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2013-02-02 06:38:46 PM
I don't believe in ghosts. Most of the phenomena can be explained by the human body reacting to a situation because of evolution. If a house settles it makes a noise. Because you don't know what the noise is, you react to it like there was something there. If you tend to believe in ghosts, then what you heard was a ghost. Even if you don't believe in ghosts, your brain is wired to be fearful of what you can't see and don't understand.
 
2013-02-02 06:40:54 PM

FloydA: ItchyMcDoogle: Came for the smug leaving with a years supply of smug after only 22 posts.

Not saying I believe in ghosts but when you get around my age if you have not seen one or two things you cant explain then sucks for you.


"I can't explain everything I've seen, therefore the souls of the dead remain walking the earth in eternal torment, bound and imprisoned on this physical plane, forever seeking atonement for their sins and forgiveness that will never come!"

Umm nope. And who exactly said that? You? I don't believe that the souls of people wander around the earth in ghostly linens forever to be repeating their last moments. However I DO believe that certain traumatic and horrific events can leave an "imprint" on certain places.

 
2013-02-02 06:41:15 PM

Tatterdemalian: jigger: BillCo: Remember folks, everyone who believes in something you don't that isn't real is a stupid simpleton

ftfy

Do you believe in wealth, laws, promises? None of those are real.

/this is why atheist ideologies end up just as insane as religious cults
//they believe in things that aren't real, they just try to change the definition of "real" to suit themselves


And this is where you show you're an idiot.
 
2013-02-02 06:41:30 PM
The haunting of a factory by George Bull will make you into a believer.
 
2013-02-02 06:41:40 PM

sharpie_69: Rufus Lee King: How is everyone so sure that there aren't ghosts?

How is everyone so sure there isn't a tiny invisible man who watches over your anus as night?


You leave Mr. Pillow Pants out of this!
 
2013-02-02 06:42:16 PM

Zombie DJ: I do. I've studied the Paranormal for over 30 years. I've got a great "laugh" from a cemetery I walked through.
When people ask me to give them proof there's ghosts, I just tell them it's not my job to make you believe.
That's YOUR job. Do your own homework. I do it for fun, not change the World.


That's how charlatans work.
 
2013-02-02 06:43:05 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Came for the smug leaving with a years supply of smug after only 22 posts.

Not saying I believe in ghosts but when you get around my age if you have not seen one or two things you cant explain then sucks for you.


Tide comes in, tide goes out, can't explain that!
 
2013-02-02 06:43:11 PM
99% of all hauntings are cats.
 
2013-02-02 06:43:50 PM

Zeppelininthesky: I don't believe in ghosts. Most of the phenomena can be explained by the human body reacting to a situation because of evolution. If a house settles it makes a noise. Because you don't know what the noise is, you react to it like there was something there. If you tend to believe in ghosts, then what you heard was a ghost. Even if you don't believe in ghosts, your brain is wired to be fearful of what you can't see and don't understand.


Basically this. Our minds are wondrous, but they also fark with us every day. It hasn't evolved to the point that it we are no longer cowering in caves or trees afraid with the good chance of being dragged off by a large predator.

*unfamiliar sound*
Rational part of the mind: What was that? I don't know what it is.
Instinctive mind: Run, asshole! It's some terrifying and huge with sharp teeth and you're going to die!

Very good when you're naked, hungry, and in the wild. Not so good when you're house is settling and you're half asleep.
 
2013-02-02 06:44:12 PM
Rustblade:

Umm nope. And who exactly said that? You? I don't believe that the souls of people wander around the earth in ghostly linens forever to be repeating their last moments. However I DO believe that certain traumatic and horrific events can leave an "imprint" on certain places.


How?

By what mechanism can a human's emotional trauma be "imprinted" on a place?   What are traumatic emotions made of, and how is that substance transferred from the mind of the individual to the location?
 
