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2013-02-03 07:28:00 PM
911 is a joke in Chitown!
 
2013-02-03 07:32:47 PM
It's nice to know that the crime rate is so high that no farks are being given.
 
2013-02-03 07:34:35 PM
Let me predict -- fire and medical won't respond until the scene is cleared by Police, Police won't come, hundreds of extra people bleed out every week.

And they charge a few people for tampering with evidence when they drive themselves or their family to the hospital instead.
 
2013-02-03 07:34:48 PM
SpdrJay: 911 is a joke in Chitown!

Because when seconds matter, the cops are only minutes away.
 
2013-02-03 07:35:05 PM
On the bright side, no cops will notice your grow room while you're reporting a burglary.
 
2013-02-03 07:36:09 PM
This is more reasonable then you'd expect, if you actually read the article.

911 is for emergencies.  If your garage was broken into when you were at work, that's not a 911 event.
 
2013-02-03 07:37:33 PM
And now a fee to collect your police report for insurance... just to round it out.
 
2013-02-03 07:38:25 PM

Satanic_Hamster: This is more reasonable then you'd expect, if you actually read the article.

911 is for emergencies.  If your garage was broken into when you were at work, that's not a 911 event.


But what if McDonalds gets my order wrong?!?!
 
2013-02-03 07:38:46 PM

fnordfocus: Let me predict -- fire and medical won't respond until the scene is cleared by Police, Police won't come, hundreds of extra people bleed out every week.

And they charge a few people for tampering with evidence when they drive themselves or their family to the hospital instead.


Way to RTFA... they will still respond if there are injuries. Lots of police departments do this. When you don't have enough officers and a phone report will suffice, why rush people over there?
 
2013-02-03 07:40:24 PM
The best thing to ever happen to Chicago was when it burned in 1871.
The worst thing to ever happen to Chicago is when it was rebuilt.

I hope it burns again and I hope that, this time, people have the good sense to let it remain a pile of ashes. A heap of cinders has infinitely more going for it than that shiathole.
Chicago, it's criminals, its corrupt cops and politicians, and the rest of the idiots who choose to call it home can rot there.
 
2013-02-03 07:40:32 PM
If it was clear just what an "emergency" entailed, many people would call the regular police number instead of 911.
 
2013-02-03 07:41:15 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: If it was clear just what an "emergency" entailed, many people would call the regular police number instead of 911.


Is someone going to die? No? Then it's not an emergency.
 
2013-02-03 07:42:08 PM
If someone reports the smell of weed from next door, though, they'll still dispatch a tactical team and screw shoot the pooch, right? Then they can write a ticket for possession of a small amount and get the revenue.
 
2013-02-03 07:43:02 PM

JSam21: Way to RTFA... they will still respond if there are injuries. Lots of police departments do this. When you don't have enough officers and a phone report will suffice, why rush people over there?


I read the article, just don't believe it.

CPD hasn't responded to most of these things in decades, but they feel the need to order an article up, so something's obviously changing.
 
2013-02-03 07:46:35 PM

fusillade762: Satanic_Hamster: This is more reasonable then you'd expect, if you actually read the article.

911 is for emergencies.  If your garage was broken into when you were at work, that's not a 911 event.

But what if McDonalds gets my order wrong?!?!


That is what the national media is for.
 
2013-02-03 07:47:19 PM

gadian: AverageAmericanGuy: If it was clear just what an "emergency" entailed, many people would call the regular police number instead of 911.

Is someone going to die? No? Then it's not an emergency.


It's not always clear during a beating how bad it will be.

Oakland Police, for example, have a policy of only responding to "bad" battery cases.
 
2013-02-03 07:49:29 PM
Coming next... 1-900-911: $10/minute charged to your phone bill.
 
2013-02-03 07:49:30 PM

fnordfocus: Oakland Police, for example, have a policy of only responding to "bad" battery cases.


That very idea just makes my brain itch.  Perhaps I should change it to "might someone die".
 
