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(WFAA Fort Worth)   Chris Kyle, the deadliest sniper in U.S. history, shot and killed at rifle range   (wfaa.com) divider line 875
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2013-02-03 12:02:44 AM  
If there were something he could have done to protect himself.
 
2013-02-03 12:03:15 AM  
We need more guns in the gun ranges so this kind of thing can never happen again!
 
2013-02-03 12:05:24 AM  
This is an Irony, not Scary, though someone didn't belong at that range.
 
2013-02-03 12:05:54 AM  

Metalman71589: We need more guns in the gun ranges so this kind of thing can never happen again!


well done, sir
 
2013-02-03 12:06:01 AM  
So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.
 
2013-02-03 12:06:10 AM  
Maybe he'll write a horribly trite and self-serving book about it if the logistics don't get in the way.
 
2013-02-03 12:06:11 AM  
He's going to have a whole bunch of pissed off ghosts waiting to greet him in the after world. Nobody likes a camper.
 
2013-02-03 12:06:12 AM  
G*d D@mmit, everyone hates a TK.
 
2013-02-03 12:06:21 AM  
deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.
 
2013-02-03 12:06:21 AM  
What was that about no shootings ever at a gun range again?
 
2013-02-03 12:07:35 AM  
We obviously need to put armed guards at every gun range, so unhinged people like this don't see them as targets of opportunity.
 
2013-02-03 12:07:35 AM  

Karne: He's going to have a whole bunch of pissed off ghosts waiting to greet him in the after world. Nobody likes a camper.


You won the internet today. We'll have to give you both Saturday and Sunday given the whole time zone thing.
 
2013-02-03 12:07:52 AM  

Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.


His gun never killed anyone either, you dirty lib.  It's the bullets that are generally fatal.
 
2013-02-03 12:07:59 AM  
th05.deviantart.net

To soon?
 
2013-02-03 12:08:03 AM  

Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.


I doubt it.  I suspect the bullets had more to do with it.
 
2013-02-03 12:08:07 AM  

ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.



You do realize that Canadian troops have fought along side ours in the Middle East, right?
 
2013-02-03 12:08:34 AM  
medicolegal.tripod.com
 
2013-02-03 12:08:49 AM  

ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.


I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'm surprised you don't know that a lot of the "insurgents" in Iraq were from places like Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, etc.  Even some Iranian covert ops teams working to destabilize the new regime.
 
2013-02-03 12:09:10 AM  
God bless the man for his service to our country. Crazy struck again and he was in Crazy's way.
 
2013-02-03 12:09:18 AM  

ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.


i513.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-03 12:09:30 AM  
what was that about the need for better treatment for mental illnesses?
 
2013-02-03 12:09:47 AM  
In my best Alex Jones voice "Add another name to the Obama death list 1776 is coming again"
 
2013-02-03 12:10:12 AM  

ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.


i106.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-03 12:10:15 AM  
The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero
 
2013-02-03 12:10:22 AM  
First John Noveske, then Keith Ratliff, now Chris Kyle? Something fishy going on here...
 
2013-02-03 12:10:36 AM  

HotWingAgenda: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'm surprised you don't know that a lot of the "insurgents" in Iraq were from places like Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, etc.  Even some Iranian covert ops teams working to destabilize the new regime.


The entire purpose of the Iraq war was to create instability.
 
2013-02-03 12:10:49 AM  
ah, the sniper's mortal enemy: the team swapping TKer.
 
2013-02-03 12:10:55 AM  

HotWingAgenda: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'm surprised you don't know that a lot of the "insurgents" in Iraq were from places like Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, etc.  Even some Iranian covert ops teams working to destabilize the new regime.


The sniper is farking coward. There is no honor in killing someone from a distance with the flex of a finger.

/Unless it's with a remotely guided drone.
 
2013-02-03 12:11:05 AM  
I don't even know what to say.

That sucks.
 
2013-02-03 12:11:07 AM  
Oh wow, I have a gun nut friend who is constantly posting on Facebook how you never see shootings at gun ranges. This is getting forwarded to him.
 
2013-02-03 12:11:24 AM  

TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Describe how he was a hero. And...go.
 
2013-02-03 12:12:10 AM  
Sad. However, was this the guy who made some bizarre claims about killing Muslims for Jesus, or something to that effect? I vaguely remember a famous American sniper who served in Iraq and made some really creepy comments about how he enjoyed killing people over there.
 
2013-02-03 12:12:25 AM  

ElBarto79: Oh wow, I have a gun nut friend who is constantly posting on Facebook how you never see shootings at gun ranges. This is getting forwarded to him.


The important thing is that this dead soldier proved you right with your facebook friend.
 
2013-02-03 12:12:33 AM  

TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Let's make it 13 as I rather enjoy dicks.
 
2013-02-03 12:13:13 AM  

TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero



Seconded.
 
2013-02-03 12:13:31 AM  

ElBarto79: Oh wow, I have a gun nut friend who is constantly posting on Facebook how you never see shootings at gun ranges. This is getting forwarded to him.


That'll teach him.
 
2013-02-03 12:13:47 AM  
Live by the gun ...
 
2013-02-03 12:13:52 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: ah, the sniper's mortal enemy: the team swapping TKer.


Bastard. I was going to simply mumble something respectfully bland, but now I'm coughing up the remains of a freshly-baked chocolate chip cookie that tried to go down the wrong way, and it's YOUR fault.
 
2013-02-03 12:14:01 AM  

HotWingAgenda: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'm surprised you don't know that a lot of the "insurgents" in Iraq were from places like Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, etc.  Even some Iranian covert ops teams working to destabilize the new regime.


well there's your problem
 
2013-02-03 12:14:33 AM  

Wayne 985: Sad. However, was this the guy who made some bizarre claims about killing Muslims for Jesus, or something to that effect? I vaguely remember a famous American sniper who served in Iraq and made some really creepy comments about how he enjoyed killing people over there.


That was this guy.
 
2013-02-03 12:14:45 AM  

Karne: He's going to have a whole bunch of pissed off ghosts waiting to greet him in the after world. Nobody likes a camper.


i pissed myself thank you!
 
2013-02-03 12:14:50 AM  

ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.


Jesus wept, you are a sorry sack of ass
 
2013-02-03 12:15:09 AM  
*Maybe the deadliest.

Sad event, this.
 
2013-02-03 12:15:16 AM  
...and the Feds want to take away OUR guns?  Fark that, we need to take away the Governments guns, they obviously have no clue how to operate them safely.
 
2013-02-03 12:15:18 AM  
What I feel will make this even more sad is if we find out that the argument that started this was over something as trivial as a Navy v Marines pissing contest.  Rest your oars, sailor.
 
JVD
2013-02-03 12:15:33 AM  
What a tragedy. God bless him.
 
2013-02-03 12:15:47 AM  
Well this sucks, I guess crazy is a little hard to notice.
 
2013-02-03 12:15:52 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Wayne 985: Sad. However, was this the guy who made some bizarre claims about killing Muslims for Jesus, or something to that effect? I vaguely remember a famous American sniper who served in Iraq and made some really creepy comments about how he enjoyed killing people over there.

That was this guy.


Yup.

The guy might be a war hero, but I'm not too keen in having damaged goods being returned.
 
2013-02-03 12:16:20 AM  
RIP
 
2013-02-03 12:16:26 AM  

The_Sponge: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Seconded.


OK, you too, chuckles. How was he a hero.

Seriously, I'm sick of jagoffs calling any dumb asshole with a gun who gets off on killing people a "hero". This guy was a psychopath.
 
2013-02-03 12:16:33 AM  

Just_a_Bear: what was that about the need for better treatment for mental illnesses?


Especially for returning troops. The suicide rate anong Iraq and Afghanistan vets is appalling.
 
2013-02-03 12:16:41 AM  
I have to admit I got a throaty, cough-like chuckle out of this story.
 
2013-02-03 12:16:49 AM  
Too bad he wasn't a sexually deviant minority or something.

Then Fark would have his back.
 
2013-02-03 12:16:53 AM  

preybyemail: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

Jesus wept, you are a sorry sack of ass


Jesus is a fictional character.
 
2013-02-03 12:16:58 AM  
couldn't have been the best if he can't no scope
 
2013-02-03 12:16:59 AM  
Hired killer gets killed. Sorry for his family, but it sure looks like he bragged about it. Live by the sword, die by the sword. 

Don't like it? Don't sign up as a government sponsored killer.
 
2013-02-03 12:17:26 AM  
Was this the same sniper who talked about how god guided all his shots and it was god's will they died

If so it is still a shame when someone gets murdered, but I don't have the spare tears for self-righteous angels of death.
 
2013-02-03 12:17:32 AM  
how about the mother who put a bullet in the back of her adult son's head and it was filmed on the security cams at a firing range?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30109090/#.UQ3yf6VEF8E
 
2013-02-03 12:17:34 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.

His gun never killed anyone either, you dirty lib.  It's the bullets that are generally fatal.


Karne: Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.

I doubt it.  I suspect the bullets had more to do with it.


I was told that it's the guns that kill people.
 
2013-02-03 12:17:39 AM  

The_Sponge: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Seconded.


How are his actions Heroic? How has any war after W II been worth the lives it destroyed? Our soldiers aren't defending anything but a  mercenary's paycheck paid by the blood of the The People on behalf of corporate interests.
 
2013-02-03 12:18:31 AM  
"Investigators said Routh, a former Marine who is said to suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome, is believed to have turned his weapon on Kyle and the second victim, killing them both at point-blank range"

Point-Blank Range would be a good name for a gun range.
 
2013-02-03 12:18:38 AM  

ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.


Sooo, by that logic, there's no tragedy in the deaths of any American soldiers who fired on anyone in Iraq.

Disagree with our nation's military goals, fine. But you're just being a dick about the death of someone who you know nothing about beyond a few highlights of their military career, with nothing further (let alone anything useful or insightful) to offer.

/yes, we should never have gone to Iraq
 
2013-02-03 12:18:56 AM  
"This facility has no guns. There's a gun range next door that is well armed with the sniper that killed a bunch of your countrymen. I will not attempt to stop you when you try to exact your revenge on him."
 
2013-02-03 12:18:58 AM  

nmemkha: The_Sponge: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Seconded.

How are his actions Heroic? How has any war after W II been worth the lives it destroyed? Our soldiers aren't defending anything but a  mercenary's paycheck paid by the blood of the The People on behalf of corporate interests.


Yes......cause North Korea is Best Korea.
 
2013-02-03 12:19:07 AM  

ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.


Wow, that's stupid. Even for you.

You do realize that most "insurgents" were actually either A) Foreign Soldiers - namely from Iran, or B) Foreign Fighters who had killboners for Americans, right?
 
2013-02-03 12:19:12 AM  

nmemkha: The_Sponge: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Seconded.

How are his actions Heroic? How has any war after W II been worth the lives it destroyed? Our soldiers aren't defending anything but a  mercenary's paycheck paid by the blood of the The People on behalf of corporate interests.


Relax. We all appreciate your IT job, too. Thank you for your service.
 
2013-02-03 12:19:44 AM  
Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.
 
2013-02-03 12:20:09 AM  

starlost: how about the mother who put a bullet in the back of her adult son's head and it was filmed on the security cams at a firing range?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30109090/#.UQ3yf6VEF8E


Damn. People are farked up.
 
2013-02-03 12:20:30 AM  
Thank god shooting spree killers never target gun ranges because they're so well armed.

Also, thankfully, one of the many armed heroes was able to stop this guy before he could commit terror. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.... except when they don't.
 
2013-02-03 12:20:30 AM  
All that PTSD and suicidal behaviour coming home from a couple meaningless wars is going to really start to pile on.

I wonder if they'll gin up a war with Iran just to keep the army personnel from dragging home their murderous rage.
 
2013-02-03 12:20:42 AM  

3StratMan: First John Noveske, then Keith Ratliff, now Chris Kyle? Something fishy going on here...


Not really.Playing with guns just means you're likely to end up being a target
 
2013-02-03 12:20:43 AM  

drayno76: ...and the Feds want to take away OUR guns?  Fark that, we need to take away the Governments guns, they obviously have no clue how to operate them safely.


What article did you read? In this one, a civilian at a civilian range murdered two men with his personal weapon.  Several involved have a federal-service background, but that's it.

The government agents managed to apprehend the unstable shooter without anyone else getting shot.  I'm not one for gun confiscations or bans, but the civilian gun owner in this story looks freaking BAD, and none of the other gunslingers there could do anything to stop him.
 
2013-02-03 12:21:01 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.


He fell down a well.  That's more than you did.
 
2013-02-03 12:21:23 AM  

Frank N Stein: nmemkha: The_Sponge: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Seconded.

How are his actions Heroic? How has any war after W II been worth the lives it destroyed? Our soldiers aren't defending anything but a  mercenary's paycheck paid by the blood of the The People on behalf of corporate interests.

Relax. We all appreciate your IT job, too. Thank you for your service.


Amusing post, but honestly, it has become a bad cliche to label people "heroes" and then have zero apparent ability to back it up said claim with reason.
 
2013-02-03 12:21:24 AM  

preybyemail: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

Jesus wept, you are a sorry sack of ass


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-03 12:21:45 AM  

justtray: "This facility has no guns. There's a gun range next door that is well armed with the sniper that killed a bunch of your countrymen. I will not attempt to stop you when you try to exact your revenge on him."


justtray: Thank god shooting spree killers never target gun ranges because they're so well armed.

Also, thankfully, one of the many armed heroes was able to stop this guy before he could commit terror. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.... except when they don't.


Don't stop now. You're on a roll.
 
2013-02-03 12:22:00 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.


They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

100 Watt Walrus: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

Sooo, by that logic, there's no tragedy in the deaths of any American soldiers who fired on anyone in Iraq.

Disagree with our nation's military goals, fine. But you're just being a dick about the death of someone who you know nothing about beyond a few highlights of their military career, with nothing further (let alone anything useful or insightful) to offer.

/yes, we should never have gone to Iraq


THIS.
 
2013-02-03 12:22:05 AM  
Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-02-03 12:22:08 AM  
i469.photobucket.com

RIP Chris Crocker
 
2013-02-03 12:22:32 AM  
I'm shocked.

If a man starts shooting people at a gun range, you would figure he would be put down by everyone else at the range as an act of self defense.

I have no idea how he made it away from that range, unless it was a backwoods range where you only find a handful of people shooting.

At a range with 10+ people, that guy would've been toast from the first shot.
 
2013-02-03 12:22:33 AM  
Even if it was a shiatty, pointless war....aaand he may have been a bit jesus freak crazy.....he still was willing to put his own ass on the line for something the civilian leadership of this country asked him to do.

You can have whatever opinion about him that you want.

People like this are national treasures.
RIP
/Liberal
//%100 against going to Iraq in the first place
 
2013-02-03 12:22:50 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

Sooo, by that logic, there's no tragedy in the deaths of any American soldiers who fired on anyone in Iraq.

Disagree with our nation's military goals, fine. But you're just being a dick about the death of someone who you know nothing about beyond a few highlights of their military career, with nothing further (let alone anything useful or insightful) to offer.

/yes, we should never have gone to Iraq


i970.photobucket.com

/ If they had any integrity they would not have signed up in the first place.
 
2013-02-03 12:23:02 AM  
Protip to all you vets who may be suffering from PTSD. Going to a gun range and handling weapons might not be the best thing to do in your spare time.
 
2013-02-03 12:23:34 AM  

Abox: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

He fell down a well.  That's more than you did.


This is why I love fark.
 
2013-02-03 12:23:38 AM  

TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Which one?
 
2013-02-03 12:24:05 AM  
cdn.head-fi.org
 
2013-02-03 12:24:08 AM  

The_Sponge: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.


You do realize that Canadian troops have fought along side ours in the Middle East, right?


Yeah! I mean, Iraq, Afghanistan, same shiat, different pile, right.
 
2013-02-03 12:24:09 AM  

super_grass: 100 Watt Walrus: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

Sooo, by that logic, there's no tragedy in the deaths of any American soldiers who fired on anyone in Iraq.

Disagree with our nation's military goals, fine. But you're just being a dick about the death of someone who you know nothing about beyond a few highlights of their military career, with nothing further (let alone anything useful or insightful) to offer.

/yes, we should never have gone to Iraq

[i970.photobucket.com image 553x700]

/ If they had any integrity they would not have signed up in the first place.


Careful. Don't cut yourself on that edge.
 
2013-02-03 12:24:18 AM  
I was afraid he was taken out by the Revenge of the Giant Face.

img827.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-03 12:24:42 AM  

Metalman71589: We need more guns in the gun ranges so this kind of thing can never happen again!


and we're done here.

/+10

/RIP, good sir.  you served us all with honor
 
2013-02-03 12:24:44 AM  

halB: I'm shocked.

If a man starts shooting people at a gun range, you would figure he would be put down by everyone else at the range as an act of self defense.

I have no idea how he made it away from that range, unless it was a backwoods range where you only find a handful of people shooting.

At a range with 10+ people, that guy would've been toast from the first shot.


So say the gun nuts anyway. Turns out it doesn't go like that in real life though, right?
 
2013-02-03 12:24:45 AM  
super_grass:
[i970.photobucket.com image 553x700]

/ If they had any integrity they would not have signed up in the first place.


The amusing thing is, Romney included the military in the "47% who need to pay their fair share".
 
2013-02-03 12:24:50 AM  

starlost: how about the mother who put a bullet in the back of her adult son's head and it was filmed on the security cams at a firing range?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30109090/#.UQ3yf6VEF8E


holy fark, that's horrible.
 
2013-02-03 12:24:57 AM  

Old enough to know better: Protip to all you vets who may be suffering from PTSD. Going to a gun range and handling weapons might not be the best thing to do in your spare time.


The military should confiscate any weapon a soldier with PTSD has until a therapist says they are better.
 
2013-02-03 12:25:07 AM  

TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


A whole bag of 'em?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzbURUrgQao
 
2013-02-03 12:25:29 AM  

ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.


How nice for you.
 
2013-02-03 12:25:30 AM  
Oh this is going to be a glorious thread.

//popcorn
 
2013-02-03 12:25:35 AM  

factoryconnection: drayno76: ...and the Feds want to take away OUR guns?  Fark that, we need to take away the Governments guns, they obviously have no clue how to operate them safely.

What article did you read? In this one, a civilian at a civilian range murdered two men with his personal weapon.  Several involved have a federal-service background, but that's it.

The government agents managed to apprehend the unstable shooter without anyone else getting shot.  I'm not one for gun confiscations or bans, but the civilian gun owner in this story looks freaking BAD, and none of the other gunslingers there could do anything to stop him.


FTA: "Chris Kyle, a former Navy SEAL "

Ask any SEAL, once a SEAL always a SEAL....

FTA: "Investigators said Routh, a former Marine who is said to suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome "

Ask any Marine, once a Marine always a Marine.

The US government gives thousands of young men high power weapons, trains them to kill without prejudiced, runs them into the ground,
releases them into a killing field for far too long, and then send them home with the knowledge that they fought for some CEO's bottom line
and not a second of therapy.

Yes we need to take the farkin guns away from the government immediately.
 
2013-02-03 12:25:42 AM  
I think that this thread will hit 1000 posts. The only thing it has working against it is that it is late.
 
2013-02-03 12:25:43 AM  

super_grass: [i970.photobucket.com image 553x700]

/ If they had any integrity they would not have signed up in the first place.


www.sadanduseless.com
 
2013-02-03 12:25:51 AM  
BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.
 
2013-02-03 12:26:19 AM  

Abox: "Investigators said Routh, a former Marine who is said to suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome, is believed to have turned his weapon on Kyle and the second victim, killing them both at point-blank range"

Point-Blank Range would be a good name for a gun range.


ring.cdandlp.com
 
2013-02-03 12:26:49 AM  

KarmicDisaster: super_grass:
[i970.photobucket.com image 553x700]

/ If they had any integrity they would not have signed up in the first place.

The amusing thing is, Romney included the military in the "47% who need to pay their fair share".


Everyday I hope that Obama calls for a drone strike on the Faux News HQ.
 
2013-02-03 12:26:55 AM  

ontariolightning: preybyemail: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

Jesus wept, you are a sorry sack of ass

Jesus is a fictional character.


An atheist? On the internet?

Your surfing the next wave man. On the razors edge! Thats some ground breaking shiat!

Tell us how you told off your moms xtian friend on facebook that one time.
 
2013-02-03 12:27:01 AM  

nmemkha: The_Sponge: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Seconded.

How are his actions Heroic? How has any war after W II been worth the lives it destroyed? Our soldiers aren't defending anything but a  mercenary's paycheck paid by the blood of the The People on behalf of corporate interests.


A person can be a hero by their own actions despite the greater theater of war being a goddamn shame. That includes snipers whose shattered psyches have twisted ethics around to maintain a shred of sanity.

I don't know if this guy was a murderous zealot when he signed up and neither do you. Bit if he joined because he fell for propaganda and wanted to serve at risk of his own life.. Well that is a hero isn't it?

Or do we have another definition to use?

I also believe people fighting on both sides of a war could be called hero by that same measure. Of course, I don't think as highly of heroes as many for that very reason. It doesn't mean right, just, ethical, or smart. At least not to me.
 
2013-02-03 12:27:09 AM  

Smackledorfer: Was this the same sniper who talked about how god guided all his shots and it was god's will they died

If so it is still a shame when someone gets murdered, but I don't have the spare tears for self-righteous angels of death.


i338.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-03 12:28:01 AM  

KarmicDisaster: I think that this thread will hit 1000 posts. The only thing it has working against it is that it is late.


The only bet the bookies will take is the over/under on what time that happens. And I'll put my money on.... 2:35 EST.
 
2013-02-03 12:28:04 AM  
c9900913.r13.cf2.rackcdn.com
 
2013-02-03 12:28:06 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.


He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?
 
2013-02-03 12:28:22 AM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-03 12:28:40 AM  

BronyMedic: super_grass: [i970.photobucket.com image 553x700]

/ If they had any integrity they would not have signed up in the first place.

[www.sadanduseless.com image 600x435]


I don't glorify murder.

Now go wave a flag like a good little Amerifat.
 
2013-02-03 12:29:39 AM  

Frank N Stein: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?


He enjoyed it and he wasn't defending his country. Sh*tty answer.
 
2013-02-03 12:29:48 AM  

Frank N Stein: He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?


www.dogfacesoldiers.org
PTSD......whaaaaaaat's that???????????????????
 
2013-02-03 12:30:03 AM  

HempHead: [medicolegal.tripod.com image 720x540]


I'll take S-Words of $1000, Alex.
 
2013-02-03 12:30:04 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.


If you're actually being serious? He's a hero for undertaking a mission which only a select group of human beings, the number of which could be counted in the low thousands, in the history of the United States have been able to do. In doing so, he placed himself at extreme risk of capture by an enemy who would neither respect the laws and conventions of warfare, but would gleefully do horrific things to his corpse long after tortuing and murdering him to do so. His mission not only placed him in the realm of disproportionate risk as a soldier, but also provided a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer, allowing American and allied forces to do what they needed to do, without endangering civilians and noncombattants as much as a drone strike or artillery strike would have.

He did this while honoribly serving his country, and upholding the laws and values of the UCMJ and the conventions which we stuck to, even while others didn't.

So yes. That's why he's a hero. Some people aren't satisfied being BASH Commandos in a cubicle.
 
2013-02-03 12:30:34 AM  

super_grass: Amerifat.


>>>4chan.org
 
2013-02-03 12:30:46 AM  

ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.


He probably was a sociopath anyways.  (Pig rule applies, it's okay to kill and eat a pig, he'd do the same for you no problem)

\Friend once told me his dad an MP in Korea, used to wake up screaming on a regular basis.
 
2013-02-03 12:30:51 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: OK, you too, chuckles. How was he a hero.



By killing terrorists and doing more with his life than you ever will with yours.
 
2013-02-03 12:31:02 AM  

Frank N Stein: justtray: "This facility has no guns. There's a gun range next door that is well armed with the sniper that killed a bunch of your countrymen. I will not attempt to stop you when you try to exact your revenge on him."

justtray: Thank god shooting spree killers never target gun ranges because they're so well armed.

Also, thankfully, one of the many armed heroes was able to stop this guy before he could commit terror. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.... except when they don't.

Don't stop now. You're on a roll.


Nah that's enough. That fully destroys a couple really stupid gun-nut talking points. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll come up with some new, equally invalid ones next week.

Open wide, liberals are coming!
 
2013-02-03 12:31:04 AM  
At least he died doing what he loved.
 
2013-02-03 12:31:25 AM  

BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

If you're actually being serious? He's a hero for undertaking a mission which only a select group of human beings, the number of which could be counted in the low thousands, in the history of the United States have been able to do. In doing so, he placed himself at extreme risk of capture by an enemy who would neither respect the laws and conventions of warfare, but would gleefully do horrific things to his corpse long after tortuing and murdering him to do so. His mission not only placed him in the realm of disproportionate risk as a soldier, but also provided a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer, allowing American and allied forces to do what they needed to do, without endangering civilians and noncombattants as much as a drone strike or artillery strike would have.

He did this while honoribly serving his country, and upholding the laws and values of the UCMJ and the conventions which we stuck to, even while others didn't.

So yes. That's why he's a hero. Some people aren't satisfied being BASH Commandos in a cubicle.


So he followed orders and was very good at it.... So were Nazi war criminals.... They heroes too? Your turn.
 
2013-02-03 12:31:40 AM  

MrHappyRotter: At least he died doing what he loved.


ok...........that one cost a keyboard
 
2013-02-03 12:31:46 AM  

BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

If you're actually being serious? He's a hero for undertaking a mission which only a select group of human beings, the number of which could be counted in the low thousands, in the history of the United States have been able to do. In doing so, he placed himself at extreme risk of capture by an enemy who would neither respect the laws and conventions of warfare, but would gleefully do horrific things to his corpse long after tortuing and murdering him to do so. His mission not only placed him in the realm of disproportionate risk as a soldier, but also provided a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer, allowing American and allied forces to do what they needed to do, without endangering civilians and noncombattants as much as a drone strike or artillery strike would have.

