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(Argus Leader)   You have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed and we will bill you. If you do not pay the bill, you will go to a maximum-security jail   (argusleader.com) divider line 25
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2013-02-03 05:07:15 PM
4 votes:
How is this different from debtors prisons and workhouses used in the 19th Century?

///other than the legalistic/bureaucratic language used to rationalize it
2013-02-03 05:05:56 PM
4 votes:

namegoeshere: TheOmni: It appears that the article has changed since the headline was written. Using the site's search engine to find any references to court appointed lawyers gives me this blurb:

"Minnehaha County public defender, cites examples of locking up people who don't pay court-appointed lawyer fees or for sitting out fines. "The county doesn't incarcerate people for ..."

But clicking through gives an article that does not have the quoted line anywhere in it.

Page 4:

"The county doesn't incarcerate people for requesting housing assistance or heating assistance," Smith said. "But if people can't afford attorney fees and ask for assistance, the fees are always ordered as part of the sentence. If they are not able to pay, a warrant is issued for their arrest. They sit in jail until their court appearance, and the county is paying $80 a day to house somebody who can't afford to pay for an attorney they couldn't afford to pay for in the beginning."


Methinks this will end up in a Federal court somewhere soon, and the county in question will end up with a rather large bill to pay.
2013-02-03 04:54:43 PM
4 votes:

TheOmni: It appears that the article has changed since the headline was written. Using the site's search engine to find any references to court appointed lawyers gives me this blurb:

"Minnehaha County public defender, cites examples of locking up people who don't pay court-appointed lawyer fees or for sitting out fines. "The county doesn't incarcerate people for ..."

But clicking through gives an article that does not have the quoted line anywhere in it.


Page 4:

"The county doesn't incarcerate people for requesting housing assistance or heating assistance," Smith said. "But if people can't afford attorney fees and ask for assistance, the fees are always ordered as part of the sentence. If they are not able to pay, a warrant is issued for their arrest. They sit in jail until their court appearance, and the county is paying $80 a day to house somebody who can't afford to pay for an attorney they couldn't afford to pay for in the beginning."
2013-02-03 05:08:31 PM
3 votes:

Kumana Wanalaia: This is sick.


I got sick right at TFA's subheadline:

"Less incarceration can free space for outside inmates, raise profits"
2013-02-03 05:06:59 PM
3 votes:

mknight: If they are not able to pay, a warrant is issued for their arrest. They sit in jail until their court appearance, and the county is paying $80 a day to house somebody who can't afford to pay for an attorney they couldn't afford to pay for in the beginning."


You;d think they'd just garnish the guys wages and be done with it. Or allow them work it off via community service. I swear it's been unamusing to watch the country over the last forty years act like tossing people in jail is the solution to everything. At least it seem now a more people seem to realize such is very spensive.
2013-02-03 05:01:10 PM
3 votes:
This is sick.
2013-02-03 04:27:58 PM
3 votes:
It appears that the article has changed since the headline was written. Using the site's search engine to find any references to court appointed lawyers gives me this blurb:

"Minnehaha County public defender, cites examples of locking up people who don't pay court-appointed lawyer fees or for sitting out fines. "The county doesn't incarcerate people for ..."

But clicking through gives an article that does not have the quoted line anywhere in it.
2013-02-03 02:29:17 PM
3 votes:
I'm missing it, subby, and the Modmin who greenlighted this.

Is there other information relating to billing individuals for a state-furnished attorney?
2013-02-03 01:46:53 PM
3 votes:
I only skimmed it, but what does that headline have to do with programs designed to lower the number of inmates?
2013-02-03 06:32:40 PM
2 votes:

iheartscotch: This is how it works in many states; if you get a public defender and loose, the bill for the attorney is often appended to the sentence.

/ how else do you suppose that service gets paid for?


And every single state using this practice needs to be brought up on charges by the Fed for violating 6th Amendment rights.

/taxpayers are supposed to foot the bill
2013-02-03 06:28:37 PM
2 votes:

here to help: um... isn't the right to an attorney kind of like... a RIGHT?


Yup... they are knowingly violating Federal law by doing that.
Right to Counsel

6th Amendment... plus existing case law.

/GED in law...
2013-02-03 05:35:03 PM
2 votes:
um... isn't the right to an attorney kind of like... a RIGHT?
2013-02-03 05:27:50 PM
2 votes:
When regular people do something awful, it's a crime.

When governments do awful things, it's called law enforcement.
2013-02-03 05:18:22 PM
2 votes:
FTA is full of mealy mouth, but it seems likely that charging people for being charged will be the ultimate result

/Can't get funding for a control unit?!
//Can't otherwise afford to keep all the possession charges in prison for 20 years
///Pay for your state provided representation and on an on for the rest of forever, including your kids if we can figure out how to word it, maybe proceeds of crime.

