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2013-02-02 05:52:58 PM

OgreMagi: Not a single one of those women would have passed costume approval at my Faire.  Got any more?


Thusly.
 
2013-02-02 05:54:57 PM

lohphat: One year in the '80s one year, some geeks showed up in Star Trek (original series) garb wit tori orders and phasers drawn playing an away team.


Bloody autocorrect.

* tricorders
 
2013-02-02 05:55:34 PM

DSF6969: OgreMagi: As a 13 year veteran of working the renaissance faire, I came to give the one word answer, "boobies", but I see that has already been (cough) covered.

Doesn't mean it can't be covered (or not) again.

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The first two look more like Xena: Warrior Princess than anything Renaissance-y, but I'll allow it on account of boobs.
 
2013-02-02 06:01:16 PM

markie_farkie: Because flagon of ale and buxom wenches..


In the Boobies even

To women in corsets with epic cleavage!
 
2013-02-02 06:02:18 PM

markie_farkie: Duck_of_Doom: Meat on a stick.

Now if you could somehow figure out how to get mead on a stick, you might have something!


I see a possible adult beverage based ice treat possibility
 
2013-02-02 06:04:35 PM

lohphat: I remember going the Renfaire in the Agoura Hills outside LA in 1974 before the She-Ra wannabes and potheads tainted the atmosphere. At that time they were serious about the language and recreating the era. There was an actual audition phase where you had to demonstrate historical knowledge and dialect.

When it was franchised out it got really sloppy.

One year in the '80s one year, some geeks showed up in Star Trek (original series) garb wit tori orders and phasers drawn playing an away team.

I larfed, but the faire was dead to me.

/meadow, offeth.


I worked that faire and they always had auditions and rehearsals, including language classes.  Note that we had no control over how customers dressed so couldn't really prevent the star trek and conan types, other than to make sure they didn't have any real weapons.

I quit when it was bought by a corporation and turned into McFaire.
 
2013-02-02 06:07:41 PM
The Maryland Fair is fun.  It has a lot of visitors that are more fantasy than Renaissance, but the people that run it do a nice job.  My friends and I like to eat dozens of oyster shooters.  I am also partial to the scotch eggs, steak on a steak, and the apple dumpling/ice cream.
 
2013-02-02 06:11:30 PM

penthesilea: I miss the Faire at Black Point Forest.

I went every year since I was a few days old.  Still have a Faire Map from 1979.
Tried a dozen other Faires and none were nearly as good.  I think the forest ended up getting chopped down and turned into a golf course, the bastards.


Black point was a great location.  I used to work at the Southern California faire when it was in the Agora Hills, another great spot.
 
2013-02-02 06:22:35 PM

DSF6969: OgreMagi: DSF6969: OgreMagi: As a 13 year veteran of working the renaissance faire, I came to give the one word answer, "boobies", but I see that has already been (cough) covered.

Doesn't mean it can't be covered (or not) again.

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Not a single one of those women would have passed costume approval at my Faire.  Got any more?

That's standard (ahem) fare down here in FL.


That it is. Hell, its one of the biggest (giggety) reasons to go to the faire.
 
2013-02-02 06:24:29 PM

markie_farkie: Because flagon of ale and buxom wenches..


Over in one.
 
2013-02-02 06:24:51 PM
The Ren Fair: Where fat chicks can feel hot.
 
2013-02-02 06:28:58 PM

born_yesterday: The Maryland Fair is fun.  It has a lot of visitors that are more fantasy than Renaissance, but the people that run it do a nice job.  My friends and I like to eat dozens of oyster shooters.  I am also partial to the scotch eggs, steak on a steak, and the apple dumpling/ice cream.


Now I'm hungry and I just ate.
 
2013-02-02 06:30:43 PM
Is 'The Kissing Wenches do anal' on the list?
 
2013-02-02 06:36:10 PM

badLogic: penthesilea: I miss the Faire at Black Point Forest.

I went every year since I was a few days old.  Still have a Faire Map from 1979.
Tried a dozen other Faires and none were nearly as good.  I think the forest ended up getting chopped down and turned into a golf course, the bastards.

Black point was a great location.  I used to work at the Southern California faire when it was in the Agora Hills, another great spot.


When did the SoCal faire end its run at Agoura Hills? Didn't they go to San Dimas or something like that?

/moved to Bay Area in '94 and only went to Black Point before they sold out.
 
2013-02-02 06:36:44 PM
Because you can dance if you want to and you can leave your friends behind; because your friends don't dance and if they don't dance, well they're no friends of mine.
 
