
 
2013-02-03 11:29:43 PM  
Yeah!  You just stay up there in Canadia with your floppy heads and all.
 
2013-02-03 11:35:45 PM  

lolpix: 2 grams? Keep your metric system in your own damn country!


i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-03 11:35:59 PM  
Well, to be fair, 2 grams of weaponized, aerosolized marijuana could kill the entire population of the eastern seaboard of the United States.
 
2013-02-03 11:37:17 PM  

you are a puppet: Usually any drug crime makes you inadmissible to the U.S., but there's an exception if the crime was possession of marijuana under 30 grams, as long as it was for personal use. Assuming he has no other crimes he should've been allowed in, just would've needed to call an immigration attorney to write something up for port parole.


This, actually. It's not hard to dot your "i"s and cross your "t"s prior to crossing the border from one country to another, especially if it's because you've won a prize. Next time, call ahead.
 
2013-02-03 11:37:59 PM  

apoptotic: sheep snorter: Dumbass.
Its a quick pop into court for a quicky pardon and get your record sealed and you are free to enter any country pot smoking hippy again.

It's not that simple, actually. And the US doesn't recognize Canadian pardons anyway, or vice versa.


A pardon will remove it from any record that could be found by the standard check, though, right?
And when you are asked if you have any convictions, if you have received a pardon you can answer "no" without it being considered false info, if I understand things correctly.

That being said, a pardon takes 6-8 months minimum, I believe, and some $. If he didn't feel that he needed to get a pardon for any other reason up until now, even if he had realized it was going to be a problem for this trip, he didn't have enough notice to get it done.
 
2013-02-03 11:39:58 PM  

shotglasss: hahaguy.jpg

He should have flown to Mexico first, then just came on up from the southern border. He'd have no trouble getting to the game that way.


There's really no point in trying that when the airlines provide US authorities with the passengers lists of any planes that cross through US airspace.
 
2013-02-03 11:40:20 PM  

you are a puppet: Usually any drug crime makes you inadmissible to the U.S., but there's an exception if the crime was possession of marijuana under 30 grams, as long as it was for personal use. Assuming he has no other crimes he should've been allowed in, just would've needed to call an immigration attorney to write something up for port parole.


If it's not even that big of a deal and we make a distinction legally, I don't even see why he should even have to call anyone or do anything about it.  If they're able to tell that he has a conviction, can't they also see that it was for less than 30 grams?
 
2013-02-03 11:46:24 PM  
If he'd stuck with Bud Lite instead of Bud Lit, he wouldn't be in this shiat...

/ fark borders - why can't we have a world with no borders?
 
2013-02-03 11:47:15 PM  

jmr61: sprgrss: In other words, violating the law has repercussions.


So my 31 year-old DUI conviction, for which I paid a fine and served a few hours in jail, should be enough to keep me out of Canada?

Idiot.


No, both GW Bush and Dick Cheney have visited Canada. Between them, they have 5 DWI*.


*Texas lost all of Bush's driving records when he was elected Govornor, it is thought he committed at least one DWI in Texas.
 
2013-02-03 11:53:26 PM  
Fly to Mexico and come in to this country like most do. Problem solved.

Wait..... Game over... Too bad
 
2013-02-03 11:53:53 PM  
Not ironic and "Super Bowl" is two words.
 
2013-02-03 11:54:22 PM  

jmr61: sprgrss: In other words, violating the law has repercussions.


So my 31 year-old DUI conviction, for which I paid a fine and served a few hours in jail, should be enough to keep me out of Canada?

Idiot.


Probably. I've seen it happen on a 20 year old DUI. Also, my wife's sister and her husband are now barred from coming here (thank GOODNESS, since my sister-in-law is a total vindictive, rude, judgmental, selfish witch since she quit drinking a few years ago. She was a lot happier as a drunk - now she is just sober and psychotic.)

Mind you, sis and her husband have enough DUIs between them that he can't use his commercial license without an interlock and she actually served a month in jail (in WI, where usually they don't much care) for her DUIs.
 
2013-02-03 11:56:01 PM  

Elzar: If he'd stuck with Bud Lite instead of Bud Lit, he wouldn't be in this shiat...

/ fark borders - why can't we have a world with no borders?


Because mexicans.
 
2013-02-03 11:57:00 PM  

jmr61: So my 31 year-old DUI conviction, for which I paid a fine and served a few hours in jail, should be enough to keep me out of Canada?


mr. zobear's 21 year old DUI got him carefully scrutinized and led to his having to fill out several forms (I think he had to apply for a Canadian visa of some sort) and promising not to leave the airport when he was flying to Europe via Toronto last year.

