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2013-02-02 03:26:11 PM  
Yet another thread about the god damn NRA?
 
2013-02-02 04:14:08 PM  
www.pitbullsontheweb.com
Petey agrees
 
2013-02-02 05:09:50 PM  
Watching John with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The terminator, would never stop. It would never leave him, and it would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get drunk and hit him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there. And it would die, to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.
 
2013-02-02 06:22:08 PM  
They'll be fine; it's always the neighbor's kids that get eaten.
 
2013-02-02 06:41:35 PM  
I have a friend who has a pitbull and I've house-sat for him a few times. One time I showed up and the dog didn't even seem to know I was there for almost an hour. So yeah, not so much the guard dog type.
 
2013-02-02 06:59:47 PM  
img.wallpapergang.com

Mindless killing machines, you say?
 
2013-02-02 07:00:08 PM  
Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.
 
2013-02-02 07:07:29 PM  
Guarding?

/Can I come with you
 
2013-02-02 07:09:24 PM  
i1079.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-02 07:23:47 PM  

doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.


So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?
 
2013-02-02 07:28:24 PM  
My theory is that pit pulls are psychic.  They know who's going to grow up to a serial killer; who's about to snap; and who beat a puppy when he was a child.
 
2013-02-02 07:30:07 PM  
www.bbc.co.uk
Knowsabout being raised by a machine.
 
2013-02-02 07:30:18 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?


Craziest, meanest dog I ever saw was a black lab.
 
2013-02-02 07:32:17 PM  
"Mindless killing machines, guarding YOUR children? "

Jeebus, can we stop talking about the Alabama bunker man already?
 
2013-02-02 07:38:31 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?


Many of them are indeed lying, others lack the ability to self-reflect. Abusers hardly ever think of themselves as abusers, you know.
 
2013-02-02 07:40:04 PM  
I had a landlord tell me my dog violated the lease, which barred tenents from having pitbulls. My dog was a bassette hound. She made me prove it by bringing a letter from the vet. Dog racism: almost as stupid as people racism.

/Whar dog birf certificate!?
 
2013-02-02 07:40:06 PM  

lewismarktwo: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?

Craziest, meanest dog I ever saw was a black lab.


my uncle had a Coonhound that was completely insane and out to kill anything that moved
 
2013-02-02 07:41:01 PM  
Clearly we need reasonable legislation to protect us from these assault dogs with their high capacity mouths.
 
2013-02-02 07:41:50 PM  

doglover: The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal


So...

1) Slavery wouldn't have happened if the slaves were armed.
2) Dogs are slaves

Therefore

3) Dogs should be armed to prevent animal abuse.
 
2013-02-02 07:42:49 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?


Citation needed.

I've yet to see more than one story of a dog just eating a baby, and that was a daschund. Y'know, the breed responsible for the most bites per capita but no one cares because they're tiny?

Most stories about pit bull attacks I've read start with "He got out of his kennel." or "His chain broke." That's an immediate pardon for the dog. I'll chain you naked to a tree and leave you some dirty water in a pie plate if you like. Tell me you'd be sane after the first few weeks.
 
2013-02-02 07:44:36 PM  

Government Fromage: Clearly we need reasonable legislation to protect us from these assault dogs with their high capacity mouths.


Animal control legislation is tyranny!

Americans have a god-given right to keep tigers and grizzly bears in their children's bedrooms with no intrusive background checks or socialist government regulations!
 
2013-02-02 07:45:21 PM  
Every pitbull I've ever come across has been sweet as hell.
 
2013-02-02 07:47:23 PM  

dookdookdook: Government Fromage: Clearly we need reasonable legislation to protect us from these assault dogs with their high capacity mouths.

Animal control legislation is tyranny!

Americans have a god-given right to keep tigers and grizzly bears in their children's bedrooms with no intrusive background checks or socialist government regulations!


No No No we need to limit them to 10 teeth. (7 in NY), and they don't need dangerous features such as leashes or collars or doggie sweaters.
 
2013-02-02 07:47:35 PM  

dookdookdook: doglover: The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal

So...

1) Slavery wouldn't have happened if the slaves were armed.
2) Dogs are slaves

Therefore

3) Dogs should be armed to prevent animal abuse.


That's a dog-gun good idea.

/not really, just goin for the pun.
 
2013-02-02 07:47:46 PM  

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?

Citation needed.

I've yet to see more than one story of a dog just eating a baby, and that was a daschund. Y'know, the breed responsible for the most bites per capita but no one cares because they're tiny?

Most stories about pit bull attacks I've read start with "He got out of his kennel." or "His chain broke." That's an immediate pardon for the dog. I'll chain you naked to a tree and leave you some dirty water in a pie plate if you like. Tell me you'd be sane after the first few weeks.


Hey, you don't know what kind of kink I'm into...

/bigot
//don't judge me
 
2013-02-02 07:48:53 PM  

Moonfisher: I had a landlord tell me my dog violated the lease, which barred tenents from having pitbulls. My dog was a bassette hound. She made me prove it by bringing a letter from the vet. Dog racism: almost as stupid as people racism.


Should have asked him to play Find the Pit Bull:

Link

/Breed Specific Legislation is a lazy solution to the problem of irresponsible dog ownership
 
2013-02-02 07:54:20 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Watching John with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The terminator, would never stop. It would never leave him, and it would never hurt him, never shout at him, or get drunk and hit him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him. It would always be there. And it would die, to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.


Awesome.
 
2013-02-02 07:55:03 PM  
I've met a lot of pit bulls in my day.  First thing they do when they meet a new person is grab their favorite toy and show it off.  An old neighbor's pit bull would push her toys under the gate then whimper until I came downstairs and tossed them back over the fence (and spent a few minutes scratching her belly, of course).
 
2013-02-02 07:57:52 PM  

thenumber5: lewismarktwo: Craziest, meanest dog I ever saw was a black lab.

my uncle had a Coonhound that was completely insane and out to kill anything that moved


My neighbor has a Chihuahua that would bloody murder my big toe if I took my shoe off.

/sadly serious
 
2013-02-02 08:00:21 PM  
The fact is that a pitbull needs to eat at least three mailmen per year just to stay alive.
 
2013-02-02 08:04:24 PM  
I remember seeing a list of dog attacks on humans broken down by breed of dog and age of victim. What struck me was all of the breeds, likely to bite or not, said something like "63% children/37% adult" plus or minus about 5% except boxers, which were like 43% children/57% adult bite victims. Much less likely to bite kids than adults.
 
2013-02-02 08:10:15 PM  
Dogs that are big enough need to be socialized to children to know that they're family.

When you're a big animal that evolved to hunt like that your natural assumption when you see something little scurrying around is "hey, food!"

Nevertheless, I don't know about pitbulls. I'm sure people freak out about them unduly, but I would not want a dog that had that kind of killing power.
 
2013-02-02 08:16:48 PM  

doglover: The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward.


Weapons grade stupid.
 
2013-02-02 08:16:49 PM  
PUPPIES!
 
