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(Daily Kos)   "The enemy's not going to cower in defeat because we have a female Eskimo Hispanic dwarf cross-dresser and some handicapable, transgendered breast cancer survivor as a soldier on the front line, ready to unleash an attack of unparalleled diversity"   (dailykos.com) divider line 164
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2013-02-03 12:16:05 PM

randomjsa: When lives are at risk, and they always are during war, diversity and equality get to take a back seat to reality. If you want women in combat roles, that's perfectly fine, I'm not against that but you will have to accept everything that goes along with that whether you like it or not,


Except that there are plenty of women who are qualified to do this as well as men.

If they can meet the same physical requirements, etc., I don't see why they shouldn't be able to participate just because they have a different sex organ.

That's what the debate is about, not whatever imaginary BS you got floating around in your head.
 
2013-02-03 12:17:12 PM

Glicky: If the female Eskimo Hispanic dwarf cross-dresser or handicapped, transgendered breast cancer survivor meet the training standards for the role provided I say let do it.


Seriously, can you think of a better way to make Al Qaeda sh*t their collective pants even more than they already are?  Retarded crossdressing midget deathdealers with thermal vision and flash suppressors crashing through my skylight would stifle any rebellion I might be flirting with in a hot f*cking minute.
 
2013-02-03 12:18:18 PM

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: When lives are at risk, and they always are during war, diversity and equality get to take a back seat to reality. If you want women in combat roles, that's perfectly fine, I'm not against that but you will have to accept everything that goes along with that whether you like it or not,

Except that there are plenty of women who are qualified to do this as well as men.

If they can meet the same physical requirements, etc., I don't see why they shouldn't be able to participate just because they have a different sex organ.

That's what the debate is about, not whatever imaginary BS you got floating around in your head.


I think anybody who has a problem with women in combat need to see the Elizabeth Banks directed segment of Movie 43.
 
2013-02-03 12:19:44 PM

thamike: I think anybody who has a problem with women in combat need to see the Elizabeth Banks directed segment of Movie 43.


... as punishment?
 
2013-02-03 12:20:47 PM
I dunno.  I think there are a lot of Taliban who would never live down getting his ass kicked by a girl.
 
2013-02-03 12:23:17 PM

Bloody William: thamike: I think anybody who has a problem with women in combat need to see the Elizabeth Banks directed segment of Movie 43.

... as punishment?


Yes, for them.  The movie is funny.  The Griffin Dunne segment is hilarious.
 
2013-02-03 12:25:35 PM
I think the only idiots who are afraid of unparallelled diversity are the republicans.
 
2013-02-03 12:26:02 PM
There was a girl from 1990 that Glenn Beck never has to worry about serving in the military.

Bur of course he still pretends not to know anything about that.

/just asking questions
//thinks it's up to Gleen Beck to prove that he did not rape and murder a young girl in 1990
 
2013-02-03 12:28:13 PM
In other news, Glenn Beck remains an idiot.  Next.
 
2013-02-03 12:32:32 PM

randomjsa: If you want women in combat roles, that's perfectly fine, I'm not against that but you will have to accept everything that goes along with that whether you like it or not,


It's not a matter of "if [we] want women in combat roles." Women are already fighting against the enemy and have been for years. They are already incredibly useful in FET and other specialized units. So let's give them the superior training of the combat specialties.
 
2013-02-03 12:32:33 PM
So Glen Beck is a closet Dead Milkmen fan, huh?

Lesbian Eskimo Midget Left-Handed Albino

I can feel the urge to buy a Suzanne Vega albuuummmmm!  AHHHHHH!
 
2013-02-03 12:34:03 PM

Dedmon: I think the only idiots who are afraid of unparallelled diversity are the republicans.


You're talking about a group of people who view the word "multiculturalism" the way most people view words like "shiat" and "fark"
 
2013-02-03 12:35:12 PM

Egalitarian: I can feel the urge to buy a Suzanne Vega albuuummmmm! AHHHHHH!


Stay away from the light!  Julee Cruise and Hope Sandoval are far superior!
 
2013-02-03 12:37:49 PM

alienated: syrynxx: A key element of victory is surprise.  So what could be more surprising than the 1st Battallion female Eskimo Hispanic dwarf cross-dresser handicapable transgendered breast-cancer-survivor Brigade?


[eddieizzardfans.com image 395x505]

Eddie is a transvesite. Not a transgender. He just likes the cloithes, shoes and makeup. And the hair removal. In other words- he is just a basic masochist. not that there is anything wrong with that.