2013-02-02 06:37:49 PM

Solty Dog: Ren Faires are one of the last bastions of free spirit. No one gets judged at a Ren Faire because the silliness of it all is why most people pay to go. The only other place that has that type of freedom is Comic Cons. Although the models they pay to advertise may get a little judgey of the cosplayers, but it's ok because they are nothing but eye candy with no soul anyways.


Dude, 'hard core' ren faire people judge the everloving shiat out of everyone else. Especially if you go to one of the 'real' style ones, where they don't let in 'fantasy' people, like fairies or elves.  Just like any sub culture, Ren-fest people have some real assholes.
 
2013-02-02 06:50:28 PM
I ask this every ren faire thread and haven't had any success, so I'll try again --

Once upon a time, maybe 8 years ago, I ran across a thing on the web that read like it was supposed to be a popular introduction to what life was like in the middle ages and early renaissance, but instead of the real facts they substituted ren faire tropes, and it was really funny. Every time I've tried searching for it I couldn't find it.

Did I imagine reading that thing? Anyone know the thing I'm talking about? Know where I can find it again?
 
2013-02-02 06:51:24 PM

kroonermanblack: Solty Dog: Ren Faires are one of the last bastions of free spirit. No one gets judged at a Ren Faire because the silliness of it all is why most people pay to go. The only other place that has that type of freedom is Comic Cons. Although the models they pay to advertise may get a little judgey of the cosplayers, but it's ok because they are nothing but eye candy with no soul anyways.

Dude, 'hard core' ren faire people judge the everloving shiat out of everyone else. Especially if you go to one of the 'real' style ones, where they don't let in 'fantasy' people, like fairies or elves.  Just like any sub culture, Ren-fest people have some real assholes.


Debating going as a Drow in fraternity letters one year to piss off the hardcore enthusiasts. Of course, I won't, because I am not ending up in a Fail Friday photo on TFM.
 
2013-02-02 06:58:46 PM

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havoc please
 
2013-02-02 07:23:36 PM

dk47: Beerguy: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]
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havoc please


You have to admit, chaos is pretty damn cute too....
 
2013-02-02 07:27:27 PM
For fun...

YEs I realize its not historically accurate, that many of the folks at the fair would be burned at the stake for dressing/acting the way they do, but alas...
 
2013-02-02 07:30:15 PM

natazha: Toad-in-a-holes are also good.


It's been years since I have seen any archaic (or at least, distinctively English) food at a RenFaire.  It's all pizza, hot pockets, and so forth.  God, how I miss the popovers!
 
2013-02-02 07:37:11 PM

pciszek: natazha: Toad-in-a-holes are also good.

It's been years since I have seen any archaic (or at least, distinctively English) food at a RenFaire.  It's all pizza, hot pockets, and so forth.  God, how I miss the popovers!


Speaking in general terms: The pizza and hotdogs style food you see at a festival is all one big corporate entity. They pick food based on margins and how easy it is to make. The booths that made popovers, and other high-quality or period foods are generally all independent. The independent vendors have been hit from both sides over the last decade or so as a weakened economy has decreased attendance, increased food prices, and increased the piece of the pie that the Festival will try to take from the profits. Tons of independent owners have gone under or pulled up stakes..
 
2013-02-02 07:38:20 PM

dforkus: For fun...

YEs I realize its not historically accurate, that many of the folks at the fair would be burned at the stake for dressing/acting the way they do, but alas...


The SCA vs The Ren Faire workers is the nerd version of the Sharks vs the Jets.
 
2013-02-02 07:39:35 PM
Screw Renfaires. Become an SCA member.
 
2013-02-02 07:43:36 PM

theorellior: Turkey legs. Although turkeys are New World birds, so they technically wouldn't have them in the actual Renaissance.


Early renaissance maybe, but the new world was an old thing by the mid 1500s when the renaissance was in full swing.
 
2013-02-02 07:45:01 PM
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//can't believe I was the only one who thought this
 
2013-02-02 08:18:17 PM
The only really creepy thing about RenFaires are when the GORians show up. They are to RenFaires what furries are to SF cons.

/I'm not even going to try Googling up any GORian images to hotlink because I know they're NSFW
 
2013-02-02 08:20:06 PM
For the same reason we still go to every other kind of fair, one would assume.

Or does subby question the existence of disneyland and the state fairs as well?
 
2013-02-02 08:23:06 PM
Because nerds.
 
2013-02-02 09:03:42 PM

DjangoStonereaver: dforkus: For fun...

YEs I realize its not historically accurate, that many of the folks at the fair would be burned at the stake for dressing/acting the way they do, but alas...

The SCA vs The Ren Faire workers is the nerd version of the Sharks vs the Jets.