2013-02-02 08:19:33 PM  
We need a law similar to Canada's "Truth in Journalism" act. Media could still say anything it wants to as long as non-factual pieces are clearly marked "Editorial" or "Opinion." Anything presented as an actual news item needs to meet certain basic fact-checking standards. The rights of the people to be given factual, unsensationalized news on which to base their decisions outweighs the right of media to enjoy completely uncontrolled, anarchical "free speach."

Lying or exagerating in a news story needs to be treated as the journalistic equivalent of shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater. I'm looking at YOU, Faux News (though all media's guilty to some extent.)
 
2013-02-02 08:19:52 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Yet another thread about the god damn NRA?



A skinny little white guy goes into an elevator, looks up and
sees this HUGE black guy standing next to him.
The big guy sees the little guy staring at him, looks down and
says"7 feet tall, 350 pounds, 20 inch member, 3 pound left testicle, 3
pound right testicle, Turner Brown."
The white man faints and falls to the floor.
The big guy kneels down and brings him to, shaking him. The big guy
says, "What's wrong with you?"
In a weak voice the little guy says, "What EXACTLY did you say to me? "
The big dude says, "I saw your curious look and figured I'd just
give you the answers to the questions everyone always asks me.
I'm 7 feet tall, I weigh 350 pounds, I have a 20 inch private, my left
testicle weighs 3 pounds, my right testicle weighs 3 pounds, and my
name is Turner Brown."
The small guy says, "Turner Brown!...Sweet Jesus, I thought you said, "Turn Around
 
2013-02-02 08:24:47 PM  

DPXFP2: Dogs that are big enough need to be socialized to children to know that they're family.

When you're a big animal that evolved to hunt like that your natural assumption when you see something little scurrying around is "hey, food!"

Nevertheless, I don't know about pitbulls. I'm sure people freak out about them unduly, but I would not want a dog that had that kind of killing power.




WTH? ALL dogs need to be properly socialized. The worst dogs I've been around have been the ankle biter variety. Why? Cause their farking owners don't think they need to be trained because they are small.
 
2013-02-02 08:25:16 PM  

jtown: I've met a lot of pit bulls in my day.  First thing they do when they meet a new person is grab their favorite toy and show it off.  An old neighbor's pit bull would push her toys under the gate then whimper until I came downstairs and tossed them back over the fence (and spent a few minutes scratching her belly, of course).


I only know one pit bull, but she's harmless. ( can be annoying, however; her owner hasn't done a good job curbing begging and attention-seeking behavior, IMHO...)
 
2013-02-02 08:26:17 PM  
I play it safe be remaining a :"crazy cat person"..

/'Nuff said
 
2013-02-02 08:28:15 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Yet another thread about the god damn NRA?


We are the NRA.

/so bite me
 
2013-02-02 08:29:54 PM  
Just try and get close to that baby. your funeral.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg
 
2013-02-02 08:36:05 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Just try to get close to that baby!
 
2013-02-02 08:39:24 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
newly hired?
 
2013-02-02 08:42:18 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

It can be a solid plan.
 
2013-02-02 08:43:00 PM  
Thought the article would be about cats and how their uncontrolled behavior is resulting in the millions of native species that are mindlessly killed by them.
And the children part would be about how society brain-washes little girls and little girly-boys into believing that cats make good pets.
 
2013-02-02 08:43:02 PM  

lewismarktwo: Craziest, meanest dog I ever saw was a black lab.


For me it was a dachshund.  Pure evil in a little package.  My daughter's bull terrier is stubborn as a mule, but generally a gentle and friendly scaredy-cat.
 
2013-02-02 08:43:06 PM  

doglover: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?

Citation needed.

I've yet to see more than one story of a dog just eating a baby, and that was a daschund. Y'know, the breed responsible for the most bites per capita but no one cares because they're tiny?


I mentioned to you, quite recently, that trying to ridicule someone by taking his words too literally often backfires.
 
2013-02-02 08:44:23 PM  

DownDaRiver: Thought the article would be about cats and how their uncontrolled behavior is resulting in the millions of native species that are mindlessly killed by them.
And the children part would be about how society brain-washes little girls and little girly-boys into believing that cats make good pets.


Cats are not pets; they're parasites.
 
2013-02-02 08:49:23 PM  
This seems more likely than I'd think
 
2013-02-02 08:56:48 PM  
So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.
 
2013-02-02 09:00:48 PM  
My son was maybe four when we picked up Pippy the pitbull from the pound.  A street runaway that the shelter staff had spent over three months training and teaching tricks.  When I picked her up she was extremely well disciplined and very well trained.  But she still was a pitbull, scary scary pitbull, big and strong. My son of course immediately started climbing all over her and roughhousing with her as soon as she got home and we got very paranoid, never left them alone for the first week, just dreading her taking his head off.  She never even grumbled, just licked his face constantly and enjoyed the attention.  Within the first few days she was sleeping in his bed with him every night right next to him.  Very sweet, adorable.  Until I walked in there in the middle of the night after hitting the bathroom at 1am, I found his face covered in blood and her next to him wimpering. I had one of those moments of time freezing, looking at her thinking "im gonna kill you dog...".  Well no, he had a nosebleed, it didnt even wake him up and she was worried about him.  But for about a half a second there!

Been 5 years and shes been sleeping in his bed every night.
i153.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-02 09:01:41 PM  

Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.


That's true for almost everything. Once aids got to the suburban white ghey population we found some good meds. Not a cure but at least it's not a death sentance anymore.
 
2013-02-02 09:01:45 PM  
^I agree with the black lab comment up there. I had my face munched on by an insane black lab.

I had a boxer/pit mix. Biggest baby ever. He frequently got beat up by my roommate's cat.
 
2013-02-02 09:04:16 PM  

DrRatchet: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 610x343]

Just try to get close to that baby!


I was coming to post that...

/and the reason dogs seem dangerous now is the same reason everything seems more dangerous.
/the irresponsible acts of a few humans get carried by the echo chamber of modern media.
 
2013-02-02 09:04:26 PM  
doglover:

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal


I don't recall too many stories about plantation owners who took their slaves out for walks and then scooped up their poop and carried it around in a little plastic bag until they got to a garbage can then gave their laves a treat and snuggled up on the couch with them and rubbed their bellies.

Not even on nifty.org.
 
2013-02-02 09:05:00 PM  
Statistics, how do they work?

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.
 
2013-02-02 09:05:55 PM  
I work in landscaping, so I often enter yards with dogs I have never met beforr, without their owners around. All of them just want love and attention. The only time I got nipped it was some 15 pound fluffy breed with a flying leap to bite my fingers. He was just playing though he was annoying.

Hell yesterday I spent an hour flanked by two german shepards that belong to an NFL hall of famer. Dogs act the way their owners teach them to act.
 
2013-02-02 09:05:55 PM  

Gleeman: Statistics, how do they work?

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-02 09:06:01 PM  
When I was in High School, a classmate invited me over to his house after school. When I got there, a small yappy dog tried to scare me away, and I thought he would bite me. His other dog, an American Pit Bull/Labrador mix protected me from the smaller dog as I rang the doorbell and waited to be invited in. The Pit mix dog knew I was a stranger, and growled and postured menacingly, but I acted like I had an invitation.
When my friend greeted me warmly at the door, the Pit mix changed his attitude and posture, but still had to continue protecting me from the smaller dog.

