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(NewsBusters)   Newark Mayor Cory Booker: In all my years as mayor there has been only one murder ever connected to a legal gun. Legal owners are good, no problem, let's focus on the illegal guns, not legal owners   (newsbusters.org) divider line 348
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2013-02-02 11:45:16 PM
I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?
 
2013-02-02 11:50:27 PM
The more I hear about Cory Booker the more I expect to be voting for him in the next 8-12 years.  He seems like a pretty reasonable guy most of the time.  At least, compared to other politicians.
 
2013-02-02 11:51:18 PM
This just plays into the hands of those who want to confiscate all guns and ban their manufacture.

"You're right, the problem isn't a lack of gun control laws.  The problem is the presence of guns."
 
2013-02-02 11:56:35 PM
Gun thread!

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2013-02-02 11:57:32 PM

BarkingUnicorn: This just plays into the hands of those who want to confiscate all guns and ban their manufacture.

"You're right, the problem isn't a lack of gun control laws.  The problem is the presence of guns."


I'm not sure I understand this thesis. Please elaborate.
 
2013-02-02 11:59:53 PM

BarkingUnicorn: This just plays into the hands of those who want to confiscate all guns and ban their manufacture.


And just who would those people be?
 
2013-02-03 12:03:03 AM

sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?


Yeah, I'm pretty sure every gun starts out legal.
 
2013-02-03 12:03:44 AM

fusillade762: BarkingUnicorn: This just plays into the hands of those who want to confiscate all guns and ban their manufacture.

"You're right, the problem isn't a lack of gun control laws.  The problem is the presence of guns."

I'm not sure I understand this thesis. Please elaborate.


If there were no guns, there would be no gun crime. Taa Daa... problem solved!
 
2013-02-03 12:04:06 AM
All that means is we need to prevent illegal gun sales and theft.
It does not absolve gun owners of any responsibility.
 
2013-02-03 12:07:41 AM

Lionel Mandrake: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure every gun starts out legal.


So there is no room to blame dumbass legal owners that "are good, no problem"?
 
2013-02-03 12:27:51 AM

fusillade762: BarkingUnicorn: This just plays into the hands of those who want to confiscate all guns and ban their manufacture.

"You're right, the problem isn't a lack of gun control laws.  The problem is the presence of guns."

I'm not sure I understand this thesis. Please elaborate.


Booker says that virtually all gun murders are committed by criminals.  If there were no guns, criminals could not get hold of them.
 
2013-02-03 12:30:32 AM

BarkingUnicorn: fusillade762: BarkingUnicorn: This just plays into the hands of those who want to confiscate all guns and ban their manufacture.

"You're right, the problem isn't a lack of gun control laws.  The problem is the presence of guns."

I'm not sure I understand this thesis. Please elaborate.

Booker says that virtually all gun murders are committed by criminals.  If there were no guns, criminals could not get hold of them.


I'm not sure that makes any more sense than your Boobies.
 
2013-02-03 12:31:07 AM
Dammit.
 
2013-02-03 12:31:15 AM

sno man: Lionel Mandrake: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure every gun starts out legal.

So there is no room to blame dumbass legal owners that "are good, no problem"?


Of course there is.  My point was that they all start out legal, until they are made illegal because some dipshiat lost it, gave it away, sold it for a fix, etc.  The person that turned it into an illegal gun bears some responsibility with whatever becomes of that weapon.
 
2013-02-03 12:31:52 AM

sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?


Likely not many.  Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers.
 
2013-02-03 12:32:23 AM

fusillade762: Dammit.


embrace the boobies...
 
2013-02-03 12:34:43 AM

Lsherm: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

Likely not many.  Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers.


If only there were universal background checks... Taa Daa...
 
2013-02-03 12:35:43 AM

fusillade762: BarkingUnicorn: fusillade762: BarkingUnicorn: This just plays into the hands of those who want to confiscate all guns and ban their manufacture.

"You're right, the problem isn't a lack of gun control laws.  The problem is the presence of guns."

I'm not sure I understand this thesis. Please elaborate.

Booker says that virtually all gun murders are committed by criminals.  If there were no guns, criminals could not get hold of them.

I'm not sure that makes any more sense than your Boobies.


It makes perfect sense.  How can there be gun crimes if there are no guns?
 
2013-02-03 12:38:07 AM

sno man: Lsherm: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

Likely not many.  Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers.

If only there were universal background checks... Taa Daa...