He did this while honoribly serving his country, and upholding the laws and values of the UCMJ and the conventions which we stuck to, even while others didn't.

So yes. That's why he's a hero. Some people aren't satisfied being BASH Commandos in a cubicle.



*Applause*
 
2013-02-03 12:31:49 AM  

Frank N Stein: super_grass: Amerifat.

>>>4chan.org


Do I look like a hacker who plagiarizes Reddit?
 
2013-02-03 12:32:01 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Frank N Stein: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?

He enjoyed it and he wasn't defending his country. Sh*tty answer.


(but thanks for actually providing some framework for your rationale...most people don't bother)
 
2013-02-03 12:32:09 AM  

super_grass: BronyMedic: super_grass: [i970.photobucket.com image 553x700]

/ If they had any integrity they would not have signed up in the first place.

[www.sadanduseless.com image 600x435]

I don't glorify murder.

Now go wave a flag like a good little Amerifat.


Oh look. You're so edgy. It's not "glorifying murder" to honor someone who served his country with distinction and honor. And it's not "murder" to put a bullet in the head of another soldier in wartime who is in the process of gunning down your buddies.

No country, or law, in the entire world defines murder as a death in active combat. But you go right on farking that chicken.
 
2013-02-03 12:32:09 AM  

ElBarto79: Oh wow, I have a gun nut friend who is constantly posting on Facebook how you never see shootings at gun ranges. This is getting forwarded to him.


My guess is he will respond in a completely rational and well thought out manner that will involve no ad hominem attacks and an admission of his erroneous thinking.
 
2013-02-03 12:32:18 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Frank N Stein: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?

He enjoyed it and he wasn't defending his country. Sh*tty answer.


Never claimed he defended the country. But he was ordered there by the people you put in charge.

Sorry that definition of "hero" is subjective. I'm also sorry that you're bitter about being on Fark on a Saturday night.
 
2013-02-03 12:32:21 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: All that PTSD and suicidal behaviour coming home from a couple meaningless wars is going to really start to pile on.

I wonder if they'll gin up a war with Iran just to keep the army personnel from dragging home their murderous rage.


Take someone that is mentally unstable, put them in a uniform to run amuck for a few years. That will get them home right as rain. No problems whatsoever.
 
2013-02-03 12:32:40 AM  

MrHappyRotter: At least he died doing what he loved.


*snort* *cough* muh beer!
 
2013-02-03 12:32:48 AM  

Mad_Radhu: We obviously need to put armed guards at every gun range, so unhinged people like this don't see them as targets of opportunity.


FTFA: Routh, a former Marine who is said to suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome

Doesn't sound like this was a "target of opportunity" situation as much as a "it's really too bad how little attention or care we give to the effect war has on the mental health of the soldiers who fight it" situation.
 
2013-02-03 12:33:01 AM  
God bless and God speed. Snipers are a special breed. Killers in every respect. Its what they are trained and deployed to do.
 
2013-02-03 12:33:20 AM  

TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


I'm not clear on what makes a sniper a hero.
 
2013-02-03 12:33:35 AM  
Rough Creek Lodge near Glen Rose? Wow. I've actually been there...
 
2013-02-03 12:33:47 AM  

Smackledorfer: Bit if he joined because he fell for propaganda and wanted to serve at risk of his own life.. Well that is a hero isn't it?


You talking about the SEAL or the Marine?
 
2013-02-03 12:33:55 AM  

The_Sponge: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: OK, you too, chuckles. How was he a hero.


By killing terrorists and doing more with his life than you ever will with yours.


I read 'life' as 'wife' there and thought "boy is this shiat getting personal". :)
 
2013-02-03 12:34:02 AM  

drayno76: So he followed orders and was very good at it.... So were Nazi war criminals.... They heroes too? Your turn.


That's a stupid argument, and you win the dumbass-of-the-thread award for making it, and turning a Godwin.

The Nazis neither followed the laws and conventions of warfare of which they were a signatary to, or even their own national rules and regulations regarding the treatment of combatants and occupied peoples. It's a false comparison only someone either poorly educated in history, or entirely disingenious with an agenda would promote.
 
2013-02-03 12:34:28 AM  

justtray: Frank N Stein: justtray: "This facility has no guns. There's a gun range next door that is well armed with the sniper that killed a bunch of your countrymen. I will not attempt to stop you when you try to exact your revenge on him."

justtray: Thank god shooting spree killers never target gun ranges because they're so well armed.

Also, thankfully, one of the many armed heroes was able to stop this guy before he could commit terror. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.... except when they don't.

Don't stop now. You're on a roll.

Nah that's enough. That fully destroys a couple really stupid gun-nut talking points. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll come up with some new, equally invalid ones next week.

Open wide, liberals are coming!


We're all very proud of you.
 
2013-02-03 12:34:43 AM  

wademh: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero

I'm not clear on what makes a sniper a hero.


The chef in the mess hall.
 
2013-02-03 12:34:45 AM  

Smackledorfer: The_Sponge: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: OK, you too, chuckles. How was he a hero.


By killing terrorists and doing more with his life than you ever will with yours.

I read 'life' as 'wife' there and thought "boy is this shiat getting personal". :)



Ha!
 
2013-02-03 12:34:46 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.



It is very obvious trolling.

You asked someone to explain why they feel someone is a hero. What makes someone a hero is a matter of opinion. It's obvious that--even if they present facts--you'll be in a position to say, "Well, that's stupid. That is an opinion."

Pretty much the first lesson plan in Trolling 101, that stuff.
 
2013-02-03 12:34:54 AM  

Frank N Stein: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?


Ehhhhh, I have to disagree. Forgetting Chris Kyle, that definition would make members of al Qaeda "heroes".
 
2013-02-03 12:35:00 AM  

The_Sponge: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: OK, you too, chuckles. How was he a hero.


By killing terrorists and doing more with his life than you ever will with yours.


I personally think it's cute that you hold up armed services as "doing more with their lives than you ever will."

My job makes healthcare safer on a broad scale, and thus, by proxy, saves lives.

Did this guy's sniping people in a third world country from a mile away really constitute doing more than I will ever do in my life? I'm just curious how deep your delusion is.
 
2013-02-03 12:35:15 AM  
Between this and Fort Hood, those soldiers down in Texas don't seem all that good at defending themselves against crazy guys with guns.
 
2013-02-03 12:35:16 AM  

BronyMedic: drayno76: So he followed orders and was very good at it.... So were Nazi war criminals.... They heroes too? Your turn.

That's a stupid argument, and you win the dumbass-of-the-thread award for making it, and turning a Godwin.

The Nazis neither followed the laws and conventions of warfare of which they were a signatary to, or even their own national rules and regulations regarding the treatment of combatants and occupied peoples. It's a false comparison only someone either poorly educated in history, or entirely disingenious with an agenda would promote.


Your turn.....
 
2013-02-03 12:35:25 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Frank N Stein: nmemkha: The_Sponge: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Seconded.

How are his actions Heroic? How has any war after W II been worth the lives it destroyed? Our soldiers aren't defending anything but a  mercenary's paycheck paid by the blood of the The People on behalf of corporate interests.

Relax. We all appreciate your IT job, too. Thank you for your service.

Amusing post, but honestly, it has become a bad cliche to label people "heroes" and then have zero apparent ability to back it up said claim with reason.


Exactly.
 
2013-02-03 12:35:53 AM  
i.huffpost.com
 
2013-02-03 12:36:05 AM  
Instead of posting your opinions here, I think some of you should talk about your idiotic beliefs right outside your local VFW Hall.
 
2013-02-03 12:36:05 AM  
Im not even gonna bother trolling this, the Westboro baptist church will take care of that at the funeral
 
2013-02-03 12:36:07 AM  

BronyMedic: super_grass: BronyMedic: super_grass: [i970.photobucket.com image 553x700]

/ If they had any integrity they would not have signed up in the first place.

[www.sadanduseless.com image 600x435]

I don't glorify murder.

Now go wave a flag like a good little Amerifat.

Oh look. You're so edgy. It's not "glorifying murder" to honor someone who served his country with distinction and honor. And it's not "murder" to put a bullet in the head of another soldier in wartime who is in the process of gunning down your buddies.

No country, or law, in the entire world defines murder as a death in active combat. But you go right on farking that chicken.


What did he defend?  How did he serve?

He killed a bunch of people who posed zero danger to himself or his country.

If a teenager prison guard can be indicted half a century after serving for Nazi Germany, then an adult solder deserves no sympathy for serving imperial america.
 
2013-02-03 12:36:33 AM  

BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

If you're actually being serious? He's a hero for undertaking a mission which only a select group of human beings, the number of which could be counted in the low thousands, in the history of the United States have been able to do. In doing so, he placed himself at extreme risk of capture by an enemy who would neither respect the laws and conventions of warfare, but would gleefully do horrific things to his corpse long after tortuing and murdering him to do so. His mission not only placed him in the realm of disproportionate risk as a soldier, but also provided a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer, allowing American and allied forces to do what they needed to do, without endangering civilians and noncombattants as much as a drone strike or artillery strike would have.

He did this while honoribly serving his country, and upholding the laws and values of the UCMJ and the conventions which we stuck to, even while others didn't.

So yes. That's why he's a hero. Some people aren't satisfied being BASH Commandos in a cubicle.


Summary: he's a hero because some bureaucrats wanted him to snipe some people, and he enjoyed that type of work, so he did it. Awesome. As is typical, you draw a big implicit line at the point of actually questioning the value of said service, and take it for granted that mere service is grounds for "heroism". What makes him any more heroic than any sniper for any other country in any other war? And...go!
 
2013-02-03 12:36:37 AM  
Back in Saint Reagans day, these people were the heroes.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-03 12:36:38 AM  

McFifenstein: God bless and God speed. Snipers are a special breed. Killers in every respect. Its what they are trained and deployed to do.


This post encapsulates America's gun culture for me.God, guns and glory. Yeehaa!
 
2013-02-03 12:36:58 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Smackledorfer: Bit if he joined because he fell for propaganda and wanted to serve at risk of his own life.. Well that is a hero isn't it?

You talking about the SEAL or the Marine?


It goes to everyone who meets those conditions.
 
2013-02-03 12:37:06 AM  

Wayne 985: Ehhhhh, I have to disagree. Forgetting Chris Kyle, that definition would make members of al Qaeda "heroes".


And to their people, they are. It's all subjective, people.
 
2013-02-03 12:37:22 AM  
Tommy

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I: O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away"; But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play, The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play, O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play. I went into a theatre as sober as could be,They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls! For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside"; But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide, The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide, O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide. Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleepIs cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bitIs five times better business than paradin' in full kit. Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?" But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll, The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll, O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll. We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints; While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind", But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind, There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind, O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind. You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our faceThe Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace. For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!" But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot; An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please; An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
 
2013-02-03 12:37:36 AM  

HotWingAgenda: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'm surprised you don't know that a lot of the "insurgents" in Iraq were from places like Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, etc.  Even some Iranian covert ops teams working to destabilize the new regime.


So you're saying that only people from the US of A are entitled to interfere in the affairs of other nations?

Also do you not recall those foreigners that helped out in a certain revolution of north American east coast colonies against English rule? Or when the federal government sent americans overseas to throw invaders out of other countries?

Furthermore is US puppet regime really in the interests of those countries in the region?

Besides, I don't see a troll here. It's really is an irony/karma sort of thing.

drayno76: Yes we need to take the farkin guns away from the government immediately.


Yep. And the drones too. It's amazing the hypocrisy of those in the government. They have killed untold numbers of children in these foreign wars, drone attacks... and many more through economic sanctions.  Then their corporate profits for the drug companies. (Mass shooters have been on or suffering withdrawal from their products time and time again)
 
2013-02-03 12:37:45 AM  

The_Sponge: Instead of posting your opinions here, I think some of you should talk about your idiotic beliefs right outside your local VFW Hall.


But that would be scary.
 
2013-02-03 12:37:47 AM  
But that's the thing with Marines-you beat them down and they come back for more. - Chris Kyle.

rlv.zcache.com
 
2013-02-03 12:37:52 AM  
Can the killer still collect the bounty?  Or is it only valid in Iraq?
 
2013-02-03 12:37:54 AM  

Wayne 985: Frank N Stein: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?

Ehhhhh, I have to disagree. Forgetting Chris Kyle, that definition would make members of al Qaeda "heroes".


ding ding ding. My work is done.
 
2013-02-03 12:38:12 AM  

Metalman71589: We need more guns in the gun ranges so this kind of thing can never happen again!



We need to start stationing people with guns inside of gun ranges to defend gun ranges from this happening in the future.
 
2013-02-03 12:38:27 AM  

drayno76: BronyMedic: drayno76: So he followed orders and was very good at it.... So were Nazi war criminals.... They heroes too? Your turn.

That's a stupid argument, and you win the dumbass-of-the-thread award for making it, and turning a Godwin.

The Nazis neither followed the laws and conventions of warfare of which they were a signatary to, or even their own national rules and regulations regarding the treatment of combatants and occupied peoples. It's a false comparison only someone either poorly educated in history, or entirely disingenious with an agenda would promote.

Your turn.....


upkasthope.files.wordpress.com
I just answered your insinuation that because I believe an honorable Navy SEAL is a hero, I worship the Nazis. I believe the rebuttal is on you, my dear retard. Do you have anything of substance to respond with, or should I just write you off as another piss-poor troll?
 
2013-02-03 12:38:35 AM  

Molavian: Too bad he wasn't a sexually deviant minority or something.

Then Fark would have his back.


Something like a Republican priest?
 
2013-02-03 12:38:39 AM  

The_Sponge: Instead of posting your opinions here, I think some of you should talk about your idiotic beliefs right outside your local VFW Hall.


Are you kidding? Those fnckers are crazy!
 
2013-02-03 12:38:44 AM  

halB: I'm shocked.

If a man starts shooting people at a gun range, you would figure he would be put down by everyone else at the range as an act of self defense.

I have no idea how he made it away from that range, unless it was a backwoods range where you only find a handful of people shooting.

At a range with 10+ people, that guy would've been toast from the first shot.


Not so much.  If he murdered the others quickly and then discarded/dropped his gun, no one would have any legal right to shoot him at that point.
 
2013-02-03 12:39:09 AM  

BronyMedic: drayno76: BronyMedic: drayno76: So he followed orders and was very good at it.... So were Nazi war criminals.... They heroes too? Your turn.

That's a stupid argument, and you win the dumbass-of-the-thread award for making it, and turning a Godwin.

The Nazis neither followed the laws and conventions of warfare of which they were a signatary to, or even their own national rules and regulations regarding the treatment of combatants and occupied peoples. It's a false comparison only someone either poorly educated in history, or entirely disingenious with an agenda would promote.

Your turn.....

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I just answered your insinuation that because I believe an honorable Navy SEAL is a hero, I worship the Nazis. I believe the rebuttal is on you, my dear retard. Do you have anything of substance to respond with, or should I just write you off as another piss-poor troll?


Keep reading broney... the picture didn't post in the first one.... keep trying,.
 
2013-02-03 12:39:27 AM  

Wayne 985: Frank N Stein: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?

Ehhhhh, I have to disagree. Forgetting Chris Kyle, that definition would make members of al Qaeda "heroes".


And some are. See my other posts if you want more detail.

How would you define hero such that the enemy faction has none?
 
2013-02-03 12:39:56 AM  

Wayne 985: Sad. However, was this the guy who made some bizarre claims about killing Muslims for Jesus, or something to that effect?

S



Sounds bizarre now, but that attitude would have been perfectly acceptable back in the 11th century...
 
2013-02-03 12:39:58 AM  

Frank N Stein: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?





Nope.



he·ro
/ˈhi(ə)rō/
Noun
A person, typically a man, who is admired for courage or noble qualities.
The chief male character in a book, play, or movie, who is typically identified with good qualities.

 
2013-02-03 12:40:30 AM  

super_grass: HotWingAgenda: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'm surprised you don't know that a lot of the "insurgents" in Iraq were from places like Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, etc.  Even some Iranian covert ops teams working to destabilize the new regime.

The sniper is farking coward. There is no honor in killing someone from a distance with the flex of a finger.

/Unless it's with a remotely guided drone.


Conan the Barbarian eschewed archmen, saying they were pussies for killing from a distance and not right by your enemy and braining them or skewering them up close and personal
. And he's an expert.
 
2013-02-03 12:40:30 AM  
I'll throw my hat in on this one, too.  Snipers don't necessarily "fight fair" but at least they know exactly who they're killing when they do it.  He killed 160 men in 10 years; suicide bombers take out that many in five minutes and people that launch tomahawks do the same thing.  He pulled heat off of pinned-down and wounded fighters, and I'm sure they would call him a hero for that.  Sure, his zeal for his job is unsettling, but then war is absolutely horrible in just about every way you can imagine.  Another thing that snipers do: stop battles by making the opposition too scared to stick around.

His was a dirty job but an honorable one, though he no doubt carried mental scars that could have rivaled Routh's but he dumped his anguish into his faith.
 
2013-02-03 12:40:45 AM  

justtray: My job makes healthcare safer on a broad scale, and thus, by proxy, saves lives.



Well hello Mr. Fancy Pants.

/My job involves a development program for the Air Force.
//By proxy, it will save lives and take lives.
 
2013-02-03 12:40:52 AM  

HempHead: Kill boners! LOL!

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I KNOW, RIGHT! INNOCENT PEOPLE!
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2013-02-03 12:41:26 AM  

gibbon1: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

He probably was a sociopath anyways.  (Pig rule applies, it's okay to kill and eat a pig, he'd do the same for you no problem)

\Friend once told me his dad an MP in Korea, used to wake up screaming on a regular basis.




George Costanza?
 
2013-02-03 12:41:28 AM  

sheep snorter: Back in Saint Reagans day, these people were the heroes.

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Get your facts straight....he never said that about the Taliban or anyone in Afghanistan.
 
2013-02-03 12:41:33 AM  
I'm not big on calling snipers heroes.  I'm thankful for his service, though.  It's a dirty job, and much like proctology someone needs to do it.  Likewise, I imagine you can only spend so long staring at assholes before everything you see becomes one.  Either that or you have to start out with a real disposition for staring at assholes.  Either way, thanks and RIP.
 
2013-02-03 12:41:37 AM  

ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.


Fark you man he did his job. that's all we did over there. We really have no choice on who our targets are ever. people

Frank N Stein: super_grass: 100 Watt Walrus: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

Sooo, by that logic, there's no tragedy in the deaths of any American soldiers who fired on anyone in Iraq.

Disagree with our nation's military goals, fine. But you're just being a dick about the death of someone who you know nothing about beyond a few highlights of their military career, with nothing further (let alone anything useful or insightful) to offer.

/yes, we should never have gone to Iraq

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/ If they had any integrity they would not have signed up in the first place.

Careful. Don't cut yourself on that edge.


Thank you man glad someone knows we have no choice on who we fight.

and to the rest who think the same as the idoits here. you don't deserve your freedom under the Red White and Blue. sacrifices made by men like this deserve respect not cannon fodder for your political views.
 
2013-02-03 12:41:59 AM  

HempHead: Frank N Stein: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?

Nope.

he·ro
/ˈhi(ə)rō/
Noun
A person, typically a man, who is admired for courage or noble qualities.
The chief male character in a book, play, or movie, who is typically identified with good qualities.


And many people admire him for his courage. You don't have to. That's fine, it's your opinion that you're entitled too. Not sure why you don't think other people should be entitled to theirs.
 
2013-02-03 12:42:16 AM  

MrHappyRotter: Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.

His gun never killed anyone either, you dirty lib.  It's the bullets that are generally fatal.



Bullets never killed anyone. Its the lead in the bullet that killed people.
 
2013-02-03 12:42:27 AM  

super_grass: BronyMedic: super_grass: BronyMedic: super_grass: [i970.photobucket.com image 553x700]

/ If they had any integrity they would not have signed up in the first place.

[www.sadanduseless.com image 600x435]

I don't glorify murder.

Now go wave a flag like a good little Amerifat.

Oh look. You're so edgy. It's not "glorifying murder" to honor someone who served his country with distinction and honor. And it's not "murder" to put a bullet in the head of another soldier in wartime who is in the process of gunning down your buddies.

No country, or law, in the entire world defines murder as a death in active combat. But you go right on farking that chicken.

What did he defend?  How did he serve?

He killed a bunch of people who posed zero danger to himself or his country.

If a teenager prison guard can be indicted half a century after serving for Nazi Germany, then an adult solder deserves no sympathy for serving imperial america.


I will play Devil's advocate here and state that technically, he DID defend his comrades on numerous occasions (yes, I read the book). But yeah, it doesn't really make up for the fact that A) the war was a waste and B) this man clearly liked killing and could just as easily have been a serial killer in another life. I actually feel sympathy for most military personnel who have to serve in these wasteful excursions. But this guy was a certified dick.
 
2013-02-03 12:43:38 AM  
I take the family to Rough Creek Lodge about 3 times per year. It's a really nice/luxury resort in the middle of nowhere Texas, with areas for sporting clays, bird hunts, safari-style camping, and spa nonsense for the lady folk. It is not at all a typical gun range. I say this because some would expect other gun owners at a range to use their weapons to shoot back at a guy like this. Rough Creek is so spread out that it is unusual to run into other guests. This shooting could have gone unnoticed for long time.

/spectacular Beretta outfitter
 
2013-02-03 12:43:41 AM  

John Henry Eden: MrHappyRotter: Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.

His gun never killed anyone either, you dirty lib.  It's the bullets that are generally fatal.


Bullets never killed anyone. Its the lead in the bullet that killed people.


Lead never killed anyone. Physics did.
 
2013-02-03 12:44:02 AM  

Abox: wademh: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero

I'm not clear on what makes a sniper a hero.

The chef in the mess hall.


"What," not "who."
 
2013-02-03 12:44:15 AM  

drayno76: We're really good at following those 'conventions of war'.


Maybe you should look up the definition of Franc Saboteur, and just what the protections for them are under the convention of war.

I think you might be suprised.

drayno76: Your turn... we are the new Nazi's you just haven't been paying attention .


You have just lost your right to be taken seriously in this thread. And in addition, you have demonstrated you have absolutely no farking idea what you're talking about. Congradulations.
 
2013-02-03 12:44:25 AM  

drayno76: BronyMedic: drayno76: BronyMedic: drayno76: So he followed orders and was very good at it.... So were Nazi war criminals.... They heroes too? Your turn.

That's a stupid argument, and you win the dumbass-of-the-thread award for making it, and turning a Godwin.

The Nazis neither followed the laws and conventions of warfare of which they were a signatary to, or even their own national rules and regulations regarding the treatment of combatants and occupied peoples. It's a false comparison only someone either poorly educated in history, or entirely disingenious with an agenda would promote.

Your turn.....

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I just answered your insinuation that because I believe an honorable Navy SEAL is a hero, I worship the Nazis. I believe the rebuttal is on you, my dear retard. Do you have anything of substance to respond with, or should I just write you off as another piss-poor troll?

Keep reading broney... the picture didn't post in the first one.... keep trying,.


Here Capt 'murica....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

That link should stay put... The US convention of war violations since WW2... We're such great people we are...

Oh did we have concentration camps durring WW2... Yup..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

Keep trying...

still your turn, this guy is no hero.

Stick that in your derp.,
 
2013-02-03 12:44:26 AM  

super_grass: The sniper is farking coward. There is no honor in killing someone from a distance with the flex of a finger.



So by your take on things, bomber pilots and crews during WWII were cowards because they killed from a distance with just a simple motion?
 
2013-02-03 12:44:26 AM  

Smackledorfer: Was this the same sniper who talked about how god guided all his shots and it was god's will they died

If so it is still a shame when someone gets murdered, but I don't have the spare tears for self-righteous angels of death.




You know, my grandfather fought in WWI. He was in a Scottish-Canadian regiment and spent a helluva lot of time in the trenches. I don't think he ever said anything about God guiding anybody's hand during the fighting back then.

How the hell did we become such conceited assholes since then?
 
2013-02-03 12:44:33 AM  
This is what we get for not allowing God at our gun ranges.
 
2013-02-03 12:45:03 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.


I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? Sometimes, there's a man. And I'm talkin' about Chris Kyle here - Chris Kyle from Texas. Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Chris Kyle.
 
2013-02-03 12:45:55 AM  

Fat-D: Even if it was a shiatty, pointless war....aaand he may have been a bit jesus freak crazy.....he still was willing to put his own ass on the line for something the civilian leadership of this country asked him to do.

You can have whatever opinion about him that you want.

People like this are national treasures.
RIP
/Liberal
//%100 against going to Iraq in the first place


No. They are not national treasures.
I don't blame every vet who went to Vietnam for not realizing that it was an unjust action on the part of the US, but it was, and any perceptive person could tell.
Similarly, our action in Iraq were wrong from the beginning. I don't blame ever soldier who went but I'm sick of this "thank you for your service" mandate that effectively presumes that blind obedience to some abstract patriotic ideal is a good thing. It isn't. Truth remains more nuanced. If that blind patriotic sense is so praiseworthy, then you have to start praising Nazi soldiers. Again, sorry but reality is far more nuanced.
 
2013-02-03 12:45:59 AM  
regardless of what you think about chris kyle or the wars he participated in, the reality is that he was working with ptsd veterans and one turned on him.  you don't need to think of him as a hero to understand that this is incredibly sad.
 
2013-02-03 12:46:03 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: John Henry Eden: MrHappyRotter: Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.

His gun never killed anyone either, you dirty lib.  It's the bullets that are generally fatal.


Bullets never killed anyone. Its the lead in the bullet that killed people.

Lead never killed anyone. Physics did.


Physics never killed anyone, the big band did.
 
2013-02-03 12:46:12 AM  

BronyMedic: drayno76: We're really good at following those 'conventions of war'.

Maybe you should look up the definition of Franc Saboteur, and just what the protections for them are under the convention of war.

I think you might be suprised.

drayno76: Your turn... we are the new Nazi's you just haven't been paying attention .

You have just lost your right to be taken seriously in this thread. And in addition, you have demonstrated you have absolutely no farking idea what you're talking about. Congradulations.


Well shiat, you did that on page 1. Cap't 'Murica....
 