One of the smartest dogs I have ever known.
 
2013-02-02 09:06:01 PM  
Thanks to the media, who would never hype anything for their own gain, most attacks by pitbulls or "pitbull mixes" have in their headlines "Pitbull attacks...".  But what about an attack by any other breed?  It usually will feature a headline containing "Dog" or "Family pet" with no mention of the breed whatsoever.

Keeping the public afraid is big business for new outlets and this breed has been hit with the villain bat by the media long and hard.
 
2013-02-02 09:08:38 PM  

Gleeman: Statistics, how do they work?

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.


Even the CDC says those numbers are at best unreliable.

Try again.

Mostly because of this:

hellinahandbasket.net
 
2013-02-02 09:09:16 PM  

vinniethepoo: We need a law similar to Canada's "Truth in Journalism" act. Media could still say anything it wants to as long as non-factual pieces are clearly marked "Editorial" or "Opinion." Anything presented as an actual news item needs to meet certain basic fact-checking standards. The rights of the people to be given factual, unsensationalized news on which to base their decisions outweighs the right of media to enjoy completely uncontrolled, anarchical "free speach."

Lying or exagerating in a news story needs to be treated as the journalistic equivalent of shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater. I'm looking at YOU, Faux News (though all media's guilty to some extent.)


If I was trying to troll everyone into thinking I'm a hardcore totalitarian leftist, I'd write what you just wrote.
 
2013-02-02 09:10:51 PM  
I've spent a lot of time on crutches over the last 3 years. For some reason a lot of those dogs don't like people on crutches. I've had four instances  of being lunged at/snapped at/cornered. My 8yr old son was with me for two of them.

I know two people who think those dogs can go DIAF.
 
2013-02-02 09:11:44 PM  

Hector Remarkable: The fact is that a pitbull needs to eat at least three mailmen per year just to stay alive.


Dude, if I don't eat three mailmen a year I don't consider that living.
 
2013-02-02 09:14:17 PM  

catsfish: I've spent a lot of time on crutches over the last 3 years. For some reason a lot of those dogs don't like people on crutches.


yes because you're a mechanized abomination of nature that looks creepy like those legless dogs that walk around upright.
 
2013-02-02 09:15:04 PM  

Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.


Actually it's disenfranchised young men who shouldn't have dangerous things.

When was the last time you saw a black kid shoot people randomly in a school? Gangs are business, and while bloody are usually at least professional. The real crazies are a liability and get weeded out.

But suburban white kids with lots of time and money, but no friends? They plot Columbines.
 
2013-02-02 09:18:10 PM  

doglover: Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.

Actually it's disenfranchised young men who shouldn't have dangerous things.

When was the last time you saw a black kid shoot people randomly in a school? Gangs are business, and while bloody are usually at least professional. The real crazies are a liability and get weeded out.

But suburban white kids with lots of time and money, but no friends? They plot Columbines.


Ah but the white suburbanites wouldn't need those guns their kids shoot up schools with if it weren't for those violent urban blacks with their guns and their pitbulls... and their pitbulls with guns in their mouths so that when they bark they shoot guns at you.
 
amo
2013-02-02 09:18:32 PM  

Crunch61: lewismarktwo: Craziest, meanest dog I ever saw was a black lab.

For me it was a dachshund.  Pure evil in a little package.  My daughter's bull terrier is stubborn as a mule, but generally a gentle and friendly scaredy-cat.


Nastiest creature I ever saw was my cousin's poorly-socialized Jack Russell Terrier. I dog-sat it once, and found out real quick I couldn't take it for a walk or to the dog park, it didn't get along with most people or any dogs. And cats were out of the question, which I wish she would have mentioned before I said I could watch it for the day. When my cousin came to pick the dog up, I told her to get it some serious help as soon as she could or it was going to cost her. She didn't listen, and they ended up having a little baby girl. The dog ripped her face open when she was 2. They put the dog down, about 5 years too late, in my opinion.
 
2013-02-02 09:20:24 PM  

amo: Nastiest creature I ever saw was my cousin's poorly-socialized Jack Russell Terrier.


Jack Russell Terriers are the frat boy douchebags of the canine world.
 
2013-02-02 09:22:51 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: DPXFP2: Dogs that are big enough need to be socialized to children to know that they're family.

When you're a big animal that evolved to hunt like that your natural assumption when you see something little scurrying around is "hey, food!"

Nevertheless, I don't know about pitbulls. I'm sure people freak out about them unduly, but I would not want a dog that had that kind of killing power.

WTH? ALL dogs need to be properly socialized. The worst dogs I've been around have been the ankle biter variety. Why? Cause their farking owners don't think they need to be trained because they are small.


Holy shiat, THIS. If you can't (or won't) care for your dogs, you don't deserve to own one.

Pit Bulls are big lugs who naturally love people. All of the biting/killing stories come from neglect and/or abuse. The problem is that the breed is viewed as a status symbol in certain circles for it's fighting prowess, and to get the dog to adopt that mindset, abuse is needed. Pits aren't born that way.
 
2013-02-02 09:26:21 PM  

Ghastly: Gleeman: Statistics, how do they work?

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.

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Poor as in bad, not as in financially. But if that's where you head is at, do go on.
 
2013-02-02 09:28:53 PM  
The only time I "get ready" while walking my boy around the apartment complex and another dog comes around, is if the dog is physically able to inflict serious harm very quickly.  That includes lovable Mr. Golden Retriever.

Dogs are easy to read.  They can't fake or lie.  Their posturing is an easy give away.

Yeah yeah, someone reply with the reporter getting her face mauled by the police dog.  Unfortunate for her.  To that dog, that was just a "WTF GET AWAY!" that went wrong.  If that dog could use the castle doctrine, it would.

That was probably my mostest dumbest comment here ever.

I love dogs and miss having one.

/whippets FTW
 
2013-02-02 09:30:30 PM  
My monstrous terror mauling my children:

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-02 09:33:00 PM  
The worst dog behavior I've ever seen was from a dachshund/beagle mix.  Dumb as a post, never properly trained or socialized.  The family that owned her got her because "the kids wanted a dog", and pretty much the only attention she got was from the 4/6 year old kids rough-housing and teasing her.  Since I had to help my now ex-gf babysit these kids I had to deal with the dog too.  One time she tried to take some food off a plate I had in my lap, and I bopped her on the nose, so she snapped at me.  She finally treated me with a bit of respect after I pinned her to the floor by her neck and held her there until she stopped struggling.
 
2013-02-02 09:33:03 PM  

doglover: Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.

Actually it's disenfranchised young men who shouldn't have dangerous things.

When was the last time you saw a black kid shoot people randomly in a school? Gangs are business, and while bloody are usually at least professional. The real crazies are a liability and get weeded out.

But suburban white kids with lots of time and money, but no friends? They plot Columbines.


No shiat.

I lived in the ghetto about two years ago. My parents were against it. Two weeks after I moved there was a hextuple homicide two blocks over. An argument had started at a party and someone had just gone off. Everyone who got shot was armed. My parents found out and asked me if I was worried enough to move out.

I pointed out that as long as Ashley and I didn't attend a house party full of gang members we would probably be ok. Also the weed house across the street was our neighborhood watch. They didn't need the trouble of having two white kids across the street messed with.
 
