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2013-02-03 05:11:43 PM

udhq: The point is that with men who are looking for that kind of a woman, you have to ask the question of whether they had some sort of oedipal sexual attraction to their own mothers.


Or if they're domestically illiterate man-children who are so unable to take care of themselves that they have to prioritize the characteristics of a caregiver over any sort of emotional satisfaction.
 
2013-02-03 05:12:46 PM

udhq: platkat: I'd be happy to be those things once all men who are looking to marry become strong, competent, and even-tempered.

The problem is that us men who are strong, competent and even tempered are not necessarily looking to marry.

It's not just women who were put out by the transactional nature of traditional marriage.


And there are plenty of kind, caring, and sex-loving women who don't want to get married. (I'll use myself as an example, but there are many women like me.) I don't like the fact that every "how-to" book on marriage is aimed at women. I seem to encounter throngs of men who want to marry and have kids, but don't examine what they need to do in order to be a good husband and father.
 
2013-02-03 05:14:17 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: MattyBlast: This is stupid. No matter how many self-help books there are out there, women are too stupid to heed any of their advice. They want douchebags and will always want douchebags.

By that logic you should be drowning in pussy.


Welcome to my favourites list!
 
2013-02-03 05:14:27 PM

freeforever: No, the guys who don't get sex are the feminists appeasers who don't understand why women are attracted to "jerks" ie., real men.


What does that have to do with being able to cook and clean for yourself?

And... "appeasers?" Really?
 
2013-02-03 05:14:46 PM
Killer Cars:

To be fair, a lot of us spend more time thinking about you than you would care to know. Can I send you a rough draft of my first  FloydA slasher fanfic? I have you killing Kim Jong-Un with a sabre after leading a revolt of dyslexic orangutans against the regime, but I'm not sure how to wrap up the ending.

That's really weird and an incredibly strange fantasy.   If you knew me in real life, you would know that I'd use a Claymore and be leading a band of bonobos.
 
2013-02-03 05:15:48 PM
FTA:
And once you do find a man: Be sweet, give him lots of sex, and don't talk too much.

---

Just about sums it up for me.
Didn't use to have such "old fashinoned" wants in a partner, but after trying relationships with more "modern" women I came to two conclusions:
1) "Equality" is a nice goal in relationships, but become "too equal" and nothing gets dones.  Someone has to drive the boat.  Every relationships needs an HNIC in some form.
2) In my relationships, I am the HNIC.

Inevitably this has lead to seeking out more meek (subservient?) women.  It was worked out better for me personall.  To each their own.
 
2013-02-03 05:15:53 PM

freeforever: Typical feminist overreaction to solid advice about finding a husband.  Sorry, but men like young, feminine women.  It's biological and will never change.  Young women in their 20s who cook, clean and do all that girly stuff feminists abhor WILL ALWAYS BE MORE ATTRACTIVE to men than 30-40 year-old career women with double Master's degrees and years of work experience that men of any value don't give a fark about.

Women are free to pursue their dreams and go to school and compete with men in the work force.  Just be prepared for how quickly your pool of potential suitors shrinks when you delay marriage.


In your foolish apparent argument against delaying marriage as an option for women, you apparently buy into delaying marriage for women.  Why wouldn't you say "18 year-old who cooks and cleans" or "16 year-old who cooks and cleans... with parental permission."  After all, it's not as if you need to be in your 20s, out of college, established as an independent adult entity to be nice, cook and have sex.

P.S.  feminists do not abhor cooking and cleaning.  My mother, who is an old-school feminist with a PhD, also cooks and cleans.
 
2013-02-03 05:16:41 PM

Bloody William: I should write a book on how to have a successful relationship. I'll call it "Treat your significant other like a farking person, not like an indentured servant, porcelain doll, or the result of a business transaction."

/Still single.


Probably because we live on opposite coasts...
 
2013-02-03 05:16:43 PM

edmo: One Federal agency recently presented its employees with a slide show on proper business dress and helpfully pointed out that women should wear makeup so they would look more attractive. I've obviously been sent to a lot more HR classes than they have.

I think the Good Old Days crowd would love to return to the Mad Men era.