If only there were universal background checks of databases that contained perfectly complete data!
 
2013-02-03 12:40:22 AM

sno man: Lsherm: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

Likely not many.  Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers.

If only there were universal background checks... Taa Daa...


How would that work without a registry?
 
2013-02-03 12:40:47 AM

BarkingUnicorn: sno man: Lsherm: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

Likely not many.  Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers.

If only there were universal background checks... Taa Daa...

If only there were universal background checks of databases that contained perfectly complete data!


Yea the whole detail thing really gets in the way of good idea sound bites.
 
2013-02-03 12:43:34 AM

Frank N Stein: sno man: Lsherm: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

Likely not many.  Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers.

If only there were universal background checks... Taa Daa...

How would that work without a registry?


You don't need a registry.  You do need an impossibly integrated system of local state and federal cooperation.
 
2013-02-03 01:07:03 AM
Yet Another Gun Thread + Newsbusters?  I'm out.
 
2013-02-03 01:07:31 AM

sno man: Frank N Stein: sno man: Lsherm: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

Likely not many.  Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers.

If only there were universal background checks... Taa Daa...

How would that work without a registry?

You don't need a registry.  You do need an impossibly integrated system of local state and federal cooperation.


I don't see how the most perfect background check system could stop straw purchases.
 
2013-02-03 01:08:42 AM
The man made a correct observation that speaks honestly about the situation. Don't derp it up Dems.
 
2013-02-03 01:11:03 AM

BarkingUnicorn: sno man: Frank N Stein: sno man: Lsherm: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

Likely not many.  Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers.

If only there were universal background checks... Taa Daa...

How would that work without a registry?

You don't need a registry.  You do need an impossibly integrated system of local state and federal cooperation.

I don't see how the most perfect background check system could stop straw purchases.


Any idea how prevalent that actually is?
 
2013-02-03 01:15:51 AM
If guns are made illegal then only illegals will have guns.

Am I doing it right?
 
2013-02-03 01:17:23 AM

sno man: If only there were universal background checks... Taa Daa...


I know, right?  It'd totally work!

Guy goes into a gun shop, buys a pistol for his buddy which is already punishable by 10 years in prison and he's TOTALLY going to tell the guy who can't legally own a gun that he needs to go through the instant background check system before he hands it off.

That'll work.
 
2013-02-03 01:17:28 AM

sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?


I wish the NRA would remember it's former pro-gun safety self, rather than it's current anti-regulation lobbyist self.
 
2013-02-03 01:19:00 AM

Mrbogey: The man made a correct observation that speaks honestly about the situation. Don't derp it up Dems.


But that's the thing, it's not really honest.  It's what we all want to be honest...
 
2013-02-03 01:19:36 AM

russlar: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

I wish the NRA would remember it's former pro-gun safety self, rather than it's current anti-regulation lobbyist self.


Nope, I'm fine with them fighting regulation. Have you seen Feinsteins bill?
 
2013-02-03 01:20:06 AM

Sir-Marx-A-Lot: If guns are made illegal then only illegals will have guns.

Am I doing it right?


- It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
- Live simply, that others may simply live.
- The purpose of life is a life of purpose.

Yep. Any trite statement sounds deep if you flip it around.

- It's not how much dirt you can put in your shovel, it's how many shovels you can put in your dirt

See?
 
2013-02-03 01:21:22 AM

Frank N Stein: Nope, I'm fine with them fighting regulation. Have you seen Feinsteins bill?


No, but you're married to her so I'm guessing you have?

/Feinstein, Frank Stein ... blah.
 
2013-02-03 01:22:32 AM

sno man: BarkingUnicorn: sno man: Frank N Stein: sno man: Lsherm: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

Likely not many.  Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers.

If only there were universal background checks... Taa Daa...

How would that work without a registry?

You don't need a registry.  You do need an impossibly integrated system of local state and federal cooperation.

I don't see how the most perfect background check system could stop straw purchases.

Any idea how prevalent that actually is?


Nope.  Someone else higher in this post said, "Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers."

Here's a bit of info about stolen and lost guns; bring your own salt.  I'm surprised that only a few States require gun owners to report lost or stolen guns, and the Feds only require licensed dealers to do so.

THE PROBLEM OF LOST AND STOLEN GUNS
Guns stolen from dealers: In 2007, after inspecting just 9.3% of federal firearms licensees nationwide, ATF reported that more than 30,000 guns in the dealers' inventories had been lost or stolen.
Guns stolen from homes: Almost 600,000 guns are stolen each year from private homes, according to poll data on gun-owning households.
 
