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(IT World)   Old-time dotcom Buy.com swallowed whole by Japanese e-commerce giant Rakuten, who rebrand it as "Rakuten" and relaunch it in U.S. as Amazon competitor   (itworld.com) divider line 67
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2013-02-04 08:48:49 AM  

sparkeyjames: sirrerun: Babwa Wawa:

As such, there is a huge need for a true, well-financed Amazon competitor.

Say hello to Newegg.

Newegg is still pretty new in the general consumer market. They've been the online store of choice for
knowledgeable geeks for almost 10 years. They still have one whole hell of a lot of catching up to do
if they want to seriously put any sort of dent in Amazon.


No love for Tigerdirect? I think I built my first pc in the early 90s by purchasing most of the major components from them after using Computer Shopper magazine to compare all of the different suppliers / prices. It was just like the web, only on paper!
 
2013-02-04 10:34:52 AM  
Pouring one out for the Wounded Monitor Children.
 
2013-02-04 11:16:23 AM  

moothemagiccow: I found this on rakuten's front page
[thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp image 533x800]


An instantly recognizable figurine of a character from one of the most popular comics in the world?
 
2013-02-04 11:31:37 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Amazon OTOH does $60B a year - almost all in online retail. No competitor offers anything close to what Amazon offers. Apple's rivals are Android, WP8, RIM, etc, etc. Amazon doesn't have a corporate rival - it has only potential competitors. And this is how Amazon's stock price can rise after announcing a loss, and Apple's takes a beating after announcing massive profits.


Amazon has that huge business because they run on razor thin margins in the name of expansion.  But they don't do anything fundamentally different from anyone else.  Every single thing I can get from Amazon I can get from somewhere else.  It might take a few more clicks, it might cost a little more, and it might take a day or two longer to get there but as far as a company it's unique only in its scale.  It's the Walmart of the internet.  I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon but I'd barely blink if they disappeared tomorrow.
 
2013-02-04 11:42:43 AM  

you have pee hands: Babwa Wawa: Amazon OTOH does $60B a year - almost all in online retail. No competitor offers anything close to what Amazon offers. Apple's rivals are Android, WP8, RIM, etc, etc. Amazon doesn't have a corporate rival - it has only potential competitors. And this is how Amazon's stock price can rise after announcing a loss, and Apple's takes a beating after announcing massive profits.

Amazon has that huge business because they run on razor thin margins in the name of expansion.  But they don't do anything fundamentally different from anyone else.  Every single thing I can get from Amazon I can get from somewhere else.  It might take a few more clicks, it might cost a little more, and it might take a day or two longer to get there but as far as a company it's unique only in its scale.  It's the Walmart of the internet.  I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon but I'd barely blink if they disappeared tomorrow.


So you're saying they don't do anything different... except make it easier to find things, sell them cheaper and deliver them faster than their competitors.
 
2013-02-04 12:32:08 PM  

propasaurus: So you're saying they don't do anything different... except make it easier to find things, sell them cheaper and deliver them faster than their competitors.


Yes.  Those are marginal improvements, not fundamental differences.  They don't do anything that's irreplaceable.  They're better than their competitors in a number of little ways, and they're successful for it.  But Babwa Wawa's original question was how much it would change your day to day life if {list of companies} disappeared, and I'm saying that the marginally worse service I'd get elsewhere just wouldn't bother me all that much.
 
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2013-02-04 01:53:37 PM  

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: After having to deal with hell with Amazon for the last week to get a refund back then I'm all for it.

Amazon now only processes refunds through Amazon Payments.  Which is run pretty much like PayPal is run: by idiots, assholes, and automated machines.  The instant the refund hit my Payments account Amazon froze it because they could not verify it.  This account has been open for over a year at this point.  But nope, apparently it's just the instant that they owe me money that there are issues, not when I used it to pay others.  Their suggestions was simply to open a new account (though none of my money would be accessible through the new account, and they said they regretted that).  New account was also frozen instantly when I tried to link it.

They said the only way to verify my account was to send copies of my birth certificate, driver's license, and social security card to them.  But they can't accept any documents containing secure information.

It's like being trapped in hell.  All over $19 farking dollars.

/still bitter about the entire farking thing
//I just want my goddamn money, it should be this difficult!
/would happily accept a competitor at this point as it's clear Amazon has let their power go to their head


I recently had a similar experience using Buy.com/Rakuten, except I did my pleading for a refund with my credit card company as the middle man.  Took two calls (and about 40 minutes total on the phone) over the course of two weeks to get a charge back processed.
 
2013-02-04 02:09:03 PM  
I've never bought anything from buy.com.
 
2013-02-04 02:11:23 PM  

lordargent: WordyGrrl : They're obviously much more aggressive in trying to grab customers than Amazon. Here's a sample of Rakuten's product line:

After a few seconds of searching, I think "One sexpot sexual intercourse pot" is actually a brand, and that's probably a bad translation of the brand's name into English.

One SEXPOT sexual intercourse pot pyramid SKULL choker SD41009-101
All like-new SEXPOT ReVeNGe black prisoner horizontal stripe mesh parka (Border mesh black prisoner Parker) sexual intercourse pot revenge jacket blouson


"I ordered a container in which to store my sexual intercourse, but instead received some fugly jacket! F---! Would NOT buy again!"
 
2013-02-04 03:51:16 PM  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakuten#Global_expansion

WTF is with their penchant of prepending "Rakuten" to the name of every company that they acquire?

I think that kind of thing smacks of "Small Penis Syndrome"
 
2013-02-04 07:48:44 PM  
Placed an order for two pairs of mens shoes from Rakuten...a week later, two womens tshirts arrive. The seller tells me Rakuten passes the wrong order data to them all the time.

So, they have a ways to go.
 
2013-02-04 09:22:53 PM  
dynomutt : WTF is with their penchant of prepending "Rakuten" to the name of every company that they acquire?

Yeah, who do they think they are, Vishay?
 
2013-02-05 09:38:20 AM  
I got the email telling me about a name change. I labeled it as spam based on the new name. I never actually read the email.
 
2013-02-05 03:16:01 PM  

wildcardjack: Screw competing with Amazon, give me a cheap site to get all sorts of weird Japanese stuff without paying for shipping FROM Japan.


=^.^= this
 
2013-02-05 03:48:16 PM  
Buy.com is good for some techie stuff, especially if i want the convinience of a one stop for certain projects, but the Raku points rewards system sucks so much it makes multi sourcing out of spite worth it.

Amazon is awsome.

Alibaba and AliExpress have been surprisingly good; the Chinese have been very thoughtfull and entertaining with gheir broken engrish.
 
2013-02-06 11:33:17 AM  

Babwa Wawa: I'd get an Android.


Not without Google... Windows Phone?
 
2013-02-06 06:18:54 PM  
If they don't charge sales tax, I'll dump Amazon for them.
 
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