2013-02-02 09:34:47 PM  

Ghastly: pitbulls with guns in their mouths so that when they bark they shoot guns at you.


Ha!
 
2013-02-02 09:38:38 PM  
Pits are a disproportionately dangerous breed, not because of genetics.  The fact is that an abusive, ignorant asshole is far more likely to be on the other end of the leash of a pit than any other breed in the US today.   Until I know an owner and the dog, all dogs are unfriendly, and pits are more likely to be unfriendly than other breeds.

I don't really give a shiat whether I'm being unfair to the dog or the owner by pre-judging them.  My responsibility is to protect my family and my balls.
 
2013-02-02 09:38:46 PM  

orclover: My son was maybe four when we picked up Pippy the pitbull from the pound.  A street runaway that the shelter staff had spent over three months training and teaching tricks.  When I picked her up she was extremely well disciplined and very well trained.  But she still was a pitbull, scary scary pitbull, big and strong. My son of course immediately started climbing all over her and roughhousing with her as soon as she got home and we got very paranoid, never left them alone for the first week, just dreading her taking his head off.  She never even grumbled, just licked his face constantly and enjoyed the attention.  Within the first few days she was sleeping in his bed with him every night right next to him.  Very sweet, adorable.  Until I walked in there in the middle of the night after hitting the bathroom at 1am, I found his face covered in blood and her next to him wimpering. I had one of those moments of time freezing, looking at her thinking "im gonna kill you dog...".  Well no, he had a nosebleed, it didnt even wake him up and she was worried about him.  But for about a half a second there!

Been 5 years and shes been sleeping in his bed every night.
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Sniffle! I really miss my old dog, and now that I have my boy I want him to have one too.  Small apartment, single Dad, no time, etc. etc.

Thanks for that man!
 
2013-02-02 09:40:55 PM  

doglover: The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward


It's not cowardice to treat all dogs as dangerous until you know better.  It's common f*cking sense.  Likewise, it's common f*cking sense to realize that pits are more likely to be dangerous because they are more likely to be "cared for" by abusive owners.
 
2013-02-02 09:42:14 PM  
Yay!
My first Green!
After hundreds of tries, I finally get a green.
I'm so proud!
/and drunk
 
2013-02-02 09:42:16 PM  

Ghastly: doglover: Ghastly: So much like guns the argument seems to be Pit Bulls are perfectly safe in the hands of white suburbanites but when urban blacks have them they become dispensers of death and carnage.

Actually it's disenfranchised young men who shouldn't have dangerous things.

When was the last time you saw a black kid shoot people randomly in a school? Gangs are business, and while bloody are usually at least professional. The real crazies are a liability and get weeded out.

But suburban white kids with lots of time and money, but no friends? They plot Columbines.

Ah but the white suburbanites wouldn't need those guns their kids shoot up schools with if it weren't for those violent urban blacks with their guns and their pitbulls... and their pitbulls with guns in their mouths so that when they bark they shoot guns at you.


Trademark that. Trademark that right now.
 
2013-02-02 09:42:19 PM  
So how many deaths by Poodle last year?
 
2013-02-02 09:45:08 PM  
So... there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's 'The Internet'.

The article (which defends pitbulls) quotes an article from the Forensic Science Journal, but fails to quote this from it:

The six breeds most commonly identified as vicious are Akita, Chow (Chow Chow), Doberman, Pit Bull,Rottweiler, and Wolf-mix

Ta-da!
 
2013-02-02 09:52:57 PM  

Wolfling: So... there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's 'The Internet'.

The article (which defends pitbulls) quotes an article from the Forensic Science Journal, but fails to quote this from it:

The six breeds most commonly identified as vicious are Akita, Chow (Chow Chow), Doberman, Pit Bull,Rottweiler, and Wolf-mix

Ta-da!


Chows.... now there was a bread that screamed "I'm a trendy douche" back in the 70s.
 
2013-02-02 09:53:37 PM  

kombat_unit: doglover: The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward.

Weapons grade stupid.


Your self reflection is the best thing I have seen from a lib from a long time. Now that you are aware, how will you overcome your limitation kombat_unit?
 
2013-02-02 09:53:43 PM  
Dogs reflect their owners.
If you are an ignorant dick-head, chances are that your dog will be one to.
 
2013-02-02 10:00:20 PM  

Spirit Hammer: Dogs reflect their owners.
If you are an ignorant dick-head, chances are that your dog will be one to.


So, am I to take it that your dog can't spell?
 
2013-02-02 10:02:02 PM  

Moonfisher: I had a landlord tell me my dog violated the lease, which barred tenents from having pitbulls. My dog was a bassette hound. She made me prove it by bringing a letter from the vet. Dog racism: almost as stupid as people racism.

/Whar dog birf certificate!?


You cannot possibly be serious. Either that was one incredibly ugly basset hound, or your landlord was blind.
 
2013-02-02 10:02:27 PM  

lewismarktwo: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?

Craziest, meanest dog I ever saw was a black lab.


I've seen several large poodles that were down right nasty.

/anecdotal - Not saying Poodles are inherently vicious. Although, I personally can't stand the breed.
 
2013-02-02 10:03:25 PM  

Wolfling: So... there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's 'The Internet'.

The article (which defends pitbulls) quotes an article from the Forensic Science Journal, but fails to quote this from it:

The six breeds most commonly identified as vicious are Akita, Chow (Chow Chow), Doberman, Pit Bull,Rottweiler, and Wolf-mix

Ta-da!


Page one and you can't even see the references without buying the article.

I'm convinced, time to shoot my Pit before he eats the neighborhood children.
 
2013-02-02 10:04:32 PM  

edmo: So how many deaths by Poodle last year?


Well for every man that owns one and is seen in public with it, he dies a little inside.  It all adds up.
 
2013-02-02 10:04:39 PM  

Wolfling: Spirit Hammer: Dogs reflect their owners.
If you are an ignorant dick-head, chances are that your dog will be one to.

So, am I to take it that your dog can't spell?


Did you miss the part where I was drunk?
 
2013-02-02 10:05:30 PM  

Wolfling: Spirit Hammer: Dogs reflect their owners.
If you are an ignorant dick-head, chances are that your dog will be one to.

So, am I to take it that your dog can't spell?


caT fUD --->
 
2013-02-02 10:05:51 PM  

Wolfling: So... there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's 'The Internet'.

The article (which defends pitbulls) quotes an article from the Forensic Science Journal, but fails to quote this from it:

The six breeds most commonly identified as vicious are Akita, Chow (Chow Chow), Doberman, Pit Bull,Rottweiler, and Wolf-mix

Ta-da!


It says "identified by insurance companies".  The key to realizing it's retarded information is seeing "Wolf-mix" listed, of which there are so few around that you'd more likely be hit by a meteor.
 
2013-02-02 10:09:24 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Every pitbull I've ever come across has been sweet as hell.


this. just want to lick stuff, and rub ass on carpet.
 
2013-02-02 10:11:03 PM  
FTA: "86 percent of fatal canine attacks involve an unneutered male, according to the American Humane Society..."


Funny, but about 86 percent of fatal human attacks involve an unneutered human male, according to the FBI.

