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(WFAA Fort Worth)   Chris Kyle, the deadliest sniper in U.S. history, shot and killed at rifle range   (wfaa.com) divider line 876
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2013-02-03 01:20:14 AM

djh0101010: fusillade762: Smackledorfer: Was this the same sniper who talked about how god guided all his shots and it was god's will they died

If so it is still a shame when someone gets murdered, but I don't have the spare tears for self-righteous angels of death.

[i338.photobucket.com image 600x325]

Interesting. Does anyone know the situation with the bolt handle on that '03 Springfield?  I'm not familiar with that variant, and I've got about 15 of 'em.


It's probably a longer handle because he's left-handed.
 
2013-02-03 01:20:24 AM

wademh: BronyMedic: drayno76: Well shiat, you did that on page 1. Cap't 'Murica....

I'm not the one revising history to suit his agenda. I'm pretty anti-war in general, and I've been against getting involved in Iraq since day one, but to pull a comparison to Nazi Germany out of your ass with the United States demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about in the least, and only want to compare the two for an emotional appeal.

Call me when the United States Army is marching into Prague and rounding up everyone by their ethnicity to shoot and gas.

Logic remains logic. You, BronyMedic, are the one giving a pass to anyone who is serving in the US military. You show no sense of qualification in your admiration for anyone who does so. You were presented with the logical extension. It is apparent that you have no honest response and have been exposed.


You're absolutely right. Clearly what you read by logical extension means I support and honor soldiers who violate the code set forth by the Geneva and the Hague conventions, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and the ethos and honor of their respective branch.

Despite never stating any of that.

Logic.(-al fallacies!) It makes you Psychic!
 
2013-02-03 01:22:04 AM

RandomRandom: BronyMedic: If you're actually being serious? He's a hero for undertaking a mission which only a select group of human beings, the number of which could be counted in the low thousands, in the history of the United States have been able to do.

He was a sociopath.  If you're heard him interviewed, that much was clear.   In reality, so is somewhere around 1% of the population.

Being imbued with sociopathy made it a lot easier for him do that job.   A job that most humans with standard mental wiring would find difficult, maybe even impossible, may have been no more difficult to him than shooting vermin.  Does that make him a "hero"?

/Being a sociopath doesn't mean he wasn't a hero, but it doesn't mean he was a hero either.  He served his country, absolutely, no question.  So have countless others.  Does it make him a hero?  ehhhhhhh


I don't know if he was a sociopath, I don't want to get into that, but he was doing his job.

The idea of heroism implies going above and beyond what you're expected to do, taking risks and making sacrifices that nobody would fault you for not taking in order to achieve some outcome other than personal gain. He didn't throw himself on a grenade or die trying to pull a kid out of a fire. This is a guy who loved what he was doing. It was also entirely within the confines of his job description, it was the thing he took a paycheck for.

None of those things are criticisms, and I'm not saying he didn't do anything heroic, maybe it's inside his book, but everybody is ejaculating all over themselves about what's on the cover. The whole "shooting 160 people" thing is merely doing a job that he enjoyed, repeatedly and well. You might say it's legendary, but it does seem like a misuse of the word to call it heroic and like all the "real American hero" types in the comments over there are more than a little...off-base.
 
2013-02-03 01:23:34 AM

nmemkha: Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?


Your basic human right to create a global hegemony was being threatened, buddy. Cmon!
 
2013-02-03 01:23:52 AM
So much derp here, I hope we survive it.


RIP
 
2013-02-03 01:23:52 AM

nmemkha: Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?


Vietnam was a product of the cold war phillosophies of the United States. The problem was that the South Koreans were just as bad, as a Government, as the north, and lacked legitimacy of the people and the will to fight.

Iraq was a mistake, period, to get involved in. Soldiers who commited war crimes SHOULD be punished and held accountable for that, and their commanders as well.

It doesn't mean I have to shiat on the US military at any chance I get.
 
2013-02-03 01:23:58 AM

CatherineM: Red Shirt Blues: CatherineM: I had no idea that fark was this entertaining so late at night..

You need to stay up more often. And it's only midnight your time. Come back in a few hours when things get totally bizzaro.

I saw this news on facebook along with plenty of derp, so I had to come here and.. yeah, I don't know what I was expecting. It got really weird really quick. Saw the below on a friend's page.. at least spell check, fer chrissake..

[i59.photobucket.com image 850x362]


I can't say anything....got nailed earlier in this thread on a misspelling.
 