Correction. Eddie is an executive transvestite.
 
2013-02-03 12:38:26 PM

Mrtraveler01: Dedmon: I think the only idiots who are afraid of unparallelled diversity are the republicans.

You're talking about a group of people who view the word "multiculturalism" the way most people view words like "shiat" and "fark"

  apocalypse and pedophilia, which are two words the Republicans view the way most people view words like "progress" and "equality."

/I hate the FTFY thing, so sorry about that.
 
2013-02-03 12:41:52 PM
War is  not an equal opportunity employer.
 
2013-02-03 12:42:33 PM
"The enemy's not going to cower in defeat because we have a female Eskimo Hispanic dwarf cross-dresser and some handicapable, transgendered breast cancer survivor as a soldier on the front line, ready to unleash an attack of unparalleled diversity."

But...wha...HUH?
 
2013-02-03 12:42:36 PM
When did Fark become the democratic underground?
 
2013-02-03 12:46:26 PM

bullocks: War is  not an equal opportunity employer.


It's the only man made equal opportunity employer, besides Obama's Weather Machine.
 
2013-02-03 12:47:34 PM

bullocks: When did Fark become the democratic underground?


When the all the right wing shills finally discovered free diaper porn?
 
2013-02-03 12:48:58 PM
Anybody point out that all female soldiers would be considered cross-dressers by Beck's religion yet? Now to read the comments and find out.
 
2013-02-03 12:55:23 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: War is the act of killing each other. And to win, you have to kill people faster than the other team.

Uh huh.  Now why do you think we want more people on our side, dummy?


The Body count mentality, that worked out so well for America during the Vietnam military exercises.

Glad Beck has never read Clausewitz he would be calling for our State Department to start killing people, he hasn't called for that yet has he?
 
2013-02-03 12:57:30 PM

SilentStrider: No. They're going to cower in defeat because they'll be the best damn soldiers on the planet.


IDF?
 
2013-02-03 01:03:16 PM
I'm assuming this guy is terrified of tall, white straight men.
 
2013-02-03 01:07:21 PM

ModernLuddite: How would a Mexican and an Inuit even meet to conceive a child? How many Mexican-Inuit people are there in the world?

Also, the Canadian Forces have "ice rangers" or some such thing, who are 100% Inuit and completely hardcore badass. So yes, the army needs these people.

//Okay, so there haven't been many wars fought up in Ikualikutituinut, but still.....



See it means it is working no one wants to face the Ice Rangers.

t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-03 01:36:24 PM

PanicMan: We're not fighting trench warfare any more.  Frankly, I'd take a female Eskimo Hispanic dwarf cross-dresser and some handicapable, transgendered breast cancer survivor over Glenn Beck any day of the week.  I'd never be able to turn my back on Glenn Beck.


Bingo.  A man of low character.
 
2013-02-03 01:41:42 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Yeesh, a little harsh there, Mikey. It was nearly 1am when you posted that - weren't you up past your bedtime?


I don't have a bedtime anymore.  I think that's part of the problem.  Yeah, I won't do that again.
 
2013-02-03 01:43:34 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: They're going to cower because that transgendered lesbian, midget is going to pull a trigger and unleash a world of hurt our enemy has never even considered.


Damnit, beat to it.

/Well, mine was "No, they're going to cower at the big farking gun said midget is carrying and the flamethrower attachment the recent budget gave some R&D department enough to build", but still, same thing.
//Penis, vagina, it doesn't matter if you've got a big enough gun.
 
2013-02-03 01:55:18 PM
I wish Glenn Beck would keep his personal life out of this debate.
 
2013-02-03 01:57:49 PM

Marcus Aurelius: [russianwomentruth.com image 314x485]

Roza Yegorovna Shanina would gladly take Glenn Beck out from 1000 yards away.


I'd nail her from 1000 yards away, if you know what I mean.

And I think you do.
 
2013-02-03 02:04:01 PM
Does the bullet really care about the gender of the shooter?  Do bullets fired by females not have as much velocity as bullets fired by males?
 
2013-02-03 02:12:07 PM
doglover:

A Chinese general said something to that effect.

"I can lose 100 to your one and still win." or something like that. It's true, too. If Iraq was the size of the US, we'd have lost.