Sounds like good career advice. Attractive people who dress to be taken seriously rise faster and farther in general.

I'm offended that they offered men no makeup advice.  Why they trying to put men at a disadvantage?
 
2013-02-03 05:16:44 PM

udhq: freeforever: udhq: freeforever: Typical feminist overreaction to solid advice about finding a husband.  Sorry, but men like young, feminine women.  It's biological and will never change.  Young women in their 20s who cook, clean and do all that girly stuff feminists abhor WILL ALWAYS BE MORE ATTRACTIVE to men than 30-40 year-old career women with double Master's degrees and years of work experience that men of any value don't give a fark about.

Women are free to pursue their dreams and go to school and compete with men in the work force.  Just be prepared for how quickly your pool of potential suitors shrinks when you delay marriage.

Most secure, adult men are looking for an equal partner, not a replacement for mommy.

Great straw man response there. Unless you have sex with your mother you can't compare a housewife to your mom.

The point is that with men who are looking for that kind of a woman, you have to ask the question of whether they had some sort of oedipal sexual attraction to their own mothers.


No, men who are attracted to "that kind of woman" are so because feminine qualities are more attractive to men than masculine qualities.  Lesser men find value in career women because she can financially support him, but if we're giving advice on finding a husband I assume we're talking about high-value, successful men. Successful men don't care one way or the other how much money a woman makes.  He is not impressed by her Master's degree in gender studies.
 
2013-02-03 05:18:16 PM
Here's some more FREE advice:

1. Try to look good for your husband every now and again, i.e., wear make-up occasionally, don't gain a ton of weight, don't wear your husband's clothes or crappy sweats/ratty t-shirts and think that since your married, it doesn't matter what you look like, that your husband's okay with it. Sorry, but we care. We love your personality, but we also want a good-looking woman.

2.  Don't take advantage of having a husband as if he's combination cook/chauffeur/bankroller.  Offer to make a nice breakfast or offer to do something that you know he likes, just to be nice.

3. Try to be fun.  Come up with a fun idea like going to a concert, or going on a trip.  If you're spending almost every night in front of the tube watching re-runs of "The King of Queens" til 11:30 because "You're tired", then your husband is going to be tired of you. It's either going to be xtube or another chick, if you don't get your ass moving and do something interesting.

4. When it comes to sex, it's fun.  We like to have sex, particularly with a pretty girl. So, if you get into bed and just say "Let's just have a quickie", your telling your man that you're not interested in something he likes.  Try wearing something sexy, try getting a wax, do something that shows you WANT to be intimate and that it is not just a task for a fast fark.

I know some women are going to respond that their men are slobs, they just want to get off, they've let themselves go.  Yep, some men just wanna watch ESPN, scratch their balls, drink beer and fart in front of you.  I'm not going to give them advice on how to be a better husband, they will have to figure it out with you or on their own.
 
2013-02-03 05:18:26 PM
I may be a liberal as they come, but I married a nice girl from Mexico who likes to cook, take care of our kid and that I bring home the bacon. I told her that she can work if she wants, but she wants our kid to be a little older before she goes out of the house.

/Knew I would marry her the first day I ate at her parents house. She brought me my meal, her mother brought her fathers meal to the table, and her sister brought her husbands meal.
//I do things around the house as well, cleaning and cooking. We're not strict about it. It's about building a nice life together.
 
2013-02-03 05:18:32 PM

nucal: http://www.subservientchicken.com/pre_bk_skinned.swf


Baaahaha! I remember that site. Great fun when you're stoned :)
 
2013-02-03 05:18:38 PM

freeforever: PsiChick: freeforever: Typical feminist overreaction to solid advice about finding a husband.  Sorry, but men like young, feminine women.  It's biological and will never change.  Young women in their 20s who cook, clean and do all that girly stuff feminists abhor WILL ALWAYS BE MORE ATTRACTIVE to men than 30-40 year-old career women with double Master's degrees and years of work experience that men of any value don't give a fark about.

Women are free to pursue their dreams and go to school and compete with men in the work force.  Just be prepared for how quickly your pool of potential suitors shrinks when you delay marriage.