2013-02-03 01:25:15 AM

BarkingUnicorn: sno man: BarkingUnicorn: sno man: Frank N Stein: sno man: Lsherm: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

Likely not many.  Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers.

If only there were universal background checks... Taa Daa...

How would that work without a registry?

You don't need a registry.  You do need an impossibly integrated system of local state and federal cooperation.

I don't see how the most perfect background check system could stop straw purchases.

Any idea how prevalent that actually is?

Nope.  Someone else higher in this post said, "Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers."

Here's a bit of info about stolen and lost guns; bring your own salt.  I'm surprised that only a few States require gun owners to report lost or stolen guns, and the Feds only require licensed dealers to do so.

THE PROBLEM OF LOST AND STOLEN GUNS
Guns stolen from dealers: In 2007, after inspecting just 9.3% of federal firearms licensees nationwide, ATF reported that more than 30,000 guns in the dealers' inventories had been lost or stolen.
Guns stolen from homes: Almost 600,000 guns are stolen each year from private homes, according to poll data on gun-owning households.


Biased organization that doesn't cite it's sources? Seems legit.
 
2013-02-03 01:25:16 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Guns stolen from homes: Almost 600,000 guns are stolen each year from private homes, according to poll data on gun-owning households.


If only they had something.. like guns.. to protect their guns...
 
2013-02-03 01:25:50 AM

Frank N Stein: it's


Sorry Bob the Angry Flower.
 
2013-02-03 01:26:13 AM

sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?


I don't think too many of these people think about that aspect of the whole issue. Too many people keep guns in nightstand drawers, in closets, under beds, etc, where someone who breaks in when the people who live there are not home (which is when I would do it, many of these houses in the burbs have no one watching during the day) can easily find them and sell them for cash.

I would be willing to bet many of those "illegal" guns start out "legally" in people's houses.

Trigger lock + locked safe away from the main part of the house (garage, basement) + ammunition in a separate room = smart.
 
2013-02-03 01:29:12 AM

rewind2846: Trigger lock + locked safe away from the main part of the house (garage, basement) + ammunition in a separate room = smart.


That seems a bit overboard. I mean, if the guns got a trigger lock AND is locked away in a separate part of the house... why worry about where the ammo is? It just seems kinda pointless.
 
2013-02-03 01:30:05 AM

davidphogan: The more I hear about Cory Booker the more I expect to be voting for him in the next 8-12 years.  He seems like a pretty reasonable guy most of the time.  At least, compared to other politicians.


I look forward to voting for him on a national level.
The guy actually gives a fark.
He better farking run for president in the next two cycles.
No matter your affiliation, you cant not like him.
 
2013-02-03 01:30:38 AM

BarkingUnicorn: sno man: BarkingUnicorn: sno man: Frank N Stein: sno man: Lsherm: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

Likely not many.  Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers.

If only there were universal background checks... Taa Daa...

How would that work without a registry?

You don't need a registry.  You do need an impossibly integrated system of local state and federal cooperation.

I don't see how the most perfect background check system could stop straw purchases.

Any idea how prevalent that actually is?

Nope.  Someone else higher in this post said, "Illegal guns are usually obtained by sales from straw buyers."

Here's a bit of info about stolen and lost guns; bring your own salt.  I'm surprised that only a few States require gun owners to report lost or stolen guns, and the Feds only require licensed dealers to do so.

THE PROBLEM OF LOST AND STOLEN GUNS
Guns stolen from dealers: In 2007, after inspecting just 9.3% of federal firearms licensees nationwide, ATF reported that more than 30,000 guns in the dealers' inventories had been lost or stolen.
Guns stolen from homes: Almost 600,000 guns are stolen each year from private homes, according to poll data on gun-owning households.


That math leans to my asshat legal owner post at the top of this thread... and the only a few states thing goes to my "impossibly integrated system of local state and federal cooperation" post...
 
2013-02-03 01:34:33 AM

sno man: Mrbogey: The man made a correct observation that speaks honestly about the situation. Don't derp it up Dems.

But that's the thing, it's not really honest.  It's what we all want to be honest...


By all means, show your evidence that Cory Booker was wrong and that murders in his town are conducted by people who bought their guns legally.
 
