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(Seattle Times)   To the Farkers that predicted Boeing's extensive outsourcing and lack of oversight on the 787 design would come back to bit them in the ass, stand up and say 'I told you so'   (seattletimes.com) divider line 168
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2013-02-03 08:10:34 AM  
If it's Boeing, I'm not going.
 
2013-02-03 08:11:53 AM  

Mad Scientist: If it's Boeing, I'm not going.


Done in one.
 
2013-02-03 08:12:20 AM  
I thought about saying something, then I was all, like, "Watch shis thit!"
 
2013-02-03 08:12:24 AM  
Outsourcing shiat to third world countries known for half assing shiat at the expense of American stupidity isn't a good idea still? Who'da thunk it?
 
2013-02-03 08:12:48 AM  
fail.brm.sk
 
2013-02-03 08:14:26 AM  

styckx: Outsourcing shiat to third world countries known for half assing shiat at the expense of American stupidity isn't a good idea still? Who'da thunk it?


Hey it's cheap and most of the time it works.
 
2013-02-03 08:16:32 AM  

styckx: Outsourcing shiat to third world countries known for half assing shiat at the expense of American stupidity isn't a good idea still? Who'da thunk it?


Damned shareholders and other assorted paper shufflers, who don't give a flying fark about the long-term consequences to jobs or the public as long as the original decision to outsource and supposedly better value makes enough for them to make a killing when they unload their poisoned stock on some poor sucker.
 
2013-02-03 08:18:29 AM  
If it's bit, then it's shiat. If it's bite, you're doing it right.
 
2013-02-03 08:20:06 AM  
A lot of grocery baggers with engineering degrees in the Everett WA are feeling pretty smug right now.
 
2013-02-03 08:20:31 AM  
wait wait wait, are you telling me quality and cost are directly related? Umpossible.
 
2013-02-03 08:21:07 AM  

EvilEgg: styckx: Outsourcing shiat to third world countries known for half assing shiat at the expense of American stupidity isn't a good idea still? Who'da thunk it?

Hey it's cheap and most of the time it works.


that's a WONDERFUL thing to tell people just before you get on a plane.
 
2013-02-03 08:21:32 AM  

styckx: Outsourcing shiat to third world countries known for half assing shiat at the expense of American stupidity isn't a good idea still? Who'da thunk it?


Hey, gotta pay for those multi-million dollar exec bonuses some how. And the best part is many of the execs that pushed for outsourcing are long gone.
 
2013-02-03 08:22:48 AM  
Mad Scientist: If it's Boeing, I'm not going.

"Boeing faces an indefinite grounding of the Dreamliner because of a battery fire"

Battery Fire Dreamlighter
 
2013-02-03 08:23:43 AM  
But Radio Shack parts mean that they just have to pop into any Mall and get replacements, right?
 
2013-02-03 08:24:48 AM  

BiffSpiffy: But Radio Shack parts mean that they just have to pop into any Mall and get replacements, right?


Only if you're looking for a new phone contract.
 
2013-02-03 08:27:24 AM  
From all the science I've seen, you can survive a plane malfunction by using a dingy to float onto the ground.

People should STFU and buy a dingy.
 
2013-02-03 08:28:39 AM  
Unlike earlier Boeing jets, he said, the innards of the 787 power distribution panels - which control the flow of electricity to the plane's many systems - are "like Radio Shack," with parts that are "cheap, plastic and prone to failure."

http://www.theonion.com/articles/even-ceo-cant-figure-out-how-radios ha ck-still-in-b,2190/
 
2013-02-03 08:29:05 AM  

GungFu: From all the science I've seen, you can survive a plane malfunction by using a dingy to float onto the ground.

People should STFU and buy a dingy.


Didn't the Mythbusters say that was terrifying but plausible.
 
2013-02-03 08:29:38 AM  
Perhaps there aren't enough liberal arts majors at Boeing.
 
2013-02-03 08:30:22 AM  
And some executive still got a fat bonus for it.
 
2013-02-03 08:31:36 AM  
Doesn't matter, they'll just buy a few Senators to pass a law mandating the government purchase 5000 of them at a steep markup as part of the next defense spending bill.
 
2013-02-03 08:35:15 AM  
BiffSpiffy: But Radio Shack parts mean that they just have to pop into any Mall and get replacements, right?

Only if you're looking for a new phone contract.


Yeah, but with that fancy phone you can call your family members to say goodby, but you might get voice mail which means you will have to Choose the Language press #1 for English, #2 for French, #3 for Mandarin #4 Canadian, then pick #1 Fire, #2 Loss of Power, #3 Loss of Oxy.....
 