1. Feminists abhor cooking and cleaning...because we like  not eating and wallowing in our own filth. Riiight.

2. You left 'fromsex' out of your username. Should go right in the middle there.

No, the guys who don't get sex are the feminists appeasers who don't understand why women are attracted to "jerks" ie., real men.


Keep telling yourself that while you look up lists of states that don't require the woman to bring charges to prosecute domestic violence cases.
 
2013-02-03 05:18:52 PM

freeforever: PsiChick: freeforever: Typical feminist overreaction to solid advice about finding a husband.  Sorry, but men like young, feminine women.  It's biological and will never change.  Young women in their 20s who cook, clean and do all that girly stuff feminists abhor WILL ALWAYS BE MORE ATTRACTIVE to men than 30-40 year-old career women with double Master's degrees and years of work experience that men of any value don't give a fark about.

Women are free to pursue their dreams and go to school and compete with men in the work force.  Just be prepared for how quickly your pool of potential suitors shrinks when you delay marriage.

1. Feminists abhor cooking and cleaning...because we like  not eating and wallowing in our own filth. Riiight.

2. You left 'fromsex' out of your username. Should go right in the middle there.

No, the guys who don't get sex are the feminists appeasers who don't understand why women are attracted to "jerks" ie., real men.


If you think worm are attracted to jerks, then that just means that you're an insecure beta who doesn't understand why women don't like insecure betas.
 
2013-02-03 05:19:49 PM

propasaurus: Women are supposed to prance around in heels.


You can't prance in heels; these are for prancing!

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2013-02-03 05:21:08 PM

freeforever: No, men who are attracted to "that kind of woman" are so because feminine qualities are more attractive to men than masculine qualities.  Lesser men find value in career women because she can financially support him, but if we're giving advice on finding a husband I assume we're talking about high-value, successful men.


The thought of seeking out a significant other for emotional satisfaction and relying on yourself for logistical necessities as needed and cooperating as cohabitation becomes a factor doesn't occur to you, does it? It has to be a weird pseudo-economic transaction tinted by academically traditional gender roles treated as if they were physical laws?
 
2013-02-03 05:22:31 PM
corn-bread:
2) In my relationships, I am the HNIC.

i105.photobucket.com
You're Don Cherry?
 
2013-02-03 05:23:51 PM

XveryYpettyZ: freeforever: Typical feminist overreaction to solid advice about finding a husband.  Sorry, but men like young, feminine women.  It's biological and will never change.  Young women in their 20s who cook, clean and do all that girly stuff feminists abhor WILL ALWAYS BE MORE ATTRACTIVE to men than 30-40 year-old career women with double Master's degrees and years of work experience that men of any value don't give a fark about.

Women are free to pursue their dreams and go to school and compete with men in the work force.  Just be prepared for how quickly your pool of potential suitors shrinks when you delay marriage.

In your foolish apparent argument against delaying marriage as an option for women, you apparently buy into delaying marriage for women.  Why wouldn't you say "18 year-old who cooks and cleans" or "16 year-old who cooks and cleans... with parental permission."  After all, it's not as if you need to be in your 20s, out of college, established as an independent adult entity to be nice, cook and have sex.

P.S.  feminists do not abhor cooking and cleaning.  My mother, who is an old-school feminist with a PhD, also cooks and cleans.


I never made the "foolish" argument against delaying message.  I'm just speaking the truth:  The longer a woman puts off marriage the shorter her prospects become.  It's not impossible, just harder. Read any Slate/Huffington Post/Jezzebl/Gawker article on this subject and you'll see dozens of comments from women who can't understand why they've become "invisible" to men after a certain age who only seem interested in younger woman. That's the way it is.  Hot and young beats out older, smart and experienced.
 
2013-02-03 05:23:55 PM

theorellior: This wasn't Caitlin Flanagan again, was it? Oh, Venker. Nice quote:

She recently lamented to New York magazine that women no longer "go to college to find a husband; you go to find your own single life and your career."

Fark that noise. I married my wife not because she went to college to get her MRS, I married her because she was a PhD-candidate molecular biologist with a career in science.


Gold-digger!
 