2013-02-02 06:44:35 PM
Meh...in a society where 90% (?) of people believe in "souls", I really can't get that worked up about the half of them who merely embellish an already silly and widely accepted idea.
 
2013-02-02 06:45:41 PM

Zeppelininthesky: I don't believe in ghosts. Most of the phenomena can be explained by the human body reacting to a situation because of evolution. If a house settles it makes a noise. Because you don't know what the noise is, you react to it like there was something there. If you tend to believe in ghosts, then what you heard was a ghost. Even if you don't believe in ghosts, your brain is wired to be fearful of what you can't see and don't understand.


Our brains come with hard-coded "co-processors" that go about their duties with no input or control from us. Some process sounds, some process taste, some keep a lookout for threats, some for mates, etc... Sometimes they misfire, especially the threat detectors. It's better to see a tiger hiding in the grass that doesn't actually exist than it is to not see the real tiger hiding in the grass.
 
2013-02-02 06:46:04 PM

FloydA: By what mechanism can a human's emotional trauma be "imprinted" on a place?   What are traumatic emotions made of, and how is that substance transferred from the mind of the individual to the location?


And why does the mechanism only seem to work upon someone's death? Can't this imprint happen from someone that has been sufficiently traumatized without them dying? Why not?
 
2013-02-02 06:47:42 PM

Tatterdemalian: I don't believe in ghosts as surviving spirits of people whose bodies have died, because they never seem to act appropriately. By which I mean, act how people typically act when given the slightest chance of not being retaliated against. They're always trying to keep people away from their property, or trying to get people to do things they tried but failed to accomplish before they died so they can "rest in peace," instead of waving their phantasmal genitalia around, invading large parties for the purpose of dry-humping the guests of honor, and otherwise trying to get away with things they didn't dare do when they were alive.

/I do, however, believe in ghosts as imaginary entities we conjure up to comfort ourselves with the possibility of having a second chance after we die
//imagination can kill you if you let it, but it can also save your life if you understand it


I'll be damned if I can find it now, but I read a really interesting study a few years back that plotted on maps every location where a "ghost" had ever been reported to authorities.

A statistically significant number of them occurred within a short distance from power plants or electrical substations.  They hypothesis was that power electrical fields can interfere with the workings of the brain.
 
2013-02-02 06:47:46 PM

Rustblade: However I DO believe that certain traumatic and horrific events can leave an "imprint" on certain places.


And just how would they do that? Explain just how the emotional state in someone's brain can leave an "imprint". And does that "imprint" remain if no one alive knows what happened there?
 
2013-02-02 06:47:48 PM

sharpie_69: Rufus Lee King: How is everyone so sure that there aren't ghosts?

How is everyone so sure there isn't a tiny invisible man who watches over your anus as night?


Don't be so rude.

I'm neither tiny or invisible.
 
2013-02-02 06:49:46 PM

St_Francis_P: Godscrack: Why do ghost's always have clothes on?

I assume that sucubbi don't wear clothes, since that would be counter-productive.


Sometimes they do. I think it's just to create cleavage, though.

i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-02 06:49:51 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Not saying I believe in ghosts but when you get around my age if you have not seen one or two things you cant explain then sucks for you.


I know, right?  Any time I encounter something I don't understand or can't explain, I attribute it to ghosts.  For example, I don't entirely understand how an internal combustion engine works; therefore, it is powered by ghosts and anyone who denies it is a smug, closed-minded bastard.

/If your car won't start, it's because all the ghosts got out.
 
2013-02-02 06:50:59 PM
I think people's brains are just broken in odd ways, making them believe things that aren't true.  Studies have shown that certain brain formations are much more susceptible to religious indoctrination, for example.  I'm betting the brains of ghost believers are similarly misformed somehow.
 
2013-02-02 06:51:12 PM

Ed Grubermann: BillCo: Remember folks, everyone who believes in something you don't is a stupid simpleton. Doesn't matter if it's ghost, religion or global warming.  Don't even get me started on aliens.