2013-02-03 12:46:39 AM  

BronyMedic: HempHead: Kill boners! LOL!

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2013-02-03 12:46:41 AM  

super_grass: Better edgy and sharp than dull and slow.

/ Proud to be edgy.
/ Proud to be atheist.
/ Proud to educate people on the internet.


You do realize that the edgy label is sarcastic, right? You don't seem to be as sharp as you like to fancy yourself.
 
2013-02-03 12:46:50 AM  

Karne: Nobody likes a camper.


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2013-02-03 12:47:29 AM  

John Henry Eden: MrHappyRotter: Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.

His gun never killed anyone either, you dirty lib.  It's the bullets that are generally fatal.


Bullets never killed anyone. Its the lead in the bullet that killed people.


The lead never killed anyone. Twas the gunpowder that gave the lead the energy to penetrate flesh that killed people.
 
2013-02-03 12:47:33 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: John Henry Eden: MrHappyRotter: Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.

His gun never killed anyone either, you dirty lib.  It's the bullets that are generally fatal.


Bullets never killed anyone. Its the lead in the bullet that killed people.

Lead never killed anyone. Physics did.

Physics never killed anyone, the big band did.


The big band never killed anyone, the rubber band did.
 
2013-02-03 12:47:48 AM  

ontariolightning: Yeah a bunch of dead people is what I want to see before I go to sleep.

i1121.photobucket.com

Sleep tight buttercup
 
2013-02-03 12:47:58 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: Physics never killed anyone, the big band did.


bigbandtranscriptions.com
 
2013-02-03 12:48:08 AM  

Fat-D: Even if it was a shiatty, pointless war....aaand he may have been a bit jesus freak crazy.....he still was willing to put his own ass on the line for something the civilian leadership of this country asked him to do.

You can have whatever opinion about him that you want.

People like this are national treasures.
RIP
/Liberal
//%100 against going to Iraq in the first place


Well put sir!
Agree or disagree with the war, respect the service.
 
2013-02-03 12:48:28 AM  
Well this thread went to hell in a hurry.
 
2013-02-03 12:48:29 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: John Henry Eden: MrHappyRotter: Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.

His gun never killed anyone either, you dirty lib.  It's the bullets that are generally fatal.


Bullets never killed anyone. Its the lead in the bullet that killed people.

Lead never killed anyone. Physics did.

Physics never killed anyone, the big band did.


The big bang never killed anyone. The...um...well f*ck...
 
2013-02-03 12:49:53 AM  
so we put the blame it on  post traumatic stress syndrome?

he wasn't just a piece of shiat?
 
2013-02-03 12:49:54 AM  

nmemkha: BronyMedic: nmemkha: @BronyMedic

I've always thought you were are an asshole. You think because you are hot shiat because you are paramedic or some such nonsense. Fark you. You work, you get paid like everyone else.

That's nice. Frankly, I really don't care. And I do relish in your anger, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Like when I sacrifice republican fetuses to my lord Satan in the night. Do you have anything substantial to add, or are you just here to threadshiat more? If you don't like me, the ignore button is approximately an inch away from the "quote" button.

Get over yourself. You are nothing special.


There's no need to be upset
 
2013-02-03 12:49:56 AM  
Currently, 4.6 posts/min. First Godwin was 31 minutes into the thread, at 12:34:02 Central time.
 
2013-02-03 12:50:02 AM  

MrHappyRotter:
The big band never killed anyone, the rubber band did.

Frank N Stein: Red Shirt Blues: Physics never killed anyone, the big band did.

[bigbandtranscriptions.com image 850x571]


Touche
 
2013-02-03 12:50:53 AM  

drayno76: Well shiat, you did that on page 1. Cap't 'Murica....


I'm not the one revising history to suit his agenda. I'm pretty anti-war in general, and I've been against getting involved in Iraq since day one, but to pull a comparison to Nazi Germany out of your ass with the United States demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about in the least, and only want to compare the two for an emotional appeal.

Call me when the United States Army is marching into Prague and rounding up everyone by their ethnicity to shoot and gas.
 
2013-02-03 12:51:00 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Currently, 4.6 posts/min. First Godwin was 31 minutes into the thread, at 12:34:02 Central time.


You're welcome.
 
2013-02-03 12:51:38 AM  
Why are soldiers with PTSD allowed near guns in the first place?
You're just asking for something bad to happen.
 
2013-02-03 12:51:58 AM  

Karne: He's going to have a whole bunch of pissed off ghosts waiting to greet him in the after world. Nobody likes a camper.


It's a legitimate strategy.
 
2013-02-03 12:51:59 AM  
Man, I love threads like this.

Really gives you a good look at both the old-school and new/emerging trolls. I don't ever block people (why would I block the people whose stupidity and animosity toward their fellow human beings is so amusing)--but if I did--it's threads like this one that would allow me to really fill up my list.

The entertainment I get from the fact that there is a large segment of human detritus that can so eloquently bait really smart people into turning into blithering idiots is nearly impossible to find outside of high schools and mental asylums.

Keep up the good work, Farkers, I love your acerbic turd-flinging. It's better than a monkey-sh*t fight at the zoo.
 
2013-02-03 12:52:07 AM  

BronyMedic: If you're actually being serious? He's a hero for undertaking a mission which only a select group of human beings, the number of which could be counted in the low thousands, in the history of the United States have been able to do.


He was a sociopath.  If you're heard him interviewed, that much was clear.   In reality, so is somewhere around 1% of the population.

Being imbued with sociopathy made it a lot easier for him do that job.   A job that most humans with standard mental wiring would find difficult, maybe even impossible, may have been no more difficult to him than shooting vermin.  Does that make him a "hero"?

/Being a sociopath doesn't mean he wasn't a hero, but it doesn't mean he was a hero either.  He served his country, absolutely, no question.  So have countless others.  Does it make him a hero?  ehhhhhhh
 
2013-02-03 12:52:23 AM  
At first I was pretty sad about this, but then it occurred to me that this man killed many, many people.  That he died at the hands of another man that was in the same business he was in.  The whole "live by the sword" thing.  I'm not joyous about this like some are, but I'm more along the lines of "meh" now.
 
2013-02-03 12:52:27 AM  

Frank N Stein: super_grass: Better edgy and sharp than dull and slow.

/ Proud to be edgy.
/ Proud to be atheist.
/ Proud to educate people on the internet.

You do realize that the edgy label is sarcastic, right? You don't seem to be as sharp as you like to fancy yourself.


Keep telling yourself that, sheep.

I spend my days blacking out the word "god" on dollar bills and convincing people on the internet that war should be fought with swords (preferably katanas) and honor like the old days.

I make a difference. What do you do besides wasting all your time on that idiocy you call "employment"?
 
2013-02-03 12:52:32 AM  
Truly a new low for Fark. Congratulations
 
2013-02-03 12:52:47 AM  

Mock26: Abox: wademh: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero

I'm not clear on what makes a sniper a hero.

The chef in the mess hall.

"What," not "who."


Does a sniper hero come with extra lettuce, in fact completely covered in lettuce, you know, for green camouflage?
 
2013-02-03 12:54:17 AM  

super_grass: Frank N Stein: super_grass: Better edgy and sharp than dull and slow.

/ Proud to be edgy.
/ Proud to be atheist.
/ Proud to educate people on the internet.

You do realize that the edgy label is sarcastic, right? You don't seem to be as sharp as you like to fancy yourself.

Keep telling yourself that, sheep.

I spend my days blacking out the word "god" on dollar bills and convincing people on the internet that war should be fought with swords (preferably katanas) and honor like the old days.

I make a difference. What do you do besides wasting all your time on that idiocy you call "employment"?


Oh lord, you got me.

+1
 
2013-02-03 12:54:32 AM  
I will leave with this bunch of hot air:
It's tragic when anyone dies. Period.
But this man was no hero. If your prerogative is to call anyone who does something dangerous a hero, fine. But by that logic, this guy is no more a hero than anyone fighting for any cause, including those you disagree with. To me, that's a pretty weak-ass definition of "hero".

This guy thought he was killing for God. I sh*t you not. Now, personally I call that a psychopath with borderline schizophrenic tendencies. But if it's to threatening to your sensibilities to consider the fact that a guy who wore our uniform was, in fact, nothing more than painfully tragic in the best case scenario, well, whatever helps you sleep at night.

What do I know? I'm just some guy who didn't sign up to murder people from 500 yards away for fun. Clearly, it's MY priorities that are screwed up.
 
2013-02-03 12:54:52 AM  

ontariolightning: Why are soldiers with PTSD allowed near guns in the first place?
You're just asking for something bad to happen.


Because in America, anyone suggesting that the mentally ill be limited in their access to firearms is automatically an Obama cock-sucking liberal socialist who is advocating for the Ready Reserve Disaster Corps to put on their jackboots, and march into homes to beat people with stethescopes and steal their guns for the concentration camps to come.

/Woohoo! Conspiracy Theory combo!
 
2013-02-03 12:54:54 AM  
super_grass:

/ Proud to be edgy.
/ Proud to be atheist.
/ Proud to educate people on the internet.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

That self-aggrandizing tone and inflated sense of importance coming from a moron on a Fark thread is just too much. It makes it so funny that you're serious, too! 

I mean, we should all pay you for the job you're doing! Keep it up!
 
2013-02-03 12:55:01 AM  

super_grass: Frank N Stein: super_grass: Better edgy and sharp than dull and slow.

/ Proud to be edgy.
/ Proud to be atheist.
/ Proud to educate people on the internet.

You do realize that the edgy label is sarcastic, right? You don't seem to be as sharp as you like to fancy yourself.

Keep telling yourself that, sheep.

I spend my days blacking out the word "god" on dollar bills and convincing people on the internet that war should be fought with swords (preferably katanas) and honor like the old days.

I make a difference. What do you do besides wasting all your time on that idiocy you call "employment"?


keyboard please.
 
2013-02-03 12:55:13 AM  

wademh: Mock26: Abox: wademh: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero

I'm not clear on what makes a sniper a hero.

The chef in the mess hall.

"What," not "who."

Does a sniper hero come with extra lettuce, in fact completely covered in lettuce, you know, for green camouflage?


When you order a sniper hero you are told to close your eyes.  When they tell you to open your eyes you have to then find the sub.
 
2013-02-03 12:55:34 AM  
Good riddance, cowardly murdered-from-afar.
 
2013-02-03 12:56:08 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I will leave with this bunch of hot air:
It's tragic when anyone dies. Period.
But this man was no hero. If your prerogative is to call anyone who does something dangerous a hero, fine. But by that logic, this guy is no more a hero than anyone fighting for any cause, including those you disagree with. To me, that's a pretty weak-ass definition of "hero".

This guy thought he was killing for God. I sh*t you not. Now, personally I call that a psychopath with borderline schizophrenic tendencies. But if it's to threatening to your sensibilities to consider the fact that a guy who wore our uniform was, in fact, nothing more than painfully tragic in the best case scenario, well, whatever helps you sleep at night.

What do I know? I'm just some guy who didn't sign up to murder people from 500 yards away for fun. Clearly, it's MY priorities that are screwed up.


We're all proud of your accomplishments too. No need to get riled up.
 
2013-02-03 12:56:09 AM  

Wardrobe_Malfunction: 3StratMan: First John Noveske, then Keith Ratliff, now Chris Kyle? Something fishy going on here...

Not really.Playing with guns just means you're likely to end up being a target



1) Playing is for toys, not firearms.

2) How did Noveske make himself a "target"?  He died in a car crash.  (Granted there are wild conspiracy theories surrounding it.)
 
2013-02-03 12:56:27 AM  

wademh: Fat-D: Even if it was a shiatty, pointless war....aaand he may have been a bit jesus freak crazy.....he still was willing to put his own ass on the line for something the civilian leadership of this country asked him to do.

You can have whatever opinion about him that you want.

People like this are national treasures.
RIP
/Liberal
//%100 against going to Iraq in the first place

No. They are not national treasures.
I don't blame every vet who went to Vietnam for not realizing that it was an unjust action on the part of the US, but it was, and any perceptive person could tell.
Similarly, our action in Iraq were wrong from the beginning. I don't blame ever soldier who went but I'm sick of this "thank you for your service" mandate that effectively presumes that blind obedience to some abstract patriotic ideal is a good thing. It isn't. Truth remains more nuanced. If that blind patriotic sense is so praiseworthy, then you have to start praising Nazi soldiers. Again, sorry but reality is far more nuanced.


Where were you guys the last time I took this position in a dead soldier thread? They're heroes for simply doing their jobs?? Sure, they chose a particularly dangerous career path...so did stuntmen...and oil rig workers...and hazardous waste disposal personnel...ad infinitum.
 
2013-02-03 12:56:29 AM  
That's 3.
 
2013-02-03 12:57:00 AM  
My God, this is by far the best post in this thread. I'm taking myself off of ignore immediately.
 
2013-02-03 12:57:02 AM  
It's always nice to see people furiously masturbating to dead servicemen, hearing them change in hushed tones "nazis nazis nazis" before they finally climax.
 
2013-02-03 12:57:06 AM  

super_grass: Frank N Stein: super_grass: Better edgy and sharp than dull and slow.

/ Proud to be edgy.
/ Proud to be atheist.
/ Proud to educate people on the internet.

You do realize that the edgy label is sarcastic, right? You don't seem to be as sharp as you like to fancy yourself.

Keep telling yourself that, sheep.

I spend my days blacking out the word "god" on dollar bills and convincing people on the internet that war should be fought with swords (preferably katanas) and honor like the old days.

I make a difference. What do you do besides wasting all your time on that idiocy you call "employment"?


f.kulfoto.com

Seriously. Just, just stop.
 
2013-02-03 12:58:11 AM  

BronyMedic: super_grass: Frank N Stein: super_grass: Better edgy and sharp than dull and slow.

/ Proud to be edgy.
/ Proud to be atheist.
/ Proud to educate people on the internet.

You do realize that the edgy label is sarcastic, right? You don't seem to be as sharp as you like to fancy yourself.

Keep telling yourself that, sheep.

I spend my days blacking out the word "god" on dollar bills and convincing people on the internet that war should be fought with swords (preferably katanas) and honor like the old days.

I make a difference. What do you do besides wasting all your time on that idiocy you call "employment"?

[f.kulfoto.com image 630x473]

Seriously. Just, just stop.


LOL, typical projection.
 
2013-02-03 12:58:13 AM  
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-03 12:58:27 AM  
It's assholes like this that make the two or three dozen responsible gun owners in this country look bad.
 
2013-02-03 12:58:33 AM  
Pat Tillman was indeed a hero, for showing how corrupt the military can be, and how shameless they are in covering up something to score political points.

Wait... what thread is this again?
 
2013-02-03 12:59:10 AM  
If you guys wanna see a real hero look no further than Jack farking Bauer.
 
2013-02-03 12:59:23 AM  
Um...this is apparently another government conspiracy to take guns away from law abiding citizens....apparently.
The comments on this article are pretty special:

All of the crazy are belong to Texas
 
2013-02-03 01:00:12 AM  

Mock26: wademh: Mock26: Abox: wademh: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero

I'm not clear on what makes a sniper a hero.

The chef in the mess hall.

"What," not "who."

Does a sniper hero come with extra lettuce, in fact completely covered in lettuce, you know, for green camouflage?

When you order a sniper hero you are told to close your eyes.  When they tell you to open your eyes you have to then find the sub.


I'll have the sniper hero with the ghillie soup.

/no soup for you
 
2013-02-03 01:00:16 AM  
why does every god damn thing every human being ever does have to be labeled?

people are pieces of shiat. he was a murderer. period.

this guy was a piece of shiat
 
2013-02-03 01:00:18 AM  

justtray: Pat Tillman was indeed a hero, for showing how corrupt the military can be, and how shameless they are in covering up something to score political points.

Wait... what thread is this again?


This is the thread where we all exhibit our moral superiority.
 
2013-02-03 01:00:52 AM  
Live by the gub, die by the gub.
.
.
-Woody Allen
 
2013-02-03 01:01:16 AM  

Johnsnownw: The lead never killed anyone. Twas the gunpowder that gave the lead the energy to penetrate flesh that killed people.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
"The bullet punctures the guy's flesh, but the gunpowder propels the bullet... who is the real hero?"
 
2013-02-03 01:01:24 AM  

mrlewish: Molavian: Too bad he wasn't a sexually deviant minority or something.

Then Fark would have his back.

Something like a Republican priest?


Whoa, now.  I didn't say he was a family values politician.
 
2013-02-03 01:01:50 AM  

BronyMedic: drayno76: Well shiat, you did that on page 1. Cap't 'Murica....

I'm not the one revising history to suit his agenda. I'm pretty anti-war in general, and I've been against getting involved in Iraq since day one, but to pull a comparison to Nazi Germany out of your ass with the United States demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about in the least, and only want to compare the two for an emotional appeal.

Call me when the United States Army is marching into Prague and rounding up everyone by their ethnicity to shoot and gas.


You REALLY don't pay attention to what we're doing at home and around the world do you?  Every farking fiber of a foreign policy is protect the wealthy favored races; WTF do you think the Jews were to the Nazi's?  An economic threat.  Genocide in Nazi Germany was directly tied the economic status post WW1. We've not been involved in a war that did not specifically involve U.S. economic interests since the revolutionary war.... Which.... was a about taxation, but there was no US yet.

Iraq - about nothing but money.  Afghanistan today is about money and probably always was.People have made fortunes off the back of this guys killings....
Fortunes in selling fear to the U.S., back-scatter technology that will kill us to protect us, privacy tossed out the window, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure is more of a fantasy today than ever before, free speech has hit the shiatter too and the media follows all the rules. just like... Nazi Germany.. oh and we now legally detain and torture American citizens as long as they can be linked to something that might be a threat of terror.

Hero's who kill for money are nothing IMO.  People who send kids to other lands to kill for money are not patriots.  People who knowingly and willingly sign up to work for those that send people to kill for cash are not heroes. 

We have become our enemy and we've been working on it a long time.

I could have gotten Osama and Sadam with a simple ad on TORnet, but that would be inhumane to kill our target without bombing children first.
 
2013-02-03 01:01:54 AM  

BronyMedic: No country, or law, in the entire world defines murder as a death in active combat.


Tell that to Omar Khadr.
 
2013-02-03 01:02:25 AM  

ficklefkrfark: Fat-D: Even if it was a shiatty, pointless war....aaand he may have been a bit jesus freak crazy.....he still was willing to put his own ass on the line for something the civilian leadership of this country asked him to do.

You can have whatever opinion about him that you want.

People like this are national treasures.
RIP
/Liberal
//%100 against going to Iraq in the first place

Well put sir!
Agree or disagree with the war, respect the service.


Do I also respect the service for the other side who are fighting for their country?
Do I "respect" them with a sniper rifle?
I know this "respect the service" line is a blowback from the cliche of calling vietnam vets "baby killers", and to the extent that happened, it was wrong.
But that doesn't mean you have to swing the pendulum all the way back to claiming that anyone who serves their country is automatically knighted and sainted.
I know too many who signed up after 9-11 because they wanted to go kill Arabs, any old Arab, and that remains a disreputable goal whether you wear my country's uniform or not. Sorry but wearing a uniform is not a absolution from moral constraints.
 
2013-02-03 01:02:27 AM  
you have to be careful at golf driving ranges as well

http://william-flew.co.nz/wf3.html
 
2013-02-03 01:02:30 AM  

Super Xylene: Um...this is apparently another government conspiracy to take guns away from law abiding citizens....apparently.
The comments on this article are pretty special:

All of the crazy are belong to Texas


one of the posts said Question Everything.. reminded me of that bastard commie Russian site RT
 
2013-02-03 01:02:33 AM  

Ivo Shandor: BronyMedic: No country, or law, in the entire world defines murder as a death in active combat.

Tell that to Omar Khadr.


I agree. The Wire was a crying shame how they killed him off.
 
2013-02-03 01:03:08 AM  
its slowing down in here.

it was a good try Fark.
 
2013-02-03 01:03:09 AM  
In all seriousness, this is a terrible example of the lack of mental healthcare our veterans are receiving upon return from wherever they go.  Whether you agree or disagree with the mission, the failure to recognize and address that we've got a second Vietnam worth of societal problems revolving around veterans returning with mental/emotional issues will haunt us for the next 60 years.
 
2013-02-03 01:03:42 AM  
I wonder how many people who all "don't care about a member of the armed forces dying because he is technically a murder" also are OUTRAGED that Anwar Al-Aulaqi was killed. Every drop of brown blood is precious but death to America.

Also for those who view the military as welfare queens, they actually work so it isn't welfare in the sense of the word. This country wouldn't even have a middle class if it wasn't for veterans who went to college post WW2. The military is responsible for the safety we enjoy today, training and disciplining many young men and woman with job and social skills, and providing technological advancements including the very internet that is trolling me at this very second. When you view the pay of junior enlisted and break up their salary over 4 weeks and a 40 hour work week (and nobody in the Military works under 40 hours) it isn't that much higher than minimum wage. Last but not least, the military is actually mandated by our constitution and every political philosophy believes at the minimum that government's roll is to provide both a military and Infrastructure.

/in short, go chock on dicks
//been successfully trolled
///might as well crack open a six pack for this thread
 
2013-02-03 01:03:58 AM  
Wha?  Just because the guy killed a lot of other people is his life now somehow more important? Their souls added to his?

Each and every murder in a war is a failure of the human race to progress and reflects poorly on all of us.

What about that dude that saved over a hundred lives?  remember him?  exactly.
 
2013-02-03 01:04:56 AM  
I had no idea that fark was this entertaining so late at night..
 
2013-02-03 01:05:47 AM  

wademh: Truth remains more nuanced. If that blind patriotic sense is so praiseworthy, then you have to start praising Nazi soldiers. Again, sorry but reality is far more nuanced.


Yes, but when you feel that doubt creeping in, you have to quash it down by doubling down on belief in your own people, like a good nationalist. In the same way that when a religious person feels a crisis of faith, they become zealots to squelch the scary reality.
 
2013-02-03 01:06:00 AM  

nmemkha: BronyMedic: nmemkha: LOL, typical projection.

Oooh. Someone got his GED in Psychology tonight. Mail order worked out well, didn't it Sigmund Fraud?

[www.alldaypharmacy.co.uk image 450x378]

Maybe that'll help with your sandy vagina. Troll on, interweb hero! Troll on!

I will just let your lame rebuttal mock you for me.


That's okay. I still love you. Black Jesus still loves you. Flying Spagetti Monster still loves you.

Do you have a moment to talk about his touching noodly appendage, Sir? Eternal salvation awaits you in a paradise of stripper factories and beer volcanos.
 
2013-02-03 01:06:05 AM  

universebetween: its slowing down in here.

it was a good try Fark.


I don't know. It's always easy to discount a thread's chances of Going Plaid when the heavies blow their wads 100 comments in, but there are some quality trolls working the crowd right now. Quality.
 
2013-02-03 01:06:12 AM  
www.theblaze.com
Any friend off Sarah Palin is dead to me...
 
2013-02-03 01:06:22 AM  
I can't really put a "hero" label on this guy.  He served honorably with distinction and courage, but the conflict he served in was a load of shiat.  Not every soldier is a hero.  Not every insurgent is a villain.  Granted, if I had to choose, I'd rather have a soldier hanging around than a Taliban fighter, but you can't paint either group in black and white.  There may be people with the virtue of a saint serving in uniform, but I've personally known quite a few absolutely vile service members as well.  On that same note, there might be some terrorists who are in it purely because they believe it's the best/only way to make a better life for themselves or their families, along with the ones mentioned up-thread with killboners for any American they can find.  The best thing we as a nation can do is educate ourselves, pick leaders who will look out for everyone's best interest, and beat the everloving shiat out of the ones who betray that trust.

/veteran, not a hero
//for me it was a job and a way out of my crappy home town
 
2013-02-03 01:06:37 AM  

super_grass: Red Shirt Blues: drayno76: BronyMedic: drayno76: So he followed orders and was very good at it.... So were Nazi war criminals.... They heroes too? Your turn.

That's a stupid argument, and you win the dumbass-of-the-thread award for making it, and turning a Godwin.

The Nazis neither followed the laws and conventions of warfare of which they were a signatary to, or even their own national rules and regulations regarding the treatment of combatants and occupied peoples. It's a false comparison only someone either poorly educated in history, or entirely disingenious with an agenda would promote.

[morallowground.com image 400x279]

We're really good at following those 'conventions of war'.


Your turn... we are the new Nazi's you just haven't been paying attention .
[craunkids.pbworks.com image 800x524]
[www.newjewishcongregation.org image 850x693]
Yes cause that equals what the nazis did...har har har I'm soooooooo edgy like you

Better edgy and sharp than dull and slow.

/ Proud to be edgy.
/ Proud to be atheist.
/ Proud to educate people on the internet.


Wait, no, wait. Your an atheist!? There was another one in this same thread! Omg! Your like the second one on the internet!

Aaaand you like to "educate" people on how smart and logical you are!?
 
2013-02-03 01:06:38 AM  

CatherineM: I had no idea that fark was this entertaining so late at night..


You need to stay up more often. And it's only midnight your time. Come back in a few hours when things get totally bizzaro.
 
2013-02-03 01:06:43 AM  

Frank N Stein: ElBarto79: Oh wow, I have a gun nut friend who is constantly posting on Facebook how you never see shootings at gun ranges. This is getting forwarded to him.

The important thing is that this dead soldier proved you right with your facebook friend.


No, the important thing is he is dead. Hopefully more gun nuts will follow.
 
2013-02-03 01:07:09 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: why does every god damn thing every human being ever does have to be labeled?

people are pieces of shiat. he was a murderer. period.

this guy was a piece of shiat


I'd hate to know how you feel about Teddy charging the spanish on horse back. Also, you just labeled something he did, incorrectly mind you, but I doubt you care.
 
2013-02-03 01:07:27 AM  

BronyMedic: super_grass: Frank N Stein: super_grass: Better edgy and sharp than dull and slow.

/ Proud to be edgy.
/ Proud to be atheist.
/ Proud to educate people on the internet.

You do realize that the edgy label is sarcastic, right? You don't seem to be as sharp as you like to fancy yourself.