2013-02-03 07:50:36 PM

fusillade762: Satanic_Hamster: This is more reasonable then you'd expect, if you actually read the article.

911 is for emergencies.  If your garage was broken into when you were at work, that's not a 911 event.

But what if McDonalds gets my order wrong?!?!


IF the meats still bleeding they should respond.
 
2013-02-03 07:53:24 PM

fnordfocus: gadian: AverageAmericanGuy: If it was clear just what an "emergency" entailed, many people would call the regular police number instead of 911.

Is someone going to die? No? Then it's not an emergency.

It's not always clear during a beating how bad it will be.

Oakland Police, for example, have a policy of only responding to "bad" battery cases.


Given it's Oakland, who's PD actually has a court-appointed receiver because of their past involvment with BEING the batterer, this isn't necessarily a bad thing...
 
2013-02-03 07:57:12 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: If it was clear just what an "emergency" entailed, many people would call the regular police number instead of 911.


I agree, but most people have no idea what the regular number is. I know I have no idea what number to dial.
 
2013-02-03 07:58:28 PM

jehovahs witness protection: AverageAmericanGuy: If it was clear just what an "emergency" entailed, many people would call the regular police number instead of 911.

I agree, but most people have no idea what the regular number is. I know I have no idea what number to dial.


There should be another non-emergency number. 611 or something.
 
2013-02-03 07:59:48 PM

jehovahs witness protection: AverageAmericanGuy: If it was clear just what an "emergency" entailed, many people would call the regular police number instead of 911.

I agree, but most people have no idea what the regular number is. I know I have no idea what number to dial.


Well, when PDs stopped putting the local number on their cruisers and put a "call 911" sticker on them, surprisingly, people complied...
 
2013-02-03 08:03:03 PM

fnordfocus: JSam21: Way to RTFA... they will still respond if there are injuries. Lots of police departments do this. When you don't have enough officers and a phone report will suffice, why rush people over there?

I read the article, just don't believe it.

CPD hasn't responded to most of these things in decades, but they feel the need to order an article up, so something's obviously changing.


For most normal, law-abiding citizens, being the victim of any crime is a BFD. Last week, a mean person smashed up my car in a hit-and-run accident. I was okay, so I didn't expect a police officer to be dispatched when I called the non-emergency number. But, one came out anyway. He was very nice. It wasn't necessary for a live human to take my statement in person, but it did make me feel better, like some person in big bad law enforcement cared about my well-being. It goes a long way to making people feel safe and respected in their communities.
 
2013-02-03 08:03:16 PM

Abominable Loch Ness Sasquatch: The best thing to ever happen to Chicago was when it burned in 1871.
The worst thing to ever happen to Chicago is when it was rebuilt.

I hope it burns again and I hope that, this time, people have the good sense to let it remain a pile of ashes. A heap of cinders has infinitely more going for it than that shiathole.
Chicago, it's criminals, its corrupt cops and politicians, and the rest of the idiots who choose to call it home can rot there.




I am sure that they care deeply about one redneck thinks about them.
 
2013-02-03 08:04:36 PM
AverageAmericanGuy: There should be another non-emergency number. 611 or something.

Many cities already use 311 for this purpose. It needs wider use and exposure.

I get that they can't let officers be tied up with non-emergency calls, but I also hope that they're treating the data with some measure of importance. If three people call within the same hour to report car burglaries, dispatching an officer might be worthwhile.
 
2013-02-03 08:04:54 PM
Sounds like it's time for a private company to set up their own armed medical response team. Could be a good job for veterans.
 
GBB
2013-02-03 08:06:12 PM
911:  911, what's your emergency?
caller: Someone just stole my car!!
911: When?
caller: just NOW!
911: where are they now?
caller: they just drove off.
911: what kind of car?
caller: it's an 08 Kia
911: what color?
caller: Black.
911: Did you see the person who stole it?
caller: no, he was in a tow truck.
911: wat?   Are you behind on your payment?
caller: ..... a little.
 