My family was heavily involved in both the local RF and the local SCA and it really is like trying to broker a peace between two Koreas.  Rennies just want to know where the beer is, how bad the privy lines are, and who's going to be at the bonfire later.  Some of the SCAdians will go to outright farking DEFCON 1 if your farking lunch menu recipes are not 100% accurate.  My father had a six month long flame war with one of these guys, it was absurd.

TV's Vinnie: The only really creepy thing about RenFaires are when the GORians show up. They are to RenFaires what furries are to SF cons.

/I'm not even going to try Googling up any GORian images to hotlink because I know they're NSFW


In basic terms, lots of GOR folks (I'm sure a few are sane) are into really creepy relationships that are almost like a healthy kink power fantasy, but too often turns into pure male power fantasy and degredation, eventually ditching consent.  Lots of these guys are part of the paleo-conservative movement.
 
2013-02-02 09:05:54 PM

markie_farkie: Because flagon of ale and buxom wenches..


Yep
 
2013-02-02 09:09:47 PM

Duck_of_Doom: markie_farkie: Because flagon of ale and buxom wenches..

Mead.  Swords.  Horses.  Fire-twirling. Gorgeous clothing.  Meat on a stick.  Fake fighting.  In other words, fun stuff.

Now I want mead.


Come over, I have 40 gallons.
 
2013-02-02 09:10:15 PM

TV's Vinnie: The only really creepy thing about RenFaires are when the GORians show up. They are to RenFaires what furries are to SF cons.

/I'm not even going to try Googling up any GORian images to hotlink because I know they're NSFW


that... to HELL with the Damn GORians..  in general.. period.
 
2013-02-02 09:23:20 PM

born_yesterday: The Maryland Fair is fun.  It has a lot of visitors that are more fantasy than Renaissance, but the people that run it do a nice job.  My friends and I like to eat dozens of oyster shooters.  I am also partial to the scotch eggs, steak on a steak, and the apple dumpling/ice cream.


When I grow up, I wanna be Carolyn Spedden.

/Shakespeare's Skum FTW!
 
2013-02-02 09:27:00 PM

Reverend Monkeypants: Duck_of_Doom: markie_farkie: Because flagon of ale and buxom wenches..

Mead.  Swords.  Horses.  Fire-twirling. Gorgeous clothing.  Meat on a stick.  Fake fighting.  In other words, fun stuff.

Now I want mead.

Come over, I have 40 gallons.


I believe this needs its own discussion. Please elaborate.
 
2013-02-02 09:38:12 PM
Before throwing out obscure terms, can someone define what a "GORian" is?
 
2013-02-02 09:38:54 PM
TV's Vinnie:They are to RenFaires what furries are to SF cons.

Uh. no. I've been to a lot of sf cons over the years. We're nowhere near that bad.  Nobody is as bad as the GOReans.
 
2013-02-02 09:43:59 PM
The wenches are always a welcome sight at the RF, but I also enjoy some of the shows and even some of the shops.

The washing wenches, if they come through your area, are a pretty good show.
I am disappointed, however, that a lot of the real artisanl shops at the festival have been forced out by cheap shops that sell mass made goods. I have a lot of nice costum made glass and metal smith pieces I had gotten from there in the past.
 
2013-02-02 09:58:08 PM

msupf: The wenches are always a welcome sight at the RF, but I also enjoy some of the shows and even some of the shops.

The washing wenches, if they come through your area, are a pretty good show.
I am disappointed, however, that a lot of the real artisanl shops at the festival have been forced out by cheap shops that sell mass made goods. I have a lot of nice costum made glass and metal smith pieces I had gotten from there in the past.


The ren-faire near here is a farking cheap carnival now.  Really was something cool once but now is just another exploitable profit margin.
 
2013-02-02 10:07:25 PM

Girion47: Before throwing out obscure terms, can someone define what a "GORian" is?


Gorians.. in a nutshell, are a subset of the BDSM culture that base their entire.. thing around a series of really, really bad sci-fi novels dealing with the planet GOR and the culture of it's inhabitants. Master/slave thing.. rituals dealing with all that..

anyone I have ever met that identified as GORian has been a complete narcissist. or a heavily medicated loony, or a combination of both.

they made one movie based on the series that got ripped apart by MST2k
 
2013-02-02 10:18:30 PM
Be ... cause they're fun?
 
2013-02-02 10:23:38 PM

OgreMagi: DSF6969: OgreMagi: As a 13 year veteran of working the renaissance faire, I came to give the one word answer, "boobies", but I see that has already been (cough) covered.