At some point it becomes bullshiat to have to pay to prove you've been rehabilitated.

/group W bench graduate.
 
2013-02-03 11:57:54 PM  
They don't care about my mushroom offense, been back and forth plenty since then.

boggling
 
2013-02-03 11:58:33 PM  

TheRealAde: apoptotic: sheep snorter: Dumbass.
Its a quick pop into court for a quicky pardon and get your record sealed and you are free to enter any country pot smoking hippy again.

It's not that simple, actually. And the US doesn't recognize Canadian pardons anyway, or vice versa.

A pardon will remove it from any record that could be found by the standard check, though, right?
And when you are asked if you have any convictions, if you have received a pardon you can answer "no" without it being considered false info, if I understand things correctly.

That being said, a pardon takes 6-8 months minimum, I believe, and some $. If he didn't feel that he needed to get a pardon for any other reason up until now, even if he had realized it was going to be a problem for this trip, he didn't have enough notice to get it done.


No, receiving a pardon just lets you answer No to the question (used on employment/volunteer applications) "Have you ever been convicted in Canada of a crime for which a pardon has not been granted?". It doesn't guarantee that US officials can't still see your record, as they would have had access to it before it was set apart (not sealed) by CPIC. There is no way to know if they accessed/made note of your record before a pardon was issued. Since the border guards ask if you've ever been convicted of a crime (or possibly even if you've ever been arrested), answering No would be a lie, and they take lying pretty seriously.

What's needed to enter the US is a travel waiver, which is completely different from a Canadian pardon. The one similarity would be the cost and wait time.  You can apply for a waiver whether or not you've gotten a pardon, and whether you're granted a waiver is up to whoever happens to process the application. Before applying for a waiver it wouldn't hurt to request a "detailed information check" on yourself so you know what US officials will see. I found that out the hard way when I was denied a waiver. Upon investigating, I found what I assume is the reason - I had a severe allergic reaction to a prescription medication, and when a family member called the police to come check on me because he couldn't reach me, the dispatcher keyed it in as a "possible overdose", so as far as the person processing my waiver application was concerned, police records show that I'm a junkie.
 
2013-02-03 11:59:35 PM  

austerity101: you are a puppet: Usually any drug crime makes you inadmissible to the U.S., but there's an exception if the crime was possession of marijuana under 30 grams, as long as it was for personal use. Assuming he has no other crimes he should've been allowed in, just would've needed to call an immigration attorney to write something up for port parole.

If it's not even that big of a deal and we make a distinction legally, I don't even see why he should even have to call anyone or do anything about it.  If they're able to tell that he has a conviction, can't they also see that it was for less than 30 grams?


Not really, they would just have a copy of his criminal record but no details outside the name of what he charged with. So they see something along the lines of MARIJUANA POSSESSION - MISD, w/e it's called in the state he was arrested in. You would need to show that the crime he was charged with e.g. State code 16-343 is for marijuana under an an ounce. And you would have to show them the part of the INA that says under 30 grams is an exception, because they might not know that without being told.  And you would have to be nice because just because they still have discretion. But 2 grams of marijuana, 32 years ago? Get an attorney to write something up and make it nice and pretty and you will almost definitely be allowed in.
 
2013-02-04 12:01:39 AM  

fusillade762: Oh for f*ck's sake. Isn't there a statute of limitations on this shiat?


No, because Terror.
 
2013-02-04 12:07:17 AM  

fusillade762: Oh for f*ck's sake. Isn't there a statute of limitations on this shiat?


Um, statute of limitations doesn't apply to convictions, dude.
 
2013-02-04 12:07:22 AM  
These rules are for plebes. They don't ask these questions to those arriving on private planes.
 
2013-02-04 12:08:46 AM  

jmr61: sprgrss: In other words, violating the law has repercussions.


So my 31 year-old DUI conviction, for which I paid a fine and served a few hours in jail, should be enough to keep me out of Canada?

Idiot.


Yes, and why exactly do you think it shouldn't?  You don't have a right to crossing another country's border. You are there by-their-leave and nothing more.
 
2013-02-04 12:10:09 AM  
I have no idea what this thread is about... please check how long I have been around... I love you all... but today I feel likie checking out... I am hoping  you smart assess can stop me
 
2013-02-04 12:12:34 AM  

jmr61: sprgrss: In other words, violating the law has repercussions.


So my 31 year-old DUI conviction, for which I paid a fine and served a few hours in jail, should be enough to keep me out of Canada?

Idiot.


If Canada says so, then yes.  You are the idiot with the DUI, no one else.
 
2013-02-04 12:13:52 AM  
dude's own fault..not hard to apply for a pardon, and be successful with it
 
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