2013-02-03 01:24:34 AM
Apparantly South Vietnam is in Korea now. Thanks Chrome!
 
2013-02-03 01:24:39 AM

nmemkha: ficklefkrfark:
Well put...people forget that that right or wrong, the rights we enjoy as Americans are served by people such as this...disagree or not with the mission, he served his country above and beyond the call of duty.

Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?


In Vietnam most of the people serving didn't actually have a say in the matter, as for how it made us safe? It necessary to stop the spread of communism, you may disagree but in the 60s it was a very real threat. As for iraq, which war are you specifically talking about?
 
2013-02-03 01:24:39 AM
Look people, ALL actions are viewed FROM a perspective and WITHIN a context.

1) The nuclear bombing of Japan.
2) The Arab-Israeli conflict.
3) Taliban-American war in Afghanistan.

There are actors on all of the sides in the above examples. Those actors have a perspective from which they view actions, and a mental context, which are the experiences and information they have.

And never the twain shall meet.

An American Marine, in an amphibious assault unit, waiting for the invasion of mainland Japan had a perspective on the nuclear bombing. So did a Japanese military man. An American civilian and Japanese civilians did too. And they had their own contexts as well through which the information was filtered. And they will never be reconciled.
 
2013-02-03 01:25:17 AM
Etch A Sketch creator Andre Cassagnes died today. He was a real hero!
 
2013-02-03 01:25:28 AM
This guy was a farking idiot and a clinical example of someone with antisocial personality disorder aka psychopath/sociopath. It's nice that he served his country and such but a person of his type has no place helping someone with brain trauma recover. You want to help out, sure why not, but do not put them in a situation that can trigger an episode and as this case shows results in tragic results.

The kid wants to fire a few rounds? Fine, take him to laser tag or a paint ball course. Give him an old NES light gun but don't hand him a live weapon. Make sure he has a few years of therapy, that he has some meds or some sort of coping system or put him in immersion therapy but give him a live weapon on an open range was just asking for trouble.

This guy was full of himself and he paid the price for it. How do I know? He wrote a book. God told him to do what he did. And most important of all, he enjoyed doing it.

And as a disclaimer this is not a troll. I work at a state hospital, I see kids and adults with TBI, PTSD, sociopaths and psychopaths and everything in between of all stripes and colors. And the latter of the bunch are worst and hardest to work with. And the only thing standing between them tearing my head off and me making it home after shift is making sure they take their meds, knowing how to talk  and deal with them and a hell of a of luck since most of these guys come from the prisons and are in far better shape than my potato sack ass and they have nothing better to do all day than work out and plot and plan.

/But I do have a great dental plan.
 
2013-02-03 01:26:02 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: John Henry Eden: MrHappyRotter: Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.

His gun never killed anyone either, you dirty lib.  It's the bullets that are generally fatal.


Bullets never killed anyone. Its the lead in the bullet that killed people.

Lead never killed anyone. Physics did.


I blame the pink mist.
 
2013-02-03 01:26:11 AM
I must say, this thread has the absolute best showing of trolling that I have ever seen. Seriously, I have never seen this much trolling and of such high caliber all in one place.
 
2013-02-03 01:27:23 AM

Mock26: Abox: wademh: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero

I'm not clear on what makes a sniper a hero.

The chef in the mess hall.

"What," not "who."


Clearly you've never been in a mess hall - What is the proper term.
 
2013-02-03 01:28:17 AM

GUTSU: nmemkha: ficklefkrfark:
Well put...people forget that that right or wrong, the rights we enjoy as Americans are served by people such as this...disagree or not with the mission, he served his country above and beyond the call of duty.

Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?

In Vietnam most of the people serving didn't actually have a say in the matter, as for how it made us safe? It necessary to stop the spread of communism, you may disagree but in the 60s it was a very real threat. As for iraq, which war are you specifically talking about?


We failed in Vietnam and the world did not end. Was it worth all the death?

Does doing a dangerous and unpleasant job for the benefit of others make you are hero? Male prostitutes meet that criteria. (at least to their Johns). 

Are they heroes?
 
2013-02-03 01:28:28 AM

crabsno termites: Mock26: Abox: wademh: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero

I'm not clear on what makes a sniper a hero.

The chef in the mess hall.

"What," not "who."

Clearly you've never been in a mess hall - What is the proper term.


Enjoy the Omlette MRE. It's to die for.
 