If memory serves


/Testicles
//Outlaw them
///Think of the children
 
2013-02-02 10:12:44 PM  

Government Fromage: No No No we need to limit them to 10 teeth.


10 teeth? That's decadent.
 
2013-02-02 10:16:54 PM  
There are no bad dogs, there are bad dog owners. If you've never met or seen damn scary pits you've stayed out of the right neighborhoods that's all. Lowlife scumbags surround themselves with all sorts of weapons. These are the same people that are having multiple babbys with multiple babbys mommas.

There is a lad on the Main St of my little idiot town that thinks he's living on the means streets of Newark or Camden. White boy dresses like a hip hop moran and walks like he has a load in his pants. He has an out of control pit he can barely hold back on its chain leash. it is a walking cliche. Just a matter of time before some little kid gets bit up and Mr Moran is out one dog. Personally I think we should fast forward and euthanize Mr Moran.
 
2013-02-02 10:18:45 PM  
I noticed the article doesn't address the breed's aggression (or non-aggression) towards other dogs.
Years ago my 25 lb. mutt was involved in an unprovoked attack by a 50 lb. pitbull. The unleashed pit charged across the street and grabbed my dog by the neck.
It took two men to stop the attack. One jumped on the pitbull's back and the other grabbed the pitbull by the balls.
My dog ended up with seven stitches on her neck.
This is why I avoid the breed today.
 
2013-02-02 10:24:49 PM  

Ghastly: doglover:

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal


I don't recall too many stories about plantation owners who took their slaves out for walks and then scooped up their poop and carried it around in a little plastic bag until they got to a garbage can then gave their laves a treat and snuggled up on the couch with them and rubbed their bellies.

Not even on nifty.org.


You should read Thomas Jefferson's hidden diary ; )
 
2013-02-02 10:26:55 PM  
Nice pictures in TFA.

i192.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-02 10:27:43 PM  

Amos Quito: FTA: "86 percent of fatal canine attacks involve an unneutered male, according to the American Humane Society..."


Funny, but about 86 percent of fatal human attacks involve an unneutered human male, according to the FBI.

If memory serves


/Testicles
//Outlaw them
///Think of the children


The other 14 percent involve a pussy-whipped male?
 
2013-02-02 10:28:25 PM  

A stranger in the Alps: [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x313]

It can be a solid plan.




You have yours; I have mine.....

i291.photobucket.com


NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-02 10:31:20 PM  

SmithHiller: I noticed the article doesn't address the breed's aggression (or non-aggression) towards other dogs.
Years ago my 25 lb. mutt was involved in an unprovoked attack by a 50 lb. pitbull. The unleashed pit charged across the street and grabbed my dog by the neck.
It took two men to stop the attack. One jumped on the pitbull's back and the other grabbed the pitbull by the balls.
My dog ended up with seven stitches on her neck.
This is why I avoid the breed today.


CSB Deja vu!  My dog was attacked while I was walking her by a lab and a cattle dog that broke out of their fence and ran across the street.  She needed about seven stitches too!  We should totally hang out.
 
2013-02-02 10:33:14 PM  

noitsnot: SmithHiller: I noticed the article doesn't address the breed's aggression (or non-aggression) towards other dogs.
Years ago my 25 lb. mutt was involved in an unprovoked attack by a 50 lb. pitbull. The unleashed pit charged across the street and grabbed my dog by the neck.
It took two men to stop the attack. One jumped on the pitbull's back and the other grabbed the pitbull by the balls.
My dog ended up with seven stitches on her neck.
This is why I avoid the breed today.

CSB Deja vu!  My dog was attacked while I was walking her by a lab and a cattle dog that broke out of their fence and ran across the street.  She needed about seven stitches too!  We should totally hang out.


I should add that nobody's balls were grabbed during my incident - so that does make yours more spicy.
 
2013-02-02 10:33:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Amos Quito: FTA: "86 percent of fatal canine attacks involve an unneutered male, according to the American Humane Society..."


Funny, but about 86 percent of fatal human attacks involve an unneutered human male, according to the FBI.

If memory serves


/Testicles
//Outlaw them
///Think of the children

The other 14 percent involve a pussy-whipped male?


Ya know sometimes a girl just decides I gotta kill that biatch of a man I'm with : )
 
2013-02-02 10:33:45 PM  

megarian: ^I agree with the black lab comment up there. I had my face munched on by an insane black lab.


My compliments to your plastic surgeon!
 
2013-02-02 10:35:51 PM  
Pit Bulls and Rottweilers are always at the top of the list for dog attacks. Both breeds should be exterminated.
 
2013-02-02 10:45:06 PM  

Gleeman: Statistics, how do they work?


By obfuscation. The article you linked to is an example.  The methodology is egregiously flawed, but most people will skip the dense blah-blah and jump straight to the bullshiat list.

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.

The biggest parts.
 
2013-02-02 10:45:46 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?


Yes.

I know some surgeons who've fixed a lot of dog bites over the years, and they say that it's always, "But he's such a sweet dog who's never done anything like this before." Then you happen to talk to some other family members and find out it's bitten every single one of them.
 
2013-02-02 10:48:04 PM  

vinniethepoo: We need a law similar to Canada's "Truth in Journalism" act. Media could still say anything it wants to as long as non-factual pieces are clearly marked "Editorial" or "Opinion." Anything presented as an actual news item needs to meet certain basic fact-checking standards. The rights of the people to be given factual, unsensationalized news on which to base their decisions outweighs the right of media to enjoy completely uncontrolled, anarchical "free speach."

Lying or exagerating in a news story needs to be treated as the journalistic equivalent of shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater. I'm looking at YOU, Faux News (though all media's guilty to some extent.)


The trouble is that everybody's got an expert, and a corporation can hire more experts than an individual. So we're stuck having to think for ourselves...again
 
2013-02-02 10:48:16 PM  

catsfish: I've spent a lot of time on crutches over the last 3 years. For some reason a lot of those dogs don't like people on crutches. I've had four instances  of being lunged at/snapped at/cornered. My 8yr old son was with me for two of them.

I know two people who think those dogs can go DIAF.


Predators always go for the weak.
 
2013-02-02 10:49:39 PM  

catsfish: I've spent a lot of time on crutches over the last 3 years. For some reason a lot of those dogs don't like people on crutches. I've had four instances  of being lunged at/snapped at/cornered. My 8yr old son was with me for two of them.

I know two people who think those dogs can go DIAF.


And my rescue is scared of ball throwers because some ass beat him with a stick at some point. And you're walking around waving two really huge sticks.
 
2013-02-02 10:54:41 PM  
Dogs aren't mindless. They reason in their own ways and have memories.
 
2013-02-02 10:55:02 PM  

Wolfling: So... there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's 'The Internet'.

The article (which defends pitbulls) quotes an article from the Forensic Science Journal, but fails to quote this from it:

The six breeds most commonly identified as vicious are Akita, Chow (Chow Chow), Doberman, Pit Bull,Rottweiler, and Wolf-mix

Ta-da!


The article's subject is "the antisocial behaviors and psychological characteristics of owners" of those breeds.  It attempts to answer the question, "What kind of person wants a dog commonly identified as vicious?"  It says nothing about whether a breed is or isn't vicious.
 