If you beleive in something that has no evidence and violates the laws of physics and biology, well you're an idiot. Show me the mechanism by which a ghost can exist.


Explain to me how quantum entanglement works, then you can lecture me on how ghosts can't exist.
 
2013-02-02 06:51:19 PM
Your mommy and daddy might have told you there are no such things as ghosts.

not my folks.. they are in the 45.%
 
2013-02-02 06:52:45 PM
I think it's closer to 47%.
 
2013-02-02 06:52:45 PM
Does this include the spirit in the sky
 
2013-02-02 06:53:51 PM
Americans believe a lot of stupid shiat. Ghosts, UFOs, Angels, that the Earth is flat, that Republicans can govern responsibly, etc.
 
2013-02-02 06:54:03 PM
I see dumb people.
 
2013-02-02 06:54:18 PM
Ghosts are made of dark matter.
 
2013-02-02 06:54:35 PM
Sleep paralysis=99% of ghosts.  The other 1% is cats.
 
2013-02-02 06:55:07 PM

italie: Ed Grubermann: BillCo: Remember folks, everyone who believes in something you don't is a stupid simpleton. Doesn't matter if it's ghost, religion or global warming.  Don't even get me started on aliens.

If you beleive in something that has no evidence and violates the laws of physics and biology, well you're an idiot. Show me the mechanism by which a ghost can exist.

Explain to me how quantum entanglement works, then you can lecture me on how ghosts can't exist.


Explain to me how quantum entanglement has anything to do with dead people. Your wishful thinking is no substitute for an education.
 
2013-02-02 06:55:41 PM
My family is from Mexico, it has a strong ghost lore/folk lore that is still very much alive. Although I was raised irreligiously it was there were still ghost stories a lot. I love ghost stories even though I don't believe it exists anymore than any figment of gods but I take that to be cultural. That said, ghosts are no more idiotic than any other belief such as gods, blessings, and four leaved clovers bringing luck.
 
2013-02-02 06:57:05 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Tatterdemalian: I don't believe in ghosts as surviving spirits of people whose bodies have died, because they never seem to act appropriately.

If I were a ghost I'd definitely spend all my time in girls' locker rooms. Can ghosts jerk off?


why would they even want to?  they have no dicks
 
2013-02-02 06:58:43 PM

Sgygus: Ghosts are made of dark matter.


Or, dark matter is made of ghosts...I mean, might as well put everyone's superstitions on the table, right?
 
2013-02-02 06:59:07 PM
Sometime after last Halloween, I started reading the annual Fark ghost story thread.  After that I read the entire threads from several previous years.  (See links in the thread.)  I was hooked, all I wanted was more ghost stories.  I was also a little jumpy during that time, if I happened to be alone in a dark place. At the same time though, I was curious and wanted to know more, maybe to see something.  (Then I found this trove of over 11,000 stories, and wasted even more time.)  I didn't become a believer in ghouls exactly; I still consider myself agnostic on that.

It is remarkable though how many people have reported similar phenomena.  I do think the mind can fool itself when it comes to visual or auditory stimuli, creaking houses, etc. but there are some things beyond our ability to dismiss.  Like the time two of my friends had very specific dreams about the same event happening to me, a traumatic occurrence that led to my taking a plane flight.  And a week later it happened just as prophesied.  Nothing I had previously told them could possibly have clued them in, and anyway I had no idea that it was coming.  And the details they told me were fulfilled exactly.  You can't explain that!
 
2013-02-02 06:59:13 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Tatterdemalian: I don't believe in ghosts as surviving spirits of people whose bodies have died, because they never seem to act appropriately.