2013-02-03 05:24:40 PM

desertfool: I may be a liberal as they come, but I married a nice girl from Mexico who likes to cook, take care of our kid and that I bring home the bacon. I told her that she can work if she wants, but she wants our kid to be a little older before she goes out of the house.

/Knew I would marry her the first day I ate at her parents house. She brought me my meal, her mother brought her fathers meal to the table, and her sister brought her husbands meal.
//I do things around the house as well, cleaning and cooking. We're not strict about it. It's about building a nice life together.


Hey, it's a perfectly nice life if you both want it. The problem is when attitudes preclude any deviation from that formula. Attitudes that force you into specific roles because that's "men's work" and "women's work" and you want to be a "masculine man" or a "feminine woman" or you're worthless. There's no consideration for what people want as people, not as defined things.
 
2013-02-03 05:25:14 PM

freeforever: PsiChick: freeforever: Typical feminist overreaction to solid advice about finding a husband.  Sorry, but men like young, feminine women.  It's biological and will never change.  Young women in their 20s who cook, clean and do all that girly stuff feminists abhor WILL ALWAYS BE MORE ATTRACTIVE to men than 30-40 year-old career women with double Master's degrees and years of work experience that men of any value don't give a fark about.

Women are free to pursue their dreams and go to school and compete with men in the work force.  Just be prepared for how quickly your pool of potential suitors shrinks when you delay marriage.

1. Feminists abhor cooking and cleaning...because we like  not eating and wallowing in our own filth. Riiight.

2. You left 'fromsex' out of your username. Should go right in the middle there.

No, the guys who don't get sex are the feminists appeasers who don't understand why women are attracted to "jerks" ie., real men.


Hmmm...MRA, PUA, or both?
 
2013-02-03 05:27:18 PM

freeforever: XveryYpettyZ: freeforever: Typical feminist overreaction to solid advice about finding a husband.  Sorry, but men like young, feminine women.  It's biological and will never change.  Young women in their 20s who cook, clean and do all that girly stuff feminists abhor WILL ALWAYS BE MORE ATTRACTIVE to men than 30-40 year-old career women with double Master's degrees and years of work experience that men of any value don't give a fark about.

Women are free to pursue their dreams and go to school and compete with men in the work force.  Just be prepared for how quickly your pool of potential suitors shrinks when you delay marriage.

In your foolish apparent argument against delaying marriage as an option for women, you apparently buy into delaying marriage for women.  Why wouldn't you say "18 year-old who cooks and cleans" or "16 year-old who cooks and cleans... with parental permission."  After all, it's not as if you need to be in your 20s, out of college, established as an independent adult entity to be nice, cook and have sex.

P.S.  feminists do not abhor cooking and cleaning.  My mother, who is an old-school feminist with a PhD, also cooks and cleans.

I never made the "foolish" argument against delaying message.  I'm just speaking the truth:  The longer a woman puts off marriage the shorter her prospects become.  It's not impossible, just harder. Read any Slate/Huffington Post/Jezzebl/Gawker article on this subject and you'll see dozens of comments from women who can't understand why they've become "invisible" to men after a certain age who only seem interested in younger woman. That's the way it is.  Hot and young beats out older, smart and experienced.


So why is it women in their 20s who are the appropriate ornament for successful men?  Why wait that long?  If the most successful man is the one who can possess the most attractive and helpless woman, then why would you go for somebody that old?  Why not 18?  16?  As soon as they have their first period?  If you're going to have medieval ideas, you might as well be honest about the logical endpoint of those positions.
 
2013-02-03 05:27:22 PM

platkat: udhq: platkat: I'd be happy to be those things once all men who are looking to marry become strong, competent, and even-tempered.

The problem is that us men who are strong, competent and even tempered are not necessarily looking to marry.

It's not just women who were put out by the transactional nature of traditional marriage.

And there are plenty of kind, caring, and sex-loving women who don't want to get married. (I'll use myself as an example, but there are many women like me.) I don't like the fact that every "how-to" book on marriage is aimed at women. I seem to encounter throngs of men who want to marry and have kids, but don't examine what they need to do in order to be a good husband and father.


Interesting. Of myself and most of my friends, all young professional guys, most of us are open to marriage, but not necessarily looking for it.