2013-02-02 10:55:06 PM  
www.wearysloth.com

"The Israelis?"
 
2013-02-02 11:00:37 PM  
This thread needs more cute floppy puppy faces.

/does not have one
//Our family has a grumpy older cat that I am personally convinced is Morgoth incarnate in a fluffy kitty body.  She would probably eat an APBT alive.
 
2013-02-02 11:04:09 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?

Yes.

I know some surgeons who've fixed a lot of dog bites over the years, and they say that it's always, "But he's such a sweet dog who's never done anything like this before." Then you happen to talk to some other family members and find out it's bitten every single one of them.


That's good to hear.  I have never believed anyone who told me, "Oh, he's friendly!" while their motherfarkin' mutt was growling and lunging at me.
 
2013-02-02 11:06:56 PM  

DrPainMD: Pit Bulls and Rottweilers are always at the top of the list for dog attacks. Both breeds should be exterminated.


That's the "crazy axe to grind kook" article.  If you google "dog kills child" or "dog kills woman" etc., you get a different story:  Jack Russell, Golden Retriever, Pit Bull, Husky, Mastiff, Lab, Mastiff again, Golden-Lab, GSD, Lab-Bulldog.

(That was the first two pages of results of google for "dog kills child".  The same pit bull attack came up reported multiple times, and the second page had an article that had "pit bull attacks..." in the headline, then the article text said "shelter officials identified the dog as a Labrador-American Bulldog mix".)

This one is the real article:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_bite

I've worked with plenty of pit bulls in a rescue group - we even had one of the dogs from the Michael Vick bust.  They are not a big deal.
 
2013-02-02 11:08:50 PM  

vinniethepoo: We need a law similar to Canada's "Truth in Journalism" act. Media could still say anything it wants to as long as non-factual pieces are clearly marked "Editorial" or "Opinion." Anything presented as an actual news item needs to meet certain basic fact-checking standards. The rights of the people to be given factual, unsensationalized news on which to base their decisions outweighs the right of media to enjoy completely uncontrolled, anarchical "free speach."

Lying or exagerating in a news story needs to be treated as the journalistic equivalent of shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater. I'm looking at YOU, Faux News (though all media's guilty to some extent.)


Fun fact "Sun News" (the Canadian Foxs News wannabe) has recently petitioned to be mandatory on basic cable cause no one's subscribing.  We Canucks only want to be lied to by our politicians thank you very much!  (who ironically are exempt form truth in advertising laws...)

But as to dogs...I've only ever been bitten by two.  One was the neighbor's Pomeranian who was hiding under a car on the street and quite literally ambushed me when I bent to tie my shoe (got me on the hand...I had no idea he was there).  The other was a freaky bulging eyed Dachshund who arbitrarily ran up and bit me in the ankle at my hubby's uncle's house (I wasn't the dog's first or last victim so clearly it was a temperament/training issue).  I am an animal lover, but in general I've found that I watch smaller breeds more carefully as they seem are more aggressive and prone to try to bite than large breeds.

Oh and from TFA "In Canada, Siberian huskies have often played the role of killer-hound." I have never heard of this.  Huskies are adorable.
 
2013-02-02 11:14:29 PM  
Pit Bulls are almost as fanatical as religious loons.

Darla Napora and her husband belonged to a group called Bay Area Doglovers Responsible About Pittbulls (BADRAP). As you can imagine, the group exists to tell us how wonderful and misunderstood pit bulls are.  Even after Mr. Napora came home to find their pit bull had killed his wife and unborn child, he continued to preach the virtues of pit bulls.  He even had the homicidal pit bull, who died while attacking police, buried next to his wife.

link
 
2013-02-02 11:22:40 PM  

doglover: The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward.


Yeah, it's a side effect of sustainable population practices.  Since you AREN'T shiatting out spare crotch-goblins you can't afford to lose the only one or two you got.

It's subconscious, and no one would openly and seriously admit that their surplus spawn make them more laid-back about potential injuries to one but it's true.
 
2013-02-02 11:31:15 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: DownDaRiver: Thought the article would be about cats and how their uncontrolled behavior is resulting in the millions of native species that are mindlessly killed by them.
And the children part would be about how society brain-washes little girls and little girly-boys into believing that cats make good pets.

Cats are not pets; they're parasites.


Cat hater circle jerk! Whoooo!
 
2013-02-02 11:39:14 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: BarkingUnicorn: doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.

So all those people who say, "He was sweet as pie until he ate the baby" are lying?

Yes.

I know some surgeons who've fixed a lot of dog bites over the years, and they say that it's always, "But he's such a sweet dog who's never done anything like this before." Then you happen to talk to some other family members and find out it's bitten every single one of them.


Exactly this.  I'm a vet.  Plenty of times a dog will show signs of aggression and the owners feel compelled to tell me "oh she wouldn't hurt a fly" or "he's never behaved that way before".  When I question them further (since I usually want to discuss ways to help with the problem) I'll start to get more information like "oh well he does bark and growl whenever people come to the house...but that's just being a good guard dog.  We put him in the basement when company comes over" or "yeah, we don't really walk him much.  He hates other dogs...and people on bikes...and runners...and it's really just too much trouble to take him anywhere so he hardly ever goes out except when he comes here".  People often don't understand the signs of a fearful, poorly-socialized dog who is likely to react strongly to a new or scary stimulus.

Also, when bad things happen, people usually want to forget reasons that it could be their fault and pretend it couldn't be avoided.  Yeah, he suddenly went crazy and ate the baby without any warning at all...except all those times when he tried to run away or hide when the kid came around to pull his ears or those few times he growled but they just laughed it off.  Also, they won't remember the way he always avoided children before because when the new baby came along they assumed he'd immediately love her as much as they did and there was no need for supervision.

Those stories are tragic and some dogs do "just go off" but I take them with a grain of salt.
 
2013-02-02 11:43:44 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: Cat hater circle jerk!


Don't GIS for "cathater circle jerk"
 
2013-02-02 11:47:03 PM  
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Pitbull slaughtering a cat
 
2013-02-02 11:52:38 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: megarian: ^I agree with the black lab comment up there. I had my face munched on by an insane black lab.

My compliments to your plastic surgeon!


Thanks! He was part pit bull. He still refuses to dock my tail, though :(.

/what? I wanted to look tougher
 
2013-02-02 11:54:05 PM  

doglover: i upped my meds-up yours: Cat hater circle jerk!

Don't GIS for "cathater circle jerk"


I lol'd. New keyboard, please. And another beer.
 
2013-02-02 11:58:05 PM  

megarian: doglover: i upped my meds-up yours: Cat hater circle jerk!

Don't GIS for "cathater circle jerk"

I lol'd. New keyboard, please. And another beer.


Hands funny girl a beer, sorry you have to find you're own new keyboard : )
 
2013-02-03 12:00:10 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: doglover: i upped my meds-up yours: Cat hater circle jerk!

Don't GIS for "cathater circle jerk"

I lol'd. New keyboard, please. And another beer.

Hands funny girl a beer, sorry you have to find you're own new keyboard : )


*sigh* life is one tragedy after another.
 