2013-02-03 08:36:29 AM  
"The supplier management organization (at Boeing) didn't have diddly-squat in terms of engineering capability when they sourced all that work," he said.

Interesting, since the supplier management organization (at Boeing) thought they were red hot.
 
2013-02-03 08:37:06 AM  

generallyso: And some executive still got a fat bonus for it.


Shenanigans like that paid off for management in other big multinational corporations ( HP ).  Plausible.

/ wish I could "fail upward" with a golden parachute in my career..
 
2013-02-03 08:37:32 AM  
Boeing is certainly bad enough, but let us not forget that a good portion of the country almost elected another person with a long history of outsourcing and he would have been president. So really is this "787 revelation" comes as little surprise when viewed in light of corporate leadership that spends more time negotiating their golden parachutes than making sound business decisions or worrying about their employees, or the safety of their customers, or the safety of the customers of their customers and so on and so forth.

On a related note.....what do corporations and soylent green have in common?
 
2013-02-03 08:39:21 AM  
This is just part of a larger result of letting wall street run the country for the benefit of a few.

When idiots scream about "WE GOTTA TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK", I wonder how many realize who it is we really have to take our country back from.

Reaping the whirlwind, we are.
 
2013-02-03 08:39:22 AM  
Maybe Boeing should just rename it the Screamliner or the Flying Nightmare.
 
2013-02-03 08:41:38 AM  
"The supplier management organization (at Boeing) didn't have diddly-squat in terms of engineering capability when they sourced all that work," he said.

You mean a part of Boeing, a company that when they bought MD the first thing they did was let go a ton of engineers, didn't have any engineering staff handy? You're shiatting me.
 
2013-02-03 08:42:37 AM  
I blame the Unions.

If they had not been so greedy, Boeing wouldn't have been forced to outsource to remain cost competitive.
 
2013-02-03 08:44:37 AM  
Yes, Japanese manufacturers are known for their crappy technology and inattention to detail.  And would you rather rely on Boeing's in-house lithium battery expertise?

Everyone outsources everything.  Most companies (Apple and perhaps every other computer company) don't ever even touch any phase of their production.  It's efficient, cost effective and lets companies take advantage of best-in-class technology and fabrication.  It's just how things are done now, not some evil conspiracy.

/still wearing tinfoil hat
/just in case
 
2013-02-03 08:46:04 AM  
Boeing:

You worry so we don't have to.

Wait...
 
2013-02-03 08:46:36 AM  
If you want something done right you have to do it yourself

/seriously Boeing, you went full retard
 
2013-02-03 08:47:02 AM  
Boeing's in-house union engineers pointing the fingers at everyone else?  Color me shocked.  They may be correct, but I'll wait for someone with a slightly smaller axe to grind before I pass judgment on how this happened.
 
2013-02-03 08:54:15 AM  
There has never been a recall of an 100% american made product. Ever.
 
2013-02-03 08:59:51 AM  

homelessdude: Boeing is certainly bad enough, but let us not forget that a good portion of the country almost elected another person with a long history of outsourcing and he would have been president. So really is this "787 revelation" comes as little surprise when viewed in light of corporate leadership that spends more time negotiating their golden parachutes than making sound business decisions or worrying about their employees, or the safety of their customers, or the safety of the customers of their customers and so on and so forth.

On a related note.....what do corporations and soylent green have in common?


Bu-bu-bu UNIONS!
 
2013-02-03 09:01:45 AM  

BiffSpiffy: But Radio Shack parts mean that they just have to pop into any Mall and get replacements, right?


Popping into a mall in midflight is frowned upon by the FAA.

/that's the kind of overregulation that makes things tough for small businesses like Boeing
 
2013-02-03 09:01:55 AM  

styckx: Outsourcing shiat to third world countries known for half assing shiat at the expense of American stupidity isn't a good idea still? Who'da thunk it?


FTFA:

"Since the battery and its monitoring system were made in Japan, and all the connected pieces were integrated by French company Thales "

Third world?

PS - If Americans are stupid, why would you want *them* to build it?
 
2013-02-03 09:05:06 AM  
Don't know why you guys are all against outsourcing parts and labor for aircraft.

It worked wonders for the F22.

Oh wait...
 
2013-02-03 09:06:01 AM  

beefoe: Everyone outsources everything.  Most companies (Apple and perhaps every other computer company) don't ever even touch any phase of their production.  It's efficient, cost effective and lets companies take advantage of best-in-class technology and fabrication.  It's just how things are done now, not some evil conspiracy.


