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(New Musical Express)   Michael Bay denies Transformers 4 is a reboot, says it actually takes place four years after the events of the previous films, but will still have his trademark explosions and lack of discernible plot   (nme.com) divider line 78
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2013-02-03 06:50:14 PM
There's a 3? Who watches this dreck?
 
2013-02-03 07:23:10 PM
you can see the pyramids from Jordan
 
2013-02-03 07:26:18 PM
Will the jive talking transformers be back?
 
2013-02-03 07:30:20 PM
Mark Wahlberg is going to be in the fourth movie? I can't wait.

"Hey. So you're Optimus Prime? You turn into a semi truck, huh? Yeah. Well, I was in 'Ted' with Seth MacFarlane. Say 'hello' to your mother for me."
 
2013-02-03 07:35:10 PM
Cool. Can Wahlberg play a cross between the white trash character from 'Perfect Storm' and the sniper guy he was in that one movie?
 
2013-02-03 07:41:14 PM
Michael Bay has a special talent. It takes a special skill to make a movie about transforming robots fighting each other boring.
 
2013-02-03 07:44:11 PM
Obligatory: Baysplosions   http://youtu.be/v7ssUivM-eM
 
2013-02-03 07:49:20 PM

simplicimus: There's a 3? Who watches this dreck?


I got a digital copy for free with my Nexus 7.  I also got a $25 Play credit.

/it was like Google was trying to say "sorry 'bout that"
//it was quite bad
 
2013-02-03 08:05:56 PM
If anything, the main problem with the last three films was that there was too much plot.

Seriously, if Michael Bay wants to make a good Transformers film, he should just stick to what he's good at and film 2 hours of giant robots and wall-to-wall explosions without any corny human plot lines in between. That's what the audience wants, anyway.

Okay for good measure, he can also stick in a few scenes of a skimpily dressed Megan Fox (or that British chick, or whatever skirt is "washing his Ferrari" nowadays).
 
2013-02-03 08:07:05 PM

enry: simplicimus: There's a 3? Who watches this dreck?

I got a digital copy for free with my Nexus 7.  I also got a $25 Play credit.

/it was like Google was trying to say "sorry 'bout that"
//it was quite bad


I've gone to the theater to see all 3.

It has been the best sleep I have gotten in years.
People won't call you if you are at a movie.
 
2013-02-03 08:09:18 PM
Will I be able to sit in the front row of the theatre and go "Holy fark, it's like giant robots are about to fly over my head!"? Most likely yes. I go to the movies for a big picture and big sounds. I have no need to watch serious heartfelt dramas on such a large screen. You just get distracted by all the moles and nose hair on the giant faces.
 
2013-02-03 08:14:26 PM
Hopefully more Rosie Huntington-Whitely and less Shia.
Maybe she can squeeze Megan Fox's breasts for her.
 
2013-02-03 08:17:43 PM

enry: simplicimus: There's a 3? Who watches this dreck?

I got a digital copy for free with my Nexus 7.  I also got a $25 Play credit.

/it was like Google was trying to say "sorry 'bout that"
//it was quite bad


I not only didn't know that there was a Transformers 3 but I didn't know Google rebranded the android market.

/and google needs to pay people to use it?  interesting ...
 
2013-02-03 08:17:56 PM

Kurmudgeon: Hopefully more Rosie Huntington-Whitely and less Shia.
Maybe she can squeeze Megan Fox's breasts for her.


Rachel Taylor from the first movie is better than both of 'em.
 
2013-02-03 08:22:38 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Seriously, if Michael Bay wants to make a good Transformers film, he should just stick to what he's good at and film 2 hours of giant robots and wall-to-wall explosions without any corny human plot lines in between


That's the problem though. he made a movie about transforming robots fighting each other boring. The filler stuff with the humans was boring as hell but Bay managed to make the robot fighting stuff boring as shiat. At least in the the first two films. I didn't get around to the third film, that one could have been awesome for all I know.
 