Keep telling yourself that, sheep.

I spend my days blacking out the word "god" on dollar bills and convincing people on the internet that war should be fought with swords (preferably katanas) and honor like the old days.

I make a difference. What do you do besides wasting all your time on that idiocy you call "employment"?

[f.kulfoto.com image 630x473]

Seriously. Just, just stop.


Looks like you just got  

*puts on fedora*

appleJACKED
 
2013-02-03 01:07:38 AM  

BronyMedic: Call me when the United States Army is marching into Prague and rounding up everyone by their ethnicity to shoot and gas.


So that's the red line in your world of moral relativism?

I love you guys.
 
2013-02-03 01:08:02 AM  
So what was the rifle range, about 200 meters?
 
2013-02-03 01:08:06 AM  

BronyMedic: Ivo Shandor: BronyMedic: No country, or law, in the entire world defines murder as a death in active combat.

Tell that to Omar Khadr.

I agree. The Wire was a crying shame how they killed him off.



Wrong.  That was Omar Vizquel.
 
2013-02-03 01:08:20 AM  

mrlewish: Wha?  Just because the guy killed a lot of other people is his life now somehow more important? Their souls added to his?

Each and every murder in a war is a failure of the human race to progress and reflects poorly on all of us.

What about that dude that saved over a hundred lives?  remember him?  exactly.


Dexter Morgan? Superman? Peter & Nathan Petrielli? Chuck Bartowski?
Michael Westin? Jack Bauer?
 
2013-02-03 01:08:34 AM  

Phoenix_M: [www.theblaze.com image 566x262]
Any friend off Sarah Palin is dead to me...


Arumat: I can't really put a "hero" label on this guy.  He served honorably with distinction and courage, but the conflict he served in was a load of shiat.  Not every soldier is a hero.  Not every insurgent is a villain.  Granted, if I had to choose, I'd rather have a soldier hanging around than a Taliban fighter, but you can't paint either group in black and white.  There may be people with the virtue of a saint serving in uniform, but I've personally known quite a few absolutely vile service members as well.  On that same note, there might be some terrorists who are in it purely because they believe it's the best/only way to make a better life for themselves or their families, along with the ones mentioned up-thread with killboners for any American they can find.  The best thing we as a nation can do is educate ourselves, pick leaders who will look out for everyone's best interest, and beat the everloving shiat out of the ones who betray that trust.

/veteran, not a hero
//for me it was a job and a way out of my crappy home town


he was just a POS that happened to serve in the US Military
 
2013-02-03 01:08:46 AM  
What a shame. Killed by guns, you say? Terrible shame.
 
2013-02-03 01:09:09 AM  
I gotta say, this is one thing that always worries me about gun ranges. At my local range everyone's very professional and courteous, but if I'm alone and head up range to check my 200 yard target when some unhinged lunatic arrives and sets up his rifle...I think about this every time I'm out there, I can't help it.

The worst I've seen though is some dumbass kid ran out onto the range once to set up a target while I was the lone shooter.

/Backup plan: hit the dirt, dive behind one of the berms. Work my way around the side back to the benches, and kick the living shiat out of him.
 
2013-02-03 01:09:39 AM  

justtray: Frank N Stein: justtray: "This facility has no guns. There's a gun range next door that is well armed with the sniper that killed a bunch of your countrymen. I will not attempt to stop you when you try to exact your revenge on him."

justtray: Thank god shooting spree killers never target gun ranges because they're so well armed.

Also, thankfully, one of the many armed heroes was able to stop this guy before he could commit terror. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.... except when they don't.

Don't stop now. You're on a roll.

Nah that's enough. That fully destroys a couple really stupid gun-nut talking points. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll come up with some new, equally invalid ones next week.

Open wide, liberals are coming!


You've never been to a range have you?
 
2013-02-03 01:09:43 AM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Frank N Stein: ElBarto79: Oh wow, I have a gun nut friend who is constantly posting on Facebook how you never see shootings at gun ranges. This is getting forwarded to him.

The important thing is that this dead soldier proved you right with your facebook friend.

No, the important thing is he is dead. Hopefully more gun nuts will follow.


Thank you for showing the world how morally superior you are. I'm sure El Che would agree with you.
 
2013-02-03 01:10:02 AM  

The_Sponge: BronyMedic: Ivo Shandor: BronyMedic: No country, or law, in the entire world defines murder as a death in active combat.

Tell that to Omar Khadr.

I agree. The Wire was a crying shame how they killed him off.


Wrong.  That was Omar Vizquel.


No, no no. That was the guy that got raped in the shower on Oz, remember?

i2.ytimg.com
 
2013-02-03 01:10:05 AM  

BronyMedic: drayno76: Well shiat, you did that on page 1. Cap't 'Murica....

I'm not the one revising history to suit his agenda. I'm pretty anti-war in general, and I've been against getting involved in Iraq since day one, but to pull a comparison to Nazi Germany out of your ass with the United States demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about in the least, and only want to compare the two for an emotional appeal.

Call me when the United States Army is marching into Prague and rounding up everyone by their ethnicity to shoot and gas.


Logic remains logic. You, BronyMedic, are the one giving a pass to anyone who is serving in the US military. You show no sense of qualification in your admiration for anyone who does so. You were presented with the logical extension. It is apparent that you have no honest response and have been exposed.
 
2013-02-03 01:10:40 AM  

GUTSU: Thank you for showing the world how morally superior you are. I'm sure El Che would agree with you.


Damn it, why did you have to do that? I put that guy on ignore for a reason.
 
2013-02-03 01:10:40 AM  

phatix: Mock26: wademh: Mock26: Abox: wademh: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero

I'm not clear on what makes a sniper a hero.

The chef in the mess hall.

"What," not "who."

Does a sniper hero come with extra lettuce, in fact completely covered in lettuce, you know, for green camouflage?

When you order a sniper hero you are told to close your eyes.  When they tell you to open your eyes you have to then find the sub.

I'll have the sniper hero with the ghillie soup.

/no soup for you


Wrong restaurant.  You need to try the nazi deli down the road.
 
2013-02-03 01:11:02 AM  
I can appreciate the skills it takes to be a sniper.  I can appreciate the precision, the tools, the mission.  I'm not so big on the killing for Jesus crowd, and the people that cheer it on.  This guy seemed a little... off, to put it mildly.

Carlos Hathcock's biography mentioned how he tried to weed out the crazies and the ones who enjoyed it when he started putting together a scout sniper unit in Vietnam.  That you can take satisfaction in a job well done, but there's a line that can get crossed.  I'd like to know if anyone wanted him pulled off the line and examined, and what the results were or weren't.

/When you talk to God, it's faith
//When he talks back, it's insanity.
///When he tells you to kill, it's time to crinkle some tinfoil on the antenna.
 
2013-02-03 01:11:22 AM  
Thank you for your service to our country, Chris Kyle - Salute!
 
2013-02-03 01:11:24 AM  
arolemodel.com
 
2013-02-03 01:12:05 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: CatherineM: I had no idea that fark was this entertaining so late at night..

You need to stay up more often. And it's only midnight your time. Come back in a few hours when things get totally bizzaro.


I saw this news on facebook along with plenty of derp, so I had to come here and.. yeah, I don't know what I was expecting. It got really weird really quick. Saw the below on a friend's page.. at least spell check, fer chrissake..

i59.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-03 01:12:16 AM  

Frank N Stein: He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?


How does that differ from a bad guy ?
 
2013-02-03 01:12:35 AM  

drayno76: [arolemodel.com image 529x650]


Says the asshole that failed to act upon the Sith threat before it took hold.
 
2013-02-03 01:13:15 AM  

drayno76: [arolemodel.com image 529x650]


sadly it gets dismissed as entertainment.
 
2013-02-03 01:13:42 AM  

universebetween: drayno76: [arolemodel.com image 529x650]

sadly it gets dismissed as entertainment.


I tried.
 
2013-02-03 01:13:59 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: I gotta say, this is one thing that always worries me about gun ranges. At my local range everyone's very professional and courteous, but if I'm alone and head up range to check my 200 yard target when some unhinged lunatic arrives and sets up his rifle...I think about this every time I'm out there, I can't help it.

The worst I've seen though is some dumbass kid ran out onto the range once to set up a target while I was the lone shooter.

/Backup plan: hit the dirt, dive behind one of the berms. Work my way around the side back to the benches, and kick the living shiat out of him.



In all honesty, I don't even think about it.  Besides, it's more likely that I will die in a car crash.

Side note:

A local indoor range had a streak of bad luck some years ago....2-3 suicides on the range....they used rented handguns.  And then you had this one girl who shot her boyfriend in the throat with a .44 Magnum....the recoil caused her hands to move over her head and behind her back....and she shot off another round.  Ugh.
 
2013-02-03 01:14:42 AM  

Slartibartfaster: Frank N Stein: He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?

How does that differ from a bad guy ?


Because he's on our team, and in my opinion our team is more virtuous than their team.
 
2013-02-03 01:15:07 AM  

Frank N Stein: drayno76: [arolemodel.com image 529x650]

Says the asshole that failed to act upon the Sith threat before it took hold.


Damn. The little f*cker *does* look a bit like Cheney, now that I think about it.
 
2013-02-03 01:15:44 AM  

fusillade762: Smackledorfer: Was this the same sniper who talked about how god guided all his shots and it was god's will they died

If so it is still a shame when someone gets murdered, but I don't have the spare tears for self-righteous angels of death.

[i338.photobucket.com image 600x325]


Interesting. Does anyone know the situation with the bolt handle on that '03 Springfield?  I'm not familiar with that variant, and I've got about 15 of 'em.
 
2013-02-03 01:16:24 AM  
Ban all guns.
 
2013-02-03 01:16:25 AM  

HotWingAgenda: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'm surprised you don't know that a lot of the "insurgents" in Iraq were from places like Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, etc. Even some Iranian covert ops teams working to destabilize the new regime.


Yeah, a whole lot of them. I believe the percentage of foreigners among insurgents killed (counted by the Bush admin) was around 2%. But keep on relating to that chicken.
 
2013-02-03 01:16:32 AM  

BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

If you're actually being serious? He's a hero for undertaking a mission which only a select group of human beings, the number of which could be counted in the low thousands, in the history of the United States have been able to do. In doing so, he placed himself at extreme risk of capture by an enemy who would neither respect the laws and conventions of warfare, but would gleefully do horrific things to his corpse long after tortuing and murdering him to do so. His mission not only placed him in the realm of disproportionate risk as a soldier, but also provided a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer, allowing American and allied forces to do what they needed to do, without endangering civilians and noncombattants as much as a drone strike or artillery strike would have.

He did this while honoribly serving his country, and upholding the laws and values of the UCMJ and the conventions which we stuck to, even while others didn't.

So yes. That's why he's a hero. Some people aren't satisfied being BASH Commandos in a cubicle.


Well put...people forget that that right or wrong, the rights we enjoy as Americans are served by people such as this...disagree or not with the mission, he served his country above and beyond the call of duty.
 
2013-02-03 01:16:48 AM  
Whoa...

Didn't this guy have a feud with Jesse Ventura and the 9-11 Truthers? Any connection?

Phoenix_M: Any friend off Sarah Palin is dead to me...


Do you know that everyone knows you're an asshole?
 
2013-02-03 01:17:34 AM  

MisterTweak: Frank N Stein: drayno76: [arolemodel.com image 529x650]

Says the asshole that failed to act upon the Sith threat before it took hold.

Damn. The little f*cker *does* look a bit like Cheney, now that I think about it.


I'm just saying. Yoda put himself on a pedestal high and mightily as the leader of the Jedi and protector of the Republic. He failed to protect the republic, than has the audacity to say that all the people whos deaths he's responsible for are not heroes.
 
2013-02-03 01:17:42 AM  

John Henry Eden: MrHappyRotter: Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.

His gun never killed anyone either, you dirty lib.  It's the bullets that are generally fatal.


Bullets never killed anyone. Its the lead in the bullet that killed people.


It's the propellant blasting the lead projectile that kills.
 
2013-02-03 01:18:05 AM  
As a compromise, let's ban bans.
 
2013-02-03 01:19:00 AM  
Blah blah blah reset clock blah blah blah
 
2013-02-03 01:19:12 AM  

sheep snorter: Back in Saint Reagans day, these people were the heroes.

[i.imgur.com image 485x237]


Don't you ever do basic research before posting internet memes? The Taliban weren't around in the 80s and most of those men in the room weren't part of it when it was created.
 
2013-02-03 01:19:22 AM  

ficklefkrfark: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

If you're actually being serious? He's a hero for undertaking a mission which only a select group of human beings, the number of which could be counted in the low thousands, in the history of the United States have been able to do. In doing so, he placed himself at extreme risk of capture by an enemy who would neither respect the laws and conventions of warfare, but would gleefully do horrific things to his corpse long after tortuing and murdering him to do so. His mission not only placed him in the realm of disproportionate risk as a soldier, but also provided a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer, allowing American and allied forces to do what they needed to do, without endangering civilians and noncombattants as much as a drone strike or artillery strike would have.

He did this while honoribly serving his country, and upholding the laws and values of the UCMJ and the conventions which we stuck to, even while others didn't.

So yes. That's why he's a hero. Some people aren't satisfied being BASH Commandos in a cubicle.

Well put...people forget that that right or wrong, the rights we enjoy as Americans are served by people such as this...disagree or not with the mission, he served his country above and beyond the call of duty.


Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?
 
2013-02-03 01:20:14 AM  

djh0101010: fusillade762: Smackledorfer: Was this the same sniper who talked about how god guided all his shots and it was god's will they died

If so it is still a shame when someone gets murdered, but I don't have the spare tears for self-righteous angels of death.

[i338.photobucket.com image 600x325]

Interesting. Does anyone know the situation with the bolt handle on that '03 Springfield?  I'm not familiar with that variant, and I've got about 15 of 'em.


It's probably a longer handle because he's left-handed.
 
2013-02-03 01:20:24 AM  

wademh: BronyMedic: drayno76: Well shiat, you did that on page 1. Cap't 'Murica....

I'm not the one revising history to suit his agenda. I'm pretty anti-war in general, and I've been against getting involved in Iraq since day one, but to pull a comparison to Nazi Germany out of your ass with the United States demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about in the least, and only want to compare the two for an emotional appeal.

Call me when the United States Army is marching into Prague and rounding up everyone by their ethnicity to shoot and gas.

Logic remains logic. You, BronyMedic, are the one giving a pass to anyone who is serving in the US military. You show no sense of qualification in your admiration for anyone who does so. You were presented with the logical extension. It is apparent that you have no honest response and have been exposed.


You're absolutely right. Clearly what you read by logical extension means I support and honor soldiers who violate the code set forth by the Geneva and the Hague conventions, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and the ethos and honor of their respective branch.

Despite never stating any of that.

Logic.(-al fallacies!) It makes you Psychic!
 
2013-02-03 01:22:04 AM  

RandomRandom: BronyMedic: If you're actually being serious? He's a hero for undertaking a mission which only a select group of human beings, the number of which could be counted in the low thousands, in the history of the United States have been able to do.

He was a sociopath.  If you're heard him interviewed, that much was clear.   In reality, so is somewhere around 1% of the population.

Being imbued with sociopathy made it a lot easier for him do that job.   A job that most humans with standard mental wiring would find difficult, maybe even impossible, may have been no more difficult to him than shooting vermin.  Does that make him a "hero"?

/Being a sociopath doesn't mean he wasn't a hero, but it doesn't mean he was a hero either.  He served his country, absolutely, no question.  So have countless others.  Does it make him a hero?  ehhhhhhh


I don't know if he was a sociopath, I don't want to get into that, but he was doing his job.

The idea of heroism implies going above and beyond what you're expected to do, taking risks and making sacrifices that nobody would fault you for not taking in order to achieve some outcome other than personal gain. He didn't throw himself on a grenade or die trying to pull a kid out of a fire. This is a guy who loved what he was doing. It was also entirely within the confines of his job description, it was the thing he took a paycheck for.

None of those things are criticisms, and I'm not saying he didn't do anything heroic, maybe it's inside his book, but everybody is ejaculating all over themselves about what's on the cover. The whole "shooting 160 people" thing is merely doing a job that he enjoyed, repeatedly and well. You might say it's legendary, but it does seem like a misuse of the word to call it heroic and like all the "real American hero" types in the comments over there are more than a little...off-base.
 
2013-02-03 01:23:34 AM  

nmemkha: Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?


Your basic human right to create a global hegemony was being threatened, buddy. Cmon!
 
2013-02-03 01:23:52 AM  
So much derp here, I hope we survive it.


RIP
 
2013-02-03 01:23:52 AM  

nmemkha: Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?


Vietnam was a product of the cold war phillosophies of the United States. The problem was that the South Koreans were just as bad, as a Government, as the north, and lacked legitimacy of the people and the will to fight.

Iraq was a mistake, period, to get involved in. Soldiers who commited war crimes SHOULD be punished and held accountable for that, and their commanders as well.

It doesn't mean I have to shiat on the US military at any chance I get.
 
2013-02-03 01:23:58 AM  

CatherineM: Red Shirt Blues: CatherineM: I had no idea that fark was this entertaining so late at night..

You need to stay up more often. And it's only midnight your time. Come back in a few hours when things get totally bizzaro.

I saw this news on facebook along with plenty of derp, so I had to come here and.. yeah, I don't know what I was expecting. It got really weird really quick. Saw the below on a friend's page.. at least spell check, fer chrissake..

[i59.photobucket.com image 850x362]


I can't say anything....got nailed earlier in this thread on a misspelling.
 
2013-02-03 01:24:34 AM  
Apparantly South Vietnam is in Korea now. Thanks Chrome!
 
2013-02-03 01:24:39 AM  

nmemkha: ficklefkrfark:
Well put...people forget that that right or wrong, the rights we enjoy as Americans are served by people such as this...disagree or not with the mission, he served his country above and beyond the call of duty.

Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?


In Vietnam most of the people serving didn't actually have a say in the matter, as for how it made us safe? It necessary to stop the spread of communism, you may disagree but in the 60s it was a very real threat. As for iraq, which war are you specifically talking about?
 
2013-02-03 01:24:39 AM  
Look people, ALL actions are viewed FROM a perspective and WITHIN a context.

1) The nuclear bombing of Japan.
2) The Arab-Israeli conflict.
3) Taliban-American war in Afghanistan.

There are actors on all of the sides in the above examples. Those actors have a perspective from which they view actions, and a mental context, which are the experiences and information they have.

And never the twain shall meet.

An American Marine, in an amphibious assault unit, waiting for the invasion of mainland Japan had a perspective on the nuclear bombing. So did a Japanese military man. An American civilian and Japanese civilians did too. And they had their own contexts as well through which the information was filtered. And they will never be reconciled.
 
2013-02-03 01:25:17 AM  
Etch A Sketch creator Andre Cassagnes died today. He was a real hero!
 
2013-02-03 01:25:28 AM  
This guy was a farking idiot and a clinical example of someone with antisocial personality disorder aka psychopath/sociopath. It's nice that he served his country and such but a person of his type has no place helping someone with brain trauma recover. You want to help out, sure why not, but do not put them in a situation that can trigger an episode and as this case shows results in tragic results.

The kid wants to fire a few rounds? Fine, take him to laser tag or a paint ball course. Give him an old NES light gun but don't hand him a live weapon. Make sure he has a few years of therapy, that he has some meds or some sort of coping system or put him in immersion therapy but give him a live weapon on an open range was just asking for trouble.

This guy was full of himself and he paid the price for it. How do I know? He wrote a book. God told him to do what he did. And most important of all, he enjoyed doing it.

And as a disclaimer this is not a troll. I work at a state hospital, I see kids and adults with TBI, PTSD, sociopaths and psychopaths and everything in between of all stripes and colors. And the latter of the bunch are worst and hardest to work with. And the only thing standing between them tearing my head off and me making it home after shift is making sure they take their meds, knowing how to talk  and deal with them and a hell of a of luck since most of these guys come from the prisons and are in far better shape than my potato sack ass and they have nothing better to do all day than work out and plot and plan.

/But I do have a great dental plan.
 
2013-02-03 01:26:02 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: John Henry Eden: MrHappyRotter: Frank N Stein: deadliest sniper in U.S. history

He never killed anyone. His gun did.

His gun never killed anyone either, you dirty lib.  It's the bullets that are generally fatal.


Bullets never killed anyone. Its the lead in the bullet that killed people.

Lead never killed anyone. Physics did.


I blame the pink mist.
 
2013-02-03 01:26:11 AM  
I must say, this thread has the absolute best showing of trolling that I have ever seen. Seriously, I have never seen this much trolling and of such high caliber all in one place.
 
2013-02-03 01:27:23 AM  

Mock26: Abox: wademh: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero

I'm not clear on what makes a sniper a hero.

The chef in the mess hall.

"What," not "who."


Clearly you've never been in a mess hall - What is the proper term.
 
2013-02-03 01:28:17 AM  

GUTSU: nmemkha: ficklefkrfark:
Well put...people forget that that right or wrong, the rights we enjoy as Americans are served by people such as this...disagree or not with the mission, he served his country above and beyond the call of duty.

Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?

In Vietnam most of the people serving didn't actually have a say in the matter, as for how it made us safe? It necessary to stop the spread of communism, you may disagree but in the 60s it was a very real threat. As for iraq, which war are you specifically talking about?


We failed in Vietnam and the world did not end. Was it worth all the death?

Does doing a dangerous and unpleasant job for the benefit of others make you are hero? Male prostitutes meet that criteria. (at least to their Johns). 

Are they heroes?
 
2013-02-03 01:28:28 AM  

crabsno termites: Mock26: Abox: wademh: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero

I'm not clear on what makes a sniper a hero.

The chef in the mess hall.

"What," not "who."

Clearly you've never been in a mess hall - What is the proper term.


Enjoy the Omlette MRE. It's to die for.
 
2013-02-03 01:29:08 AM  

GUTSU: nmemkha: ficklefkrfark:
Well put...people forget that that right or wrong, the rights we enjoy as Americans are served by people such as this...disagree or not with the mission, he served his country above and beyond the call of duty.

Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?

In Vietnam most of the people serving didn't actually have a say in the matter, as for how it made us safe? It necessary to stop the spread of communism, you may disagree but in the 60s it was a very real threat. As for iraq, which war are you specifically talking about?


Poe's law.
 
2013-02-03 01:29:17 AM  

HotWingAgenda: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'm surprised you don't know that a lot of the "insurgents" in Iraq were from places like Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, etc.  Even some Iranian covert ops teams working to destabilize the new regime.



Oh look, this lie again.

Funny how Israel is never included in the list of countries that supposedly had kill teams in Iraq.
 
2013-02-03 01:30:11 AM  
How long until the derp squad claim that this is Obama killing off people that know the truth about the Bin Ladin raid?
 
2013-02-03 01:31:03 AM  
 This is Obama killing off people that know the truth about the Bin Ladin raid.
 
2013-02-03 01:31:39 AM  

ontariolightning: Yeah a bunch of dead people is what I want to see before I go to sleep.


Don't watch the TCM (Turner Classic Movies) channel then.
 
2013-02-03 01:33:11 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: djh0101010: fusillade762: Smackledorfer: Was this the same sniper who talked about how god guided all his shots and it was god's will they died

If so it is still a shame when someone gets murdered, but I don't have the spare tears for self-righteous angels of death.

[i338.photobucket.com image 600x325]

Interesting. Does anyone know the situation with the bolt handle on that '03 Springfield?  I'm not familiar with that variant, and I've got about 15 of 'em.

It's probably a longer handle because he's left-handed.


You know who else was a lefty?
thepatriotperspective.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-03 01:33:24 AM  
Looking over this thread, it seems as though some of the more retarded yahoo posters have discovered Fark.
 
2013-02-03 01:33:46 AM  

Phoenix_M: [www.theblaze.com image 566x262]
Any friend off Sarah Palin is dead to me...


You follow Palin on Twitter?
I hope you at least wash your hands afterward.
 
2013-02-03 01:34:39 AM  

BronyMedic: nmemkha: Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?

Vietnam was a product of the cold war phillosophies of the United States. The problem was that the South Koreans were just as bad, as a Government, as the north, and lacked legitimacy of the people and the will to fight.

Iraq was a mistake, period, to get involved in. Soldiers who commited war crimes SHOULD be punished and held accountable for that, and their commanders as well.

It doesn't mean I have to shiat on the US military at any chance I get.


Your use of the word "mistake" implies that our leaders acted in good faith.

I, and many others, wholeheartedly disagree with that assessment. Bush and Cheney sold us the Iraq War on lies and even propped up a known con artist (Chalabi) as the "George Washington of Iraq". The US's entire invasion can accurately be labeled as criminal.

Right or wrong, people will continue to shiat all over the US military until the guilty parties are brought to justice. I think our soldiers, sailors, and marines are strong enough to handle the criticisms.
 
2013-02-03 01:35:51 AM  

It's Me Bender: HotWingAgenda: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I'm surprised you don't know that a lot of the "insurgents" in Iraq were from places like Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, etc.  Even some Iranian covert ops teams working to destabilize the new regime.

Oh look, this lie again.

Funny how Israel is never included in the list of countries that supposedly had kill teams in Iraq.


upload.wikimedia.org

June 8, 1967.

May this day live in infamy.
 
2013-02-03 01:36:03 AM  

scruffy1: This guy was a farking idiot and a clinical example of someone with antisocial personality disorder aka psychopath/sociopath. It's nice that he served his country and such but a person of his type has no place helping someone with brain trauma recover. You want to help out, sure why not, but do not put them in a situation that can trigger an episode and as this case shows results in tragic results.

The kid wants to fire a few rounds? Fine, take him to laser tag or a paint ball course. Give him an old NES light gun but don't hand him a live weapon. Make sure he has a few years of therapy, that he has some meds or some sort of coping system or put him in immersion therapy but give him a live weapon on an open range was just asking for trouble.

This guy was full of himself and he paid the price for it. How do I know? He wrote a book. God told him to do what he did. And most important of all, he enjoyed doing it.