I agree with the thought of outsourcing as a viable business and manufacturing method. It makes sense and while it hurts domestically, it is the way the world works. For my part, I deal every single day with the barrage of low cost providers in my field from outside of my country. It drives me crazy but it also drives me to improve my skillset to stay ahead of the pack. It is the only way to stay viable in my field.

The problem though with outsourcing is that all too often, the decision to outsource is not to take advantage of "best-in-class technology and fabrication". Instead, it is due to people channeling the work flow where the bottom line is paramount and not the product. Yes, companies need to make their money and all that and profit is good and necessary for corporate survival. But when a completely inferior product is created (and in this case, maybe a truly fatal flaw), then the methods of production and the reasons for choosing those techniques must be questioned. I am no aerospace engineer by any stretch or a production guru, but after so many mis-steps in the 787's short life, it is difficult not to be at least a little skeptical.

Something is rotten in Denmark....or Seattle as it were.
 
2013-02-03 09:09:24 AM  
I informed you thusly.
 
2013-02-03 09:11:34 AM  
So they tried the Airbus model and found that it didn't work??
 
2013-02-03 09:12:35 AM  
Dumb article. Everyone knows it is only the union made planes that are having issues.
 
2013-02-03 09:16:57 AM  
this all began when the Feds had Boeing bail out/buy McDonald Douglas, the Douglas execs were put on Boeings board and eventually became a majority.   the company moved it's HQ to the Douglas HQ in Chicago,  and started a massive outsourcing campaign.   They laid off 1/5th of the Boeing workers in favor of the outsource people.

Suddenly the McD scandles and corruption was hitting boeing.  Remember the Air Tanker Fiasco?  All Douglas execs, all corrupt.
 
2013-02-03 09:17:11 AM  

jeffowl: I blame the Unions.

If they had not been so greedy, Boeing wouldn't have been forced to outsource to remain cost competitive.


You get what you pay for. That includes labor.

How competitive is Boeing looking now?
 
2013-02-03 09:18:05 AM  

fatbear: styckx: Outsourcing shiat to third world countries known for half assing shiat at the expense of American stupidity isn't a good idea still? Who'da thunk it?

FTFA:

"Since the battery and its monitoring system were made in Japan, and all the connected pieces were integrated by French company Thales "

Third world?

PS - If Americans are stupid, why would you want *them* to build



Widen your horizons, that's low level logic. Everyone knows fat men in Kentucky build some of the fastest cars in the world.  Stupid people are needed to build airplanes (parts) that (boeing) engineers design, because you teach them how to do one and only one f@ck!n& thing right.  Don't let them touch anything else.
 
2013-02-03 09:22:54 AM  
My iPhone was built by outsourcing to soulless companies whose employees are suicidal. Let's let them build airplane parts!
 
2013-02-03 09:26:13 AM  

beefoe: It's efficient, cost effective and lets companies take advantage of best-in-class technology and fabrication.


Except, it's not, not necessarily and not very often.

madgordy: , the Douglas execs were put on Boeings board and eventually became a majority


And yet it was Boeing that laid off a fark ton of MD engineers, particularly the most senior ones.
 
2013-02-03 09:27:41 AM  

Cataholic: Boeing's in-house union engineers pointing the fingers at everyone else?  Color me shocked.  They may be correct, but I'll wait for someone with a slightly smaller axe to grind before I pass judgment on how this happened.


Yeah, goldarn them Union Thugs.  Who the hell do they think they are, wanting to be paid a decent fraction of what the work is worth?  CEOs?

Boeing tried to get quality work for schitt pay, and you wingnuts are shocked -- SHOCKED! -- that it didn't work out for them.
 
2013-02-03 09:28:15 AM  
I was looking forward to a resurgence of a form of cottage industry, such as much British manufacturing employed prior to the '70s. Having groups of suppliers providing parts that are assembled into a greater thing can work. Every arm or the industry must assume a share in responsibility (and pride) in the outcome.

Nothing wrong with the part being made in Japan (a la Boeing) as long as they hold interest in the overall outcome. Perhaps a significant portion of profits derived only from the resulting end-product, in place of exclusively direct up-front sales.

Boeing's fault was, as Hart-Smith predicted, that they outsourced risk and responsibility along with most of the work. That work was tiered at such distance that there was a dilution in share of responsibility for the overall outcome, potentially not much interest at all. Each supply chain tier needs to be completely engaged in the end product, not only the concern in a low-cost provider as we're experiencing here.
 
2013-02-03 09:30:01 AM  

BiffSpiffy: But Radio Shack parts mean that they just have to pop into any Mall and get replacements, right?


But you have giving them your goddamned ZIP code every time.
 
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