2013-02-03 08:23:14 PM
Take out the explosions and add some light aircraft and people drinking coffee and you can have yourselves a Coleman Francis movie.
 
2013-02-03 08:26:36 PM
I don't understand why Dreamworks/Paramount insists on farking up what could be a great franchise by once again hiring Bay. I mean look how much money it made by being awful, just imagine the profits if it was good.
 
2013-02-03 08:52:15 PM

GreenAdder: Mark Wahlberg is going to be in the fourth movie? I can't wait.

"Hey. So you're Optimus Prime? You turn into a semi truck, huh? Yeah. Well, I was in 'Ted' with Seth MacFarlane. Say 'hello' to your mother for me."


I loved his Top Gear interview when he admitted to stealing a neighbor's car on roughly 12 occasions.
 
2013-02-03 08:55:31 PM
The first one was fairly good, but after that they just started getting less and less coherent. I couldn't even make sense of the 3rd one and have given up watching it after several attempts. It's just painful.
 
2013-02-03 09:06:27 PM
Who cares what the story is about?  It isn't like you could hear the dialog over the 'splosions anyway.
 
2013-02-03 09:27:05 PM
I have no problem with it having a new cast but not being a reboot. We don't need a new origin story every fourth movie. Just pick up and keep going.
 
2013-02-03 09:27:41 PM
Optimus Prime was a dick in Dark of the Moon. He faked his death and let half of Chicago get farked up, with thousands probably dying in the process, just so he could tell the humans "told you so".
 
2013-02-03 09:30:36 PM
Meh. I'm ok with the first 3. Different genres of movies accomplish different things. And if I really want to spend an evening thinking, that's what books are for. The Transformers series is decent low brown entertainment. They're fine in theater and maybe once a year if they're on TV or something. No one is forcing any of to watch them.
 
2013-02-03 10:02:31 PM
First one was decent enough, the other 2 were awful. I can write better plots with fewer inconsistencies while tripping acid and channeling Salvidor Dali. The sequels weren't just bad, they were MST3k level of bad.
 
2013-02-03 10:11:56 PM
It doesnt matter, he will still make movies for mouthbreathers, and mouthbreathers will still show up and hand over their money.
 
2013-02-03 10:20:21 PM

BalugaJoe: Will the jive talking transformers be back?


"Skids" and "Mudflap"?  Who knows?

/ I should feel embarrassed for knowing their names...
 
2013-02-03 10:41:18 PM

Gergesa: First one was decent enough, the other 2 were awful. I can write better plots with fewer inconsistencies while tripping acid and channeling Salvidor Dali. The sequels weren't just bad, they were MST3k level of bad.


To be a little bit fair about #2, there was an entire eighteen months of bad that came out of Hollywood during that time.  The writers were on strike, and the film companies kept making films without scripts.  TF2 was literally shooting and animating without a script, and then when the strike was over they got someone to try and write a story that stitched together all the 'idea sketches' they had filmed.
 
2013-02-03 10:51:32 PM
We had 3 movies of robots fighting, and it sucked. Give us a good story. That's what made the original cartoon cool.
 
2013-02-03 11:01:24 PM
I avoided these movies, because Michael Bay is a hack... And then one week I decided to torture myself and watch all three, one per day, for three days I had off.

Man... I want to kick Michael Bay in the nuts. Hard.

/Also, Shia thebeef is terrible and should be stopped.
 
2013-02-03 11:01:48 PM
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2013-02-03 11:04:10 PM

GreenAdder: [i.imgur.com image 274x360]



Don't have to cease. Never began.
 
2013-02-03 11:16:47 PM
Original g1/g2 form please
 
2013-02-03 11:44:42 PM

Hagbardr: Take out the explosions and add some light aircraft and people drinking coffee and you can have yourselves a Coleman Francis movie.


THAT'S unfair... to Coleman Francis.
 