And as a disclaimer this is not a troll. I work at a state hospital, I see kids and adults with TBI, PTSD, sociopaths and psychopaths and everything in between of all stripes and colors. And the latter of the bunch are worst and hardest to work with. And the only thing standing between them tearing my head off and me making it home after shift is making sure they take their meds, knowing how to talk  and deal with them and a hell of a of luck since most of these guys come from the prisons and are in far better shape than my potato sack ass and they have nothing better to do all day than work out and plot and plan.

/But I do have a great dental plan.


I can agree with this.

/The dental plans are great.
 
2013-02-03 01:36:14 AM  

freewill: taking risks and making sacrifices that nobody would fault you for not taking in order to achieve some outcome other than personal gain.


That's pretty much every service member, considering that most of society won't make any sacrifice for their country and it's ideals.

Liking what one does does not make it unheroic or mundane.

freewill: He didn't throw himself on a grenade or die trying to pull a kid out of a fire.


And?  Is that all that qualifies for "heroism" or alternatively "sacrifice" in your book?

Service members give up a lot of freedom right off the bat, as well as obtaining increased risk and stress.  A lot of civilians like to make it sound like the military is a cakewalk and no different than a "normal" job, but in reality that is a grossly ignorant perspective.

Down the line in their career, much of what is done is saving lives(ie "Evil" Dictator takes a bullet to the chest from a mile out, all his potential victims are that much safer, figuratively pulled out of the fire).
 
2013-02-03 01:36:50 AM  

GUTSU: nmemkha: ficklefkrfark:
Well put...people forget that that right or wrong, the rights we enjoy as Americans are served by people such as this...disagree or not with the mission, he served his country above and beyond the call of duty.

Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?

In Vietnam most of the people serving didn't actually have a say in the matter, as for how it made us safe? It necessary to stop the spread of communism, you may disagree but in the 60s it was a very real threat. As for iraq, which war are you specifically talking about?


Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.
 
2013-02-03 01:38:44 AM  

MisterTweak: KarmicDisaster: I think that this thread will hit 1000 posts. The only thing it has working against it is that it is late.

The only bet the bookies will take is the over/under on what time that happens. And I'll put my money on.... 2:35 EST.


i will take the under
 
2013-02-03 01:39:05 AM  
My condolences to his friends and family.

.

DIAF, trolls. Slowly.
 
2013-02-03 01:39:55 AM  
If that coont gave away the secret that the Canadians have TWO boats in their navy it's killing time
 
2013-02-03 01:39:59 AM  

Riothamus: Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.


No, Star Wars did that.
 
2013-02-03 01:40:47 AM  

Riothamus: Right or wrong, people will continue to shiat all over the US military until the guilty parties are brought to justice. I think our soldiers, sailors, and marines are strong enough to handle the criticisms.


I would hope so. We spend an obscene amount of money on our military, many times more than the next highest country. We can certainly afford some "man up, your not fighting for anything more than whats in your compensation package" training.

Unfortunately, playing on the well meaning jingoism of Middle American hayseeds is what supplies the meat for the grinder.
 
2013-02-03 01:41:10 AM  

Arumat: I can't really put a "hero" label on this guy.  He served honorably with distinction and courage, but the conflict he served in was a load of shiat.  Not every soldier is a hero.  Not every insurgent is a villain.  Granted, if I had to choose, I'd rather have a soldier hanging around than a Taliban fighter, but you can't paint either group in black and white.  There may be people with the virtue of a saint serving in uniform, but I've personally known quite a few absolutely vile service members as well.  On that same note, there might be some terrorists who are in it purely because they believe it's the best/only way to make a better life for themselves or their families, along with the ones mentioned up-thread with killboners for any American they can find.  The best thing we as a nation can do is educate ourselves, pick leaders who will look out for everyone's best interest, and beat the everloving shiat out of the ones who betray that trust.

/veteran, not a hero
//for me it was a job and a way out of my crappy home town


I like you.  I wish there were more like you.

/can't bring myself to volunteer for the current military
//unless we start recruiting suicide bombers
///imagine how surreal the TV recruitment ads for that would look like
 
2013-02-03 01:41:53 AM  

Lernaeus: My condolences to his friends and family.

.

DIAF, trolls. Slowly.


160 confirmed kills. Wrote a book about how God allowed him to kill so many people.

Truly an American hero.
 
2013-02-03 01:41:57 AM  
 
2013-02-03 01:42:11 AM  
Is this what it's like in the politics tab?
 
2013-02-03 01:42:43 AM  
Just getting here, how far does Brony have his head up his ass?
 
2013-02-03 01:42:50 AM  

Riothamus: BronyMedic: nmemkha: Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?

Vietnam was a product of the cold war phillosophies of the United States. The problem was that the South Koreans were just as bad, as a Government, as the north, and lacked legitimacy of the people and the will to fight.

Iraq was a mistake, period, to get involved in. Soldiers who commited war crimes SHOULD be punished and held accountable for that, and their commanders as well.

It doesn't mean I have to shiat on the US military at any chance I get.

Your use of the word "mistake" implies that our leaders acted in good faith.

I, and many others, wholeheartedly disagree with that assessment. Bush and Cheney sold us the Iraq War on lies and even propped up a known con artist (Chalabi) as the "George Washington of Iraq". The US's entire invasion can accurately be labeled as criminal.

Right or wrong, people will continue to shiat all over the US military until the guilty parties are brought to justice. I think our soldiers, sailors, and marines are strong enough to handle the criticisms.


www.aim.org
Its time to look forward, not back.
 
2013-02-03 01:42:52 AM  
GUTSU: nmemkha: ficklefkrfark:
Well put...people forget that that right or wrong, the rights we enjoy as Americans are served by people such as this...disagree or not with the mission, he served his country above and beyond the call of duty.

Bullshiat. Doing your job competently makes you a employee worth keeping. How did Vietnam and Iraq make us safe? How specifically?

In Vietnam most of the people serving didn't actually have a say in the matter, as for how it made us safe? It necessary to stop the spread of communism, you may disagree but in the 60s it was a very real threat. As for iraq, which war are you specifically talking about?


• In Vietnam, there was a school of thought which said, "If we don't fight them over there, we'll be fighting them here on the beaches of Santa Monica."

• It was a reflection of the complete ignorance of the military and political class on the nature of the fighting in Vietnam, specifically guerilla warfare. It led to idiocies like Hamburger Hill, trying to take and hold ground, as in WWII. Hamburger hill was a pissing contest over a hill with no strategic value, which led to scores of American casualties.

nmemkha: We failed in Vietnam and the world did not end. Was it worth all the death?

Does doing a dangerous and unpleasant job for the benefit of others make you are hero? Male prostitutes meet that criteria. (at least to their Johns).
Are they heroes?


• As far as male prostitutes go, they're typically not in lethal danger, whereas a sniper frequently is.
 
2013-02-03 01:44:06 AM  

scruffy1: This guy was a farking idiot and a clinical example of someone with antisocial personality disorder aka psychopath/sociopath.


Oh, he was a sociopath alright.  The interview I heard with him made that absolutely clear.  Because he was a sociopath, sniping may have been no harder for him than the work his fellow soldiers were doing.

He did his duty, no question.  Everyone who went over there and risked their lives deserves a medal.  It was a pointless war, but the blame for that goes to Bush and Cheney, not the soldiers who fought it.  Still, does killing that many without losing his mind make him a "hero"?   It makes him a very effective killing machine, but hero?
 
2013-02-03 01:45:01 AM  

WhoIsPurpleGoo: regardless of what you think about chris kyle or the wars he participated in, the reality is that he was working with ptsd veterans and one turned on him.  you don't need to think of him as a hero to understand that this is incredibly sad.



Yeah, that was the first thing that popped out at me from reading the article.  When therapy fails a patient there's always a chance he'll turn on the therapist - even if the "therapist" is an informal one.
 
2013-02-03 01:45:03 AM  
He was a sniper not a quickdraw.
 
2013-02-03 01:45:36 AM  
JungleBoogie:

• As far as male prostitutes go, they're typically not in lethal danger, whereas a sniper frequently is.

Ever hear of AIDS or Hepatitis C? Personally, I would choose being a solider over sucking cocks, but YMMV.
 
2013-02-03 01:45:57 AM  

BronyMedic: Riothamus: Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.

No, Star Wars did that.


?

Normally I have this dude on ignore, but did I just get Poe's Law-ed?

Communist forces completely overran Vietnam and Vietnam is still a single-party state. Communism very successfully spread throughout the entire country!
This is basic reading comprehension!
 
2013-02-03 01:46:12 AM  

Lunger42: Is this what it's like in the politics tab?


Yes. Pray for Omarion.
 
2013-02-03 01:46:15 AM  

Frank N Stein: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BronyMedic: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

They're ignoring your trolling. It's pretty fail, bro.

It's not trolling. It's an honest request. But apparently, I'm correct in my assertion that nobody can actually back up such claims.............bro.

He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?


So did the Marine that put him down. He a hero too?
 
2013-02-03 01:46:20 AM  

TommyymmoT: Phoenix_M: [www.theblaze.com image 566x262]
Any friend off Sarah Palin is dead to me...

You follow Palin on Twitter?
I hope you at least wash your hands afterward.


No, I grabbed it from Glen Beck's site but I still need to wash my hands.
 
2013-02-03 01:46:47 AM  

Frank N Stein: Slartibartfaster: Frank N Stein: He's a hero because he went to a foreign land, put himself in extreme danger and extreme discomfort, to kill a bunch of people as commanded by the people you put in charge. Satisfactory answer?

How does that differ from a bad guy ?

Because he's on our team, and in my opinion our team is more virtuous than their team.


works for me too

// one way ticket to beijing please, my team sucks
 
2013-02-03 01:47:27 AM  
What happened to the days of posting pictures of dead people was cause for bannination?
 
2013-02-03 01:49:12 AM  

Riothamus: . Communism very successfully spread throughout the entire country!
This is basic reading comprehension!


The point of the Domino Theory wasn't that it would stop at the South Vietnamese border
 
2013-02-03 01:49:32 AM  
JungleBoogie:

• As far as male prostitutes go, they're typically not in lethal danger, whereas a sniper frequently is.

I an certain beyond the shadow of a doubt that male prostitutes are killed more often than US snipers are.
 
2013-02-03 01:50:00 AM  

Lunger42: Is this what it's like in the politics tab?


Yep. I switched off my ignore list for this thread. It tripled the posts.
 
2013-02-03 01:52:27 AM  
One less deranged fundamentalist terrorizing the Iraq.
 
2013-02-03 01:52:27 AM  

Riothamus: Lunger42: Is this what it's like in the politics tab?

Yep. I switched off my ignore list for this thread. It tripled the posts.


I use threads like this to populate my ignore list since I don't frequent the politics tab.
 
2013-02-03 01:52:37 AM  

Riothamus: Lunger42: Is this what it's like in the politics tab?

Yep. I switched off my ignore list for this thread. It tripled the posts.


Oh god, I'm afraid to even try this. This thread is already a derpmine with all my ignore list still active.
 
2013-02-03 01:52:44 AM  
JungleBoogie:

• As far as male prostitutes go, they're typically not in lethal danger, whereas a sniper frequently is.

nmemkha: Ever hear of AIDS or Hepatitis C? Personally, I would choose being a solider over sucking cocks, but YMMV.


The condom mitigates that threat.

But, yes, most would choose being thrust into combat rather than being a male prostitute because of the following:

"At the bottom of a good deal of the bravery that appears in the world there lurks a miserable cowardice. Men will face powder and steel because they cannot face public opinion." -Edwin Hubbel Chapin, minister and orator (1814-1880)
 
2013-02-03 01:53:04 AM  

Karne: He's going to have a whole bunch of pissed off ghosts waiting to greet him in the after world. Nobody likes a camper.


No, he killed Muslims who are now in hell.
 
2013-02-03 01:53:27 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-03 01:54:05 AM  
Huh, Karma`s for real.
 
2013-02-03 01:56:02 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Riothamus: . Communism very successfully spread throughout the entire country!
This is basic reading comprehension!

The point of the Domino Theory wasn't that it would stop at the South Vietnamese border


Brony posited that Star Wars stopped the spread of Communism in Vietnam. No matter what you think of the cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union (stagnant economy, gradual relaxation of civil control, Afghanistan, Solidarity, Gorbachev's good intentions, etc.), it is ABSURD to think that the adoption of a completely unworkable scifi scheme somehow stopped the spread of Communism in a country that had already been run by Communists for a decade.
 
2013-02-03 01:56:17 AM  

CatherineM: I saw this news on facebook along with plenty of derp, so I had to come here and.. yeah, I don't know what I was expecting. It got really weird really quick. Saw the below on a friend's page.. at least spell check, fer chrissake..


Go. Hunt. Kill Skuls.

/obscure
 
2013-02-03 01:57:23 AM  

The_Sponge: By killing terrorists and doing more with his life than you ever will with yours.


Last time I checked the number of Iraq or Iranian terrorists causing trouble here in the US... zero. nadda, buttkiski.
 
2013-02-03 01:57:36 AM  

ace in your face: He was a sniper not a quickdraw.

 
2013-02-03 01:58:38 AM  
That is the most devastatingly handsome assassin I have seen in a swans age.
 
2013-02-03 01:58:48 AM  
1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-02-03 01:59:10 AM  

Riothamus: BronyMedic: Riothamus: Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.

No, Star Wars did that.

?

Normally I have this dude on ignore, but did I just get Poe's Law-ed?

Communist forces completely overran Vietnam and Vietnam is still a single-party state. Communism very successfully spread throughout the entire country!
This is basic reading comprehension!


You completely, entirely misread what I said, and you're lecturing me on reading comprehension?

Vietnam was a MILITARY victory for the United States. At the time of the pullout, we had accomplished our military objectives in that conflict. However, we had also propped up a corrupt, puppet regieme which had NO legitimacy among it's people, was just as brutal as the North, and which had no will to fight for it's own existance because the Americans had done it for so long.

Star Wars, and weapons research funding killed communism as a whole across the World as the great evil. The United States, and it's allies, could afford to outspend the Soviet Union and did so gleefully.
 
2013-02-03 01:59:29 AM  

Treygreen13: Riothamus: Lunger42: Is this what it's like in the politics tab?

Yep. I switched off my ignore list for this thread. It tripled the posts.

Oh god, I'm afraid to even try this. This thread is already a derpmine with all my ignore list still active.


Lemme just say that nobody's gotten himself of the list.
 
2013-02-03 01:59:53 AM  

ace in your face: He was a sniper not a quickdraw.


oi46.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-03 02:00:36 AM  

CatherineM: Red Shirt Blues: CatherineM: I had no idea that fark was this entertaining so late at night..

You need to stay up more often. And it's only midnight your time. Come back in a few hours when things get totally bizzaro.

I saw this news on facebook along with plenty of derp, so I had to come here and.. yeah, I don't know what I was expecting. It got really weird really quick. Saw the below on a friend's page.. at least spell check, fer chrissake..

[i59.photobucket.com image 850x362]



And operate the spell checker with the knowledge that it'll let Seal get through its defenses even though it's spelled SEAL...
 
2013-02-03 02:02:43 AM  

JungleBoogie: JungleBoogie:

• As far as male prostitutes go, they're typically not in lethal danger, whereas a sniper frequently is.

nmemkha: Ever hear of AIDS or Hepatitis C? Personally, I would choose being a solider over sucking cocks, but YMMV.

The condom mitigates that threat.

But, yes, most would choose being thrust into combat rather than being a male prostitute because of the following:

"At the bottom of a good deal of the bravery that appears in the world there lurks a miserable cowardice. Men will face powder and steel because they cannot face public opinion." -Edwin Hubbel Chapin, minister and orator (1814-1880)


I would say a man forced to sell himself to feed his family is much more noble than a solider fighting for jingoistic "payback".

Plenty of "heroes" serve and never see combat or even leave the country. Someone has to clean the latrines. There is nothing inherently heroic about serving in the modern American military. We haven't had to defend our shores since WII. 9/11 (the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor) happened despite all the money we waste.

Who/what are these men dying for? Its not protecting Hearth and Home.
 
2013-02-03 02:05:10 AM  

BronyMedic: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

Wow, that's stupid. Even for you.


Are we sure about that? Seems par for the course.
 
2013-02-03 02:05:41 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.


I'm assuming you think that no soldiers are heroes? I need to know this before I answer your question.

And by no soldiers, I mean any soldiers; in any war, at any time. Because by your definition above, all wars our soldiers have fought in have been invasions and the people shooting at them have merely been defending their homes.
 
2013-02-03 02:06:14 AM  

JungleBoogie: Look people, ALL actions are viewed FROM a perspective and WITHIN a context.

1) The nuclear bombing of Japan.
2) The Arab-Israeli conflict.
3) Taliban-American war in Afghanistan.

There are actors on all of the sides in the above examples. Those actors have a perspective from which they view actions, and a mental context, which are the experiences and information they have.

And never the twain shall meet.

An American Marine, in an amphibious assault unit, waiting for the invasion of mainland Japan had a perspective on the nuclear bombing. So did a Japanese military man. An American civilian and Japanese civilians did too. And they had their own contexts as well through which the information was filtered. And they will never be reconciled.


Thank you! About time someone dropped a logic grenade up in here.
 
2013-02-03 02:06:19 AM  
Riothamus: Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.

BronyMedic: No, Star Wars did that.

Riothamus: ?

Normally I have this dude on ignore, but did I just get Poe's Law-ed?

Communist forces completely overran Vietnam and Vietnam is still a single-party state. Communism very successfully spread throughout the entire country!

This is basic reading comprehension!

BronyMedic: You completely, entirely misread what I said, and you're lecturing me on reading comprehension?

Vietnam was a MILITARY victory for the United States. At the time of the pullout, we had accomplished our military objectives in that conflict.



Fleeing the country was America's military objective in Vietnam?
 
2013-02-03 02:07:12 AM  

Gyrfalcon: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

I'm assuming you think that no soldiers are heroes? I need to know this before I answer your question.

And by no soldiers, I mean any soldiers; in any war, at any time. Because by your definition above, all wars our soldiers have fought in have been invasions and the people shooting at them have merely been defending their homes.


I think yo may be starting to understand his point.
 
2013-02-03 02:07:16 AM  

BronyMedic: wademh: BronyMedic: drayno76: Well shiat, you did that on page 1. Cap't 'Murica....

I'm not the one revising history to suit his agenda. I'm pretty anti-war in general, and I've been against getting involved in Iraq since day one, but to pull a comparison to Nazi Germany out of your ass with the United States demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about in the least, and only want to compare the two for an emotional appeal.

Call me when the United States Army is marching into Prague and rounding up everyone by their ethnicity to shoot and gas.

Logic remains logic. You, BronyMedic, are the one giving a pass to anyone who is serving in the US military. You show no sense of qualification in your admiration for anyone who does so. You were presented with the logical extension. It is apparent that you have no honest response and have been exposed.

You're absolutely right. Clearly what you read by logical extension means I support and honor soldiers who violate the code set forth by the Geneva and the Hague conventions, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and the ethos and honor of their respective branch.

Despite never stating any of that.

Logic.(-al fallacies!) It makes you Psychic!


Sorry child, but you need a lesson in logic. You do not get to add things to what I said, certainly not to claim it was what I was saying.
You made a very blanket claim early on

The constraints you cite were crafted in response (in large part) to the Nazi's in a post-hoc itemization of approved military morality. As recent history shows, lawyers are fully capable of twisting these to justify torture. Sorry but just because some action is deemed permissible by somebody's interpretation of the rules of the game does not make such action in the service of ones country "heroic".  I cut young soldiers a great deal of slack. They are young. Often they are naive. They are locked into a culture that lends itself to a suspension of nominally moral behavior. It becomes easy to do the wrong thing for what appears to be the right reasons. But there's a world of difference between cutting somebody some slack and anointing them as heroes. Moreover, and to the critical point, blanket and unquestioning praise of any and all who act according to orders promotes the very sort of blind obedience that fosters abuse. There is nothing heroic about parking your brain and following orders in an unquestioning manner. I am caution about condemning those who do so. But it is a unquestionably a gross mistake to uniformly praise people for it.
 
2013-02-03 02:07:26 AM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: What happened to the days of posting pictures of dead people was cause for bannination?


img36.imageshack.us
oh wait.......he's dead too, crap.
 
2013-02-03 02:11:24 AM  
Haha,Very Drab Ret. USN
 
2013-02-03 02:12:04 AM  
Under our laws the shiat head and the hero get the same rights
 
2013-02-03 02:12:09 AM  

JungleBoogie: Riothamus: Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.

BronyMedic: No, Star Wars did that.

Riothamus: ?

Normally I have this dude on ignore, but did I just get Poe's Law-ed?

Communist forces completely overran Vietnam and Vietnam is still a single-party state. Communism very successfully spread throughout the entire country!

This is basic reading comprehension!

BronyMedic: You completely, entirely misread what I said, and you're lecturing me on reading comprehension?

Vietnam was a MILITARY victory for the United States. At the time of the pullout, we had accomplished our military objectives in that conflict.


Fleeing the country was America's military objective in Vietnam?


Reading is hard isn't it?
 
2013-02-03 02:12:09 AM  
dougernst.files.wordpress.com
how did they know?
 
2013-02-03 02:12:55 AM  

Mrbogey: sheep snorter: Back in Saint Reagans day, these people were the heroes.

[i.imgur.com image 485x237]

Don't you ever do basic research before posting internet memes? The Taliban weren't around in the 80s and most of those men in the room weren't part of it when it was created.



The original photo is from around 1984. It appeared in the NYT. The photo lists the names of the people meeting with Reagan which could easily be googled but it wouldn't fit the agenda of the person who made the photo trying to tie Reagan to the Taliban.

One of the people in the photo is Ahmad Shah Massaud one of the founders of the Muj. He was ordered assassinated by UBL. The assassination took place Septembet 8th 2001.  The Northern Alliance was fighting the Taliban long before September 11th. UBL saw Massaud as a threat since Massaud was allied with the US. One of the other guys is Burhanuddin Rabbani another founder of the Muj. He survived various assassination attempts by the Taliban in the years before 9-11. They finally murdered him in 2011 via suicide bomber.The third whos name escapes me was also an ally of the US but he died of natural causes, very rare for an Afghan who spent his entire life fighting the Soviets and then the Taliban.

oh and thanks :)
 
2013-02-03 02:13:24 AM  
You know, you can hate everything our military does and despise the abuse of power from our government, and still not feel the need to spend your minutes angrily championing a soldier's death in a homicide.

/RIP psychopathic American soldier. Thanks for not killing random Americans for no reason.
 
2013-02-03 02:13:48 AM  

RandomRandom: Being imbued with sociopathy made it a lot easier for him do that job. A job that most humans with standard mental wiring would find difficult, maybe even impossible, may have been no more difficult to him than shooting vermin. Does that make him a "hero"?

/Being a sociopath doesn't mean he wasn't a hero, but it doesn't mean he was a hero either. He served his country, absolutely, no question. So have countless others. Does it make him a hero? ehhhhhhh


His being a sociopath means basically I don't care about him, at all.  why would I care? He didn't.
 
2013-02-03 02:13:59 AM  
 
2013-02-03 02:16:12 AM  

Gyrfalcon: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

I'm assuming you think that no soldiers are heroes? I need to know this before I answer your question.

And by no soldiers, I mean any soldiers; in any war, at any time. Because by your definition above, all wars our soldiers have fought in have been invasions and the people shooting at them have merely been defending their homes.


Don't bother. He is just playing the classic troll of staying on the offensive and forcing repeated defining of terms that he can goalpost shift around.

He has dodged plenty of valid responses in this thread.
 
HBK
2013-02-03 02:17:06 AM  

CatherineM: I had no idea that fark was this entertaining so late at night..


Yeah, Fark's got a lot of pudgy shortdicks who would never serve in the military because they have asthma or something.
 
2013-02-03 02:18:00 AM  

Sinbox: SFW


What the holy farking hell am I looking for in all... THAT?!
 
2013-02-03 02:18:25 AM  

RandomRandom: scruffy1: This guy was a farking idiot and a clinical example of someone with antisocial personality disorder aka psychopath/sociopath.

Oh, he was a sociopath alright.  The interview I heard with him made that absolutely clear.  Because he was a sociopath, sniping may have been no harder for him than the work his fellow soldiers were doing.

He did his duty, no question.  Everyone who went over there and risked their lives deserves a medal.  It was a pointless war, but the blame for that goes to Bush and Cheney, not the soldiers who fought it.  Still, does killing that many without losing his mind make him a "hero"?   It makes him a very effective killing machine, but hero?


More Cheney than Bush, probably.

/ Bush=Jar Jar Binks
// Cheney= Chancellor Palpatine
 
2013-02-03 02:18:29 AM  

Smackledorfer: He has dodged plenty of valid responses in this thread.


That seems to be a running trend in this thread.
 
2013-02-03 02:19:26 AM  

wademh: BronyMedic: wademh: BronyMedic: drayno76: Well shiat, you did that on page 1. Cap't 'Murica....

I'm not the one revising history to suit his agenda. I'm pretty anti-war in general, and I've been against getting involved in Iraq since day one, but to pull a comparison to Nazi Germany out of your ass with the United States demonstrates you have no idea what you're talking about in the least, and only want to compare the two for an emotional appeal.

Call me when the United States Army is marching into Prague and rounding up everyone by their ethnicity to shoot and gas.

Logic remains logic. You, BronyMedic, are the one giving a pass to anyone who is serving in the US military. You show no sense of qualification in your admiration for anyone who does so. You were presented with the logical extension. It is apparent that you have no honest response and have been exposed.

You're absolutely right. Clearly what you read by logical extension means I support and honor soldiers who violate the code set forth by the Geneva and the Hague conventions, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and the ethos and honor of their respective branch.

Despite never stating any of that.

Logic.(-al fallacies!) It makes you Psychic!

Sorry child, but you need a lesson in logic. You do not get to add things to what I said, certainly not to claim it was what I was saying.
You made a very blanket claim early on

The constraints you cite were crafted in response (in large part) to the Nazi's in a post-hoc itemization of approved military morality. As recent history shows, lawyers are fully capable of twisting these to justify torture. Sorry but just because some action is deemed permissible by somebody's interpretation of the rules of the game does not make such action in the service of ones country "heroic".  I cut young soldiers a great deal of slack. They are young. Often they are naive. They are locked into a culture that lends itself to a suspension of nominally moral behavior. It becomes ...