2013-02-03 01:29:08 AM

GUTSU: nmemkha: ficklefkrfark:
Well put...people forget that that right or wrong, the rights we enjoy as Americans are served by people such as this...disagree or not with the mission, he served his country above and beyond the call of duty.

Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?

In Vietnam most of the people serving didn't actually have a say in the matter, as for how it made us safe? It necessary to stop the spread of communism, you may disagree but in the 60s it was a very real threat. As for iraq, which war are you specifically talking about?


Poe's law.
 
2013-02-03 01:29:17 AM

HotWingAgenda: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'm surprised you don't know that a lot of the "insurgents" in Iraq were from places like Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, etc.  Even some Iranian covert ops teams working to destabilize the new regime.



Oh look, this lie again.

Funny how Israel is never included in the list of countries that supposedly had kill teams in Iraq.
 
2013-02-03 01:30:11 AM
How long until the derp squad claim that this is Obama killing off people that know the truth about the Bin Ladin raid?
 
2013-02-03 01:31:03 AM
 This is Obama killing off people that know the truth about the Bin Ladin raid.
 
2013-02-03 01:31:39 AM

ontariolightning: Yeah a bunch of dead people is what I want to see before I go to sleep.


Don't watch the TCM (Turner Classic Movies) channel then.
 
2013-02-03 01:33:11 AM

cameroncrazy1984: djh0101010: fusillade762: Smackledorfer: Was this the same sniper who talked about how god guided all his shots and it was god's will they died

If so it is still a shame when someone gets murdered, but I don't have the spare tears for self-righteous angels of death.

[i338.photobucket.com image 600x325]

Interesting. Does anyone know the situation with the bolt handle on that '03 Springfield?  I'm not familiar with that variant, and I've got about 15 of 'em.

It's probably a longer handle because he's left-handed.


You know who else was a lefty?
thepatriotperspective.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-03 01:33:24 AM
Looking over this thread, it seems as though some of the more retarded yahoo posters have discovered Fark.
 
2013-02-03 01:33:46 AM

Phoenix_M: [www.theblaze.com image 566x262]
Any friend off Sarah Palin is dead to me...


You follow Palin on Twitter?
I hope you at least wash your hands afterward.
 
2013-02-03 01:34:39 AM

BronyMedic: nmemkha: Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?

Vietnam was a product of the cold war phillosophies of the United States. The problem was that the South Koreans were just as bad, as a Government, as the north, and lacked legitimacy of the people and the will to fight.

Iraq was a mistake, period, to get involved in. Soldiers who commited war crimes SHOULD be punished and held accountable for that, and their commanders as well.

It doesn't mean I have to shiat on the US military at any chance I get.


Your use of the word "mistake" implies that our leaders acted in good faith.

I, and many others, wholeheartedly disagree with that assessment. Bush and Cheney sold us the Iraq War on lies and even propped up a known con artist (Chalabi) as the "George Washington of Iraq". The US's entire invasion can accurately be labeled as criminal.

Right or wrong, people will continue to shiat all over the US military until the guilty parties are brought to justice. I think our soldiers, sailors, and marines are strong enough to handle the criticisms.
 
2013-02-03 01:35:51 AM

It's Me Bender: HotWingAgenda: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'm surprised you don't know that a lot of the "insurgents" in Iraq were from places like Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, etc.  Even some Iranian covert ops teams working to destabilize the new regime.

Oh look, this lie again.

Funny how Israel is never included in the list of countries that supposedly had kill teams in Iraq.


upload.wikimedia.org

June 8, 1967.

May this day live in infamy.
 
2013-02-03 01:36:03 AM

scruffy1: This guy was a farking idiot and a clinical example of someone with antisocial personality disorder aka psychopath/sociopath. It's nice that he served his country and such but a person of his type has no place helping someone with brain trauma recover. You want to help out, sure why not, but do not put them in a situation that can trigger an episode and as this case shows results in tragic results.

The kid wants to fire a few rounds? Fine, take him to laser tag or a paint ball course. Give him an old NES light gun but don't hand him a live weapon. Make sure he has a few years of therapy, that he has some meds or some sort of coping system or put him in immersion therapy but give him a live weapon on an open range was just asking for trouble.

This guy was full of himself and he paid the price for it. How do I know? He wrote a book. God told him to do what he did. And most important of all, he enjoyed doing it.