If I were a ghost I'd definitely spend all my time in girls' locker rooms. Can ghosts jerk off?

why would they even want to?  they have no dicks


becominglayla.com
 
2013-02-02 06:59:18 PM

Maggie_Luna: My family is from Mexico, it has a strong ghost lore/folk lore that is still very much alive. Although I was raised irreligiously it was there were still ghost stories a lot. I love ghost stories even though I don't believe it exists anymore than any figment of gods but I take that to be cultural. That said, ghosts are no more idiotic than any other belief such as gods, blessings, and four leaved clovers bringing luck.


Wait, I need to amend my last sentence. "Ghosts are no more idiotic than most other beliefs such as..." because there are some stupid things people believe, and they are by far stupider/nonsensical than above others.
 
2013-02-02 06:59:19 PM

Ed Grubermann: italie: Ed Grubermann: BillCo: Remember folks, everyone who believes in something you don't is a stupid simpleton. Doesn't matter if it's ghost, religion or global warming.  Don't even get me started on aliens.

If you beleive in something that has no evidence and violates the laws of physics and biology, well you're an idiot. Show me the mechanism by which a ghost can exist.

Explain to me how quantum entanglement works, then you can lecture me on how ghosts can't exist.

Explain to me how quantum entanglement has anything to do with dead people. Your wishful thinking is no substitute for an education.


I never said it did, nor did I ever infer my beliefs on ghosts. I just want you to explain quantum entanglement to me.
 
2013-02-02 06:59:35 PM

italie: Ed Grubermann: BillCo: Remember folks, everyone who believes in something you don't is a stupid simpleton. Doesn't matter if it's ghost, religion or global warming.  Don't even get me started on aliens.

If you beleive in something that has no evidence and violates the laws of physics and biology, well you're an idiot. Show me the mechanism by which a ghost can exist.

Explain to me how quantum entanglement works, then you can lecture me on how ghosts can't exist.


"Can exist" is meaningless.

Extraordinary claims, etc. etc.
 
2013-02-02 07:02:24 PM

Ed Grubermann: Tatterdemalian: jigger: BillCo: Remember folks, everyone who believes in something you don't that isn't real is a stupid simpleton

ftfy

Do you believe in wealth, laws, promises? None of those are real.

/this is why atheist ideologies end up just as insane as religious cults
//they believe in things that aren't real, they just try to change the definition of "real" to suit themselves

And this is where you show you're an idiot.


So they are an idiot for saying that the standard stereotypical atheist, when having their "core beliefs" challenged, go into fundie mode and act in the same way that they scream in rage about? Do you think that skeptics all around have ever checked into any of these "stupid" beliefs, or do you just go with what hack magicians with superiority complexes say? And if anyone for a minute thinks science has it all figured out or that if theories don't trip over themselves all the time because they don't match up or make no sense, you'd be nuts.
 
2013-02-02 07:02:36 PM

TreeHugger: Sometime after last Halloween, I started reading the annual Fark ghost story thread.  After that I read the entire threads from several previous years.  (See links in the thread.)  I was hooked, all I wanted was more ghost stories.  I was also a little jumpy during that time, if I happened to be alone in a dark place. At the same time though, I was curious and wanted to know more, maybe to see something.  (Then I found this trove of over 11,000 stories, and wasted even more time.)  I didn't become a believer in ghouls exactly; I still consider myself agnostic on that.

It is remarkable though how many people have reported similar phenomena.  I do think the mind can fool itself when it comes to visual or auditory stimuli, creaking houses, etc. but there are some things beyond our ability to dismiss.  Like the time two of my friends had very specific dreams about the same event happening to me, a traumatic occurrence that led to my taking a plane flight.  And a week later it happened just as prophesied.  Nothing I had previously told them could possibly have clued them in, and anyway I had no idea that it was coming.  And the details they told me were fulfilled exactly.  You can't explain that!


Yes, I can.
 
2013-02-02 07:03:30 PM

FloydA: vpb: They make great cheese, try some Chevre some time.

I'll bet they are a biatch to milk though.


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Goat Rider


That is pure win.

One internets for you.
 