2013-02-03 11:48:17 PM

Marshmallow Jones: It doesnt matter, he will still make movies for mouthbreathers, and mouthbreathers will still show up and hand over their money.


Aw, come on, I think you're generalzing a litt...

FunkOut: Will I be able to sit in the front row of the theatre and go "Holy fark, it's like giant robots are about to fly over my head!"? Most likely yes. I go to the movies for a big picture and big sounds.


Oh.
 
2013-02-03 11:48:50 PM

Mugato: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Seriously, if Michael Bay wants to make a good Transformers film, he should just stick to what he's good at and film 2 hours of giant robots and wall-to-wall explosions without any corny human plot lines in between

That's the problem though. he made a movie about transforming robots fighting each other boring. The filler stuff with the humans was boring as hell but Bay managed to make the robot fighting stuff boring as shiat. At least in the the first two films. I didn't get around to the third film, that one could have been awesome for all I know.


I've come to realize that great action scenes are about moments -- that part where the character does something really cool and strikes a pose and you're like "awww yeah"...its like fan service, you can't help it but cheer when the character has their cool moment. The best recent movie to do this was The Avengers. There were moments galore in it, from Captain America kicking alien ass in front of the cops to Thor KO'ing the Hulk with Mjolnir, Hawkeye shooting shiat without looking at it, Hulk just being a big raging ball of fark YOU....every superhero got their chance to shine but the best moment is when the camera pans around all of them in the rubble in the streets of NYC with the triumphant orchestral score and you KNOW the battle is about to begin and its going to be fricken AWESOME.... yeah.

Transformers doesn't do that. Characters need to BE COOL and they need to DO COOL things... none of the transformers were cool. They had ridiculous lowbrow accents. They made stupid decisions. One of them hung out in a garage like a dog and whimpered when his owner had to leave him -- THAT'S NOT COOL. It's not cool when they smack each other around like the Three Stooges. It's not cool when they're peeing, farting, humping, or wandering around absent-mindedly like a bunch of geriatric old farts.

There are no "moments" in Transformers. I can think of one semi-cool moment where I thought "hey this might be pretty good" -- at the beginning of Transformers 2, Sideswipe dispatches a Decepticon while drifting a full 360... and afterwards he does his cool pose and has his moment, blows the smoke off his gun and goes "damn, I'm good". And there I thought: Awesome, maybe this movie will correct the mistakes of the first movie. But then later on there is Devastator.... with two gigantic wrecking balls for gonads. And people point it out.

That's what Transformers has essentially done: Created something cool -- race of military-grade war machines with artificial intelligences from another world......and then reduced them to toilet humour jokes.

Fark you, Michael Bay. If I see you in person, I will seriously punch you in the farking cock.
 
2013-02-03 11:54:03 PM

Heims: The first one was fairly good


Just for curiosity's sake, what part of the first movie was fairly good?

Was it the alien robots peeing, farting, humping, and stepping in dog poo while trying to hide behind a house? Was it the cinematography, with its closeups of jagged metal and shaky claustrophobic in-your-face nonsense of blurring colors and loud, obnoxious noises trying to confuse you instead of show you what's going on? Was it the schizophrenic direction, giving the audiences five opposing tones and moods states in a 40 second timeframe? Where it completely loses focus as to how it wants you to feel about it? And the marketing can't decide if its a slapstick comedy, a teen romantic fable, an action adventure, a political thriller or a war epic? Was it the writing, wrought with plot holes, continuity errors, inane backstory, cringing dialogue, hackneyed cliches like "destiny" subplots and "loser gets the girl" MTV date movie bullshiat? Was it the characters -- underdeveloped and underutilized, with no redeeming qualities in any of the humans and barely any humanity in the robots (except for one), where the leads were played by "exasperated suprised man" and "wooden pinup girl"? Was it the setting, that jumped around from city to desert to halfway around the world without any real considerable time given to how the characters could all get there so fast? Was it the fact that everyone's wearing lipstick for some reason? Was that fairly good? Really?
 
