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2013-02-02 07:00:08 PM  
10 votes:
Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.
2013-02-02 07:40:04 PM  
4 votes:
I had a landlord tell me my dog violated the lease, which barred tenents from having pitbulls. My dog was a bassette hound. She made me prove it by bringing a letter from the vet. Dog racism: almost as stupid as people racism.

/Whar dog birf certificate!?
2013-02-02 09:22:51 PM  
3 votes:

Ow! That was my feelings!: DPXFP2: Dogs that are big enough need to be socialized to children to know that they're family.

When you're a big animal that evolved to hunt like that your natural assumption when you see something little scurrying around is "hey, food!"

Nevertheless, I don't know about pitbulls. I'm sure people freak out about them unduly, but I would not want a dog that had that kind of killing power.

WTH? ALL dogs need to be properly socialized. The worst dogs I've been around have been the ankle biter variety. Why? Cause their farking owners don't think they need to be trained because they are small.


Holy shiat, THIS. If you can't (or won't) care for your dogs, you don't deserve to own one.

Pit Bulls are big lugs who naturally love people. All of the biting/killing stories come from neglect and/or abuse. The problem is that the breed is viewed as a status symbol in certain circles for it's fighting prowess, and to get the dog to adopt that mindset, abuse is needed. Pits aren't born that way.
2013-02-02 08:19:33 PM  
3 votes:
We need a law similar to Canada's "Truth in Journalism" act. Media could still say anything it wants to as long as non-factual pieces are clearly marked "Editorial" or "Opinion." Anything presented as an actual news item needs to meet certain basic fact-checking standards. The rights of the people to be given factual, unsensationalized news on which to base their decisions outweighs the right of media to enjoy completely uncontrolled, anarchical "free speach."

Lying or exagerating in a news story needs to be treated as the journalistic equivalent of shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater. I'm looking at YOU, Faux News (though all media's guilty to some extent.)
2013-02-02 07:45:21 PM  
3 votes:
Every pitbull I've ever come across has been sweet as hell.
2013-02-02 07:42:49 PM  
3 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?


Citation needed.

I've yet to see more than one story of a dog just eating a baby, and that was a daschund. Y'know, the breed responsible for the most bites per capita but no one cares because they're tiny?

Most stories about pit bull attacks I've read start with "He got out of his kennel." or "His chain broke." That's an immediate pardon for the dog. I'll chain you naked to a tree and leave you some dirty water in a pie plate if you like. Tell me you'd be sane after the first few weeks.
2013-02-02 07:38:31 PM  
3 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?


Many of them are indeed lying, others lack the ability to self-reflect. Abusers hardly ever think of themselves as abusers, you know.
2013-02-02 10:49:39 PM  
2 votes:

catsfish: I've spent a lot of time on crutches over the last 3 years. For some reason a lot of those dogs don't like people on crutches. I've had four instances  of being lunged at/snapped at/cornered. My 8yr old son was with me for two of them.

I know two people who think those dogs can go DIAF.


And my rescue is scared of ball throwers because some ass beat him with a stick at some point. And you're walking around waving two really huge sticks.
2013-02-02 10:48:04 PM  
2 votes:

vinniethepoo: We need a law similar to Canada's "Truth in Journalism" act. Media could still say anything it wants to as long as non-factual pieces are clearly marked "Editorial" or "Opinion." Anything presented as an actual news item needs to meet certain basic fact-checking standards. The rights of the people to be given factual, unsensationalized news on which to base their decisions outweighs the right of media to enjoy completely uncontrolled, anarchical "free speach."

Lying or exagerating in a news story needs to be treated as the journalistic equivalent of shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater. I'm looking at YOU, Faux News (though all media's guilty to some extent.)


The trouble is that everybody's got an expert, and a corporation can hire more experts than an individual. So we're stuck having to think for ourselves...again
2013-02-02 10:05:51 PM  
2 votes:

Wolfling: So... there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's 'The Internet'.