But you'd be amazed at how many dates I've been on that have ended almost immediately once I admitted as such.
 
2013-02-03 05:28:01 PM
Here's some advice:

1. Your marriage is not a competition.

In so many ways, your marriage is the reverse of everything your life has been up to that point. You are not fighting to win a promotion from (or over) your spouse. You're not fighting to see who has the biggest balls. In fact, In most marriages, the big things you fight for in life (respect, trust, affection) have been won. And like a dog that has been chasing cars for a long time, you don't know what to do when you get it. So if you don't get what he says sometimes, let it go. If you think he does the right thing for the wrong reasons, let it go. If you can see by the look on his stupid face that he thinks your crazy (but he's still doing what you want him to do) let it go. Fighting over all these minor things will keep the two of you from reaching consensus and mutual understanding on any of the really really big things in life.

2. Yes, you have to give up the sex. All the time.

Ever since you got boobs, much of your power over the opposite gender has come from the ability to tug on their libido-strings; soft tugs or tough yanks - you became a mistress of the art. Congrats. While you still have a lot of that going on, you lose your big weapon: Abstinence.  If you withhold sex from your man he WILL stray and you WILL become the enemy. So learn to give him some form of gratification daily. Yes, even on days where you don't feel pretty, or when you feel fat, or when you're on the rag. Find a way to get over that stuff... Because you know what? He's NOT SCREWING all the women in the world every day ... just for you ... no matter what ... even when he's sick, or old, or comatose, or dead. Doing so will tell him that you are on his side, and that even when things are strained and difficult out there, his home is where you are.

3. You're not in 'every other couple' and he's not 'any other husband'

Comparing your marriage to others is totally pointless and can actually be really corrosive to your relationship. Holding your husband to a standard of behavior that he isn't intimately aware of is sadistic. If you feel he isn't acting in a way that "all the other husbands" would, then you either need to discuss the matter with him (because it's clearly bothering you) or drop the requirement. Ultimately, the dynamics of the marriage are  yours to create.
 
2013-02-03 05:28:19 PM

FloydA: corn-bread:
2) In my relationships, I am the HNIC.

[i105.photobucket.com image 320x240]
You're Don Cherry?


Oh yea!
 
2013-02-03 05:29:35 PM

Gergesa: theorellior: PsiChick: /I'd probably be a psychotic housewife too if I were in a permanent sub relationship when I didn't have a submissive personality.

I gotta FB friend from back in college, a trained lawyer, who became a stay-at-home mother so her husband could start up a company reselling electricity to their fellow Texans. I don't know why anyone thought that was a good idea. Her FB pages basically describe the arc of a capable woman who's being slowly driven bugfark by dealing with small children all day. I try to help by puncturing her more Teatardish posts with snark.

Not being a business owner I could hardly understand what is needed to get a business started but wouldn't it have made more sense for her to be working while he was trying to get his business going so they could have that income as a cushion?


Would work if they put the kids up for adoption.
 
2013-02-03 05:31:27 PM

rubi_con_man: 2. Yes, you have to give up the sex. All the time.

Ever since you got boobs, much of your power over the opposite gender has come from the ability to tug on their libido-strings;


If only those mean ol womens would stop flaunting their power over us helpless mens.
 
2013-02-03 05:33:24 PM

Ima4nic8or: omeganuepsilon: Here's a fascinating aspect of human nature.  We all have different personalities, and differing advice will work for different people.  Many women are subservient/docile, and many men are typical alpha males.  That is not to say ALL women should be docile, but in an age where we teach ALL women to be "strong/assertive" because of some moral belief, the opposite deserves as much airtime, as it were.

There is no given stereo type that any given person has to fit into.  If you are the type of person who's having troubles in a relationship, it may be wise to try something different.

THIS!!

The wife and I have very much the traditional woman stays at home with kids and cooks and cleans while man works and does all the mechanical work around the house sort of relationship.  Its not because I have somehow force the wife into a subservient role, it is because just is more subservient in nature and is very happy with this type of relationship.  To be honest I have been wanting to get her back to work in order to increase our retirement savings and kids college savings a bit. She, however, just wants to stay at home with the kids. Which will probably be the way it stays for at least a few more years until the kids are at school for full days.