Did we really 'win' in Iraq? An unnecessary war that has unnecessarily cost thousands of American lives and permanently disabled many thousands more, that has dragged on for over a decade, alienating other countries in the region and has so far cost trillions of dollars in direct costs that make up a siginifiact portion of the national debt and with trillions more in long term costs and liabilities still to come.

If we 'won' then we got a shiatty prize in return.
 
2013-02-03 02:13:07 PM
Eskimos are Canadian.

/And they're INUIT, jerk.
 
2013-02-03 02:18:42 PM

bullocks: War is  not an equal opportunity employer.


No, but oddly enough, the ordnance that kills you is very egalitarian, as it doesn't particularly care the race, sex, religion or sexual orientation of the sender.
 
2013-02-03 02:39:13 PM

funmonger: Eskimos are Canadian.

/And they're INUIT, jerk.


Eskimos are American, and they're *not* Inuit, jerk. They're Inupiat and Yupik.
 
2013-02-03 02:43:56 PM

randomjsa: Oh I can do better than that.

We'll take 10,000 men and 10,000 weapon. Both sides get all the same equipment, supplies, and training.

Let's start a war... at the ga... kidding.

The women are going to lose horribly. Yes they are. Yes. They. Are. That's not sexist. That's not underestimating women. That's just how things are. If the contest involves fighting, the men are going to win in a contest against women. This is his point. War is about killing people and breaking things, and whoever does it the best wins... Period. This is the same reason men are far more likely to commit violent crimes than women too.

When lives are at risk, and they always are during war, diversity and equality get to take a back seat to reality. If you want women in combat roles, that's perfectly fine, I'm not against that but you will have to accept everything that goes along with that whether you like it or not,


Problems with your argument:
1)  No one is saying that we should just grab a bunch of random women off the street and put them in battle.  There are standards, and I bet if we found 10,000 basement dwellers and put them in a fight with 10,000 current female marines, that the BD's would die horribly.
2)  Women are already in combat right now.  The military has been using them for about a decade now in combat, by exploiting a loophole in the laws to get more feet on the ground.  Bonus:  This exploit means that women who serve in a combat zone doing combat work don't get paid the combat pay of the guy next to him, due to him being a guy.

Every vet I've talked to (I visit a VA hospital 2-3 times a month), whether they approved of women in combat roles or not, says that if the military's gonna put a woman in danger anyway then they should pay her just the same.  Set the standards and let women try to get to them.  Most women won't meet them, but then again, most men don't.
 
2013-02-03 02:53:03 PM

ColdFusion: randomjsa: Oh I can do better than that.

We'll take 10,000 men and 10,000 weapon. Both sides get all the same equipment, supplies, and training.

Let's start a war... at the ga... kidding.

The women are going to lose horribly. Yes they are. Yes. They. Are. That's not sexist. That's not underestimating women. That's just how things are. If the contest involves fighting, the men are going to win in a contest against women. This is his point. War is about killing people and breaking things, and whoever does it the best wins... Period. This is the same reason men are far more likely to commit violent crimes than women too.

When lives are at risk, and they always are during war, diversity and equality get to take a back seat to reality. If you want women in combat roles, that's perfectly fine, I'm not against that but you will have to accept everything that goes along with that whether you like it or not,

Problems with your argument:
1)  No one is saying that we should just grab a bunch of random women off the street and put them in battle.  There are standards, and I bet if we found 10,000 basement dwellers and put them in a fight with 10,000 current female marines, that the BD's would die horribly.
2)  Women are already in combat right now.  The military has been using them for about a decade now in combat, by exploiting a loophole in the laws to get more feet Teet on the ground.  Bonus:  This exploit means that women who serve in a combat zone doing combat work don't get paid the combat pay of the guy next to him, due to him being a guy.

Every vet I've talked to (I visit a VA hospital 2-3 times a month), whether they approved of women in combat roles or not, says that if the military's gonna put a woman in danger anyway then they should pay her just the same.  Set the standards and let women try to get to them.  Most women won't meet them, but then again, most men don't.


FIFY
 
2013-02-03 03:16:33 PM
It's so cute when they dress Beck up as an adult.
 
2013-02-03 03:18:28 PM
Somehow, I don't think the "enemy" is going to cower in fear from the brave, heroic, steroid user who shot Pat Tillman in the back either.

I wonder if Dick Cheney was on that patrol and confused Tillman for his lawyer?
 
2013-02-03 03:37:01 PM

thamike: Glicky: If the female Eskimo Hispanic dwarf cross-dresser or handicapped, transgendered breast cancer survivor meet the training standards for the role provided I say let do it.