The article (which defends pitbulls) quotes an article from the Forensic Science Journal, but fails to quote this from it:

The six breeds most commonly identified as vicious are Akita, Chow (Chow Chow), Doberman, Pit Bull,Rottweiler, and Wolf-mix

Ta-da!


It says "identified by insurance companies".  The key to realizing it's retarded information is seeing "Wolf-mix" listed, of which there are so few around that you'd more likely be hit by a meteor.
2013-02-02 09:42:14 PM  
2 votes:
Yay!
My first Green!
After hundreds of tries, I finally get a green.
I'm so proud!
/and drunk
2013-02-02 09:28:53 PM  
2 votes:
The only time I "get ready" while walking my boy around the apartment complex and another dog comes around, is if the dog is physically able to inflict serious harm very quickly.  That includes lovable Mr. Golden Retriever.

Dogs are easy to read.  They can't fake or lie.  Their posturing is an easy give away.

Yeah yeah, someone reply with the reporter getting her face mauled by the police dog.  Unfortunate for her.  To that dog, that was just a "WTF GET AWAY!" that went wrong.  If that dog could use the castle doctrine, it would.

That was probably my mostest dumbest comment here ever.

I love dogs and miss having one.

/whippets FTW
2013-02-02 09:08:38 PM  
2 votes:

Gleeman: Statistics, how do they work?

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.


Even the CDC says those numbers are at best unreliable.

Try again.

Mostly because of this:

hellinahandbasket.net
2013-02-02 09:06:01 PM  
2 votes:
When I was in High School, a classmate invited me over to his house after school. When I got there, a small yappy dog tried to scare me away, and I thought he would bite me. His other dog, an American Pit Bull/Labrador mix protected me from the smaller dog as I rang the doorbell and waited to be invited in. The Pit mix dog knew I was a stranger, and growled and postured menacingly, but I acted like I had an invitation.
When my friend greeted me warmly at the door, the Pit mix changed his attitude and posture, but still had to continue protecting me from the smaller dog.

One of the smartest dogs I have ever known.
2013-02-02 09:05:55 PM  
2 votes:
I work in landscaping, so I often enter yards with dogs I have never met beforr, without their owners around. All of them just want love and attention. The only time I got nipped it was some 15 pound fluffy breed with a flying leap to bite my fingers. He was just playing though he was annoying.

Hell yesterday I spent an hour flanked by two german shepards that belong to an NFL hall of famer. Dogs act the way their owners teach them to act.
2013-02-02 08:24:47 PM  
2 votes:

DPXFP2: Dogs that are big enough need to be socialized to children to know that they're family.

When you're a big animal that evolved to hunt like that your natural assumption when you see something little scurrying around is "hey, food!"

Nevertheless, I don't know about pitbulls. I'm sure people freak out about them unduly, but I would not want a dog that had that kind of killing power.




WTH? ALL dogs need to be properly socialized. The worst dogs I've been around have been the ankle biter variety. Why? Cause their farking owners don't think they need to be trained because they are small.
2013-02-02 07:55:03 PM  
2 votes:
I've met a lot of pit bulls in my day.  First thing they do when they meet a new person is grab their favorite toy and show it off.  An old neighbor's pit bull would push her toys under the gate then whimper until I came downstairs and tossed them back over the fence (and spent a few minutes scratching her belly, of course).
2013-02-02 07:09:24 PM  
2 votes:
i1079.photobucket.com
2013-02-02 06:41:35 PM  
2 votes:
I have a friend who has a pitbull and I've house-sat for him a few times. One time I showed up and the dog didn't even seem to know I was there for almost an hour. So yeah, not so much the guard dog type.
2013-02-02 05:09:50 PM  
2 votes:
Watching John with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The terminator, would never stop. It would never leave him, and it would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get drunk and hit him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there. And it would die, to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.
2013-02-02 04:14:08 PM  
2 votes:
www.pitbullsontheweb.com
Petey agrees
2013-02-03 05:07:29 PM  
1 vote:
LavenderWolf:
"Aside from humans, dogs are the most intelligent beings on the planet. They are demonstrably more intelligent than chimps, parrots, dolphins, anything. Further, their intelligence is based almost entirely on empathy"

Saying something like it is fact does not make it true.
2013-02-03 11:56:30 AM  
1 vote:

DrPainMD: Pit Bulls and Rottweilers are always at the top of the list for dog attacks. Both breeds should be exterminated.