2013-02-03 11:54:44 PM
I may be in the minority here, but I actually didn't mind the first and third Transformers movie.  They were pretty much exactly what I thought they'd be.  High budget toy/General Motors car commercials.   A fourth movie wouldn't upset me, and if it never happened, I wouldn't be bothered.
 
2013-02-03 11:57:59 PM
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Unicron frowns on Bay's shenanigans.
 
2013-02-04 12:03:03 AM

BizarreMan: I have no problem with it having a new cast but not being a reboot. We don't need a new origin story every fourth movie. Just pick up and keep going.


I have an idea.... reboot EVERYTHING. Even the origin story because the current one is farking ass.

Here's my pitch:

How about a robot civil war on a distant planet that bleeds its resources dry, forcing both factions to seek extraterrestrial sources of energy to continue the fight and they both find Earth around relatively the same time. One of the robot factions is benevolent and wants to bargain for our resources, the other is malevolent and wants to suck the planet dry. They fight and we get caught in the crossfire.

And you know why this plot will work? Because it was the farkING TV SHOW 30 YEARS AGO.

I sometimes think these filmmakers over-think their bloated franchises and stuff them with so many characters, factions and sub-plots in an attempt to go for that bombastically epic feel that the inverse happens: The movie comes out looking like an obstinate, overwrought god damn mess. No cohesion or focus at all.

Take a cue from James Cameron (who has never been known to make a bad action movie), and keep the plot simple. Robot civil war. Earth. Fighting for resources. That's all that has to happen. It's simple, it's definable, and it will resonate with today's generation living in a looming age of globalization, dwindling resources, an impending energy crisis, climate change and overpopulation. Don't weigh things down in inane McGuffins or turgid backstory.

So fark mythology, fark destiny and prophecy, fark the all-spark and any other lame McGuffin bullshiat, fark the douchebag kid and his MTV date movie contrived plot with his idiot parents and stupid getting-laid-schemes. And fark the movie robots -- no more slapstick bullshiat. These are intelligent alien war death machines -- essentially a league of robot superheroes. Treat them like it.
 
2013-02-04 12:05:47 AM
I will watch it if:

1) It centers more around the robots than the humans (no more college kid's mom accidentally eating special brownie hijinks).
2) The Transformers transform in a discernible way, instead of that unholy mess of pixels exploding from one shape to another.
 
2013-02-04 12:16:05 AM
Well, how about a Dinobots (or whatever those Transformers were called) movie?
 
2013-02-04 12:50:03 AM

ZeroCorpse: I avoided these movies, because Michael Bay is a hack... And then one week I decided to torture myself and watch all three, one per day, for three days I had off.

Man... I want to kick Michael Bay in the nuts. Hard.

/Also, Shia thebeef is terrible and should be stopped.



I got through the first one and about half of the second before giving up. While anyone that saw Pearl Harbor or Bad Boys II knows that Bay is not great at storytelling, the Transformers flicks were bad even by his standards.
 
2013-02-04 01:13:13 AM
I can barely watch those movies without getting a headache. Back off on the damn cgi ffs!

And the scenes with the camera spinning around whatever they are filming over and over and over.
 
2013-02-04 01:20:39 AM

Mugato: Michael Bay has a special talent. It takes a special skill to make a movie about transforming robots fighting each other boring.


It takes a special skill to make ANY movie with that many explosions in it boring, really.

Although I don't necessarily blame Bay. "The Rock" was pretty good. I blame his choice of leading "man".
 
2013-02-04 01:31:12 AM
In the long run it doesn't matter. Like Star Wars now that it's owned by Disney, we're going to be getting Transformers films as long as there's any energon left to milk from the franchise. They have 4 lines of toys going (Prime / Rescue Bots / Generations / Masterpiece) (5 if you count Encore), an animated series, four concurrent comic titles (Prime / Robots In Disguise / More than Meets the Eye / Regeneration One).