2013-02-03 08:06:47 PM
But think about the big tax cut this will create.

[crickets]
 
2013-02-03 08:09:26 PM
So who do I call when I need someone to shoot my dog?
 
2013-02-03 08:11:29 PM
It looks like the specific change is this: Crime victims had the option of filing reports on the phone or they could insist on an in-person response and wait until a squad car was free. Now, they won't have that option. That's expected to more than double the number of case reports taken over the phone-to 151,000 a year - and free the equivalent of 44 officers a day for patrol and to respond to more serious crimes.

So basically people can't demand an officer show up for their burglary or property damage report because THEY don't want to file a phone report and want a cop to come by and listen to them biatch about how the neighbor kids are always so disrespectful and throw trash over the fence. Given that the article specifically references things like property damage reports, garage break-ins, bad checks and harassing phone calls, I'm willing to bet neighbor disputes have been taking up a lot of police time that they need for more serious crimes, and this is the most tactful way of dealing with it that they can figure out.
 
2013-02-03 08:17:31 PM
Don't most major dispatch centers already do this?  Police have a non-emergency line for shiat like stolen bicycles and vandalized storefronts.  If you call 911 and someone isn't bleeding or about to be bleeding, they automatically just take down your information for future followup, once all the actual emergencies have been covered.
 
2013-02-03 08:26:09 PM

HotWingAgenda: Don't most major dispatch centers already do this?  Police have a non-emergency line for shiat like stolen bicycles and vandalized storefronts.  If you call 911 and someone isn't bleeding or about to be bleeding, they automatically just take down your information for future followup, once all the actual emergencies have been covered.


It is amazing how many people have no concept of this.
 
2013-02-03 08:28:47 PM
This reminds me of the line from "Dredd" when he was talking to the rookie about MegaCity. Of all the crimes that happen in MegaCity, in reality the Judges can only respond to 9% of them.
 
2013-02-03 08:33:03 PM
 So they've taken up my mothers policy of "If I have to come out there somebody better god damned be dying".
This can't possible end well.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-02-03 08:42:50 PM

HypnozombieX: So they've taken up my mothers policy of "If I have to come out there somebody better god damned be dying".
This can't possible end well.

Hypnozombie


It's better than "Someone will be dying when we get there." but not quite as good as "Chicago PD's so bored, they'll drive out to get your cat out of a tree." which is the goal.
 
2013-02-03 08:44:01 PM
The police are not there to help you. They are there to catch the bad guys after the fact.

/sometimes
 
2013-02-03 08:46:55 PM

ImpendingCynic: AverageAmericanGuy: There should be another non-emergency number. 611 or something.

Many cities already use 311 for this purpose. It needs wider use and exposure.

I get that they can't let officers be tied up with non-emergency calls, but I also hope that they're treating the data with some measure of importance. If three people call within the same hour to report car burglaries, dispatching an officer might be worthwhile.


It's virtually impossible to get in touch with local police for non-emergencies unless it happens to be between 9AM - 4PM and you can get transferred by the village clerk to their desk guy. This is despite the fact that there are several state troopers working out of the same building and driving by my house every day (I live within quick walking distance).  I'd be happy to call a regular number but they hide that shiat pretty well.

Also when I was trying to get the police report from my car accident last summer (different town), the first five times I called, they literally didn't have anyone working there, answering phones. Found that out via a Google search, which brought up an article about budget cuts.

/modern America, yeah!
 
2013-02-03 08:59:42 PM
I think Detroit stopped responding to all 911 calls.

Somewhere in Detroit a phone rings and rings and rings.

I do have a lovely collection of spent shell casings and assorted sea glass in a nice vase. Really ties the room together.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-02-03 08:59:47 PM
It's always amusing to see the police knob gobblers defend the never ending incompetence, criminal behavior and outright corruption in police departments around the nation.

God forbid taxpayers expect a little service from the police departments which consume a huge portion of their tax dollars.  Police unions have argued that if we want good policing we have to pay cops better.  Many urban police make $100k and more.  Yet the incompetence has increased.
 