From 1/4 inch above the "statistics" you linked: "the reported breeds listed below may be inaccurate, as actual canine heritage often was not tested and was usually reported based on the visual report of a witness. Large, muscular, large-headed canines may commonly be mislabeled as "pit bulls" or "rottweilers," dramatically skewing the results below. " - At least Wikipedia is honest enough to admit that those numbers of bullshiat, now if only we can do the same for you than we'd be set.
2013-02-02 11:47:03 PM  
1 vote:
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
Pitbull slaughtering a cat
2013-02-02 10:54:41 PM  
1 vote:
Dogs aren't mindless. They reason in their own ways and have memories.
2013-02-02 10:45:46 PM  
1 vote:

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?


Yes.

I know some surgeons who've fixed a lot of dog bites over the years, and they say that it's always, "But he's such a sweet dog who's never done anything like this before." Then you happen to talk to some other family members and find out it's bitten every single one of them.
2013-02-02 10:45:06 PM  
1 vote:

Gleeman: Statistics, how do they work?


By obfuscation. The article you linked to is an example.  The methodology is egregiously flawed, but most people will skip the dense blah-blah and jump straight to the bullshiat list.

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.

The biggest parts.
2013-02-02 10:16:54 PM  
1 vote:
There are no bad dogs, there are bad dog owners. If you've never met or seen damn scary pits you've stayed out of the right neighborhoods that's all. Lowlife scumbags surround themselves with all sorts of weapons. These are the same people that are having multiple babbys with multiple babbys mommas.

There is a lad on the Main St of my little idiot town that thinks he's living on the means streets of Newark or Camden. White boy dresses like a hip hop moran and walks like he has a load in his pants. He has an out of control pit he can barely hold back on its chain leash. it is a walking cliche. Just a matter of time before some little kid gets bit up and Mr Moran is out one dog. Personally I think we should fast forward and euthanize Mr Moran.
2013-02-02 10:04:39 PM  
1 vote:

Wolfling: Spirit Hammer: Dogs reflect their owners.
If you are an ignorant dick-head, chances are that your dog will be one to.

So, am I to take it that your dog can't spell?


Did you miss the part where I was drunk?
2013-02-02 09:53:43 PM  
1 vote:
Dogs reflect their owners.
If you are an ignorant dick-head, chances are that your dog will be one to.
2013-02-02 09:42:16 PM  
1 vote:

Ghastly: doglover: Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.

Actually it's disenfranchised young men who shouldn't have dangerous things.

When was the last time you saw a black kid shoot people randomly in a school? Gangs are business, and while bloody are usually at least professional. The real crazies are a liability and get weeded out.

But suburban white kids with lots of time and money, but no friends? They plot Columbines.

Ah but the white suburbanites wouldn't need those guns their kids shoot up schools with if it weren't for those violent urban blacks with their guns and their pitbulls... and their pitbulls with guns in their mouths so that when they bark they shoot guns at you.


Trademark that. Trademark that right now.
2013-02-02 09:40:55 PM  
1 vote:

doglover: The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward


It's not cowardice to treat all dogs as dangerous until you know better.  It's common f*cking sense.  Likewise, it's common f*cking sense to realize that pits are more likely to be dangerous because they are more likely to be "cared for" by abusive owners.
2013-02-02 09:38:46 PM  
1 vote:

orclover: My son was maybe four when we picked up Pippy the pitbull from the pound.  A street runaway that the shelter staff had spent over three months training and teaching tricks.  When I picked her up she was extremely well disciplined and very well trained.  But she still was a pitbull, scary scary pitbull, big and strong. My son of course immediately started climbing all over her and roughhousing with her as soon as she got home and we got very paranoid, never left them alone for the first week, just dreading her taking his head off.  She never even grumbled, just licked his face constantly and enjoyed the attention.  Within the first few days she was sleeping in his bed with him every night right next to him.  Very sweet, adorable.  Until I walked in there in the middle of the night after hitting the bathroom at 1am, I found his face covered in blood and her next to him wimpering. I had one of those moments of time freezing, looking at her thinking "im gonna kill you dog...".  Well no, he had a nosebleed, it didnt even wake him up and she was worried about him.  But for about a half a second there!

Been 5 years and shes been sleeping in his bed every night.
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Sniffle! I really miss my old dog, and now that I have my boy I want him to have one too.  Small apartment, single Dad, no time, etc. etc.

Thanks for that man!
2013-02-02 09:33:03 PM  
1 vote:

doglover: Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.

Actually it's disenfranchised young men who shouldn't have dangerous things.

When was the last time you saw a black kid shoot people randomly in a school? Gangs are business, and while bloody are usually at least professional. The real crazies are a liability and get weeded out.

But suburban white kids with lots of time and money, but no friends? They plot Columbines.


No shiat.

I lived in the ghetto about two years ago. My parents were against it. Two weeks after I moved there was a hextuple homicide two blocks over. An argument had started at a party and someone had just gone off. Everyone who got shot was armed. My parents found out and asked me if I was worried enough to move out.

I pointed out that as long as Ashley and I didn't attend a house party full of gang members we would probably be ok. Also the weed house across the street was our neighborhood watch. They didn't need the trouble of having two white kids across the street messed with.
2013-02-02 09:33:00 PM  
1 vote:
The worst dog behavior I've ever seen was from a dachshund/beagle mix.  Dumb as a post, never properly trained or socialized.  The family that owned her got her because "the kids wanted a dog", and pretty much the only attention she got was from the 4/6 year old kids rough-housing and teasing her.  Since I had to help my now ex-gf babysit these kids I had to deal with the dog too.  One time she tried to take some food off a plate I had in my lap, and I bopped her on the nose, so she snapped at me.  She finally treated me with a bit of respect after I pinned her to the floor by her neck and held her there until she stopped struggling.
2013-02-02 09:30:30 PM  
1 vote:
My monstrous terror mauling my children:

farm9.staticflickr.com
2013-02-02 09:26:21 PM  
1 vote:

Ghastly: Gleeman: Statistics, how do they work?

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]


Poor as in bad, not as in financially. But if that's where you head is at, do go on.
2013-02-02 09:15:04 PM  
1 vote:

Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.


Actually it's disenfranchised young men who shouldn't have dangerous things.

When was the last time you saw a black kid shoot people randomly in a school? Gangs are business, and while bloody are usually at least professional. The real crazies are a liability and get weeded out.

But suburban white kids with lots of time and money, but no friends? They plot Columbines.
2013-02-02 09:06:01 PM  
1 vote:
Thanks to the media, who would never hype anything for their own gain, most attacks by pitbulls or "pitbull mixes" have in their headlines "Pitbull attacks...".  But what about an attack by any other breed?  It usually will feature a headline containing "Dog" or "Family pet" with no mention of the breed whatsoever.

Keeping the public afraid is big business for new outlets and this breed has been hit with the villain bat by the media long and hard.
2013-02-02 09:04:16 PM  
1 vote:

DrRatchet: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 610x343]

Just try to get close to that baby!


I was coming to post that...

/and the reason dogs seem dangerous now is the same reason everything seems more dangerous.
/the irresponsible acts of a few humans get carried by the echo chamber of modern media.
2013-02-02 09:01:45 PM  
1 vote:
^I agree with the black lab comment up there. I had my face munched on by an insane black lab.