And you think she's the subservient one. How adorable! :-)
 
2013-02-03 05:35:18 PM

Gergesa: alice_600: Ya know I tried everything to find someone and I never did find them. But I do agree on this statement made in this Psychology Today article on the War on Men.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-urban-scientist/201212/how-w in -the-war-men?page=3

"The quote of Venker's men that "Women aren't women anymore" is not an insult directed at an individual, but a man-language way of saying, "If you like men, and you prefer me specifically, not just as an individual, but as a man - if you make me feel excited and honored to be a man - then yes, I definitely feel like committing to you... And marriage is the way we can celebrate that." "

My God that article was poorly written.  Someone else can debate the merits but as far as writing goes it was awful.


The guy's a psychologist, not a Pulitzer prized writer.
 
2013-02-03 05:35:25 PM
How is that bad advice?  just because the book should be directed at both men and women instead of just women does not mean it's wrong.
 
2013-02-03 05:35:33 PM

freeforever: udhq: freeforever: udhq: freeforever: Typical feminist overreaction to solid advice about finding a husband.  Sorry, but men like young, feminine women.  It's biological and will never change.  Young women in their 20s who cook, clean and do all that girly stuff feminists abhor WILL ALWAYS BE MORE ATTRACTIVE to men than 30-40 year-old career women with double Master's degrees and years of work experience that men of any value don't give a fark about.

Women are free to pursue their dreams and go to school and compete with men in the work force.  Just be prepared for how quickly your pool of potential suitors shrinks when you delay marriage.

Most secure, adult men are looking for an equal partner, not a replacement for mommy.

Great straw man response there. Unless you have sex with your mother you can't compare a housewife to your mom.

The point is that with men who are looking for that kind of a woman, you have to ask the question of whether they had some sort of oedipal sexual attraction to their own mothers.

No, men who are attracted to "that kind of woman" are so because feminine qualities are more attractive to men than masculine qualities.  Lesser men find value in career women because she can financially support him, but if we're giving advice on finding a husband I assume we're talking about high-value, successful men. Successful men don't care one way or the other how much money a woman makes.  He is not impressed by her Master's degree in gender studies.


Domesticity is a maternal quality, not a feminine one.

The truth is that "lesser men" feel threatened by women with their own lives and successes. They need a power differential to feel in control.

They can't be with a successful woman because that woman would not be his equal, she would be his better.
 
2013-02-03 05:36:10 PM
What's amazing is that Slate didn't troll its audience for the 4,223,817th straight time by running it under a link that looked like this:

SORRY, FEMINISTS--BUT WE NEED MEN TO BE HAPPY
I wanted to believe I was independent, buta shocking new book
showed me how wrong I was to apply my modern ideas to the
ancient institution of marriage.
Hanna Rosin | GIRLY SHIAT | Sunday, 9:00 AM

Seriously, I'm genuinely amazed it didn't go down that way. They actually managed to make the headline kind of ambiguous instead of full-on contrarian.
 
2013-02-03 05:37:35 PM

Lenny and Carl: Sadly Tea Party Community is down so I can't post about this via my troll account.

What percentage of users on there do you figure are trolls?  I bet it's a big ass number.


I think about half. I've gotten several friends there, but u suspect some are also trolls.
 
2013-02-03 05:37:36 PM
If you find yourself reading WND for advice on finding a man, please go get your tubes tied immediately.
 
2013-02-03 05:40:47 PM

BMFPitt: If you find yourself reading WND for advice on finding a man, or any other reason,please go get your tubes tied immediately.


FTFY
 
2013-02-03 05:40:52 PM

theorellior: PsiChick: /I'd probably be a psychotic housewife too if I were in a permanent sub relationship when I didn't have a submissive personality.

I gotta FB friend from back in college, a trained lawyer, who became a stay-at-home mother so her husband could start up a company reselling electricity to their fellow Texans. I don't know why anyone thought that was a good idea. Her FB pages basically describe the arc of a capable woman who's being slowly driven bugfark by dealing with small children all day. I try to help by puncturing her more Teatardish posts with snark.