And as a disclaimer this is not a troll. I work at a state hospital, I see kids and adults with TBI, PTSD, sociopaths and psychopaths and everything in between of all stripes and colors. And the latter of the bunch are worst and hardest to work with. And the only thing standing between them tearing my head off and me making it home after shift is making sure they take their meds, knowing how to talk  and deal with them and a hell of a of luck since most of these guys come from the prisons and are in far better shape than my potato sack ass and they have nothing better to do all day than work out and plot and plan.

/But I do have a great dental plan.


I can agree with this.

/The dental plans are great.
 
2013-02-03 01:36:14 AM

freewill: taking risks and making sacrifices that nobody would fault you for not taking in order to achieve some outcome other than personal gain.


That's pretty much every service member, considering that most of society won't make any sacrifice for their country and it's ideals.

Liking what one does does not make it unheroic or mundane.

freewill: He didn't throw himself on a grenade or die trying to pull a kid out of a fire.


And?  Is that all that qualifies for "heroism" or alternatively "sacrifice" in your book?

Service members give up a lot of freedom right off the bat, as well as obtaining increased risk and stress.  A lot of civilians like to make it sound like the military is a cakewalk and no different than a "normal" job, but in reality that is a grossly ignorant perspective.

Down the line in their career, much of what is done is saving lives(ie "Evil" Dictator takes a bullet to the chest from a mile out, all his potential victims are that much safer, figuratively pulled out of the fire).
 
2013-02-03 01:36:50 AM

GUTSU: nmemkha: ficklefkrfark:
Well put...people forget that that right or wrong, the rights we enjoy as Americans are served by people such as this...disagree or not with the mission, he served his country above and beyond the call of duty.

Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?

In Vietnam most of the people serving didn't actually have a say in the matter, as for how it made us safe? It necessary to stop the spread of communism, you may disagree but in the 60s it was a very real threat. As for iraq, which war are you specifically talking about?


Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.
 
2013-02-03 01:38:44 AM

MisterTweak: KarmicDisaster: I think that this thread will hit 1000 posts. The only thing it has working against it is that it is late.

The only bet the bookies will take is the over/under on what time that happens. And I'll put my money on.... 2:35 EST.


i will take the under
 
2013-02-03 01:39:05 AM
My condolences to his friends and family.

.

DIAF, trolls. Slowly.
 
2013-02-03 01:39:55 AM
If that coont gave away the secret that the Canadians have TWO boats in their navy it's killing time
 
2013-02-03 01:39:59 AM

Riothamus: Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.


No, Star Wars did that.
 
2013-02-03 01:40:47 AM

Riothamus: Right or wrong, people will continue to shiat all over the US military until the guilty parties are brought to justice. I think our soldiers, sailors, and marines are strong enough to handle the criticisms.


I would hope so. We spend an obscene amount of money on our military, many times more than the next highest country. We can certainly afford some "man up, your not fighting for anything more than whats in your compensation package" training.

Unfortunately, playing on the well meaning jingoism of Middle American hayseeds is what supplies the meat for the grinder.
 
2013-02-03 01:41:10 AM

Arumat: I can't really put a "hero" label on this guy.  He served honorably with distinction and courage, but the conflict he served in was a load of shiat.  Not every soldier is a hero.  Not every insurgent is a villain.  Granted, if I had to choose, I'd rather have a soldier hanging around than a Taliban fighter, but you can't paint either group in black and white.  There may be people with the virtue of a saint serving in uniform, but I've personally known quite a few absolutely vile service members as well.  On that same note, there might be some terrorists who are in it purely because they believe it's the best/only way to make a better life for themselves or their families, along with the ones mentioned up-thread with killboners for any American they can find.  The best thing we as a nation can do is educate ourselves, pick leaders who will look out for everyone's best interest, and beat the everloving shiat out of the ones who betray that trust.

/veteran, not a hero
//for me it was a job and a way out of my crappy home town


I like you.  I wish there were more like you.

/can't bring myself to volunteer for the current military
//unless we start recruiting suicide bombers
///imagine how surreal the TV recruitment ads for that would look like
 
2013-02-03 01:41:53 AM

Lernaeus: My condolences to his friends and family.

.

DIAF, trolls. Slowly.


160 confirmed kills. Wrote a book about how God allowed him to kill so many people.

Truly an American hero.
 
2013-02-03 01:41:57 AM
 
2013-02-03 01:42:11 AM
Is this what it's like in the politics tab?
 
2013-02-03 01:42:43 AM
Just getting here, how far does Brony have his head up his ass?
 
2013-02-03 01:42:50 AM

Riothamus: BronyMedic: nmemkha: Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?

