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2013-02-02 09:00:48 PM  
My son was maybe four when we picked up Pippy the pitbull from the pound.  A street runaway that the shelter staff had spent over three months training and teaching tricks.  When I picked her up she was extremely well disciplined and very well trained.  But she still was a pitbull, scary scary pitbull, big and strong. My son of course immediately started climbing all over her and roughhousing with her as soon as she got home and we got very paranoid, never left them alone for the first week, just dreading her taking his head off.  She never even grumbled, just licked his face constantly and enjoyed the attention.  Within the first few days she was sleeping in his bed with him every night right next to him.  Very sweet, adorable.  Until I walked in there in the middle of the night after hitting the bathroom at 1am, I found his face covered in blood and her next to him wimpering. I had one of those moments of time freezing, looking at her thinking "im gonna kill you dog...".  Well no, he had a nosebleed, it didnt even wake him up and she was worried about him.  But for about a half a second there!

Been 5 years and shes been sleeping in his bed every night.
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2013-02-02 09:01:41 PM  

Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.


That's true for almost everything. Once aids got to the suburban white ghey population we found some good meds. Not a cure but at least it's not a death sentance anymore.
 
2013-02-02 09:01:45 PM  
^I agree with the black lab comment up there. I had my face munched on by an insane black lab.

I had a boxer/pit mix. Biggest baby ever. He frequently got beat up by my roommate's cat.
 
2013-02-02 09:04:16 PM  

DrRatchet: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 610x343]

Just try to get close to that baby!


I was coming to post that...

/and the reason dogs seem dangerous now is the same reason everything seems more dangerous.
/the irresponsible acts of a few humans get carried by the echo chamber of modern media.
 
2013-02-02 09:04:26 PM  
doglover:

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal


I don't recall too many stories about plantation owners who took their slaves out for walks and then scooped up their poop and carried it around in a little plastic bag until they got to a garbage can then gave their laves a treat and snuggled up on the couch with them and rubbed their bellies.

Not even on nifty.org.
 
2013-02-02 09:05:00 PM  
Statistics, how do they work?

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.
 
2013-02-02 09:05:55 PM  
I work in landscaping, so I often enter yards with dogs I have never met beforr, without their owners around. All of them just want love and attention. The only time I got nipped it was some 15 pound fluffy breed with a flying leap to bite my fingers. He was just playing though he was annoying.

Hell yesterday I spent an hour flanked by two german shepards that belong to an NFL hall of famer. Dogs act the way their owners teach them to act.
 
2013-02-02 09:05:55 PM  

Gleeman: Statistics, how do they work?

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.


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2013-02-02 09:06:01 PM  
When I was in High School, a classmate invited me over to his house after school. When I got there, a small yappy dog tried to scare me away, and I thought he would bite me. His other dog, an American Pit Bull/Labrador mix protected me from the smaller dog as I rang the doorbell and waited to be invited in. The Pit mix dog knew I was a stranger, and growled and postured menacingly, but I acted like I had an invitation.
When my friend greeted me warmly at the door, the Pit mix changed his attitude and posture, but still had to continue protecting me from the smaller dog.

One of the smartest dogs I have ever known.
 
2013-02-02 09:06:01 PM  
Thanks to the media, who would never hype anything for their own gain, most attacks by pitbulls or "pitbull mixes" have in their headlines "Pitbull attacks...".  But what about an attack by any other breed?  It usually will feature a headline containing "Dog" or "Family pet" with no mention of the breed whatsoever.

Keeping the public afraid is big business for new outlets and this breed has been hit with the villain bat by the media long and hard.
 
2013-02-02 09:08:38 PM  

Gleeman: Statistics, how do they work?

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.


Even the CDC says those numbers are at best unreliable.

Try again.

Mostly because of this:

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2013-02-02 09:09:16 PM  

vinniethepoo: We need a law similar to Canada's "Truth in Journalism" act. Media could still say anything it wants to as long as non-factual pieces are clearly marked "Editorial" or "Opinion." Anything presented as an actual news item needs to meet certain basic fact-checking standards. The rights of the people to be given factual, unsensationalized news on which to base their decisions outweighs the right of media to enjoy completely uncontrolled, anarchical "free speach."

Lying or exagerating in a news story needs to be treated as the journalistic equivalent of shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater. I'm looking at YOU, Faux News (though all media's guilty to some extent.)


If I was trying to troll everyone into thinking I'm a hardcore totalitarian leftist, I'd write what you just wrote.
 
2013-02-02 09:10:51 PM  
I've spent a lot of time on crutches over the last 3 years. For some reason a lot of those dogs don't like people on crutches. I've had four instances  of being lunged at/snapped at/cornered. My 8yr old son was with me for two of them.

I know two people who think those dogs can go DIAF.
 