Really man, it's not worth the effort.  He's obviously got an inclination to 'honor' this government created sociopath who got killed by another government sociopath and then wants to defend the country that made both these broken individuals.  As I understand him, suspending humanity, morality, and rationality are all honorable as long as it is done under government orders, I mean, US Government orders. He's also very anti-war. Don't you dare throw real, unfiltered history where we American's have done abysmal things advancing our economic and global power games since the founding of this country. In his mind everything we've done is right and probably involved some heroes as well.

Gave up a page or so back.
 
2013-02-03 02:19:46 AM  
reap what you sow
 
2013-02-03 02:21:15 AM  
We the People choose our government and control it.
The government chooses to wage wars.
Volunteers fight in the wars our government chooses.
Sometimes the wars make the volunteers crazy.
Crazy people kill other people.
So, this is something we've done to ourselves.
 
2013-02-03 02:21:41 AM  

BronyMedic: Riothamus: BronyMedic: Riothamus: Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.

No, Star Wars did that.

?

Normally I have this dude on ignore, but did I just get Poe's Law-ed?

Communist forces completely overran Vietnam and Vietnam is still a single-party state. Communism very successfully spread throughout the entire country!
This is basic reading comprehension!

You completely, entirely misread what I said, and you're lecturing me on reading comprehension?

Vietnam was a MILITARY victory for the United States. At the time of the pullout, we had accomplished our military objectives in that conflict. However, we had also propped up a corrupt, puppet regieme which had NO legitimacy among it's people, was just as brutal as the North, and which had no will to fight for it's own existance because the Americans had done it for so long.

Star Wars, and weapons research funding killed communism as a whole across the World as the great evil. The United States, and it's allies, could afford to outspend the Soviet Union and did so gleefully.


No, I construed your words EXACTLY AS THEY APPEARED.

BronyMedic: Riothamus: Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.

No, Star Wars did that.


Yeah, you misread what I said. Reading comprehension.

And just how in the hell did the US accomplish a military victory in Vietnam? I know our boys weren't necessarily beaten in the field, but we wasted nearly a decade, God only knows how much money, and 58,000 American lives only to let our sworn enemies achieve their primary objective. Namely, complete control over Vietnam.

And the Soviet high command knew that Star Wars was a load of bullshiat. They already had multiple-warhead ICBMs that could beat the system and they knew the numbers were on their side. shiat, they only had 45,000 warheads in 1985. Assuming that 10% of them were deliverable via ICBM (a complete random guess, probably lowballing here), a missile defense system with even a 90% kill rate (incredibly optimistic when you're talking about the technical challenges TODAY, let alone 30 years ago) would still result in 450 nuclear detonations on US soil. And that would be the very best-case scenario. On average, that's 9 mushroom clouds per state. We weren't risking nuclear war and they knew it.

Instead, one man's conscience and desire for peace brought down the Soviet Empire from within. When Mikhail Gorbachev took power, he saw two choices. He could either crack down on his people a la Prague Spring and Budapest 1956, or he could liberalize the Eastern Bloc and permit some freedoms. Once he broke the state's terrifying mystique, there was no turning back.

If not for Gorby, the Soviet Union easily could have lasted another 20+ years as a stagnant and poor police state.
 
2013-02-03 02:21:42 AM  

Giltric: Mrbogey: sheep snorter: Back in Saint Reagans day, these people were the heroes.

[i.imgur.com image 485x237]

Don't you ever do basic research before posting internet memes? The Taliban weren't around in the 80s and most of those men in the room weren't part of it when it was created.


The original photo is from around 1984. It appeared in the NYT. The photo lists the names of the people meeting with Reagan which could easily be googled but it wouldn't fit the agenda of the person who made the photo trying to tie Reagan to the Taliban.

One of the people in the photo is Ahmad Shah Massaud one of the founders of the Muj. He was ordered assassinated by UBL. The assassination took place Septembet 8th 2001.  The Northern Alliance was fighting the Taliban long before September 11th. UBL saw Massaud as a threat since Massaud was allied with the US. One of the other guys is Burhanuddin Rabbani another founder of the Muj. He survived various assassination attempts by the Taliban in the years before 9-11. They finally murdered him in 2011 via suicide bomber.The third whos name escapes me was also an ally of the US but he died of natural causes, very rare for an Afghan who spent his entire life fighting the Soviets and then the Taliban.

oh and thanks :)


Good post. You're welcome.
 
2013-02-03 02:21:45 AM  

wademh:  ...blanket and unquestioning praise of any and all who act according to orders promotes the very sort of blind obedience that fosters abuse. There is nothing heroic about parking your brain and following orders in an unquestioning manner. I am caution about condemning those who do so. But it is a unquestionably a gross mistake to uniformly praise people for it

.

This.

 
2013-02-03 02:21:51 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: so we put the blame it on  post traumatic stress syndrome?

he wasn't just a piece of shiat?


He was a hero, according to the bootlickers in this thread.
 
2013-02-03 02:22:18 AM  
I can't tell if people are gleeful someone else was shot in order to further the gun control agenda or if they are gleeful that a soldier was shot. I guess they can also be both.

DNRTT  but talk amongst the spec ops community is that the murderer was sponsored by Chris' charity and his guest at the range.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Guess I won't be taking that course with Chris.
Fair winds and a following sea.
 
2013-02-03 02:22:18 AM  

HempHead: medicolegal.tripod.com


That`s exactly what I came here to post. Except in words not as an image.
 
2013-02-03 02:23:27 AM  

nmemkha: The_Sponge: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Seconded.

How are his actions Heroic? How has any war after W II been worth the lives it destroyed? Our soldiers aren't defending anything but a  mercenary's paycheck paid by the blood of the The People on behalf of corporate interests.


Their actions ARE heroic which in turn makes them heroes. You think the 18 or 25 yr old being shot at in some foxhole in some god forsaken country really has time to think of all the things you just wrote about?
On an individual level, the soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq or anywhere else for that matter is no different than his grandfather serving in Bastogne or Iwo Jima.
I do see your points however the politics of war should never be used in determining or judging the actions of an individual soldier in the battlefield.
 
2013-02-03 02:23:36 AM  
I read this guy's book.   It was the biggest compendium of "cool story, bro" stuff I've ever seen.   Most military people who have seen "real shiat", particularly ones operating on the level of SEAL, checked their egos at the door.  "The Quiet Professionals" is the motto of the Green Berets for a reason.   It extends to other Tier 1 operators, but this guy didn't really get it I guess.

Sucks dude got popped, but shiat happens, and we can stop talking bout how amazing he was anytime now.
 
2013-02-03 02:24:51 AM  

drayno76: Really man, it's not worth the effort. He's obviously got an inclination to 'honor' this government created sociopath who got killed by another government sociopath and then wants to defend the country that made both these broken individuals.


Oh shut up, you disingenious hack. I can honor the soldiers of the United States who uphold the code of their Oath, follow lawful orders and refuse to follow unlawful ones, adhere to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and generally conduct themselves with integrity and honor as a soldier.

drayno76: As I understand him, suspending humanity, morality, and rationality are all honorable as long as it is done under government orders, I mean, US Government orders


And where did I ever say any of that? Where did I champion dishonorable soldiers? Please quote where I have said that.

drayno76: He's also very anti-war. Don't you dare throw real, unfiltered history where we American's have done abysmal things advancing our economic and global power games since the founding of this country.


Please quote where I've championed people who have commited war crimes or atrocities?

drayno76: In his mind everything we've done is right and probably involved some heroes as well.


You're really not looking like you're going to be winning the James Randi psychic prize anytime soon.
 
2013-02-03 02:24:58 AM  

RacySmurff: wademh:  ...blanket and unquestioning praise of any and all who act according to orders promotes the very sort of blind obedience that fosters abuse. There is nothing heroic about parking your brain and following orders in an unquestioning manner. I am caution about condemning those who do so. But it is a unquestionably a gross mistake to uniformly praise people for it.This.


Do I know anything about Chris Kyle? No. Could he have been a hero? Sure, maybe even likely was. But we definitely need to be careful about what values we honor and why we call someone heroic. Just following orders and killing a bunch of people does not a hero make: in and of itself...
 
2013-02-03 02:24:58 AM  

Gyrfalcon: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

I'm assuming you think that no soldiers are heroes? I need to know this before I answer your question.

And by no soldiers, I mean any soldiers; in any war, at any time. Because by your definition above, all wars our soldiers have fought in have been invasions and the people shooting at them have merely been defending their homes.


I wonder how you came to that conclusion? It seems like a classic black-and-white fallacy.
The operative question is, what specifically, makes a sniper a hero. Or was it his supposedly high kill count that makes him a hero? Was it a specific mission that he volunteered for where his life was placed in grave danger so that he could save his fellow soldiers from imminent harm? The problem, as I read it, is that some want to declare him to be a hero for generic service.

Is a pilot who flew relatively safe missions a hero if they had a high rate of casualties for the bombs they dropped or is it the pilot who took a special risk to save their fellow soldiers that is the hero. I just don't see where you get to "no soldiers" if this particular sniper fails to qualify as a hero.
 
2013-02-03 02:25:49 AM  
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2013-02-03 02:26:23 AM  
Maybe that'll teach him to tell lies about Jesse Ventura.
 
2013-02-03 02:26:25 AM  

crabsno termites: Mock26: Abox: wademh: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero

I'm not clear on what makes a sniper a hero.

The chef in the mess hall.

"What," not "who."

Clearly you've never been in a mess hall - What is the proper term.


Actually, the meals at the 2nd Battalion mess hall at Parris Island were pretty good.
 
2013-02-03 02:27:25 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: nmemkha: The_Sponge: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Seconded.

How are his actions Heroic? How has any war after W II been worth the lives it destroyed? Our soldiers aren't defending anything but a  mercenary's paycheck paid by the blood of the The People on behalf of corporate interests.

Their actions ARE heroic which in turn makes them heroes. You think the 18 or 25 yr old being shot at in some foxhole in some god forsaken country really has time to think of all the things you just wrote about?
On an individual level, the soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq or anywhere else for that matter is no different than his grandfather serving in Bastogne or Iwo Jima.
I do see your points however the politics of war should never be used in determining or judging the actions of an individual soldier in the battlefield.


I disagree, but respect your opinion. Threaten my home and I will die for my country. But, I believe there is nothing noble in acting as pawn for corporations and other "interests" that line the pockets of those who send our children to die.
 
2013-02-03 02:27:58 AM  
Well... technically, this worked as intended.

Extreme bad ass probably talked shiat due to his badass aura, got shut down by less of a bad ass just the same.

The equalizing power of guns is amazing.

/Only dwarfed by the stupidity of what probably set off this argument
 
2013-02-03 02:28:21 AM  
Glass. Parking. Lot.
 
2013-02-03 02:28:52 AM  

Smackledorfer: Gyrfalcon: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still waiting on the two bleeding-hearts who called him a hero. Explain how he was a hero.

I'm assuming you think that no soldiers are heroes? I need to know this before I answer your question.

And by no soldiers, I mean any soldiers; in any war, at any time. Because by your definition above, all wars our soldiers have fought in have been invasions and the people shooting at them have merely been defending their homes.

Don't bother. He is just playing the classic troll of staying on the offensive and forcing repeated defining of terms that he can goalpost shift around.

He has dodged plenty of valid responses in this thread.


Probably, but people like that piss the hell out of me. Especially knowing that he's probably all of 19 and would be the first against the wall in a real shooting war.

I hate people who think war is morally as black and white as a game of chess. And who sit in America and pretend like they're not reaping the rewards of a morally ambiguous world.
 
2013-02-03 02:30:01 AM  

redmid17: JungleBoogie: Riothamus: Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.

BronyMedic: No, Star Wars did that.

Riothamus: ?

Normally I have this dude on ignore, but did I just get Poe's Law-ed?

Communist forces completely overran Vietnam and Vietnam is still a single-party state. Communism very successfully spread throughout the entire country!

This is basic reading comprehension!

BronyMedic: You completely, entirely misread what I said, and you're lecturing me on reading comprehension?

Vietnam was a MILITARY victory for the United States. At the time of the pullout, we had accomplished our military objectives in that conflict.


Fleeing the country was America's military objective in Vietnam?

Reading is hard isn't it?


As President Johnson said, "Our objective is the independence of South Vietnam and its freedom from attack. We will do everything necessary to reach that objective, and we will do only what is absolutely necessary. "

One out of two is not bad, right?  After all, South Vietnam is currently free from attack!
 
2013-02-03 02:30:17 AM  
In my wildest dreams, the person who perished whilst trying to counsel on PTSD would have been Nadal Hasan.
 
2013-02-03 02:32:23 AM  

TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


And DIAF, also

/fark you, you cocks
 
2013-02-03 02:34:44 AM  
http://www.thecraft.com/AboutUs.html

And now back to your regularly scheduled shiatstorm.
 
2013-02-03 02:35:11 AM  

RacySmurff: Man, I love threads like this.

Really gives you a good look at both the old-school and new/emerging trolls. I don't ever block people (why would I block the people whose stupidity and animosity toward their fellow human beings is so amusing)--but if I did--it's threads like this one that would allow me to really fill up my list.

The entertainment I get from the fact that there is a large segment of human detritus that can so eloquently bait really smart people into turning into blithering idiots is nearly impossible to find outside of high schools and mental asylums.

Keep up the good work, Farkers, I love your acerbic turd-flinging. It's better than a monkey-sh*t fight at the zoo.


Thank you for eloquently expressing the exact reason I visit fark threads. Sometimes it`s fun to throw poop as well.
 
2013-02-03 02:35:44 AM  

TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


General Smedley Butler laughs at your complete ignorance from his grave.
 
2013-02-03 02:36:13 AM  
Mental illness caused by our culture of war.

We'll be seeing more of this, we've f*cked up a lot of people in the last 10 or so years.
 
2013-02-03 02:37:04 AM  

dready zim: RacySmurff: Man, I love threads like this.

Really gives you a good look at both the old-school and new/emerging trolls. I don't ever block people (why would I block the people whose stupidity and animosity toward their fellow human beings is so amusing)--but if I did--it's threads like this one that would allow me to really fill up my list.

The entertainment I get from the fact that there is a large segment of human detritus that can so eloquently bait really smart people into turning into blithering idiots is nearly impossible to find outside of high schools and mental asylums.

Keep up the good work, Farkers, I love your acerbic turd-flinging. It's better than a monkey-sh*t fight at the zoo.

Thank you for eloquently expressing the exact reason I visit fark threads. Sometimes it`s fun to throw poop as well.


Shut your face, you malodorous pervert! :)
 
2013-02-03 02:37:05 AM  

over_and_done: Arumat: I can't really put a "hero" label on this guy.  He served honorably with distinction and courage, but the conflict he served in was a load of shiat.  Not every soldier is a hero.  Not every insurgent is a villain.  Granted, if I had to choose, I'd rather have a soldier hanging around than a Taliban fighter, but you can't paint either group in black and white.  There may be people with the virtue of a saint serving in uniform, but I've personally known quite a few absolutely vile service members as well.  On that same note, there might be some terrorists who are in it purely because they believe it's the best/only way to make a better life for themselves or their families, along with the ones mentioned up-thread with killboners for any American they can find.  The best thing we as a nation can do is educate ourselves, pick leaders who will look out for everyone's best interest, and beat the everloving shiat out of the ones who betray that trust.

/veteran, not a hero
//for me it was a job and a way out of my crappy home town

I like you.  I wish there were more like you.

/can't bring myself to volunteer for the current military
//unless we start recruiting suicide bombers
///imagine how surreal the TV recruitment ads for that would look like


I served with a few others who had similar opinions.  We were, unfortunately, deeply in the minority.  I can't speak for the entire armed forces, but the people I came in contact with were a mix of people who were apathetic to the morality of what they were doing, some who straight up told me they'd only vote Republican because they'd be more likely to give them a pay raise, "God, guns, and country" types, and a few who agreed with us but somehow thought they could change the military from the inside.
 
2013-02-03 02:38:25 AM  

Mock26: redmid17: JungleBoogie: Riothamus: Umm, the Vietnam War very clearly did not stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.

BronyMedic: No, Star Wars did that.

Riothamus: ?

Normally I have this dude on ignore, but did I just get Poe's Law-ed?

Communist forces completely overran Vietnam and Vietnam is still a single-party state. Communism very successfully spread throughout the entire country!

This is basic reading comprehension!

BronyMedic: You completely, entirely misread what I said, and you're lecturing me on reading comprehension?

Vietnam was a MILITARY victory for the United States. At the time of the pullout, we had accomplished our military objectives in that conflict.


Fleeing the country was America's military objective in Vietnam?

Reading is hard isn't it?

As President Johnson said, "Our objective is the independence of South Vietnam and its freedom from attack. We will do everything necessary to reach that objective, and we will do only what is absolutely necessary. "

One out of two is not bad, right?  After all, South Vietnam is currently free from attack!


Militarily the US did just fine given the constraints they had. Not the military's fault they had to listen to career politicians. Had the "Menu" been a little more expansive, they probably could have achieved a NVA pullout.
 
2013-02-03 02:39:20 AM  

BronyMedic: Vietnam was a MILITARY victory for the United States. At the time of the pullout, we had accomplished our military objectives in that conflict.


According to my grandfather, Lt. Col USMC, Ret. who served in that war (and Korea, and WWII,) you're dead wrong and he says to throw away whatever high school diploma you got and start again at a real school.
 
2013-02-03 02:39:27 AM  

dready zim: RacySmurff: Man, I love threads like this.

Really gives you a good look at both the old-school and new/emerging trolls. I don't ever block people (why would I block the people whose stupidity and animosity toward their fellow human beings is so amusing)--but if I did--it's threads like this one that would allow me to really fill up my list.

The entertainment I get from the fact that there is a large segment of human detritus that can so eloquently bait really smart people into turning into blithering idiots is nearly impossible to find outside of high schools and mental asylums.

Keep up the good work, Farkers, I love your acerbic turd-flinging. It's better than a monkey-sh*t fight at the zoo.

Thank you for eloquently expressing the exact reason I visit fark threads. Sometimes it`s fun to throw poop as well.



Agreed.
[fistbump]
 
2013-02-03 02:40:16 AM  
alright.   i didnt want to believe in the hoax theories behind all the recent gun violence/media coverage.   but this is just retarded.      gun related death at a shooting range???   COMEON  this HAS to be satire.
 
2013-02-03 02:43:34 AM  

Mrbogey: sheep snorter: Back in Saint Reagans day, these people were the heroes.

[i.imgur.com image 485x237]

Don't you ever do basic research before posting internet memes? The Taliban weren't around in the 80s and most of those men in the room weren't part of it when it was created.


Agreed. I'm no fan of Reagan, but there's no reason to make shiat up to smear him.
 
2013-02-03 02:44:05 AM  
This is what happens when God is excluded from shooting ranges.
 
2013-02-03 02:46:27 AM  

khyberkitsune: BronyMedic: Vietnam was a MILITARY victory for the United States. At the time of the pullout, we had accomplished our military objectives in that conflict.

According to my grandfather, Lt. Col USMC, Ret. who served in that war (and Korea, and WWII,) you're dead wrong and he says to throw away whatever high school diploma you got and start again at a real school.


....yeah.... we pulled out and any progress we made was lost and vietnam was completely overrun.

With that said, the only real reason the US military wages war anymore is to A)  Keep the worlds largest (and only) supply of battle-hardened troops supplied with plenty of combat experience B)  Make money for the mil-indy complex  C)   Intimidate our puppets

So... even "losing" a war like vietnam accomplishes those tasks.
 
2013-02-03 02:48:24 AM  
This thread is why I generally don't post on fark anymore. (Yes, I know I'm posting right now). I'd find myself, through the anonymity of the internet, saying things to people that I'd never say to their face. Ten years ago, as a whippersnapper, I thought it was funny. It was novel. I don't like that I did that. I don't like that I behaved that way.

Either I'm old as dirt at 27, or the negativity has just gotten more pervasive. I don't mean negativity as in response to this thread, "for" or "against" labeling this man as a hero, or whatever everyone here is discussing. I mean negativity as in the overarching attitude of these threads. The trend I've witnessed and identified is one of lowest common denominator. The internet has ruined humanity in a way. Huge proportions of people post things to illicit an emotional response such as shock. This continuous strive for revolting people has created a race to the bottom. Each and every one of us has to "one-up" the next guy to be noticed, to be given attention. And so we continue on down that path. Many of you here seem to equate an "original thought" with that of simply pissing someone off.

There's a serious lack of honesty on fark anymore, although the argument could be made it was never honest. There's a serious lack of general compassion, although the argument could be made it was never a compassionate site. But when a farker dies, or when something personal happens, the brigade comes out to say nice things...because hey, it was personal. But when it's a complete stranger you've never met, it's perfectly justifiable to take a couple snippets you know about them, and completely write off their existence. This is why I don't participate.

If we are to elevate the discussions, it would involve invoking the golden rule. Then again, it may only be my desire to elevate the discussions, and it may be the rest of fark's intentions to simply make the discussions funny. I can't speak for any of you.

Either my perception is correct, that things have gotten nastier here, OR my sense of humor has changed with age. I'm not unbiased enough to know. I do know that I'm laughing less while visiting this site though.

Go ahead and cue the welcometofark.jpeg.

/It wasn't the story that prompted the post, I don't intend to comment one way or another in terms of this man's death. It was the tone of the thread.
//Certainly not a fark saint, I'm sure I'm on ignore lists. I know I've said horrible things here, and that sucks, and I feel bad about it, and I don't intend to repeat history.
///I just have to stop posting here.
 
2013-02-03 02:49:41 AM  
I bet the fellas at Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq are still figuring out whether a giant novelty check would be appropriate.
 
2013-02-03 02:50:18 AM  

GoSurfing: This thread is why I generally don't post on fark anymore. (Yes, I know I'm posting right now). I'd find myself, through the anonymity of the internet, saying things to people that I'd never say to their face. Ten years ago, as a whippersnapper, I thought it was funny. It was novel. I don't like that I did that. I don't like that I behaved that way.

Either I'm old as dirt at 27, or the negativity has just gotten more pervasive. I don't mean negativity as in response to this thread, "for" or "against" labeling this man as a hero, or whatever everyone here is discussing. I mean negativity as in the overarching attitude of these threads. The trend I've witnessed and identified is one of lowest common denominator. The internet has ruined humanity in a way. Huge proportions of people post things to illicit an emotional response such as shock. This continuous strive for revolting people has created a race to the bottom. Each and every one of us has to "one-up" the next guy to be noticed, to be given attention. And so we continue on down that path. Many of you here seem to equate an "original thought" with that of simply pissing someone off.

There's a serious lack of honesty on fark anymore, although the argument could be made it was never honest. There's a serious lack of general compassion, although the argument could be made it was never a compassionate site. But when a farker dies, or when something personal happens, the brigade comes out to say nice things...because hey, it was personal. But when it's a complete stranger you've never met, it's perfectly justifiable to take a couple snippets you know about them, and completely write off their existence. This is why I don't participate.

If we are to elevate the discussions, it would involve invoking the golden rule. Then again, it may only be my desire to elevate the discussions, and it may be the rest of fark's intentions to simply make the discussions funny. I can't speak for any of you.

Either my perception is co ...


cdn.inquisitr.com

/you're old as fark
//if you cant handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen
/// tl,dr no one cares
 
2013-02-03 02:53:45 AM  

GoSurfing: Many of you here seem to equate an "original thought" with that of simply pissing someone off.


people argue emotion, not facts. and when presented with facts that disagree with their emotion, they kill the messenger.

I left fark for almost a year because I was starting to do the same thing. I'm sure I still do, but I try to be much more conscious of it.
 
2013-02-03 02:53:47 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: So much derp here, I hope we survive it.


RIP


All I know is, tomorrow morning I am waking up and farking my girlfriend and Chris Kyle is rotting 6 feet underground. All is right with the world.
 
2013-02-03 02:53:52 AM  

BronyMedic: drayno76: So he followed orders and was very good at it.... So were Nazi war criminals.... They heroes too? Your turn.

That's a stupid argument, and you win the dumbass-of-the-thread award for making it, and turning a Godwin.

The Nazis neither followed the laws and conventions of warfare of which they were a signatary to, or even their own national rules and regulations regarding the treatment of combatants and occupied peoples. It's a false comparison only someone either poorly educated in history, or entirely disingenious with an agenda would promote.


Neither have we recently - we just chose to redefine what certain terms meant and torture with impunity.
 
2013-02-03 02:58:54 AM  
What we need to do in response to this is obvious; make gun ranges gun-free zones.

The term hero gets thrown around so much it's next to meaningless now. I feel that hero means someone who does something they don't have to do which both puts that someone in harm's way and helps or saves others. So joining the military and getting sent to a combat zone then killing people doesn't count.
 
2013-02-03 03:00:23 AM  
men of this country will swear on their graves that dying for your homeland makes you a hero,   but in the same token,  will condemn or can not understand a suicide bomber for doing exactly what HE believes is the same thing, for HIS country.    your conditioning by our anthem is flimsy,   you have the choice to educate yourselves on exactly how far OUR government will go to shut up or even remove its own citizens from existence without a second thought.    everything you have been taught is wrong,   it is time to research things with an OPEN MIND and from a view that is not biased and carefully crafted and fed to you by people of authority with alterior motives.
 
2013-02-03 03:01:45 AM  

khyberkitsune: BronyMedic: Vietnam was a MILITARY victory for the United States. At the time of the pullout, we had accomplished our military objectives in that conflict.

According to my grandfather, Lt. Col USMC, Ret. who served in that war (and Korea, and WWII,) you're dead wrong and he says to throw away whatever high school diploma you got and start again at a real school.


Yeah Brony's revisionism on Vietnam hilarious.
 
2013-02-03 03:02:25 AM  
Shootings at ranges are not unheard of. Usually, however, it's a suicide - guy comes in, rents a gun, blam. Selfish, inconsiderate.