My brothers wife was on track to be a well paid accountant and then decided she was done with work and all she does not is pop out kids. She has number 5 on the way. I really hate her and never talk to my brother because of her attitude toward everything.  They are hard line southern baptist Christian conservatives who home school their kids and live in a crappy home because they can't afford anything else due to the amount of kids they have. She would be one to back the writer of the article who said that women have to what their husband request because she told me as much when I first met her.  The amount of derp these days is astounding.
 
2013-02-03 05:41:01 PM

Krymson Tyde: Lenny and Carl: Sadly Tea Party Community is down so I can't post about this via my troll account.

What percentage of users on there do you figure are trolls?  I bet it's a big ass number.

I think about half. I've gotten several friends there, but u suspect some are also trolls.


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2013-02-03 05:41:11 PM
The article does do what it says, and that is tell women how to get a man. It just may be a shiatty man. As for the fiery rhetoric against giving this type of advice it is also just as rife with b.s. as the conservative view. Modern feminism has jumped the shark in a lot of ways. Early on it was simply about empowering women to get what they want. What that was. The results were skewed and poor, but they should have expected that since many women during those early days didn't know what they want. I contend they still don't, and hell most men do not either.
Modern feminism now tries to tell women what they want which is a career and independence. Not everyone wants that. Men are still struggling with deciding where in life they should be. The gender roles are b.s. all around, and no one wants to tell the truth which is that people need help figuring out what they want to do. How can you be happy when you try to shoehorn your personality into dogma from either side?
I'm not an alpha male who is a dick, but I did play that role. I can tell you it is far more effective than playing the caring individual even if you are sincere as a man. All I learned from it was what I am not out of the experience. I am not the guy who gives two shiats whether someone I care for comes or goes. I love meeting people and helping them achieve what they want. From learning that about myself, I can say that men tend to do better than women in that arena. I find it much easier to help a male get to where he wants than a woman, and that is simple because most males feel free in a lot of areas to explore and get what they are going after. Society has less of an effect on men. Unfortunately, women have by and large been left out of this. The large majority of women I meet either feel they must be a housewife or a career woman, and pursue that as an end of itself. Articles like this tend to show why which is that women have two voices which tells them to pursue one path or the other. Where is the third voice that says to figure out what you want and get that be what it may?
I think all women should get a basic foundation of education and career independence. This helps prevent abuse and empowers a person, but that should be the end of this advice. After this basic foundation both sexes should be taught to then seek the life they want to have. If this is the advice society preached, then many people would be far more happy.
As a side note, women should be just as aggressive pursuing a mate as a man. The statistics of finding the best person in our society is already against all of us. If half are just sitting on their thumbs waiting to be discovered, why should we be surprised that finding that right person is so insurmountable? As for men, they need to really ask themselves how important is it to find a woman who helps their social status, because if we men are not going for political office there is little real reason to narrow our search based upon this trait. Sadly, yes for men beauty as society defines is the basis for social status of women. Men do need to get over their problem, and likewise women need to get over their problem.
 
2013-02-03 05:41:58 PM

udhq: freeforever: udhq: freeforever: Typical feminist overreaction to solid advice about finding a husband.  Sorry, but men like young, feminine women.  It's biological and will never change.  Young women in their 20s who cook, clean and do all that girly stuff feminists abhor WILL ALWAYS BE MORE ATTRACTIVE to men than 30-40 year-old career women with double Master's degrees and years of work experience that men of any value don't give a fark about.

Women are free to pursue their dreams and go to school and compete with men in the work force.  Just be prepared for how quickly your pool of potential suitors shrinks when you delay marriage.

Most secure, adult men are looking for an equal partner, not a replacement for mommy.

Great straw man response there. Unless you have sex with your mother you can't compare a housewife to your mom.

The point is that with men who are looking for that kind of a woman, you have to ask the question of whether they had some sort of oedipal sexual attraction to their own mothers.


Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, Sigmund.

Mommy took care of you while you farked other women.  Some men look for the same deal when they get married.
 