SICK
2013-02-03 05:15:24 PM
2 votes:

gibbon1: mknight: If they are not able to pay, a warrant is issued for their arrest. They sit in jail until their court appearance, and the county is paying $80 a day to house somebody who can't afford to pay for an attorney they couldn't afford to pay for in the beginning."

You;d think they'd just garnish the guys wages and be done with it. Or allow them work it off via community service. I swear it's been unamusing to watch the country over the last forty years act like tossing people in jail is the solution to everything. At least it seem now a more people seem to realize such is very spensive.


Or the state could simply pay the public defence attorney's wages and simply not charge at all for the service.
2013-02-03 04:55:18 PM
2 votes:
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The county doesn't incarcerate people for requesting housing assistance or heating assistance," Smith said. "But if people can't afford attorney fees and ask for assistance, the fees are always ordered as part of the sentence. If they are not able to pay, a warrant is issued for their arrest. They sit in jail until their court appearance, and the county is paying $80 a day to house somebody who can't afford to pay for an attorney they couldn't afford to pay for in the beginning."
2013-02-03 06:52:00 PM
1 votes:
I have a partial solution:

<b>STOP PUTTING SO MANY DAMN PEOPLE IN JAIL!</b>
2013-02-03 06:00:33 PM
1 votes:
s4.postimage.org HA HA!
2013-02-03 05:28:35 PM
1 votes:

ClavellBCMI: namegoeshere: TheOmni: It appears that the article has changed since the headline was written. Using the site's search engine to find any references to court appointed lawyers gives me this blurb:

"Minnehaha County public defender, cites examples of locking up people who don't pay court-appointed lawyer fees or for sitting out fines. "The county doesn't incarcerate people for ..."

But clicking through gives an article that does not have the quoted line anywhere in it.

Page 4:

"The county doesn't incarcerate people for requesting housing assistance or heating assistance," Smith said. "But if people can't afford attorney fees and ask for assistance, the fees are always ordered as part of the sentence. If they are not able to pay, a warrant is issued for their arrest. They sit in jail until their court appearance, and the county is paying $80 a day to house somebody who can't afford to pay for an attorney they couldn't afford to pay for in the beginning."

Methinks this will end up in a Federal court somewhere soon, and the county in question will end up with a rather large bill to pay.


Probably not.  Thanks to Republican strategies over the last decades of witholding appointments when a Dem is in office, the fed judiciary upholds stuff like this all the time.

Gotta stay tough on crime, doncha know.
2013-02-03 05:22:21 PM
1 votes:

NutWrench: Perhaps they could transfer all the pot smokers to a minimum security facility, where they could eat Cheetos and watch cartoons all day. Then, they'd have enough room to house the people who do actual harm to our society.




How about some good gaming rigs and licenses to a bunch of great games. Lan-party Jail!
2013-02-03 05:19:58 PM
1 votes:

ClavellBCMI: namegoeshere: TheOmni: It appears that the article has changed since the headline was written. Using the site's search engine to find any references to court appointed lawyers gives me this blurb:

"Minnehaha County public defender, cites examples of locking up people who don't pay court-appointed lawyer fees or for sitting out fines. "The county doesn't incarcerate people for ..."

But clicking through gives an article that does not have the quoted line anywhere in it.

Page 4:

"The county doesn't incarcerate people for requesting housing assistance or heating assistance," Smith said. "But if people can't afford attorney fees and ask for assistance, the fees are always ordered as part of the sentence. If they are not able to pay, a warrant is issued for their arrest. They sit in jail until their court appearance, and the county is paying $80 a day to house somebody who can't afford to pay for an attorney they couldn't afford to pay for in the beginning."

Methinks this will end up in a Federal court somewhere soon, and the county in question will end up with a rather large bill to pay.


From the way it's written, this doesn't seem to be something they're proposing, but rather something that's been in place for a while. There's no hint as to how long, but it's presented rather matter-of-factly, as if it's a normal thing.
2013-02-03 05:06:21 PM
1 votes:

misanthropicsob: It's all on page five of the five page article.


I didn't even realize there were five pages. So, shiatty page layout.
2013-02-03 05:04:51 PM
1 votes:
Perhaps they could transfer all the pot smokers to a minimum security facility, where they could eat Cheetos and watch cartoons all day. Then, they'd have enough room to house the people who do actual harm to our society.
2013-02-03 04:53:48 PM
1 votes:
the fark do you expect when you have for profit prisons with lobbyists calling for more laws, and harsher punishments under the banner of "tough on crime" ?
2013-02-03 02:56:26 PM
1 votes:
Looks like the site replaced the story going to that link, but I can't find any article even close to the headline.
 
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