Vietnam was a product of the cold war phillosophies of the United States. The problem was that the South Koreans were just as bad, as a Government, as the north, and lacked legitimacy of the people and the will to fight.

Iraq was a mistake, period, to get involved in. Soldiers who commited war crimes SHOULD be punished and held accountable for that, and their commanders as well.

It doesn't mean I have to shiat on the US military at any chance I get.

Your use of the word "mistake" implies that our leaders acted in good faith.

I, and many others, wholeheartedly disagree with that assessment. Bush and Cheney sold us the Iraq War on lies and even propped up a known con artist (Chalabi) as the "George Washington of Iraq". The US's entire invasion can accurately be labeled as criminal.

Right or wrong, people will continue to shiat all over the US military until the guilty parties are brought to justice. I think our soldiers, sailors, and marines are strong enough to handle the criticisms.


www.aim.org
Its time to look forward, not back.
 
2013-02-03 01:42:52 AM
GUTSU: nmemkha: ficklefkrfark:
Well put...people forget that that right or wrong, the rights we enjoy as Americans are served by people such as this...disagree or not with the mission, he served his country above and beyond the call of duty.

Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?

In Vietnam most of the people serving didn't actually have a say in the matter, as for how it made us safe? It necessary to stop the spread of communism, you may disagree but in the 60s it was a very real threat. As for iraq, which war are you specifically talking about?


• In Vietnam, there was a school of thought which said, "If we don't fight them over there, we'll be fighting them here on the beaches of Santa Monica."

• It was a reflection of the complete ignorance of the military and political class on the nature of the fighting in Vietnam, specifically guerilla warfare. It led to idiocies like Hamburger Hill, trying to take and hold ground, as in WWII. Hamburger hill was a pissing contest over a hill with no strategic value, which led to scores of American casualties.

nmemkha: We failed in Vietnam and the world did not end. Was it worth all the death?

Does doing a dangerous and unpleasant job for the benefit of others make you are hero? Male prostitutes meet that criteria. (at least to their Johns).
Are they heroes?


• As far as male prostitutes go, they're typically not in lethal danger, whereas a sniper frequently is.
 
2013-02-03 01:44:06 AM

scruffy1: This guy was a farking idiot and a clinical example of someone with antisocial personality disorder aka psychopath/sociopath.


Oh, he was a sociopath alright.  The interview I heard with him made that absolutely clear.  Because he was a sociopath, sniping may have been no harder for him than the work his fellow soldiers were doing.

He did his duty, no question.  Everyone who went over there and risked their lives deserves a medal.  It was a pointless war, but the blame for that goes to Bush and Cheney, not the soldiers who fought it.  Still, does killing that many without losing his mind make him a "hero"?   It makes him a very effective killing machine, but hero?
 
2013-02-03 01:45:01 AM

WhoIsPurpleGoo: regardless of what you think about chris kyle or the wars he participated in, the reality is that he was working with ptsd veterans and one turned on him.  you don't need to think of him as a hero to understand that this is incredibly sad.



Yeah, that was the first thing that popped out at me from reading the article.  When therapy fails a patient there's always a chance he'll turn on the therapist - even if the "therapist" is an informal one.
 
2013-02-03 01:45:03 AM
He was a sniper not a quickdraw.
 
2013-02-03 01:45:36 AM
JungleBoogie:

• As far as male prostitutes go, they're typically not in lethal danger, whereas a sniper frequently is.

Ever hear of AIDS or Hepatitis C? Personally, I would choose being a solider over sucking cocks, but YMMV.
 
2013-02-03 01:45:57 AM

BronyMedic: Riothamus: Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.

No, Star Wars did that.


?

Normally I have this dude on ignore, but did I just get Poe's Law-ed?

Communist forces completely overran Vietnam and Vietnam is still a single-party state. Communism very successfully spread throughout the entire country!
This is basic reading comprehension!
 
2013-02-03 01:46:12 AM

Lunger42: Is this what it's like in the politics tab?


Yes. Pray for Omarion.
 
2013-02-03 01:46:15 AM

Frank N Stein: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?


So did the Marine that put him down. He a hero too?
 
2013-02-03 01:46:20 AM

TommyymmoT: Phoenix_M: [www.theblaze.com image 566x262]
Any friend off Sarah Palin is dead to me...

You follow Palin on Twitter?
I hope you at least wash your hands afterward.


No, I grabbed it from Glen Beck's site but I still need to wash my hands.
 
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