2013-02-03 12:03:06 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: doglover: i upped my meds-up yours: Cat hater circle jerk!

Don't GIS for "cathater circle jerk"

I lol'd. New keyboard, please. And another beer.

Hands funny girl a beer, sorry you have to find you're own new keyboard : )


Btw, I have you fav'd as "HAWT". I forget the specifics of the fav'd-ness, but yeah...there's that.
 
2013-02-03 12:08:11 AM  

megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: doglover: i upped my meds-up yours: Cat hater circle jerk!

Don't GIS for "cathater circle jerk"

I lol'd. New keyboard, please. And another beer.

Hands funny girl a beer, sorry you have to find you're own new keyboard : )

Btw, I have you fav'd as "HAWT". I forget the specifics of the fav'd-ness, but yeah...there's that.


Swoon ; )
 
2013-02-03 12:13:34 AM  
Exactly this.  I'm a vet.  Plenty of times a dog will show signs of aggression and the owners feel compelled to tell me "oh she wouldn't hurt a fly" or "he's never behaved that way before".  When I question them further (since I usually want to discuss ways to help with the problem) I'll start to get more information like "oh well he does bark and growl whenever people come to the house...but that's just being a good guard dog.  We put him in the basement when company comes over" or "yeah, we don't really walk him much.  He hates other dogs...and people on bikes...and runners...and it's really just too much trouble to take him anywhere so he hardly ever goes out except when he comes here".  People often don't understand the signs of a fearful, poorly-socialized dog who is likely to react strongly to a new or scary stimulus.

Also, when bad things happen, people usually want to forget reasons that it could be their fault and pretend it couldn't be avoided.  Yeah, he suddenly went crazy and ate the baby without any warning at all...except all those times when he tried to run away or hide when the kid came around to pull his ears or those few times he growled but they just laughed it off.  Also, they won't remember the way he always avoided children before because when the new baby came along they assumed he'd immediately love her as much as they did and there was no need for supervision.

Those stories are tragic and some dogs do "just go off" but I take them with a grain of salt.


We've had our dog about 3 1/2 years and only once have a I had to say "she's never done this before" and:
A) it was true, but
B) I felt like a complete toolbag saying it.

We has friends over with kids, boy and girl, similar ages to our son (about 9 at the time).  The dog was fine if our son played with the boy, or both other kids, but if he played just with the girl she (the dog) jumped in and growled.  We had truly never seen our dog do that before (and have not seen it since).  Maybe it was some kind of canine jealousy.
 
2013-02-03 12:35:01 AM  
The people that say, "He's a big baby! Our dog has never bitten anyone!" are the same types who say, "Our boy is nice and polite! He never has attacked anyone!" after the cops start pulling heads out of the freezer.
 
2013-02-03 12:45:45 AM  

Moonfisher: I had a landlord tell me my dog violated the lease, which barred tenents from having pitbulls. My dog was a bassette hound. She made me prove it by bringing a letter from the vet. Dog racism: almost as stupid as people racism.

/Whar dog birf certificate!?


Wait. She mistook a basset for a pit bull? Seriously? How is she able to dress herself in the morning?
 
2013-02-03 12:51:50 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: DownDaRiver: Thought the article would be about cats and how their uncontrolled behavior is resulting in the millions of native species that are mindlessly killed by them.
And the children part would be about how society brain-washes little girls and little girly-boys into believing that cats make good pets.

Cats are not pets; they're parasites owners.


Fixed.
 
2013-02-03 01:15:09 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Every pitbull I've ever come across has been sweet as hell.


I'm guessing this mostly means that you don't have friends that are assholes.
 
2013-02-03 02:25:56 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Moonfisher: I had a landlord tell me my dog violated the lease, which barred tenents from having pitbulls. My dog was a bassette hound. She made me prove it by bringing a letter from the vet. Dog racism: almost as stupid as people racism.

/Whar dog birf certificate!?

You cannot possibly be serious. Either that was one incredibly ugly basset hound, or your landlord was blind.


Incredibly adorable dog, but remarkably stupid. Not as stupid as that landlord. I had already lived there with that dog for three years when the dumbass bought the property and took over. She thought that somehow meant she didn't have to repair and upkeep the property. I had to have code enforcement set her straight when the water heater broke. I was so happy when I moved.
 
2013-02-03 02:56:19 AM  

USP .45: vinniethepoo: 

If I was trying to troll everyone into thinking I'm a hardcore totalitarian leftist, I'd write what you just wrote.


/FTFM
//Whether you turn away from ethical life choices to the right or left, eventually you are looking backwards. The main differences between reactionaries and radicals are their justifications, not their outcomes.
///I suggest the WW2 history book Blood, Toil, Sweat, & Tears, the section about the German-Soviet conflict.
 
2013-02-03 04:02:35 AM  
Ftfa: "Only a Monster Could Support Breed-Specific Bans"

Lotta irrationality from both sides of the debate.

Yes, your pit bull might be sweet. That doesn't mean that there isn't a huge problem with pit bulls in our society.

I don't know the answer to it, but yes, there are a lot of terrible dog owners out there, and many have pits.

The fact remains, pits have the propensity to inflict huge damage. To people as well as to other dogs.

They are fiercely loyal and protective of their owners. They are incredibly strong, and they are often nippy with powerful jaws.

Smaller dogs may bite more often, but their bites are rarely fatal or cause maiming.

Pits need a ton of training, they aren't the easiest dog to own. There's a reason that humane societies are jam packed with pits and pit mixes.

I strongly believe that owning a pit is akin to owning a gun.

And I say all this as a pit owner.
 
myc
2013-02-03 04:12:42 AM  

DrRatchet: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 610x343]

Just try to get close to that baby!


Came for the Portal 2 reference, leaving satisfied.

/Fark never disappoints.
 
2013-02-03 06:25:36 AM  

Gleeman: Statistics, how do they work?

But poor owners and puppy mills/inbreeding are part of the problem too.


Do you believe there are only 2683 pitbulls in the the country studied? I assume it's the U.S. If so, that means there are only an average of a little over 53 pitbulls per state. 53.66, to be exact. I live in a city in Wisconsin of about 70-80,000 people. I can guaranty there are at least 53 pitbulls living in just my city. I say those 'statistics' are bullshiat. Taking data that is made up out of thin air doesn't count as data. If an animal control officer tells you an animal is one breed, but you decide to report it as another doesn't mean that what you are reporting is true.

Facts- how do they work?
 
2013-02-03 07:33:00 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Every pitbull I've ever come across has been sweet as hell.


Pervert!
 