Doesn't mean it can't be covered (or not) again.

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Not a single one of those women would have passed costume approval at my Faire.  Got any more?


Costume approval???

What sanctimonious, self-appointed wet blanket decided he was the lord god emperor of who got to where what?

Screw that noise, man...tits!
 
2013-02-02 10:23:51 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Girion47: Before throwing out obscure terms, can someone define what a "GORian" is?

Gorians.. in a nutshell, are a subset of the BDSM culture that base their entire.. thing around a series of really, really bad sci-fi novels dealing with the planet GOR and the culture of it's inhabitants. Master/slave thing.. rituals dealing with all that..


Be careful about mixing up Goreans with BDSM. There's a lot of mutual disdain between those two communities. In a nutshell, Goreans see the BDSMers as poseurs when it comes to power dynamics, while BDSMers don't think Goreans take issues like consent seriously enough.
 
2013-02-02 10:25:07 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Gorians.. in a nutshell, are a subset of the BDSM culture that base their entire.. thing around a series of really, really bad sci-fi novels dealing with the planet GOR and the culture of it's inhabitants. Master/slave thing.. rituals dealing with all that..


What? Really? There's a whole subculture of GOR cosplayers?

Wow. Just... wow.
 
2013-02-02 10:42:54 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Girion47: Before throwing out obscure terms, can someone define what a "GORian" is?

Gorians.. in a nutshell, are a subset of the BDSM culture that base their entire.. thing around a series of really, really bad sci-fi novels dealing with the planet GOR and the culture of it's inhabitants. Master/slave thing.. rituals dealing with all that..

anyone I have ever met that identified as GORian has been a complete narcissist. or a heavily medicated loony, or a combination of both.

they made one movie based on the series that got ripped apart by MST2k


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Outlaw of GOR was the name of that film (yes, that is Jack Palance, obviously trying to pay off some heavy IRS fine by acting in films that were sh*tty even by 1980's standards).


Based on a  series of fantasy novels that were mainly a "John Carter of Mars" type of ripoff, but with the added hook of female slavery with misogyny and male chauvinism in levels that would even make an 15th Century Sultan cringe.

This of course spawned it's own sub-genre of male domination fans who like to ahem......"role play" with their girlfriends & wives. Want to wreck a RenFaire? Let the local GOReans find out about it.

Supposedly, even the author of the GOR series of books (John Norman) /facepalms at the fandom of pigs and insecure cum-catchers he's inspired.
 
2013-02-02 10:47:04 PM

markie_farkie: Duck_of_Doom: Meat on a stick.

Now if you could somehow figure out how to get mead on a stick, you might have something!


Flash-freeze the stuff with liquid nitrogen and make a popsicle. Not particularly Renaissance-y, but it should work. Liquid nitrogen ice cream would probably be safer to eat, though.
 
2013-02-02 10:49:19 PM

Millennium: Liquid nitrogen ice cream would probably be safer to eat, though.


Liquid nitrogen ANYTHING is bad, Bad, BAD!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9637665/Teenager-who-lost-stomach-af te r-drinking-liquid-nitrogen-cocktail-speaks-of-her-ordeal.html
 
2013-02-02 10:50:44 PM

theorellior: Cerebral Knievel: Gorians.. in a nutshell, are a subset of the BDSM culture that base their entire.. thing around a series of really, really bad sci-fi novels dealing with the planet GOR and the culture of it's inhabitants. Master/slave thing.. rituals dealing with all that..

What? Really? There's a whole subculture of GOR cosplayers?

Wow. Just... wow.


Go look up the Tuchuks.
 
2013-02-02 10:54:05 PM

Millennium: Cerebral Knievel: Girion47: Before throwing out obscure terms, can someone define what a "GORian" is?

Gorians.. in a nutshell, are a subset of the BDSM culture that base their entire.. thing around a series of really, really bad sci-fi novels dealing with the planet GOR and the culture of it's inhabitants. Master/slave thing.. rituals dealing with all that..

Be careful about mixing up Goreans with BDSM. There's a lot of mutual disdain between those two communities. In a nutshell, Goreans see the BDSMers as poseurs when it comes to power dynamics, while BDSMers don't think Goreans take issues like consent seriously enough.


don't worry.. I know all about it.. I never did want to know about it, but the knoweldge was thrust apon me in a manner of speaking. for the most part, I am fine with the BDSM folks even if its not my thing, adding the GOR people into the mix just...

I just can't put it into words my disdain for those idiots. I'll take general BDSM's over GORians any day of the week. and If I pissed off any GORians by my comments, I will kindly say.. "you'll get over it" and if not then "go fark yourself"
 
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