I had a boxer/pit mix. Biggest baby ever. He frequently got beat up by my roommate's cat.
2013-02-02 09:00:48 PM  
1 vote:
My son was maybe four when we picked up Pippy the pitbull from the pound.  A street runaway that the shelter staff had spent over three months training and teaching tricks.  When I picked her up she was extremely well disciplined and very well trained.  But she still was a pitbull, scary scary pitbull, big and strong. My son of course immediately started climbing all over her and roughhousing with her as soon as she got home and we got very paranoid, never left them alone for the first week, just dreading her taking his head off.  She never even grumbled, just licked his face constantly and enjoyed the attention.  Within the first few days she was sleeping in his bed with him every night right next to him.  Very sweet, adorable.  Until I walked in there in the middle of the night after hitting the bathroom at 1am, I found his face covered in blood and her next to him wimpering. I had one of those moments of time freezing, looking at her thinking "im gonna kill you dog...".  Well no, he had a nosebleed, it didnt even wake him up and she was worried about him.  But for about a half a second there!

Been 5 years and shes been sleeping in his bed every night.
i153.photobucket.com
2013-02-02 08:56:48 PM  
1 vote:
So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.
2013-02-02 08:44:23 PM  
1 vote:

DownDaRiver: Thought the article would be about cats and how their uncontrolled behavior is resulting in the millions of native species that are mindlessly killed by them.
And the children part would be about how society brain-washes little girls and little girly-boys into believing that cats make good pets.


Cats are not pets; they're parasites.
2013-02-02 08:43:02 PM  
1 vote:

lewismarktwo: Craziest, meanest dog I ever saw was a black lab.


For me it was a dachshund.  Pure evil in a little package.  My daughter's bull terrier is stubborn as a mule, but generally a gentle and friendly scaredy-cat.
2013-02-02 08:43:00 PM  
1 vote:
Thought the article would be about cats and how their uncontrolled behavior is resulting in the millions of native species that are mindlessly killed by them.
And the children part would be about how society brain-washes little girls and little girly-boys into believing that cats make good pets.
2013-02-02 08:39:24 PM  
1 vote:
upload.wikimedia.org
newly hired?
2013-02-02 08:36:05 PM  
1 vote:
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Just try to get close to that baby!
2013-02-02 08:26:17 PM  
1 vote:
I play it safe be remaining a :"crazy cat person"..

/'Nuff said
2013-02-02 08:25:16 PM  
1 vote:

jtown: I've met a lot of pit bulls in my day.  First thing they do when they meet a new person is grab their favorite toy and show it off.  An old neighbor's pit bull would push her toys under the gate then whimper until I came downstairs and tossed them back over the fence (and spent a few minutes scratching her belly, of course).


I only know one pit bull, but she's harmless. ( can be annoying, however; her owner hasn't done a good job curbing begging and attention-seeking behavior, IMHO...)
2013-02-02 08:16:49 PM  
1 vote:
PUPPIES!
2013-02-02 08:04:24 PM  
1 vote:
I remember seeing a list of dog attacks on humans broken down by breed of dog and age of victim. What struck me was all of the breeds, likely to bite or not, said something like "63% children/37% adult" plus or minus about 5% except boxers, which were like 43% children/57% adult bite victims. Much less likely to bite kids than adults.
2013-02-02 08:00:21 PM  
1 vote:
The fact is that a pitbull needs to eat at least three mailmen per year just to stay alive.
2013-02-02 07:47:35 PM  
1 vote:

dookdookdook: doglover: The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal

So...

1) Slavery wouldn't have happened if the slaves were armed.
2) Dogs are slaves

Therefore

3) Dogs should be armed to prevent animal abuse.


That's a dog-gun good idea.

/not really, just goin for the pun.
2013-02-02 07:28:24 PM  
1 vote:
My theory is that pit pulls are psychic.  They know who's going to grow up to a serial killer; who's about to snap; and who beat a puppy when he was a child.
2013-02-02 06:22:08 PM  
1 vote:
They'll be fine; it's always the neighbor's kids that get eaten.
 
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