Seriously, can you think of a better way to make Al Qaeda sh*t their collective pants even more than they already are?  Retarded crossdressing midget deathdealers with thermal vision and flash suppressors crashing through my skylight would stifle any rebellion I might be flirting with in a hot f*cking minute.


Only if we can label it the battalion of misfit toys and they're charged specifically with high-profile targets. The humiliation that would come from this to these very patriarchal societies would probably have some merit to it too.
 
2013-02-03 04:06:49 PM
I never can understand the stupidity of folks like Beck.

Gee, Beck, what do you think would send a fundamentalist Muslim soldier running? Watching two of his buddies get shot by some guy, or watching two of his buddies get shot by a female Eskimo Hispanic dwarf cross-dresser - who clearly isn't wearing a hijab?
I'm depressed that we're arguing Glenn Beck's stupidity as if it was a valid opinion, and not as the stupidity it so clearly is, because we've somehow accepted Glenn Beck's attenion whoring as an actual opinion. The sad part is that he thinks he's funny, that he (or a writer on his staff) is somehow a right-wing comedian for stringing that together. And we're arguing it as if it's meant to be politically valid.
 
2013-02-03 04:22:13 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: OK, GOP shills, you thought defending the NRA was tough?  Try talking your way out of THIS.


Glenn Beck got fired from being a spokesman for the right over a year ago, you realize, right?  That's sort of like asking someone on the left to "talk their way out of" something LaRouche said, it's just a random crazy dude no one really listens to talking into a corner.

Though, that said, "Attack of Unparalleled Diversity" would be an awesome name for a Jug band or something similar.
 
2013-02-03 04:35:23 PM

Arkanaut: I dunno.  I think there are a lot of Taliban who would never live down getting his ass kicked by a girl.


That's been happening for quite a while, ever since women were allowed to become fighter pilots. The Taliban just don't know it because we don't color-code our flying guns by the gender of who's gunning them down. Tee hee hee.

Here's one example of such an ass-kicking girl:
Capt. Kim Campbell, Warthog fighter pilot
 
2013-02-03 04:41:13 PM
I think we're losing sight of what is truly important here. Turning this into a hot women of the IDF thread.

newnation.sg

www.worldaffairsboard.com
 
2013-02-03 04:42:31 PM
Blairr:
Only if we can label it the battalion of misfit toys and they're charged specifically with high-profile targets. The humiliation that would come from this to these very patriarchal societies would probably have some merit to it too.

As funny as the idea is, I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to specifically go out of our way to fark with other people's religious and cultural taboos by international law.
 
2013-02-03 04:52:57 PM

Jim_Callahan: Blairr:
Only if we can label it the battalion of misfit toys and they're charged specifically with high-profile targets. The humiliation that would come from this to these very patriarchal societies would probably have some merit to it too.

As funny as the idea is, I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to specifically go out of our way to fark with other people's religious and cultural taboos by international law.


Then Glenn Beck's worry is unnecessary.
 
2013-02-03 05:31:07 PM

randomjsa: The women are going to lose horribly. Yes they are. Yes. They. Are. That's not sexist. That's not underestimating women. That's just how things are. If the contest involves fighting, the men are going to win in a contest against women. This is his point. War is about killing people and breaking things, and whoever does it the best wins... Period. This is the same reason men are far more likely to commit violent crimes than women too.


Sun Tzu would disagree with you.
 
2013-02-03 05:36:43 PM
It's only a matter of time before the US military is as ineffective as Israel's military, what with the chicks and all.
 
2013-02-03 05:48:37 PM
ok, in response the all that from beck. 1 Eskimos live in a very harsh environment. 2. Hispanics (i know slight stereotyping here but it from experience) are freaking insane give the a couple blade. 3 dwarves - short people with short fuses  and finally 4 trans-gendered - dont you dare ask them if they are man or a woman they got a chip on their shoulder.

so you have this Short fused, Chip on their shoulder, good with knives, great with harsh environments master of disguise warrior.

i think we are good..
 
2013-02-03 05:50:45 PM

thamike: Jim_Callahan: Blairr:
Only if we can label it the battalion of misfit toys and they're charged specifically with high-profile targets. The humiliation that would come from this to these very patriarchal societies would probably have some merit to it too.

As funny as the idea is, I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to specifically go out of our way to fark with other people's religious and cultural taboos by international law.

Then Glenn Beck's worry is unnecessary.


Fixed.
 
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