2013-02-03 08:52:47 AM  
I don't know if it has been said, this is a huge thread to entirely review, but I'll say it anyways. Pit bulls or American Pitbull Terriers which are closely linked with American Staffordshire Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers,  were purposefully bred a long time to assist in the hunting of big game as take down dogs. The kind of prey they were used for in hunting did not require long hunts of wearing down the prey till it collapsed from exhaustion. They were tasked in collectively taking down prey such as bear, boar(wild hog/pig) or wild cattle. Later they were put into pits(hence the name)to be used for entertainment in the acts of bull and bear baiting, later rat and dog fighting. However, despite this long history of being bred for the attacking animals of varying species, they were also consistently bred for their temperament towards humans being of a totally sweet-natured and affectionate demeanor for one simple reason; At the end of either the hunt or the sport entertainment, the dog needs to be either pulled away from the animal to deliver the finishing blow in the hunt or to end the spectacle in the pits. And in this action the dog were to continue in endeavors once it smelled, heard or sighted a human, it would be impossible to work with. This is the essence of breeding, to cultivate characteristics that are instinctual and easily trained during the life of the animal due it's natural disposition. In order to get a pitbull or similar varietals to be violent towards humans, you have to break their breeding. Once you have done that, you don't know what that animal will do, you can no longer rely on it to do or not do anything. It is not a guard dog breed and never should be made into one.
 
2013-02-03 11:33:28 AM  
My wife was bitten in the forehead years ago by a farking Dalmatian. Luckily, a really good plastic surgeon was available to do some of the best work I've ever seen, the wound is not detectable (97 stitches later). He told us that he hates to see any re-release or sequels of the "101 Dalmatian" movies, it's almost guaranteed that he will end up doing the same sort of procedure on a child after Spot snaps.
 
2013-02-03 11:56:30 AM  

DrPainMD: Pit Bulls and Rottweilers are always at the top of the list for dog attacks. Both breeds should be exterminated.


From 1/4 inch above the "statistics" you linked: "the reported breeds listed below may be inaccurate, as actual canine heritage often was not tested and was usually reported based on the visual report of a witness. Large, muscular, large-headed canines may commonly be mislabeled as "pit bulls" or "rottweilers," dramatically skewing the results below. " - At least Wikipedia is honest enough to admit that those numbers of bullshiat, now if only we can do the same for you than we'd be set.
 
2013-02-03 11:59:36 AM  
Haha! The joke's on them killing machines! You are SO screw'd! The kids are mindless; the kids love to kill. I just gave them aluminum bats and they know where I keep the blunderbuss!
 
2013-02-03 12:01:34 PM  

NameDot: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 574x960]
Pitbull slaughtering a cat


Oh, the caninity!

/The slobber ... the slobber ...
 
2013-02-03 12:03:34 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Every pitbull I've ever come across has been sweet as hell.


Clearly: it's your winning personality.
 
2013-02-03 12:30:47 PM  

Almea Tarrant: Oh and from TFA "In Canada, Siberian huskies have often played the role of killer-hound." I have never heard of this.  Huskies are adorable.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've never been around a sled team.  They're not feral per se, but it's definitely a pack hierarchy.  Suddenly finding yourself on the wrong end of an alpha struggle could be a very bad thing for an adult, let alone a child.
 
2013-02-03 02:52:10 PM  

trackerbri: Almea Tarrant: Oh and from TFA "In Canada, Siberian huskies have often played the role of killer-hound." I have never heard of this.  Huskies are adorable.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've never been around a sled team.  They're not feral per se, but it's definitely a pack hierarchy.  Suddenly finding yourself on the wrong end of an alpha struggle could be a very bad thing for an adult, let alone a child.


Sled dogs aren't pets.  The conditions surrounding sled dogs don't apply to this discussion.
 
2013-02-03 03:02:02 PM  

doglover: Pit Bulls are one of the nicest dog breeds by volume.

The problem is, much like guns, is that the average person is coward. The average person doesn't want to say "Poor young men from the inner city have a farked up culture and they like kill each other and abuse animals for sport because it gives them status in their farked up little world." They don't want to admit that "If someone beat me with a stick all the time and shocked my balls with a taser and then left me chained to a tree and hungry I'd probably chew somoene's face off, too." because they're afraid of the truth about all life, even themselves.

The truth is that dogs are a slave caste of animal and pit bulls are the preferred breed to train up as gladiators and thugs. Why? Because when they bite, they mean business. They're used and abused and trained up into biters to maximize the mouth. That doesn't mean they're naturally more violent. It's like saying blacks naturally tended to chain themselves up, avoid education, and perform back-breaking physical labor in Colonial America. Something that is inflicted upon a group is not a natural trait of that group.


Aside from humans, dogs are the most intelligent beings on the planet. They are demonstrably more intelligent than chimps, parrots, dolphins, anything. Further, their intelligence is based almost entirely on empathy - with us, their evolutionary best friend.

That people make dogs, of all species they could use, fight, even to the death, it's abhorrent to my mind. You're taking a creature that lives on its emotional connection to man, and pervert it into a creature of pain and hate.

Frankly, I think people who run dog fighting rings should be shot.

/Just wound them, I guess.
//I'm not in favour of the death penalty
///But dog fighting? Come on, somebody should hurt real farking bad for that.
 
2013-02-03 04:13:23 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: trackerbri: Almea Tarrant: Oh and from TFA "In Canada, Siberian huskies have often played the role of killer-hound." I have never heard of this.  Huskies are adorable.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've never been around a sled team.  They're not feral per se, but it's definitely a pack hierarchy.  Suddenly finding yourself on the wrong end of an alpha struggle could be a very bad thing for an adult, let alone a child.

Sled dogs aren't pets.  The conditions surrounding sled dogs don't apply to this discussion.


I was replying to the poster saying they were 'adorable'.  Spend any time around a sled team and that wears off quickly.  Huskies are brutish, semi-wild and stupid.  They seem to get exponentially more stupid the more dogs you add to the team.

'Sled dog breeds' (Huskies, Malamutes and mixes of those breeds I'd assume) account for 20 out of 47 of the fatal maulings reported in Canada between 1964 and 2010.  In the US stats, Huskies are number 3 on the fatal mauling list (behind Rottweillers and Pitbulls) between 1984 and 2010.  Even the VP of the Canadian Siberian Husky Association is quoted as saying that Huskies have a high prey drive and desire to kill.  Given that's coming from the breed association I'd consider that an informed comment.
 
2013-02-03 04:19:44 PM  

USP .45: vinniethepoo: We need a law similar to Canada's "Truth in Journalism" act. Media could still say anything it wants to as long as non-factual pieces are clearly marked "Editorial" or "Opinion." Anything presented as an actual news item needs to meet certain basic fact-checking standards. The rights of the people to be given factual, unsensationalized news on which to base their decisions outweighs the right of media to enjoy completely uncontrolled, anarchical "free speach."

Lying or exagerating in a news story needs to be treated as the journalistic equivalent of shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater. I'm looking at YOU, Faux News (though all media's guilty to some extent.)

If I was trying to troll everyone into thinking I'm a hardcore totalitarian leftist, I'd write what you just wrote.


Thanks! I take that as a compliment.

Actually, I would hope that the mere talk by the government about possibly imposing such a law would encourage journalists to self-regulate by forming some sort of an professional association like doctors and lawyers have. Membership would be required in order to practice, and violation of basic ethical standards would get a reporter or newscaster censured, suspended or kicked out.

But none of this is going to happen in today's political climate in America. Still, a man can dream.
 
2013-02-03 05:07:29 PM  
LavenderWolf:
"Aside from humans, dogs are the most intelligent beings on the planet. They are demonstrably more intelligent than chimps, parrots, dolphins, anything. Further, their intelligence is based almost entirely on empathy"

Saying something like it is fact does not make it true.
 
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