2013-02-02 09:11:44 PM  

Hector Remarkable: The fact is that a pitbull needs to eat at least three mailmen per year just to stay alive.


Dude, if I don't eat three mailmen a year I don't consider that living.
 
2013-02-02 09:14:17 PM  

catsfish: I've spent a lot of time on crutches over the last 3 years. For some reason a lot of those dogs don't like people on crutches.


yes because you're a mechanized abomination of nature that looks creepy like those legless dogs that walk around upright.
 
2013-02-02 09:15:04 PM  

Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.


Actually it's disenfranchised young men who shouldn't have dangerous things.

When was the last time you saw a black kid shoot people randomly in a school? Gangs are business, and while bloody are usually at least professional. The real crazies are a liability and get weeded out.

But suburban white kids with lots of time and money, but no friends? They plot Columbines.
 
2013-02-02 09:18:10 PM  

doglover: Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.

Actually it's disenfranchised young men who shouldn't have dangerous things.

When was the last time you saw a black kid shoot people randomly in a school? Gangs are business, and while bloody are usually at least professional. The real crazies are a liability and get weeded out.

But suburban white kids with lots of time and money, but no friends? They plot Columbines.


Ah but the white suburbanites wouldn't need those guns their kids shoot up schools with if it weren't for those violent urban blacks with their guns and their pitbulls... and their pitbulls with guns in their mouths so that when they bark they shoot guns at you.
 
amo
2013-02-02 09:18:32 PM  

Crunch61: lewismarktwo: Craziest, meanest dog I ever saw was a black lab.

For me it was a dachshund.  Pure evil in a little package.  My daughter's bull terrier is stubborn as a mule, but generally a gentle and friendly scaredy-cat.


Nastiest creature I ever saw was my cousin's poorly-socialized Jack Russell Terrier. I dog-sat it once, and found out real quick I couldn't take it for a walk or to the dog park, it didn't get along with most people or any dogs. And cats were out of the question, which I wish she would have mentioned before I said I could watch it for the day. When my cousin came to pick the dog up, I told her to get it some serious help as soon as she could or it was going to cost her. She didn't listen, and they ended up having a little baby girl. The dog ripped her face open when she was 2. They put the dog down, about 5 years too late, in my opinion.
 
2013-02-02 09:20:24 PM  

amo: Nastiest creature I ever saw was my cousin's poorly-socialized Jack Russell Terrier.


Jack Russell Terriers are the frat boy douchebags of the canine world.
 
2013-02-02 09:22:51 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: DPXFP2: Dogs that are big enough need to be socialized to children to know that they're family.

When you're a big animal that evolved to hunt like that your natural assumption when you see something little scurrying around is "hey, food!"

Nevertheless, I don't know about pitbulls. I'm sure people freak out about them unduly, but I would not want a dog that had that kind of killing power.

WTH? ALL dogs need to be properly socialized. The worst dogs I've been around have been the ankle biter variety. Why? Cause their farking owners don't think they need to be trained because they are small.


Holy shiat, THIS. If you can't (or won't) care for your dogs, you don't deserve to own one.

Pit Bulls are big lugs who naturally love people. All of the biting/killing stories come from neglect and/or abuse. The problem is that the breed is viewed as a status symbol in certain circles for it's fighting prowess, and to get the dog to adopt that mindset, abuse is needed. Pits aren't born that way.
 
2013-02-02 09:26:21 PM  

Ghastly: Gleeman: Statistics, how do they work?

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]


Poor as in bad, not as in financially. But if that's where you head is at, do go on.
 
2013-02-02 09:28:53 PM  
The only time I "get ready" while walking my boy around the apartment complex and another dog comes around, is if the dog is physically able to inflict serious harm very quickly.  That includes lovable Mr. Golden Retriever.

Dogs are easy to read.  They can't fake or lie.  Their posturing is an easy give away.

Yeah yeah, someone reply with the reporter getting her face mauled by the police dog.  Unfortunate for her.  To that dog, that was just a "WTF GET AWAY!" that went wrong.  If that dog could use the castle doctrine, it would.

That was probably my mostest dumbest comment here ever.

I love dogs and miss having one.

/whippets FTW
 
2013-02-02 09:30:30 PM  
My monstrous terror mauling my children:

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-02 09:33:00 PM  
The worst dog behavior I've ever seen was from a dachshund/beagle mix.  Dumb as a post, never properly trained or socialized.  The family that owned her got her because "the kids wanted a dog", and pretty much the only attention she got was from the 4/6 year old kids rough-housing and teasing her.  Since I had to help my now ex-gf babysit these kids I had to deal with the dog too.  One time she tried to take some food off a plate I had in my lap, and I bopped her on the nose, so she snapped at me.  She finally treated me with a bit of respect after I pinned her to the floor by her neck and held her there until she stopped struggling.
 
