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(The New York Times)   The burning question: Is self-immolation worth it?   (nytimes.com) divider line 80
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2013-02-03 05:40:29 AM
I sympathize, but I don't think setting fire to yourself is the best way to raise awareness. When you do that, most people think "damn those people are crazy". They need to have an effective communication campaign, build relationships, and create allies. They should probably partner up with the Jews in some way actually.
 
2013-02-03 05:41:57 AM
Join the club! Whiskey, neat, is the prescription for chills and an excess of life... Cheers!

/Also vodak, gin, tequila, rum, beer, wine, jägermeister, Four Loko and vanilla extract will work. I'm sure I left something off the list, but that's probably because I already drank it and I can't see it sitting on the liquor desk.
 
2013-02-03 05:49:40 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Tank Man in Tienanmen Square was the same, even though he didn't get run over by the tank.


I will go to my grave worshiping that guy. Yeah, perhaps it was a stunt. But it's it's been decades and I still want to shake that man's hand.

A full year of TF for any man with the nerve to step in front of a line of tanks. Sometimes our stupid stunts are worth it.

Badass MF. That is all.
 
2013-02-03 05:51:15 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: The Snow Dog: Only in wintertime and you're out of booze. Under no circumstances should you use booze as an accelerant, though. If you have enough booze, you're still good. If all you have is methanol, though, drink half real quick and then fire it up; you're beyond hope.

Very true, I'm just trying to drink myself to death.
/Fear of fire kinda but I am farkin' cold right now.



Hey, that is what I'm doing too!
Drinking IS all it's cracked up to be!
Cause of/answer to yada yada.
Think it might be time for another vodak pepperoncinitoni. (Vodka and pickled pepperoncini juice FTW...NL,AL {for the well ... not loss, at least})
 
2013-02-03 05:51:58 AM
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2013-02-03 05:58:15 AM
Is it worth it? If you get press, maybe. It's a powerful political message which draws a lot of notice and a lot of support... if people are paying attention. The issue is, I've only heard of like 2 of the 99 Tibetans who have set themselves on fire. They need better PR.
 
2013-02-03 06:17:24 AM

justoneznot: I sympathize, but I don't think setting fire to yourself is the best way to raise awareness. When you do that, most people think "damn those people are crazy". They need to have an effective communication campaign, build relationships, and create allies. They should probably partner up with the Jews in some way actually.


FWIW, we actually had a wave of autoimmolations here this past summer. This is a blog entry I wrote on the topic:  http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/putting-out-fires/">http://blogs.tim esofisrael.com/putting-out-fires/
 
2013-02-03 06:33:48 AM
NYT: As Self-Immolations Near 100, Tibetans Question the Effect

Me: Another self-appointed-faux-sage-observation-from-the-suburbs-NYT-article. Yes, China's human rights records suck. We get that. I also know that the NYT has run 4 times as many immolation stories than there were immolations in the same period. But that Magical Number of 100 is just so sexxaay to journalists and oh-so "foreign" to the subscribers of the bucolic wonderland of Long Island that it needs....nay - demands - 421 stories over a 4 year period. Yes? Of course, it makes perfect sense for those consumed by the tri-state-look-at-me-mindset.

We get it. The NYT hates China. We also get that it might be slow news month. Does the grey lady have another cause célèbre we can get worked up about that will boost subscriptions handy for next Sunday? Or is that all you NYT folks got?

FTA: The Tibetan self-immolations began in 2009 as protests against China's rule in Tibetan regions of the country.

I feel for the Tibetans, but I also know of a pretty important suicide issue closer to home......just something to keep in mind.
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2013-02-03 08:24:55 AM

Seth'n'Spectrum: RamboFrog: At least with self-immoation you can say you didn't quit - you were fired. (Just like Joan of Arc.)

But... Joan of Arc didn't set herself on fire, did she?


It was the English and the cowardly French who did it.  In any case, she was a girl on fire and her whole world was on fire.
 
2013-02-03 08:37:03 AM
It's certainly worth it to me.
 
2013-02-03 09:19:29 AM
"And how come we have been given less support than what we witnessed in the Arab world?"

You should have asked that question oilier.
 
2013-02-03 09:43:10 AM
Burning is the worst way I could think of to go. Any idiot that does it to themselves and somehow lives should be given enough medical care to keep 'em from dying but not enough painkiller to keep 'em from screaming. And offered a lethal injection at week-long intervals.
/yes, been burned nastilly, and no, it wasn't on purpose.
 