2013-02-03 09:02:37 PM

way south: So who do I call when I need someone to shoot my dog?


you will have to choke him yourself with your bootstraps
 
2013-02-03 09:06:21 PM

NFA: It's always amusing to see the police knob gobblers defend the never ending incompetence, criminal behavior and outright corruption in police departments around the nation.

God forbid taxpayers expect a little service from the police departments which consume a huge portion of their tax dollars.  Police unions have argued that if we want good policing we have to pay cops better.  Many urban police make $100k and more.  Yet the incompetence has increased.


It's always amusing to see the societal dregs attack the officers that actually do their jobs etc etc

Happy now? We're balanced once more.
 
2013-02-03 09:14:15 PM

gadian: AverageAmericanGuy: If it was clear just what an "emergency" entailed, many people would call the regular police number instead of 911.

Is someone going to die? No? Then it's not an emergency.


I honestly tried calling 311 for a car alarm that wouldn't shut off and they re directed me to 911.

/nobody showed after an hour
 
2013-02-03 09:21:33 PM
"...Hey, Here's a dollar, thanks for nothin'"

/shouldn't be obscure
 
2013-02-03 09:36:31 PM

Satanic_Hamster: This is more reasonable then you'd expect, if you actually read the article.

911 is for emergencies.  If your garage was broken into when you were at work, that's not a 911 event.


Yup.  In local terms they're just redirecting 311 calls to 311 from 911.

AverageAmericanGuy: There should be another non-emergency number. 611 or something.


I believe 611 is used for your telephone company--I know that's how it works here at least.  The non-emergency police number here is 311.  I don't know if that's nationwide or not.

HotWingAgenda: Don't most major dispatch centers already do this?  Police have a non-emergency line for shiat like stolen bicycles and vandalized storefronts.  If you call 911 and someone isn't bleeding or about to be bleeding, they automatically just take down your information for future followup, once all the actual emergencies have been covered.


I've found their definitions don't always agree with mine, though.  More than once I've called in on 311 over road hazards and had the call redirected to 911 even though it would be very unlikely for the situation to have ended up with anyone bleeding.  I don't really think anyone was going to be seriously hurt by the street light pole lying in the road (I really wish I knew what happened to cause it to be laying there--the ground around it's anchor point showed no signs of a vehicle having plowed through it!) and it was many hours until darkness, yet they treated it as a 911 rather than 311.

Lupine Chemist: I honestly tried calling 311 for a car alarm that wouldn't shut off and they re directed me to 911.

/nobody showed after an hour


And yet when I called 911 about a car alarm driving around the neighborhood they felt it was a 311 matter.  (Yes, nobody was going to get hurt but it was likely a car theft in progress.)
 
2013-02-03 09:47:51 PM

gadian: AverageAmericanGuy: If it was clear just what an "emergency" entailed, many people would call the regular police number instead of 911.

Is someone going to die? No? Then it's not an emergency.


We're all gonna die.
 
2013-02-03 09:52:38 PM
"It's a traumatic thing being the victim of a crime. This will be a little more convenient for them as well," he said.

I can actually see the convenience of this.  If I can just give my info over the phone then I don't need to worry about my dog's life if/when they randomly show up a few days later to look into things.

Other than that I really can't see the easing of trauma by people essentially being given the brush off by those they believe are there to protect them (we know that legally they aren't required to but there are still a LOT of people out there who think that they are)
 
2013-02-03 10:01:55 PM
What a nice blue city.  A preview of what is to come America.
 
2013-02-03 10:13:25 PM
Bet theres money to be made creating a privatized police force for those who can afford it.....

I just read what I typed...and I died a little inside because I know im right.
 
2013-02-03 10:20:54 PM

Anne.Uumellmahaye: gadian: AverageAmericanGuy: If it was clear just what an "emergency" entailed, many people would call the regular police number instead of 911.

Is someone going to die? No? Then it's not an emergency.

We're all gonna die.


Everybody panic?
 
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