2013-02-02 09:33:03 PM  

doglover: Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.

Actually it's disenfranchised young men who shouldn't have dangerous things.

When was the last time you saw a black kid shoot people randomly in a school? Gangs are business, and while bloody are usually at least professional. The real crazies are a liability and get weeded out.

But suburban white kids with lots of time and money, but no friends? They plot Columbines.


No shiat.

I lived in the ghetto about two years ago. My parents were against it. Two weeks after I moved there was a hextuple homicide two blocks over. An argument had started at a party and someone had just gone off. Everyone who got shot was armed. My parents found out and asked me if I was worried enough to move out.

I pointed out that as long as Ashley and I didn't attend a house party full of gang members we would probably be ok. Also the weed house across the street was our neighborhood watch. They didn't need the trouble of having two white kids across the street messed with.
 
2013-02-02 09:34:47 PM  

Ghastly: pitbulls with guns in their mouths so that when they bark they shoot guns at you.


Ha!
 
2013-02-02 09:38:38 PM  
Pits are a disproportionately dangerous breed, not because of genetics.  The fact is that an abusive, ignorant asshole is far more likely to be on the other end of the leash of a pit than any other breed in the US today.   Until I know an owner and the dog, all dogs are unfriendly, and pits are more likely to be unfriendly than other breeds.

I don't really give a shiat whether I'm being unfair to the dog or the owner by pre-judging them.  My responsibility is to protect my family and my balls.
 
2013-02-02 09:38:46 PM  

orclover: My son was maybe four when we picked up Pippy the pitbull from the pound.  A street runaway that the shelter staff had spent over three months training and teaching tricks.  When I picked her up she was extremely well disciplined and very well trained.  But she still was a pitbull, scary scary pitbull, big and strong. My son of course immediately started climbing all over her and roughhousing with her as soon as she got home and we got very paranoid, never left them alone for the first week, just dreading her taking his head off.  She never even grumbled, just licked his face constantly and enjoyed the attention.  Within the first few days she was sleeping in his bed with him every night right next to him.  Very sweet, adorable.  Until I walked in there in the middle of the night after hitting the bathroom at 1am, I found his face covered in blood and her next to him wimpering. I had one of those moments of time freezing, looking at her thinking "im gonna kill you dog...".  Well no, he had a nosebleed, it didnt even wake him up and she was worried about him.  But for about a half a second there!

Been 5 years and shes been sleeping in his bed every night.
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Sniffle! I really miss my old dog, and now that I have my boy I want him to have one too.  Small apartment, single Dad, no time, etc. etc.

Thanks for that man!
 
2013-02-02 09:40:55 PM  

doglover: The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward


It's not cowardice to treat all dogs as dangerous until you know better.  It's common f*cking sense.  Likewise, it's common f*cking sense to realize that pits are more likely to be dangerous because they are more likely to be "cared for" by abusive owners.
 
2013-02-02 09:42:14 PM  
Yay!
My first Green!
After hundreds of tries, I finally get a green.
I'm so proud!
/and drunk
 
2013-02-02 09:42:16 PM  

Ghastly: doglover: Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.

Actually it's disenfranchised young men who shouldn't have dangerous things.

When was the last time you saw a black kid shoot people randomly in a school? Gangs are business, and while bloody are usually at least professional. The real crazies are a liability and get weeded out.

But suburban white kids with lots of time and money, but no friends? They plot Columbines.

Ah but the white suburbanites wouldn't need those guns their kids shoot up schools with if it weren't for those violent urban blacks with their guns and their pitbulls... and their pitbulls with guns in their mouths so that when they bark they shoot guns at you.


Trademark that. Trademark that right now.
 
2013-02-02 09:42:19 PM  
So how many deaths by Poodle last year?
 
2013-02-02 09:45:08 PM  
So... there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's 'The Internet'.

The article (which defends pitbulls) quotes an article from the Forensic Science Journal, but fails to quote this from it:

The six breeds most commonly identified as vicious are Akita, Chow (Chow Chow), Doberman, Pit Bull,Rottweiler, and Wolf-mix

Ta-da!
 
2013-02-02 09:52:57 PM  

Wolfling: So... there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's 'The Internet'.

The article (which defends pitbulls) quotes an article from the Forensic Science Journal, but fails to quote this from it:

The six breeds most commonly identified as vicious are Akita, Chow (Chow Chow), Doberman, Pit Bull,Rottweiler, and Wolf-mix

Ta-da!


Chows.... now there was a bread that screamed "I'm a trendy douche" back in the 70s.
 
2013-02-02 09:53:37 PM  

kombat_unit: doglover: The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward.

Weapons grade stupid.


Your self reflection is the best thing I have seen from a lib from a long time. Now that you are aware, how will you overcome your limitation kombat_unit?
 