2013-02-03 01:36:59 AM

rewind2846: sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?

I don't think too many of these people think about that aspect of the whole issue. Too many people keep guns in nightstand drawers, in closets, under beds, etc, where someone who breaks in when the people who live there are not home (which is when I would do it, many of these houses in the burbs have no one watching during the day) can easily find them and sell them for cash.

I would be willing to bet many of those "illegal" guns start out "legally" in people's houses.

Trigger lock + locked safe away from the main part of the house (garage, basement) + ammunition in a separate room = smart.


How is storing your ammo separately and putting a trigger lock on your firearm going to stop someone from stealing it?
 
2013-02-03 01:37:45 AM

Mrbogey: sno man: Mrbogey: The man made a correct observation that speaks honestly about the situation. Don't derp it up Dems.

But that's the thing, it's not really honest.  It's what we all want to be honest...

By all means, show your evidence that Cory Booker was wrong and that murders in his town are conducted by people who bought their guns legally.


it's the next line... that legal owners are without blame... read the rest of the thread.
 
2013-02-03 01:40:11 AM

Frank N Stein: rewind2846: Trigger lock + locked safe away from the main part of the house (garage, basement) + ammunition in a separate room = smart.

That seems a bit overboard. I mean, if the guns got a trigger lock AND is locked away in a separate part of the house... why worry about where the ammo is? It just seems kinda pointless.



Might have something to do with preventing someone in a fit of passion from immediately accessing a tool that can kill with the pressing of a single button. I believe the military, when not deployed in a combat zone, employs the same safety protocols with their equipment.
 
2013-02-03 01:40:36 AM

Frank N Stein: rewind2846: Trigger lock + locked safe away from the main part of the house (garage, basement) + ammunition in a separate room = smart.

That seems a bit overboard. I mean, if the guns got a trigger lock AND is locked away in a separate part of the house... why worry about where the ammo is? It just seems kinda pointless.


Because children, especially older children, can break locks. Ammunition should always be stored away from the weapon as a matter of safety, until you want to use it. The safe (bolted to the wall or floor) is so that thieves can't get the weapon.
This is what my brother tells me, and is part of his training as a corrections officer (23 years). There is no such thing as "overkill" when dealing with such objects.
 
2013-02-03 01:41:30 AM

sno man: it's the next line... that legal owners are without blame... read the rest of the thread.


I did.

The logic is strained and ridiculous. The gov'ts PSAs blaming people who smoked weed for terrorism did a better job with extrapolating blame.
 
2013-02-03 01:43:49 AM

Darth Macho: Frank N Stein: rewind2846: Trigger lock + locked safe away from the main part of the house (garage, basement) + ammunition in a separate room = smart.

That seems a bit overboard. I mean, if the guns got a trigger lock AND is locked away in a separate part of the house... why worry about where the ammo is? It just seems kinda pointless.


Might have something to do with preventing someone in a fit of passion from immediately accessing a tool that can kill with the pressing of a single button. I believe the military, when not deployed in a combat zone, employs the same safety protocols with their equipment.


rewind2846: Frank N Stein: rewind2846: Trigger lock + locked safe away from the main part of the house (garage, basement) + ammunition in a separate room = smart.

That seems a bit overboard. I mean, if the guns got a trigger lock AND is locked away in a separate part of the house... why worry about where the ammo is? It just seems kinda pointless.

Because children, especially older children, can break locks. Ammunition should always be stored away from the weapon as a matter of safety, until you want to use it. The safe (bolted to the wall or floor) is so that thieves can't get the weapon.
This is what my brother tells me, and is part of his training as a corrections officer (23 years). There is no such thing as "overkill" when dealing with such objects.


It just seems odd to me, is all. I mean, I understand it and everything. But I just grew up with a different anecdote. Not only did I know where the old man's shotguns were, but I was also instructed in their operation in case someone broke in the house when I was home alone.
 
2013-02-03 01:43:54 AM

sno man: I watched that last night, and my first question was this... I wonder how many of those illegal guns became illegal by theft from legal owners that keep their guns like a dumbass?


"From my cold, dead ha-OOPS"
 
2013-02-03 01:43:57 AM
Mrbogey:
How is storing your ammo separately and putting a trigger lock on your firearm going to stop someone from stealing it?

You forgot the part about the locked safe bolted to the concrete floor or wall studs. If they can rip a safe away from that, they don't need a gun to kill anyone, they can do it with their bare hands.
 
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