Not all ranges are the ones you see in movies or on tv. Ranges for professional/elite shooters are often very quiet and secluded. The range I go to rarely has anyone there besides myself and maybe one other. It is a 1500 yard range in the middle of the desert on private land.

As for guns not preventing this... that's an ignorant comment. It's VERY hard to prevent a shooting if the shooter has a gun in hand and can sneak up on you (which is what this sounds like). The difference, however, is that the shooter is not likely at all to be able to kill more than one or two before being rapidly stopped.

Because every sane shooter at a range knows this, the gun range is one of the most polite places you will ever come across.
 
2013-02-03 03:03:15 AM  

duenor: Shootings at ranges are not unheard of. Usually, however, it's a suicide - guy comes in, rents a gun, blam. Selfish, inconsiderate.

Not all ranges are the ones you see in movies or on tv. Ranges for professional/elite shooters are often very quiet and secluded. The range I go to rarely has anyone there besides myself and maybe one other. It is a 1500 yard range in the middle of the desert on private land.

As for guns not preventing this... that's an ignorant comment. It's VERY hard to prevent a shooting if the shooter has a gun in hand and can sneak up on you (which is what this sounds like). The difference, however, is that the shooter is not likely at all to be able to kill more than one or two before being rapidly stopped.

Because every sane shooter at a range knows this, the gun range is one of the most polite places you will ever come across.


Double plus this.
 
2013-02-03 03:05:11 AM  
"Deadliest?" All because he put over 160 enemy combatants down? No. Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock would likely disagree. Plus, Chief Kyle got wounded--twice, at least--which kind of makes him a human target compared to Gunny Hathcock. I have a reasonable amount of respect for people who come out of the sandbox alive and (mostly) in one piece, but if you train to be a SEAL sniper and then you get wounded, somewhere along the way your training failed you. Of course this is the same guy that made a killshot from over a mile away (2,100 yards was the figure I've seen).

As much respect as I have for him getting out of the Middle East alive, that respect is heavily tempered with the fact that he wrote a friggin' book about it. Don't brag. He killed people and made a pretty amazing shot, but he spiked the football and wrote a book about it--seriously not cool.

So let's see: He's not the "deadliest." (Duh.) But he made a 2,100-yard shot. (Good.) And then he wrote a book (bad)...a book which Republicans are probably wanking to nightly (eww).

Remember this the next time someone says that bullcrap line about stopping bad guys with guns by having a good guy with a gun nearby.
 
2013-02-03 03:06:04 AM  

crackwhore: alright.   i didnt want to believe in the hoax theories behind all the recent gun violence/media coverage.   but this is just retarded.      gun related death at a shooting range???   COMEON  this HAS to be satire.


I know, right?  Next thing you know there'll be a shooting in a gun factory and we'll need more guns to protect the gun makers from gun violence and and and
 
2013-02-03 03:08:08 AM  

maram500: "Deadliest?" All because he put over 160 enemy combatants down? No. Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock would likely disagree. Plus, Chief Kyle got wounded--twice, at least--which kind of makes him a human target compared to Gunny Hathcock. I have a reasonable amount of respect for people who come out of the sandbox alive and (mostly) in one piece, but if you train to be a SEAL sniper and then you get wounded, somewhere along the way your training failed you. Of course this is the same guy that made a killshot from over a mile away (2,100 yards was the figure I've seen).

As much respect as I have for him getting out of the Middle East alive, that respect is heavily tempered with the fact that he wrote a friggin' book about it. Don't brag. He killed people and made a pretty amazing shot, but he spiked the football and wrote a book about it--seriously not cool.

So let's see: He's not the "deadliest." (Duh.) But he made a 2,100-yard shot. (Good.) And then he wrote a book (bad)...a book which Republicans are probably wanking to nightly (eww).

Remember this the next time someone says that bullcrap line about stopping bad guys with guns by having a good guy with a gun nearby.


Maybe not the deadliest, but certainly the deadest.
 
2013-02-03 03:08:27 AM  

omeganuepsilon: That's pretty much every service member, considering that most of society won't make any sacrifice for their country and it's ideals....Service members give up a lot of freedom right off the bat, as well as obtaining increased risk and stress.  A lot of civilians like to make it sound like the military is a cakewalk and no different than a "normal" job, but in reality that is a grossly ignorant perspective.


I don't think I said otherwise, so let me clear something up here: I don't see this as an argument about the virtues of military service or the sacrifices inherent in that decision. This is about the merit in singling out a particular individual's deeds while serving.

Kyle isn't being branded "an American hero" for choosing to join the Navy. He is specifically being branded "an American hero" for shooting a whole bunch of people from a great distance, something that distinguishes him from others. Had he not shot as many people, his identity would blend back into a mass of service members whose stories don't get published and who do not make national news if somebody murders them.

Can we agree that that is the case?

Down the line in their career, much of what is done is saving lives(ie "Evil" Dictator takes a bullet to the chest from a mile out, all his potential victims are that much safer, figuratively pulled out of the fire).

Agreed. However, was that the sniper's intent, or does he just really like shooting people? This is important, because from what I've seen about this guy, there were indications that it tended toward the latter.

No, liking what one does does not make it unheroic, but once you take sufficient pleasure in it, there's reason to explore the issue a bit.

Question #1: Let's say you show up at a bar every day and have a few beers. You love beer. One day, after a few years of drinking beer, the bartender comes over, looks you square in the eye, and says "Look, the fate of the world hinges on this beer. Thousands of innocent lives will end if you don't drink it." Bizarrely, it's true. You know it's true. You drink the beer. The lives are saved. Are you now a hero because you continued doing the thing you were already doing simply because you enjoy doing it, or are you only as heroic as you always were?

Question #2: From another angle, if Superman could only achieve sexual climax by stopping bank robberies, would people still believe he was stopping bank robbers because he wanted to do a good thing, or would they start wondering if maybe he is not driven primarily by a commitment to justice?

Kyle clearly excelled at his work, and I think that's admirable and deserves recognition. Like I said, "legendary" is certainly a good word. I just feel like it's troubling to see people unquestioningly label it heroism, which carries moral connotations, based purely on his, for all intents and purposes, unlocking an achievement.

Somewhere out there, there's a guy for whom the military was not his second choice after an injury ended his rodeo career. Somewhere out there, there's a guy who didn't leave to save his marriage. There are lots of guys who didn't come home safely. I'm not comfortable with a definition of heroism that elevates pure technical performance above other commitments and sacrifices without any regard for the possibility that, hey, he might have enjoyed having an excuse to kill a bunch of people.
 
2013-02-03 03:12:14 AM  

freewill: Somewhere out there, there's a guy for whom the military was not his second choice after an injury ended his rodeo career.


In the good ol' USA, if you got an injury that ended your rodeo career, you sure as hell aren't getting into the military.

Otherwise, I'd be in there.
 
2013-02-03 03:12:32 AM  

Befuddled: What we need to do in response to this is obvious; make gun ranges gun-free zones.

The term hero gets thrown around so much it's next to meaningless now. I feel that hero means someone who does something they don't have to do which both puts that someone in harm's way and helps or saves others. So joining the military and getting sent to a combat zone then killing people doesn't count.


I agree - that's a hero - being a soulless killer for hire tends not to cut it.
 
2013-02-03 03:15:15 AM  

maram500: "Deadliest?" All because he put over 160 enemy combatants down? No. Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock would likely disagree. Plus, Chief Kyle got wounded--twice, at least--which kind of makes him a human target compared to Gunny Hathcock. I have a reasonable amount of respect for people who come out of the sandbox alive and (mostly) in one piece, but if you train to be a SEAL sniper and then you get wounded, somewhere along the way your training failed you. Of course this is the same guy that made a killshot from over a mile away (2,100 yards was the figure I've seen).

As much respect as I have for him getting out of the Middle East alive, that respect is heavily tempered with the fact that he wrote a friggin' book about it. Don't brag. He killed people and made a pretty amazing shot, but he spiked the football and wrote a book about it--seriously not cool.

So let's see: He's not the "deadliest." (Duh.) But he made a 2,100-yard shot. (Good.) And then he wrote a book (bad)...a book which Republicans are probably wanking to nightly (eww).

Remember this the next time someone says that bullcrap line about stopping bad guys with guns by having a good guy with a gun nearby.



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2013-02-03 03:16:14 AM  

khyberkitsune: In the good ol' USA, if you got an injury that ended your rodeo career, you sure as hell aren't getting into the military.

Otherwise, I'd be in there.


I'm taking the widely published account of Kyle's career at face value, here.
 
2013-02-03 03:17:24 AM  

Wardrobe_Malfunction: halB: I'm shocked.

If a man starts shooting people at a gun range, you would figure he would be put down by everyone else at the range as an act of self defense.

I have no idea how he made it away from that range, unless it was a backwoods range where you only find a handful of people shooting.

At a range with 10+ people, that guy would've been toast from the first shot.

So say the gun nuts anyway. Turns out it doesn't go like that in real life though, right?


Turns out, when you're at a gun range, and you hear a bunch of shooting, your first thought is, "Hey, there are other people shooting at the targets just like me," not "HEY SOMEONE JUST GOT SHOT! I'D BETTER SEE WHAT HAPPENED!"
 
2013-02-03 03:17:54 AM  

BronyMedic: drayno76: So he followed orders and was very good at it.... So were Nazi war criminals.... They heroes too? Your turn.

That's a stupid argument, and you win the dumbass-of-the-thread award for making it, and turning a Godwin.

The Nazis neither followed the laws and conventions of warfare of which they were a signatary to, or even their own national rules and regulations regarding the treatment of combatants and occupied peoples. It's a false comparison only someone either poorly educated in history, or entirely disingenious with an agenda would promote.

Is that you Dubya?

 
2013-02-03 03:19:47 AM  
This thread = my god it's full of stars
 
2013-02-03 03:22:07 AM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Lt. Cheese Weasel: So much derp here, I hope we survive it.


RIP

All I know is, tomorrow morning I am waking up and farking my girlfriend and Chris Kyle is rotting 6 feet underground. All is right with the world.



Nasty work, but someone's gotta do it.
Remember: no glove, no love.
 
2013-02-03 03:23:06 AM  
This shiat this guy went through - and did - when his country asked him to would make many of you skinny jeans wearing sad sacks of shiat quiver up in a corner screaming for mommy and a pacifier.

Even if you don't agree with the politics behind everything, don't come posting in here celebrating his death, particularly when it came at the hands of a coward who he was genuinely trying to help. Some of you guys are sick.

RIP Mr. Kyle
 
2013-02-03 03:25:02 AM  
The only way to stop a good guy with a gun is a bad guy with a gun?
Evidently the world does not consist of 'good guys' and 'bad guys'.
 
2013-02-03 03:26:22 AM  
So, once again a lack of mental health resources was what killed, abetted by access to a gun.

And while I think some snipers could be heroes, the people I respect most are the people who detest killing but do it anyway to protect others. If someone actively enjoys killing and signs up to the military so that they can kill people without being put in prison for it, I wouldn't call them a hero, even if they're doing the same job. I'd rather they do that than being a serial killer, but I don't think of them the same way I do as people who join the military for other reasons and kill only when they have to.
 
2013-02-03 03:26:38 AM  

joness0154: This shiat this guy went through - and did - when his country asked him to would make many of you skinny jeans wearing sad sacks of shiat quiver up in a corner screaming for mommy and a pacifier.

Even if you don't agree with the politics behind everything, don't come posting in here celebrating his death, particularly when it came at the hands of a coward who he was genuinely trying to help. Some of you guys are sick.

RIP Mr. Kyle


No when something they order you to do is immoral or illegal or just plain wrong, the heroic person says "NO!!!"

They don't reply with glee "Woop finally get to use my training."
 
2013-02-03 03:27:24 AM  

joness0154: This shiat this guy went through - and did - when his country asked him to would make many of you skinny jeans wearing sad sacks of shiat quiver up in a corner screaming for mommy and a pacifier.

Even if you don't agree with the politics behind everything, don't come posting in here celebrating his death, particularly when it came at the hands of a coward who he was genuinely trying to help. Some of you guys are sick.

RIP Mr. Kyle


lol at skinny jeans. what a weird assumption
 
2013-02-03 03:28:58 AM  

joness0154: This shiat this guy went through - and did - when his country asked him to would make many of you skinny jeans wearing sad sacks of shiat quiver up in a corner screaming for mommy and a pacifier.

Even if you don't agree with the politics behind everything, don't come posting in here celebrating his death, particularly when it came at the hands of a coward who he was genuinely trying to help. Some of you guys are sick.

RIP Mr. Kyle


He was a soldier. His country didn't ask him--he volunteered to do it, plain and simple. So please stop venerating everyone who volunteered to earn a (pretty crappy) paycheck as a "hero," because so few of them are genuine heroes. Honestly, what people like you do cheapens the honorific. An (overly-simplified) example:

Person A: "Private Dale Black just came back from Iraq."
Person B: "He's a hero!"
Person A: "He served food in the chow hall."
Person B: "Look at that uniform! He's got to be a hero!"

And since you venerate soldiers (and, I hope, sailors), you would probably do well to address him properly: Chief Petty Officer Kyle.
 
2013-02-03 03:31:44 AM  
I never claimed he was a hero. He may be to some and not others. I was addressing those in this thread celebrating his death.
 
2013-02-03 03:32:18 AM  

joness0154: This shiat this guy went through - and did - when his country asked him to would make many of you skinny jeans wearing sad sacks of shiat quiver up in a corner screaming for mommy and a pacifier.

Even if you don't agree with the politics behind everything, don't come posting in here celebrating his death, particularly when it came at the hands of a coward who he was genuinely trying to help. Some of you guys are sick.


It's not about politics.  It's about Kyle being a sociopath.   Because he was a sociopath, he was able to do things most people could not without suffering the consequences.  Lacking empathy, remorse, and guilt, he didn't have to pay the mental price most would pay for those actions.

Yes, he served his country, but so did many others.  How is his service better than that of his fellow soldiers?  In my mind, it is not better, it is the same.  Being imbued with a non-standard brain that enabled him to be a remorseless killer does not make him better American and does not make him a hero.
 
2013-02-03 03:37:06 AM  

crackwhore: men of this country will swear on their graves that dying for your homeland makes you a hero,   but in the same token,  will condemn or can not understand a suicide bomber for doing exactly what HE believes is the same thing, for HIS country.


STFU you lying pinko commie lying crackwhore!
 
2013-02-03 03:37:24 AM  
Over 150,000 people die each day (around one a second).

This one doesn't bother me much - bit like the 160 he killed didn't bother him.

And he had the nerve to bring up Jesus.
 
2013-02-03 03:45:58 AM  

joness0154: I never claimed he was a hero. He may be to some and not others. I was addressing those in this thread celebrating his death.


There really have not been many of those. Of course there are those who treat anything other than calling him a hero as celebrating his death but we can't cure stupid.
 
2013-02-03 03:48:12 AM  

joness0154: This shiat this guy went through - and did - when his country asked him to would make many of you skinny jeans wearing sad sacks of shiat quiver up in a corner screaming for mommy and a pacifier.

Even if you don't agree with the politics behind everything, don't come posting in here celebrating his death, particularly when it came at the hands of a coward who he was genuinely trying to help. Some of you guys are sick.

RIP Mr. Kyle


Wait so a guy who shot somebody else who wasn't expecting to be facing any violence and was just faffing about but the guy who shot who drew a paycheck for years by shooting people who weren't expecting to be facing any violence and were just faffing about is a hero?
 
2013-02-03 03:58:23 AM  

freewill: Question #1: Let's say you show up at a bar every day and have a few beers. You love beer. One day, after a few years of drinking beer, the bartender comes over, looks you square in the eye, and says "Look, the fate of the world hinges on this beer. Thousands of innocent lives will end if you don't drink it." Bizarrely, it's true. You know it's true. You drink the beer. The lives are saved. Are you now a hero because you continued doing the thing you were already doing simply because you enjoy doing it, or are you only as heroic as you always were?

Question #2: From another angle, if Superman could only achieve sexual climax by stopping bank robberies, would people still believe he was stopping bank robbers because he wanted to do a good thing, or would they start wondering if maybe he is not driven primarily by a commitment to justice?


from a seinfeld angle, what if superman only saved women so he could hit on them? would he still be a hero?

in all seriousness, good post.
 
2013-02-03 03:58:50 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: In all seriousness, this is a terrible example of the lack of mental healthcare our veterans are receiving upon return from wherever they go.  Whether you agree or disagree with the mission, the failure to recognize and address that we've got a second Vietnam worth of societal problems revolving around veterans returning with mental/emotional issues will haunt us for the next 60 years.


Approaching 500 posts in the thread and this is the only one which spots the real take-home message.

I'll go one further and point out that if folks with diagnosed mental disorders relating to violence were prohibited from using firearms upon their discharge from the military until they were cleared as sane, Chris Kyle would be alive right now.
 
2013-02-03 03:59:47 AM  
I see people are still blaming this on "crazy" or "mental illness".

Mental illness is a chemical problem, not a psychological one. Schizophrenia is a mental illness. It is something that can not be changed by the person suffering from the illness. Alzheimers is another. Schizophrenia, bipolar, depression, and other mental illnesses DO NOT CORRELATE TO HIGHER RATES OF VIOLENCE. In fact, the mentally ill are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators of violence.

Mental health problems are psychological. They're bad decisions by individuals with healthy brain chemistry, or people under the influence. Chronic anger is a mental health problem, though there might be some chemical problems that could be helped with medications.

Violence is far more likely to be due to substance abuse, interpersonal conflict, or even due to the pressures of being poor. The mentally ill are being unfairly scapegoated in the recent violence of our culture, by the media, by politicians, by the ignorant. It is repulsive and we are at risk of violating the rights of the mentally ill in order to give ourselves a convenient explanation for why these things are happening.

However it is our culture that is to blame. When you glorify violence, when you justify the use of violence to solve problems, you should not be surprised when violence occurs. Violence is not something you can use against "others", then expect to put away in a dark, safe place never to be used against you or anyone you care about. As others have said, you reap what you sow.

I am sad that this has occurred, and I don't think it's cosmic justice, however I am disgusted by people's willingness to just pass this off as "crazy people". As the brother of a "crazy" person who has been victimized by a brutal, uncaring, exploitative society that honestly doesn't care or even want to learn about what mental illness really is, I can't stand by and let people cloak themselves in convenient lies.

http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_violence.php
http://psychcentral.com/archives/violence.htm
http://www.cmha.ca/mental_health/violence-and-mental-illness/
 
2013-02-03 04:05:30 AM  
I would have gone with, "162 Dead".

I don't mean that as disrespect, just commentary on the sad state of the world.  I suppose every kill streak has to end sometime.
 
2013-02-03 04:06:26 AM  

natmar_76: I see people are still blaming this on "crazy" or "mental illness".

Mental illness is a chemical problem, not a psychological one. Schizophrenia is a mental illness. It is something that can not be changed by the person suffering from the illness. Alzheimers is another. Schizophrenia, bipolar, depression, and other mental illnesses DO NOT CORRELATE TO HIGHER RATES OF VIOLENCE. In fact, the mentally ill are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators of violence.

Mental health problems are psychological. They're bad decisions by individuals with healthy brain chemistry, or people under the influence. Chronic anger is a mental health problem, though there might be some chemical problems that could be helped with medications.

Violence is far more likely to be due to substance abuse, interpersonal conflict, or even due to the pressures of being poor. The mentally ill are being unfairly scapegoated in the recent violence of our culture, by the media, by politicians, by the ignorant. It is repulsive and we are at risk of violating the rights of the mentally ill in order to give ourselves a convenient explanation for why these things are happening.

However it is our culture that is to blame. When you glorify violence, when you justify the use of violence to solve problems, you should not be surprised when violence occurs. Violence is not something you can use against "others", then expect to put away in a dark, safe place never to be used against you or anyone you care about. As others have said, you reap what you sow.

I am sad that this has occurred, and I don't think it's cosmic justice, however I am disgusted by people's willingness to just pass this off as "crazy people". As the brother of a "crazy" person who has been victimized by a brutal, uncaring, exploitative society that honestly doesn't care or even want to learn about what mental illness really is, I can't stand by and let people cloak themselves in convenient lies.

http://depts.w ...


So trauma such as being in a warzone and everything that goes with that is completely harmless from a mental health point of view? Coz your post makes no mention of it.
 
2013-02-03 04:06:58 AM  

ambercat: So, once again a lack of mental health resources was what killed, abetted by access to a gun.


What I'm wondering is, did Kyle know the guy had PTSD and if so, what in the actual fark is he doing taking the guy to a gun range for?
 
2013-02-03 04:07:03 AM  
Another reminder that for those we send to fight, war never end.

They carry it with them every where they go, every day of their lives.

It's too bad that kid had to take two of his fellow soldiers with him... terrible tragedy.

/those internet badasses here lacking any ounce of dignity or respect, enjoy your gun thread jack off session
 
2013-02-03 04:13:46 AM  

WhyteRaven74: What I'm wondering is, did Kyle know the guy had PTSD and if so, what in the actual fark is he doing taking the guy to a gun range for?


did he? the article I read made it sound like him and the friend who got shot were there together and the shooter was on his own.
 
2013-02-03 04:18:04 AM  

wademh: Is a pilot who flew relatively safe missions a hero if they had a high rate of casualties for the bombs they dropped or is it the pilot who took a special risk to save their fellow soldiers that is the hero. I just don't see where you get to "no soldiers" if this particular sniper fails to qualify as a hero.


My favorite account from the battle of Stalingrad was an entry in a German officers diary that somehow survived in Soviet Archives.  One entry reads roughly, 'bastards snuck in last night and carried off a another machine gun'

WhyteRaven74: What I'm wondering is, did Kyle know the guy had PTSD and if so, what in the actual fark is he doing taking the guy to a gun range for?


If he's like the couple of sociopaths I know he was probably intentionally farking with the guy.
 
2013-02-03 04:19:53 AM  

log_jammin: did he? the article I read made it sound like him and the friend who got shot were there together and the shooter was on his own.


actually after reading it again I can't tell if he did or didn't
 
2013-02-03 04:21:36 AM  

joness0154: This shiat this guy went through - and did - when his country asked him to would make many of you skinny jeans wearing sad sacks of shiat quiver up in a corner screaming for mommy and a pacifier.

Even if you don't agree with the politics behind everything, don't come posting in here celebrating his death, particularly when it came at the hands of a coward who he was genuinely trying to help. Some of you guys are sick.

RIP Mr. Kyle


Wait, but the guy who killed him was a marine, who had an awful mental condition that went untreated.  So he's a coward? Not a hero?  The marine served his country, did things he really didn't want to do which left him mentally scarred, and now is being called a coward.
 
2013-02-03 04:23:31 AM  
Can't believe this hasn't been posted yet:
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2013-02-03 04:28:22 AM  
The sad irony is that CPO Kyle's organization set out, at least in part, to help veterans suffering from PTSD.  Rest in peace.
 
2013-02-03 04:34:08 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Another reminder that for those we send to fight, war never end.

They carry it with them every where they go, every day of their lives.

It's too bad that kid had to take two of his fellow soldiers with him... terrible tragedy.

/those internet badasses here lacking any ounce of dignity or respect, enjoy your gun thread jack off session


For me its more of a war jack off session - when you decide to fight to the death you have better have serious reasons ... and I am thinking hordes coming over the hill towards the town you live in. Not what we in the West have been doing since "The Project for the New American Century" got their dream wish.

I joined the army to defend my country not slaughter foreigners, who never stepped foot on my land, in their own country.

Murder is murder regardless of if it is government sanctioned (and that government was FAR from sanctioned.)
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2013-02-03 04:38:04 AM  
Chris Kyle, a former Navy SEAL who became known as the deadliest U.S. sniper, was one of two men murdered on Saturday afternoon at a gun range in Erath County. Police have a suspect in custody.

.......

Investigators said Routh, a former Marine who is said to suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome, is believed to have turned his weapon on Kyle and the second victim, killing them both at point-blank range about 3:30 p.m.

An alert was issued for Routh, who was later captured after a short pursuit in Lancaster, south of Dallas.

Routh is an expert marksman, according to law enforcement sources


Was this tied around Routh's head at the time?

i78.photobucket.com

/Obscure?
 
2013-02-03 04:38:43 AM  

MaliFinn: We the People choose our government and control it.
The government chooses to wage wars.
Volunteers fight in the wars our government chooses.
Sometimes the wars make the volunteers crazy.
Crazy people kill other people.
So, this is something we've done to ourselves.


That can be said.  I've opposed our countries participation to the extent possible.

khyberkitsune: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero

General Smedley Butler laughs at your complete ignorance from his grave.


(link added)  A good read if anyone is interested. 

GoSurfing: If we are to elevate the discussions, it would involve invoking the golden rule. Then again, it may only be my desire to elevate the discussions, and it may be the rest of fark's intentions to simply make the discussions funny. I can't speak for any of you.


You create that site with elevated, mature, insightful, sincere and polite discussion and I'll gladly switch my $5 a month over to yours.

violentsalvation: Yeah Brony's revisionism on Vietnam hilarious.


Ask him how Vietnam was really a part of the cold war with Russia.
 
2013-02-03 04:54:23 AM  
What goes around comes around.
 
2013-02-03 04:59:52 AM  
Run over by a bus.
Dropped hair dryer into bathtub.
Chronic gum disease.
Etcetera.
The only reason that all sides on this troll war are lobbing posts at each other is the undeniably ironic/tragic/symmetrical circumstance of Kyle's death. If he died in any other way, the fury would be nonexistent. But the opportunity to gloat on karma is pretty irresistible given the circumstance. Sorry, loving father & Christian, but go fark yourself: karma didn't care that you were wearing a uniform while you took all those lives.
 
2013-02-03 05:06:46 AM  
Killing people with a gun makes you a hero.  Except when it makes you a criminal.

It's an interesting distinction we make.
 
2013-02-03 05:08:00 AM  
THE GUNS KEEP US SAFE THE GUNS KEEP US SAFE
 
2013-02-03 05:12:16 AM  
Who lives by the sword, usually dies of a heart attack or stroke.  But, you know, bullshiat karma fantasies.
 