2013-02-02 09:53:43 PM  
Dogs reflect their owners.
If you are an ignorant dick-head, chances are that your dog will be one to.
 
2013-02-02 10:00:20 PM  

Spirit Hammer: Dogs reflect their owners.
If you are an ignorant dick-head, chances are that your dog will be one to.


So, am I to take it that your dog can't spell?
 
2013-02-02 10:02:02 PM  

Moonfisher: I had a landlord tell me my dog violated the lease, which barred tenents from having pitbulls. My dog was a bassette hound. She made me prove it by bringing a letter from the vet. Dog racism: almost as stupid as people racism.

/Whar dog birf certificate!?


You cannot possibly be serious. Either that was one incredibly ugly basset hound, or your landlord was blind.
 
2013-02-02 10:02:27 PM  

lewismarktwo: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?

Craziest, meanest dog I ever saw was a black lab.


I've seen several large poodles that were down right nasty.

/anecdotal - Not saying Poodles are inherently vicious. Although, I personally can't stand the breed.
 
2013-02-02 10:03:25 PM  

Wolfling: So... there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's 'The Internet'.

The article (which defends pitbulls) quotes an article from the Forensic Science Journal, but fails to quote this from it:

The six breeds most commonly identified as vicious are Akita, Chow (Chow Chow), Doberman, Pit Bull,Rottweiler, and Wolf-mix

Ta-da!


Page one and you can't even see the references without buying the article.

I'm convinced, time to shoot my Pit before he eats the neighborhood children.
 
2013-02-02 10:04:32 PM  

edmo: So how many deaths by Poodle last year?


Well for every man that owns one and is seen in public with it, he dies a little inside.  It all adds up.
 
2013-02-02 10:04:39 PM  

Wolfling: Spirit Hammer: Dogs reflect their owners.
If you are an ignorant dick-head, chances are that your dog will be one to.

So, am I to take it that your dog can't spell?


Did you miss the part where I was drunk?
 
2013-02-02 10:05:30 PM  

Wolfling: Spirit Hammer: Dogs reflect their owners.
If you are an ignorant dick-head, chances are that your dog will be one to.

So, am I to take it that your dog can't spell?


caT fUD --->
 
2013-02-02 10:05:51 PM  

Wolfling: So... there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's 'The Internet'.

The article (which defends pitbulls) quotes an article from the Forensic Science Journal, but fails to quote this from it:

The six breeds most commonly identified as vicious are Akita, Chow (Chow Chow), Doberman, Pit Bull,Rottweiler, and Wolf-mix

Ta-da!


It says "identified by insurance companies".  The key to realizing it's retarded information is seeing "Wolf-mix" listed, of which there are so few around that you'd more likely be hit by a meteor.
 
2013-02-02 10:09:24 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Every pitbull I've ever come across has been sweet as hell.


this. just want to lick stuff, and rub ass on carpet.
 
2013-02-02 10:11:03 PM  
FTA: "86 percent of fatal canine attacks involve an unneutered male, according to the American Humane Society..."


Funny, but about 86 percent of fatal human attacks involve an unneutered human male, according to the FBI.

If memory serves


/Testicles
//Outlaw them
///Think of the children
 
2013-02-02 10:12:44 PM  

Government Fromage: No No No we need to limit them to 10 teeth.


10 teeth? That's decadent.
 
2013-02-02 10:16:54 PM  
There are no bad dogs, there are bad dog owners. If you've never met or seen damn scary pits you've stayed out of the right neighborhoods that's all. Lowlife scumbags surround themselves with all sorts of weapons. These are the same people that are having multiple babbys with multiple babbys mommas.

There is a lad on the Main St of my little idiot town that thinks he's living on the means streets of Newark or Camden. White boy dresses like a hip hop moran and walks like he has a load in his pants. He has an out of control pit he can barely hold back on its chain leash. it is a walking cliche. Just a matter of time before some little kid gets bit up and Mr Moran is out one dog. Personally I think we should fast forward and euthanize Mr Moran.
 
2013-02-02 10:18:45 PM  
I noticed the article doesn't address the breed's aggression (or non-aggression) towards other dogs.
Years ago my 25 lb. mutt was involved in an unprovoked attack by a 50 lb. pitbull. The unleashed pit charged across the street and grabbed my dog by the neck.
It took two men to stop the attack. One jumped on the pitbull's back and the other grabbed the pitbull by the balls.
My dog ended up with seven stitches on her neck.
This is why I avoid the breed today.
 
2013-02-02 10:24:49 PM  

Ghastly: doglover:

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal


I don't recall too many stories about plantation owners who took their slaves out for walks and then scooped up their poop and carried it around in a little plastic bag until they got to a garbage can then gave their laves a treat and snuggled up on the couch with them and rubbed their bellies.

Not even on nifty.org.


You should read Thomas Jefferson's hidden diary ; )
 
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