As long as the film makes it's money back (and TF3 make 1.1 billion on a 200 million budget, not counting the money they made from toys and other licensed media) - there will always be another film made at some point in the future.
 
2013-02-04 01:32:03 AM
Damnit, I was hoping for a reboot.  Far too many of the principal characters have been killed off, and frankly, far too many missteps have been made establishing the continuity.

I understand why these first movies had to be about people- while I grew up with Transformers. and am fully versed in and comfortable with the universe, the vast majority of the moviegoing public may not have been.

But with as much money as these movies have made, as big as they have been, it'd be much harder at this point to argue that people wouldn't go see a movie that's actually about the Transformers, as opposed to about how people respond to the Transformers.
 
2013-02-04 01:42:42 AM
Part 1 wasn't very good  but it was watchable. Part 2 isn't. I didn't even know there was a 3rd. I'm in my early 30's, so to quote Danny Glover, "I'm too old for this shiat."
 
2013-02-04 01:50:42 AM

Ishkur: Mugato: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Seriously, if Michael Bay wants to make a good Transformers film, he should just stick to what he's good at and film 2 hours of giant robots and wall-to-wall explosions without any corny human plot lines in between

That's the problem though. he made a movie about transforming robots fighting each other boring. The filler stuff with the humans was boring as hell but Bay managed to make the robot fighting stuff boring as shiat. At least in the the first two films. I didn't get around to the third film, that one could have been awesome for all I know.

I've come to realize that great action scenes are about moments -- that part where the character does something really cool and strikes a pose and you're like "awww yeah"...its like fan service, you can't help it but cheer when the character has their cool moment. The best recent movie to do this was The Avengers. There were moments galore in it, from Captain America kicking alien ass in front of the cops to Thor KO'ing the Hulk with Mjolnir, Hawkeye shooting shiat without looking at it, Hulk just being a big raging ball of fark YOU....every superhero got their chance to shine but the best moment is when the camera pans around all of them in the rubble in the streets of NYC with the triumphant orchestral score and you KNOW the battle is about to begin and its going to be fricken AWESOME.... yeah.

Transformers doesn't do that. Characters need to BE COOL and they need to DO COOL things... none of the transformers were cool. They had ridiculous lowbrow accents. They made stupid decisions. One of them hung out in a garage like a dog and whimpered when his owner had to leave him -- THAT'S NOT COOL. It's not cool when they smack each other around like the Three Stooges. It's not cool when they're peeing, farting, humping, or wandering around absent-mindedly like a bunch of geriatric old farts.

There are no "moments" in Transformers. I can think of one semi-cool moment where I thought "hey th ...


(applause)  Excellent post.
 
2013-02-04 01:52:20 AM

Gyrfalcon: Mugato: Michael Bay has a special talent. It takes a special skill to make a movie about transforming robots fighting each other boring.

It takes a special skill to make ANY movie with that many explosions in it boring, really.

Although I don't necessarily blame Bay. "The Rock" was pretty good. I blame his choice of leading "man".



No, I think it's safe to put it on Bay. "The Rock" looked like it could have been done by any of the directors in the Simpson/Bruckheimer stable (especially Tony Scott). Since Bay was relatively inexperienced, he had Jerry watching him like a hawk through the shoot. The fact that the producers also hired some pretty big talent, including Aaron Sorkin to work on the script also helped.

You can see the decline in the quality of Bay's films by the amount of money the budget goes up and the amount of control he gets.
 
2013-02-04 01:53:38 AM
As someone who isn't quite a nerd but sitting on the fence, robots giving dramatic speeches or engaged in comedy hijinks is just the cheesiest shiat ever. If the movies were actually all about robots fighting, or at least had a cool human protagonist, maybe I could have enjoyed them.
 
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