2013-02-03 09:48:53 AM
hunger strikes worked for ghandi.  now people do them all the time and no one cares.  suicide bombers initially got everyone's attention with shock value, but even that is overplayed.
 
2013-02-03 10:30:32 AM
On the one hand, probably not. On the other hand, it's interesting that this article is running just days after it was revealed that the NY Times was hacked by the Chinese. I wonder how our Chinese overlords friends would feel about this message- I'm guessing they would heartily agree. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go stock up on rain water and grain alcohol.
 
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2013-02-03 10:37:08 AM

Rufus Lee King: BTW, it's been a long time since I read any high school history books, but I'm wondering if the whole Vietnam thing is even mentioned, or is it all "crimethink" now?


It's talked about, but less than when I was a high school student in the nineties. Worse, the local reasons for it are also talked about less, with the emphasis being on it as one more geopolitical conflict.

The US domestic situation is more emphasized though.
 
2013-02-03 11:29:31 AM
Yeah it seems that this only helps the chinese. Oh your a dicident and you don't like us??? So... you set yourself on fire and died. Yeah we are OK with that.
 
2013-02-03 11:34:08 AM

eyeq360: It was the English and the cowardly FrenchBurgundians who did it. In any case, she was a girl on fire and her whole world was on fire.


Sorry, minor quibble.

homelessdude: I also know that the NYT has run 4 times as many immolation stories than there were immolations in the same period.


I clicked on your link and the first few articles that popped up were about immolations in Tunisia and Morocco, not Tibet. And given that the Arab Spring (within last four years) was kicked off by an immolation, it would kind of mind sense to have an abnormally large number of stories with that search term somewhere in the text.
 
2013-02-03 11:52:25 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: At this point it seems they're just making ashes of themselves


*slow clap*
 
2013-02-03 12:09:21 PM
Well seeing how it helps spark the Arab Spring in Tunisia, resulting the over throw of several dictators, I'd say sometimes it's pretty effective.

/Seriously farkers, do you have any knowledge of recent events?
//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Bouazizi if you don't know what I'm talking about
///Still can't figure out this new format
 
2013-02-03 12:13:12 PM
Watch the movie seven psychopaths.
 
2013-02-03 12:14:39 PM
"The number of Tibetans who have set themselves on fire to protest Chinese rule inTibet had reached 99, one short of an anguished milestone. "

And what should pop into my head?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9whehyybLqU

/99 luftballons
 
2013-02-03 12:27:42 PM
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2013-02-03 12:40:34 PM

Seth'n'Spectrum: eyeq360: It was the English and the cowardly FrenchBurgundians who did it. In any case, she was a girl on fire and her whole world was on fire.

Sorry, minor quibble.

homelessdude: I also know that the NYT has run 4 times as many immolation stories than there were immolations in the same period.

I clicked on your link and the first few articles that popped up were about immolations in Tunisia and Morocco, not Tibet. And given that the Arab Spring (within last four years) was kicked off by an immolation, it would kind of mind sense to have an abnormally large number of stories with that search term somewhere in the text.



Yeah, its not a perfect search. I could have shaped it out better for certain.

My thing with the NYT is that I have very little expectation that their reporting these days is based in reasons other than giving relevant news. Yet, they are so often cited as a source it is maddening. I don't discount that people in Tibet are being pounded by the Chinese, but as noted upthread, it is a curious coincidence with the recent Chinese hacking story. Whether it is true or not will always be speculative, but the NYT has not given my much reason to trust their reporting activities as being that honest. Too often they seem to be letting article authors shill for their upcoming book release as opposed to timely reporting.

I will admit the NYT still does a lot of things well, but they are not as much the comprehensive news source with impeccable credentials as they were as many readers and professionals (particularly colleagues in the media) would like everyone to believe. I just do not trust the NYT to be straight with their readers, so I am quick to dismiss them (yes, maybe too quick sometimes).
 
2013-02-03 02:07:35 PM
if there's Kerosene around, we'll find something to do...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuO3wwLuF0w
 
2013-02-03 02:12:18 PM
At what age would self immolation become a carbon-neutral decision ?  Any science types out willing to tackle this 'burning' question?

/ Inquiring minds...
 
2013-02-03 03:50:54 PM
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2013-02-03 05:33:27 PM
Hercules thinks so.
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2013-02-03 06:29:15 PM
The Tibetans should just lighten up.
 
2013-02-03 09:21:45 PM
Geez! How about just refusing to pay taxes?!
 
2013-02-04 03:50:33 AM
2.bp.blogspot.comLight my fire.
 
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