2013-02-03 05:42:57 PM

XveryYpettyZ: freeforever: XveryYpettyZ: freeforever: Typical feminist overreaction to solid advice about finding a husband.  Sorry, but men like young, feminine women.  It's biological and will never change.  Young women in their 20s who cook, clean and do all that girly stuff feminists abhor WILL ALWAYS BE MORE ATTRACTIVE to men than 30-40 year-old career women with double Master's degrees and years of work experience that men of any value don't give a fark about.

Women are free to pursue their dreams and go to school and compete with men in the work force.  Just be prepared for how quickly your pool of potential suitors shrinks when you delay marriage.

In your foolish apparent argument against delaying marriage as an option for women, you apparently buy into delaying marriage for women.  Why wouldn't you say "18 year-old who cooks and cleans" or "16 year-old who cooks and cleans... with parental permission."  After all, it's not as if you need to be in your 20s, out of college, established as an independent adult entity to be nice, cook and have sex.

P.S.  feminists do not abhor cooking and cleaning.  My mother, who is an old-school feminist with a PhD, also cooks and cleans.

I never made the "foolish" argument against delaying message.  I'm just speaking the truth:  The longer a woman puts off marriage the shorter her prospects become.  It's not impossible, just harder. Read any Slate/Huffington Post/Jezzebl/Gawker article on this subject and you'll see dozens of comments from women who can't understand why they've become "invisible" to men after a certain age who only seem interested in younger woman. That's the way it is.  Hot and young beats out older, smart and experienced.

So why is it women in their 20s who are the appropriate ornament for successful men?  Why wait that long?  If the most successful man is the one who can possess the most attractive and helpless woman, then why would you go for somebody that old?  Why not 18?  16?  As soon as they have their first ...


Fair point aside from your straw man (young doesn't mean "helpless") but it's simple:  physical attractiveness isn't the ONLY trait men look for in relationships you won't find in most teens.  Not to mention it's illegal for adults to hook up with minors.
 
2013-02-03 05:44:02 PM
pmcmovieline.files.wordpress.com ?

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2013-02-03 05:46:41 PM
Steve Harvey is a farking idiot.
 
2013-02-03 05:47:27 PM

Scipio: I'm not an alpha male who is a dick, but I did play that role. I can tell you it is far more effective than playing the caring individual even if you are sincere as a man.


The truth hurts.
 
2013-02-03 05:48:21 PM

L.D. Ablo: Bladel: While I'm never going to agree with a WND article, I was once on the receiving end of "Be mean & bossy & no sex," and I am happy to report that this strategy did work out for that particular woman.

Same here.

She thought I was committed and too much in love.  I called her on it and she more or less said that it was time for me to know who she really is.  She thought I was bluffing when I said I wanted out and got meaner.

One of the last straws was a Valentine's Day dinner out.  She lit into me and went through a list of personal criticisms for about five minutes and loud enough for everyone else to hear.  And they did.  I sat there quietly thinking about the best way to dump her.

The boot was given about 24 hours later and I cut all contact.  According to mutual friends, she was a wreck and "couldn't understand where it went wrong."


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Also, many people fail to understand the running joke that men are supposed to be subservient and do everything they can to make there wife happy to have a lasting marriage. Chris Rock, and hell every comedian, has gone on at length about it.

Of course, that reality isn't sexist at all, right?
 
2013-02-03 05:49:06 PM
Things you like about your wife could include, she has sex with you, she is nice, and the can cook.
Things your wife likes about you could include, you have sex with her, you are nice, and you can cook.

sounds pretty ok to me.
 
2013-02-03 05:50:33 PM

freeforever: Not to mention it's illegal for adults to hook up with minors.


You'd be surprised how many states have age of consent at 16.  And a lot of those allow 14 and 15 year olds to hook up with somebody up to five years older than they are (i.e 19 and 20).
 
2013-02-03 05:50:46 PM

XveryYpettyZ: So why is it women in their 20s who are the appropriate ornament for successful men? Why wait that long?


Because drinking age is 21.
 
2013-02-03 05:51:48 PM

freeforever: Scipio: I'm not an alpha male who is a dick, but I did play that role. I can tell you it is far more effective than playing the caring individual even if you are sincere as a man.

The truth hurts.


Then don't get in involved with women who are attracted to alpha male dicks.  How hard is that?
 
2013-02-03 05:53:06 PM
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