2013-02-02 07:03:46 PM
I_dig_ChicksSleep paralysis=99% of ghosts.  The other 1% is cats.
what about a cat with sleep paralysis?
 
2013-02-02 07:05:08 PM

wee: More than that believe in a god.  Some even believe that this invisible man in the sky will listen to them and do shiat for them.  They live their lives in the context of this imaginary friend advising them.  They give money to people who talk to them about this magical being.

That's far worse than believing in ghosts.


I'm willing to bet there are even more atheists who make snide and rude remarks about the vast majority of the population. I say this as an ignostic, you don't look smart when you say shiat like that, it just makes you look like an ass.
 
2013-02-02 07:07:12 PM

Bontesla: Bontesla: Zombie DJ: I do. I've studied the Paranormal for over 30 years. I've got a great "laugh" from a cemetery I walked through.
When people ask me to give them proof there's ghosts, I just tell them it's not my job to make you believe.
That's YOUR job. Do your own homework. I do it for fun, not change the World.

I would love to go "ghost hunting" but I've no one to go with. I've had a few dreams from people I've known who died. A few months ago - I had to dream about my cousin. She committed suicide two Easters ago. She wanted me to give her mom a message. It was weird. My dreams are always for other people. Rarely are they for me.

My mom is the same way.

Hell, my aunt (mom's sister) also dreams visits. It's how she found out her husband died in an accident.


Google an da shealladh. It's not exactly the same, but it sounds like you're using a variant.

/I have the more classic you-will-see-this-random-thing-and-it-will-literally-happen, sucks-to-be-you version, but from what I've found there's a few types. Exploring it and the history involved can be fun, if involving a ridiculous amount of research.
 
2013-02-02 07:07:29 PM

Third_Uncle_Eno: I_dig_ChicksSleep paralysis=99% of ghosts.  The other 1% is cats.
what about a cat with sleep paralysis?


That causes quantum entanglement.
 
2013-02-02 07:08:41 PM

Third_Uncle_Eno: I_dig_ChicksSleep paralysis=99% of ghosts.  The other 1% is cats.
what about a cat with sleep paralysis?


The Goddess Bast?
 
2013-02-02 07:09:13 PM
I'm almost afraid to admit that I believe in ghosts. But it's cool if you don't. Can we play nice now?
 
2013-02-02 07:09:56 PM

GUTSU: wee: More than that believe in a god.  Some even believe that this invisible man in the sky will listen to them and do shiat for them.  They live their lives in the context of this imaginary friend advising them.  They give money to people who talk to them about this magical being.

That's far worse than believing in ghosts.

I'm willing to bet there are even more atheists who make snide and rude remarks about the vast majority of the population. I say this as an ignostic, you don't look smart when you say shiat like that, it just makes you look like an ass.


Here's the difference between us.  I care whether assertions are true.  You care whether an assertion hurts your feelings.
 
2013-02-02 07:11:39 PM
In after 'There is no God who behaves how I think it should, therefore there is no God.'
 
2013-02-02 07:11:42 PM

gryf: I'm almost afraid to admit that I believe in ghosts. But it's cool if you don't. Can we play nice now?


No.

In fact, I think we should round up all your kind and put them in camps or reservations. Never allow the disbelievers and believers to mix blood or contact. Eventually we will become two separate people unable to mix our blood. It is only then that peace will be had. So what say you now?

/got nothing
 
2013-02-02 07:14:34 PM

andyfromfl: In after 'There is no God who behaves how I think it should, therefore there is no God.'


What about "There is no god because the world behaves as though there is no supernatural deity and it's sillypants to believe in something for which there is no evidence."?
 
2013-02-02 07:15:15 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Tatterdemalian: I don't believe in ghosts as surviving spirits of people whose bodies have died, because they never seem to act appropriately.

If I were a ghost I'd definitely spend all my time in girls' locker rooms. Can ghosts jerk off?


That's what I've always said. If ghosts were real, every girls' locker room would be haunted.
 
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