2013-02-03 05:16:36 AM  

Lernaeus: My condolences to his friends and family.

.

DIAF, trolls. Slowly.


Wishing death on those whose opinions are different from yours, eh? Classy.
 
2013-02-03 05:23:12 AM  
1.  Let this be a lesson to the chicken hawks (not that it will take), but the wars you're so gung-ho about have an extremely negative impact on your heroes.  Wouldn't you rather have these tough, courageous souls protecting our cities and borders instead of killing ferners who don't threaten us?

2.  Add gun ranges to the list of places where we need armed guards to eliminate senseless shootings.

Hospitals
Elementary schools
Army bases
Movie theaters
Houses
Apartments
Workplaces
Gun ranges
 
2013-02-03 05:27:04 AM  

TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


In a war of aggression, the only heroes are those who refuse to participate.
 
2013-02-03 05:30:03 AM  

give me doughnuts: Just_a_Bear: what was that about the need for better treatment for mental illnesses?

Especially for returning troops. The suicide rate anong Iraq and Afghanistan vets is appalling.


Good. Then I don't have to be taxed to take care of them.
 
2013-02-03 05:31:20 AM  

universebetween: Sinbox: SFW

What the holy farking hell am I looking for in all... THAT?!


Sounder: "A hero ain't nothin' but a sandwich"
 
2013-02-03 05:31:53 AM  

Fat-D: Even if it was a shiatty, pointless war....aaand he may have been a bit jesus freak crazy.....he still was willing to put his own ass on the line for something the civilian leadership of this country asked him to do.

You can have whatever opinion about him that you want.

People like this are national treasures.
RIP
/Liberal
//%100 against going to Iraq in the first place


Would that be true of Germans in the late 1930s - early 1940s, too?
 
2013-02-03 05:46:26 AM  
I'm tempted to throw a "i love this thread so much" pic into here.

Also, wonder if Jesse The Body has something to do with this.....
 
2013-02-03 05:48:08 AM  
If there were a WW2 like war in our era it would be quite comical to see all you little pussies who like to bash the military curl up in your pussy fetal positions and hide in your attics and crawl spaces to get out of fighting. We would absolutely lose if we had to rely on additional manpower via a draft because all the pussies would be quivering in fear and not willing to give up your nice cozy living.

Everyone has it way too good, thinking that the unthinkable could never happen here. We are all free to be weak and weak minded because your recent history tells you that war will never come knocking on our doors, but history has shown that even the strongest most stabile societies end up conquered at some point...it can happen, though most likely not in our lifetimes.

For a minute though it would be funny to see all the libs crying for help from the dirty military they like to  deride so easily
 
2013-02-03 05:55:05 AM  
The Boy Least Likely To - Sleeping With A Gun Under My Pillow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW7oJO-gvSI
 
2013-02-03 05:59:55 AM  

DrPainMD: Fat-D: Even if it was a shiatty, pointless war....aaand he may have been a bit jesus freak crazy.....he still was willing to put his own ass on the line for something the civilian leadership of this country asked him to do.

You can have whatever opinion about him that you want.

People like this are national treasures.
RIP
/Liberal
//%100 against going to Iraq in the first place

Would that be true of Germans in the late 1930s - early 1940s, too?


Finding intellectual inconsistencies in this thread is like shooting fish in a barrel, because the vast, vast majority of comments are made from emotional not intellectual positions.

All armies contain heroes, cowards and villains, and some soldiers are all three at various times or even simultaneously. The German army was full of people putting their arses on the line at the behest of their government and not questioning the situation. If we apply the logic of many Farkers in this thread, they also must be heroes. But those same Farkers would reject this. If we say it's bad that German soldiers followed orders unquestioningly, then we're also saying that the US (and Australian, and various other) armies should have refused to follow orders in 2001/02 because Iraq offered no threat to anyone else's national security. And if we don't agree with that position either, then we at least have to accept that there were numerous breaches of the Geneva convention by US soldiers which have tarnished all of their comrades. And if we're just, like, no the US RULES and everyone else can suck our dicks, then we're applying no intellect to this situation at all. And that helps precisely no one.

As long as snipers are legitimate in warfare, we can't bash any of them for doing their jobs. It's not their job to question the orders they receive. If you don't like the orders, criticise the administration for handing them out. And it's sad that Chris Kyle died violently just like it's sad when anyone dies violently, such as children in Iraq who happened to be in the vicinity of coalition bombs or bullets. And I guess snipers on battlefields are less likely to take out innocent non-combatants than bomber pilots, artillery soldiers or even GI's engaged in battles in urban areas.

I'm not so naive as to believe that we'll eliminate these problems but we can as sure as shiat minimise them by ensuring our political leaders are accountable for military decisions (and there's not just some crappy 'you're either with us or against us' narrative in play), having sensible weapons laws and supporting troops with mental illnesses when they get home. Thousands of lives can be saved with all of the social and economic benefits that go with that.
 
2013-02-03 06:07:26 AM  

publikenemy: If there were a WW2 like war in our era it would be quite comical to see all you little pussies who like to bash the military curl up in your pussy fetal positions and hide in your attics and crawl spaces to get out of fighting. We would absolutely lose if we had to rely on additional manpower via a draft because all the pussies would be quivering in fear and not willing to give up your nice cozy living.

Everyone has it way too good, thinking that the unthinkable could never happen here. We are all free to be weak and weak minded because your recent history tells you that war will never come knocking on our doors, but history has shown that even the strongest most stabile societies end up conquered at some point...it can happen, though most likely not in our lifetimes.

For a minute though it would be funny to see all the libs crying for help from the dirty military they like to  deride so easily


publikenemy: If there were a WW2 like war in our era it would be quite comical to see all you little pussies who like to bash the military curl up in your pussy fetal positions and hide in your attics and crawl spaces to get out of fighting. We would absolutely lose if we had to rely on additional manpower via a draft because all the pussies would be quivering in fear and not willing to give up your nice cozy living.

Everyone has it way too good, thinking that the unthinkable could never happen here. We are all free to be weak and weak minded because your recent history tells you that war will never come knocking on our doors, but history has shown that even the strongest most stabile societies end up conquered at some point...it can happen, though most likely not in our lifetimes.

For a minute though it would be funny to see all the libs crying for help from the dirty military they like to  deride so easily


Yeah, the US was totally not pussying out for the entire first 2 years of WW2 when they had a formal position of neutrality. Funny how Americans never discuss this.
 
2013-02-03 06:08:17 AM  
Life is ultimately farked up and random.
 
2013-02-03 06:10:03 AM  
Kyle will live on in the inevitable conspiracy theories.
 
2013-02-03 06:10:58 AM  

maram500: As much respect as I have for him getting out of the Middle East alive, that respect is heavily tempered with the fact that he wrote a friggin' book about it. Don't brag. He killed people and made a pretty amazing shot, but he spiked the football and wrote a book about it--seriously not cool.


Yeah.  Bragging and writing books makes it easier for the wackjobs to find you and put a bullet in you.

/seriously
 
2013-02-03 06:12:22 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The_Sponge: TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Seconded.

OK, you too, chuckles. How was he a hero.

Seriously, I'm sick of jagoffs calling any dumb asshole with a gun who gets off on killing people a "hero". This guy was a psychopath.


Wouldn't 'sociopath' be more accurate?  Not that I agree with you.
 
2013-02-03 06:17:08 AM  
Deadliest US sniper? Guy who got off on killing numerous browns and bragged about it? Shot and killed?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-03 06:17:53 AM  
NameDot
Wouldn't 'sociopath' be more accurate? Not that I agree with you.


Sociopath has become overused and lost it's meaning.

I am not a clinical psychologist, but murder and sociopath are not one in the same.

/Sociopath is a complex clinical diagnosis from where I stand.
 
2013-02-03 06:19:52 AM  
You know how EVERY time there's a story about crime or violence someone chimes in with "if only they had a gun and a little training" ?

Well, you'll have to excuse people for their little revenge whenever a story like this one comes along.
 
2013-02-03 06:20:46 AM  

frestcrallen: The Sniper


Excellent!
 
2013-02-03 06:21:20 AM  

Aussie_As: DrPainMD: Fat-D: Even if it was a shiatty, pointless war....aaand he may have been a bit jesus freak crazy.....he still was willing to put his own ass on the line for something the civilian leadership of this country asked him to do.

You can have whatever opinion about him that you want.

People like this are national treasures.
RIP
/Liberal
//%100 against going to Iraq in the first place

Would that be true of Germans in the late 1930s - early 1940s, too?

Finding intellectual inconsistencies in this thread is like shooting fish in a barrel, because the vast, vast majority of comments are made from emotional not intellectual positions.

All armies contain heroes, cowards and villains, and some soldiers are all three at various times or even simultaneously. The German army was full of people putting their arses on the line at the behest of their government and not questioning the situation. If we apply the logic of many Farkers in this thread, they also must be heroes. But those same Farkers would reject this. If we say it's bad that German soldiers followed orders unquestioningly, then we're also saying that the US (and Australian, and various other) armies should have refused to follow orders in 2001/02 because Iraq offered no threat to anyone else's national security. And if we don't agree with that position either, then we at least have to accept that there were numerous breaches of the Geneva convention by US soldiers which have tarnished all of their comrades. And if we're just, like, no the US RULES and everyone else can suck our dicks, then we're applying no intellect to this situation at all. And that helps precisely no one.

As long as snipers are legitimate in warfare, we can't bash any of them for doing their jobs. It's not their job to question the orders they receive. If you don't like the orders, criticise the administration for handing them out. And it's sad that Chris Kyle died violently just like it's sad when anyone dies violently, such as childr ...


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-03 06:22:31 AM  
I hate I_Hate_Iowa
Deadliest US sniper? Guy who got off on killing numerous browns and bragged about it? Shot and killed?


Don't judge people for random psychological abilities. Ability to abstract their job functions based on nature/nurture does not mean he enjoyed it.

/Unless you were there when he pulled the trigger.
//Might have drove by you.
 
2013-02-03 06:24:58 AM  

Langdon_777: I joined the army to defend my country not slaughter foreigners, who never stepped foot on my land, in their own country.


Me too, brother.
As to your other points I certainly agree,
and where I don't I can definitely sympathize.
 
2013-02-03 06:27:50 AM  
If Routh killed the best sniper in the US, does that automatically make him the best sniper?

Because I totally think so.
 
2013-02-03 06:28:22 AM  

raatz01: Kyle will live on in the inevitable conspiracy theories.


Regardless of how you feel about this man's death, this is the key thing right here.

Give it two days. The conspiracy theorists are going to go CRAZY with this little tidbit.
 
2013-02-03 06:31:24 AM  

publikenemy: If there were a WW2 like war in our era it would be quite comical to see all you little pussies who like to bash the military curl up in your pussy fetal positions and hide in your attics and crawl spaces to get out of fighting. We would absolutely lose if we had to rely on additional manpower via a draft because all the pussies would be quivering in fear and not willing to give up your nice cozy living.

Everyone has it way too good, thinking that the unthinkable could never happen here. We are all free to be weak and weak minded because your recent history tells you that war will never come knocking on our doors, but history has shown that even the strongest most stabile societies end up conquered at some point...it can happen, though most likely not in our lifetimes.

For a minute though it would be funny to see all the libs crying for help from the dirty military they like to  deride so easily


Nukes sort of stopped that macho fantasy.
 
2013-02-03 06:31:57 AM  

Enemabag Jones: Don't judge people for random psychological abilities. Ability to abstract their job functions based on nature/nurture does not mean he enjoyed it.


He wrote a book about it and, as another poster put it, spiked the football. I've got no sympathy for the idiots who enlist to kill thousands of innocent people just so they can live off redneck welfare for the rest of their lives.

i.imgur.com

So I say again, good riddance you pathological waste of humanity.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-03 06:35:30 AM  

jdredd: [th05.deviantart.net image 850x850]

To soon?


Did you mean TOO soon?
 
2013-02-03 06:36:45 AM  
I hate I_Hate_Iowa,
[star trek confirmation]


I respect a well-made point.

/Yes, Star Trek is my favorite science fiction.
 
2013-02-03 06:41:31 AM  
Yeah, obviously snipers sat around all day shooting civilians.  Women and schoolchildren, mostly.  I hear they left candy in the middle of nice big fields to lure them out into the open.
 
2013-02-03 06:42:37 AM  
don't shoot shotgun.
 
2013-02-03 06:47:53 AM  
So if arguably the world's greatest shot and decorated war veteran can't protect even himself while armed, the concealed carry argument suddenly looks eve sillier.
 
2013-02-03 06:48:58 AM  
A soldier suffering from PTSD let's give him a gun.

/the American way is the wrong way
//too many guns
 
2013-02-03 06:51:34 AM  

Langdon_777: publikenemy: If there were a WW2 like war in our era it would be quite comical to see all you little pussies who like to bash the military curl up in your pussy fetal positions and hide in your attics and crawl spaces to get out of fighting. We would absolutely lose if we had to rely on additional manpower via a draft because all the pussies would be quivering in fear and not willing to give up your nice cozy living.

Everyone has it way too good, thinking that the unthinkable could never happen here. We are all free to be weak and weak minded because your recent history tells you that war will never come knocking on our doors, but history has shown that even the strongest most stabile societies end up conquered at some point...it can happen, though most likely not in our lifetimes.

For a minute though it would be funny to see all the libs crying for help from the dirty military they like to  deride so easily

Nukes sort of stopped that macho fantasy.




Agreed..Point i was trying to make is that when the guy who's currently Sec of State says: "You can study hard and do well, or if you don't you could get stuck in Iraq." ...it would seem to me there is a general distaste of the military in general..and I imagine that some higher up personnel who dont forget things like that may right this moment may be thinking it may be a good time to check out civilian life for good with a guy like that around.


That guy is biggest liar douchebag gold digging ketchup loving dickface ever existed..
 
2013-02-03 06:54:26 AM  
www.s2ki.com
Some serious jimmy rustling from I can see
 
2013-02-03 06:56:11 AM  

TOWG: The first 10 commenters can all go and EABOD. RIP hero


Because nothing says "hero" like taking out a person from 1500 yards away while wearing a gillie suit.
 
2013-02-03 06:56:57 AM  

publikenemy: Langdon_777: publikenemy: ....

Agreed..Point i was trying to make is that when the guy who's currently Sec of State says: "You can study hard and do well, or if you don't you could get stuck in Iraq." ...it would seem to me there is a general distaste of the military in general..and I imagine that some higher up personnel who dont forget things like that may right this moment may be thinking it may be a good time to check out civilian life for good with a guy like that around.


That guy is biggest liar douchebag gold digging ketchup loving dickface ever existed..


If your interpretation of that quote is correct then I completely agree with you, but as I look at those words he's just calling George W Bush an idiot. I don't know their context admittedly.
 
2013-02-03 07:03:19 AM  

Enemabag Jones: NameDot
Wouldn't 'sociopath' be more accurate? Not that I agree with you.

Sociopath has become overused and lost it's meaning.

I am not a clinical psychologist, but murder and sociopath are not one in the same.

/Sociopath is a complex clinical diagnosis from where I stand.


From where I sit this is close enough: Sociopath does not have as complete or complex an understanding that what they do is wrong and a psychopath does. So if you write a book about what you do that causes others to think of you as 'crazy'. Not that this man was but this is the internet not a college class or a job.
 
2013-02-03 07:08:31 AM  
Stand down sailor. Thank you for,your service.
 
2013-02-03 07:10:26 AM  

I hate I_Hate_Iowa: Enemabag Jones: Don't judge people for random psychological abilities. Ability to abstract their job functions based on nature/nurture does not mean he enjoyed it.

i.imgur.com

So I say again, good riddance you pathological waste of humanity.


Uh... your pie chart appears to be lacking slices for Iraqi military casualties and for enemy combatant irregulars in both wars.  Or are those all grouped as "civilians" since anyone who's not in  our military is an innocent peaceful civilian?

/Just asking
 
2013-02-03 07:12:05 AM  

dbirchall: I hate I_Hate_Iowa: Enemabag Jones: Don't judge people for random psychological abilities. Ability to abstract their job functions based on nature/nurture does not mean he enjoyed it.

[i.imgur.com image 700x525]

So I say again, good riddance you pathological waste of humanity.

Uh... your pie chart appears to be lacking slices for Iraqi military casualties and for enemy combatant irregulars in both wars.  Or are those all grouped as "civilians" since anyone who's not in  our military is an innocent peaceful civilian?

/Just asking


I'm also curious how many Iraqi casualties are the result of sectarian violence and infighting, and not the result of US Combat Action in general.
 
2013-02-03 07:18:56 AM  
I respect his service. But still see this as another sign of our farked up gun culture.
 
2013-02-03 07:22:29 AM  

Aussie_As: publikenemy: Langdon_777: publikenemy: ....

Agreed..Point i was trying to make is that when the guy who's currently Sec of State says: "You can study hard and do well, or if you don't you could get stuck in Iraq." ...it would seem to me there is a general distaste of the military in general..and I imagine that some higher up personnel who dont forget things like that may right this moment may be thinking it may be a good time to check out civilian life for good with a guy like that around.


That guy is biggest liar douchebag gold digging ketchup loving dickface ever existed..

If your interpretation of that quote is correct then I completely agree with you, but as I look at those words he's just calling George W Bush an idiot. I don't know their context admittedly.




Nah, this is just another picture of how Democrats view the military. Rep. Charles Rangel D-NY said that our armed forces come from the "lowest economic echelon we have."

There is a pattern here
 
2013-02-03 07:22:39 AM  
BronyMedic
dbirchall: I hate I_Hate_Iowa: Enemabag Jones: Don't judge people for random psychological abilities. Ability to abstract their job functions based on nature/nurture does not mean he enjoyed it.
[i.imgur.com image 700x525]
So I say again, good riddance you pathological waste of humanity.
Uh... your pie chart appears to be lacking slices for Iraqi military casualties and for enemy combatant irregulars in both wars. Or are those all grouped as "civilians" since anyone who's not in our military is an innocent peaceful civilian?
/Just asking
I'm also curious how many Iraqi casualties are the result of sectarian violence and infighting, and not the result of US Combat Action in general.


Sounds like a question of how statistics are classified, which all are a question of how we define those those numbers.

Then we go back to the question, was the second iraq war necessary. Might as well start a debate about abortion. Opinions will probably not be changed.
 
2013-02-03 07:23:52 AM  

I hate I_Hate_Iowa: Enemabag Jones: Don't judge people for random psychological abilities. Ability to abstract their job functions based on nature/nurture does not mean he enjoyed it.

He wrote a book about it and, as another poster put it, spiked the football. I've got no sympathy for the idiots who enlist to kill thousands of innocent people just so they can live off redneck welfare for the rest of their lives.

[i.imgur.com image 700x525]

So I say again, good riddance you pathological waste of humanity.

[i.imgur.com image 276x208]


Graphs are nice and all, but statistics and graphs can be manipulated. I don't see enemy combatants on your graph. Are they left off of it or included in with the civilians? If they're just left off the graph, why?

I'm not trying to justify ANY civilian deaths or say that going to war was right, I'm just interested in getting complete information. When people with agendas post skewed facts it just makes me disregard whatever data they're presenting as biased. Both sides do it. I understand why. But if you really want the people with open minds to consider your argument: you might want to try and present better data...

Just sayin.
 
2013-02-03 07:25:56 AM  

BronyMedic: dbirchall: I hate I_Hate_Iowa: Enemabag Jones: Don't judge people for random psychological abilities. Ability to abstract their job functions based on nature/nurture does not mean he enjoyed it.

[i.imgur.com image 700x525]

So I say again, good riddance you pathological waste of humanity.

Uh... your pie chart appears to be lacking slices for Iraqi military casualties and for enemy combatant irregulars in both wars.  Or are those all grouped as "civilians" since anyone who's not in  our military is an innocent peaceful civilian?

/Just asking

I'm also curious how many Iraqi casualties are the result of sectarian violence and infighting, and not the result of US Combat Action in general.


This.
Guess I should've read farther before posting...
 
2013-02-03 07:26:21 AM  

Enemabag Jones: Then we go back to the question, was the second iraq war necessary. Might as well start a debate about abortion. Opinions will probably not be changed.


Not really. There's a simple answer to it: No. We should have NEVER gotten involved in Iraq. But that blame lies with our previous administration, and the people who were so willing to be swayed in the months after 9/11 into war frenzy because of the desire for revenge.

That said, any soldier who committed an atrocity should also have the blame lay with them. That includes people who tortured others. (Which is a whole other debate on it's own, whether situational grey areas can justify torture, and the fact that torture-obtained information is usually inaccurate)
 
2013-02-03 07:28:05 AM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: This.
Guess I should've read farther before posting...


This is one of the areas which projects like Iraqi Body Count have been harshly criticized about. IIRC, IBC in particular was counting any unnatural death after the end of combat operations as a coalition-caused, combat related death, regardless of the affiliation or reason why those involved were killed - basically lumping someone killed in a firefight with the Iraqi Army with a child killed by a drone strike.
 
2013-02-03 07:28:58 AM  

publikenemy: Rep. Charles Rangel D-NY said that our armed forces come from the "lowest economic echelon we have."


This is a factual statement.

It seems more like you really want to take offense where there is none just to fit the narrative you have been fed.
 
2013-02-03 07:30:04 AM  
NameDot
From where I sit this is close enough: Sociopath does not have as complete or complex an understanding that what they do is wrong and a psychopath does. So if you write a book about what you do that causes others to think of you as 'crazy'. Not that this man was but this is the internet not a college class or a job.

Sociopath vs psychopath.  I know someone, that probably is in denial enough that would not murder as a premeditated choice, but makes enough abstractions about their own life would happily murder if it was him/her vs another person in a snap decision and then justify those decision after the fact.

I don't know what to call it but it looks enough like evil to me.  The rest is all lines in the sand.
 
2013-02-03 07:31:27 AM  

crab66: publikenemy: Rep. Charles Rangel D-NY said that our armed forces come from the "lowest economic echelon we have."

This is a factual statement.

It seems more like you really want to take offense where there is none just to fit the narrative you have been fed.


There is truth in that. While yes, highly educated people do enlist in the military, they are often doing so in Non-Combatant positions - such as Medical Doctors, Nurses, Engineers, and Lawyers - to pay off massive amounts of student debt, and receiving direct commissions into the officer corps.

The problem is that we've created a system that, unless you're at the top of your class academically, the only way for a person to achieve a higher level of education is either to enlist in the military right out of high school, or work a bottom-rung job and take out major, long-term loans to pay for it.
 
2013-02-03 07:31:55 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Killing people with a gun makes you a hero.  Except when it makes you a criminal.

It's an interesting distinction we make.


We do seem to throw the "hero" tag around too readily.  Before pulling the trigger, the guy with PTSD was probably also considered a "hero" by many.

/surprised and thankful this isn't more common
//farking tragic
 
2013-02-03 07:47:12 AM  

factoryconnection: What I feel will make this even more sad is if we find out that the argument that started this was over something as trivial as a Navy v Marines pissing contest.  Rest your oars, sailor.


Did you even read the article? The shooter had PTSD. They were trying to get him used to gunfire again without him going crazy and it didn't work. Probably not the best idea, but this former sniper was doing it for a living so I assume he was following the text book.
 
2013-02-03 07:47:20 AM  
Why hasn't Susan Rice called this a terrorist attack? Hillary needs to explain why she is lying to the American people
 
2013-02-03 07:49:05 AM  

give me doughnuts: Just_a_Bear: what was that about the need for better treatment for mental illnesses?

Especially for returning troops. The suicide rate anong Iraq and Afghanistan vets is appalling.


This guy was receiving treatment for mental illness when it happened... Didn't you read the article?
 
2013-02-03 07:51:22 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: ontariolightning: So he shot a lot of people who were just defending their country from an invading force in an illegal war and that = an America hero?

I'm not too upset.

Sooo, by that logic, there's no tragedy in the deaths of any American soldiers who fired on anyone in Iraq.

Disagree with our nation's military goals, fine. But you're just being a dick about the death of someone who you know nothing about beyond a few highlights of their military career, with nothing further (let alone anything useful or insightful) to offer.

/yes, we should never have gone to Iraq


You have to remember that the Westboro Baptist Church is made up of democrat politicians. All Democrats hate soldiers.
 
2013-02-03 07:54:56 AM  

justtray: Thank god shooting spree killers never target gun ranges because they're so well armed.

Also, thankfully, one of the many armed heroes was able to stop this guy before he could commit terror. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.... except when they don't.


So what you're saying is you don't even know what a shooting spree is?
 
2013-02-03 07:55:44 AM  
Was someone boinking someone else's wife?
 
2013-02-03 07:56:19 AM  

crab66: publikenemy: Rep. Charles Rangel D-NY said that our armed forces come from the "lowest economic echelon we have."

This is a factual statement.

It seems more like you really want to take offense where there is none just to fit the narrative you have been fed.


I think the question to be asking is whether military recruitment officers tend to position themselves geographically where they're going to find folk from the low economic echelon. People who enlist themselves without the assistance of recruiters may well be from a broader range of economic backgrounds.
 
2013-02-03 07:58:06 AM  

halB: I'm shocked.

If a man starts shooting people at a gun range, you would figure he would be put down by everyone else at the range as an act of self defense.

I have no idea how he made it away from that range, unless it was a backwoods range where you only find a handful of people shooting.

At a range with 10+ people, that guy would've been toast from the first shot.


Because it was a PTSD recovery session and the guy went all PTSD thinking everyone were terrorists. They were trying to capture, not kill.
 
2013-02-03 07:59:53 AM  
Meh. Everybody dies sometime.
 
2013-02-03 08:03:42 AM  

Bullseyed: give me doughnuts: Just_a_Bear: what was that about the need for better treatment for mental illnesses?

Especially for returning troops. The suicide rate anong Iraq and Afghanistan vets is appalling.

This guy was receiving treatment for mental illness when it happened... Didn't you read the article?


The article says the guy is said to have PTSD. It doesn't mention treatment. You've read something in the article that actually isn't there. The adequacy of treatment, if any, is also questionable.
 
2013-02-03 08:04:28 AM