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(Harvard Crimson)   More than half the students in Harvard's "Introduction to Congress" class got caught cheating on an exam, resulting in dozens of suspensions. Subby sure at least one of the cheaters will wind up IN Congress   (thecrimson.com) divider line 96
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2013-02-02 01:04:35 PM  
So efficiently completing tasks is *not* a quality we're looking for in the next generation of executives and elected officials?  You're giving us some pretty conflicting vibes here Harvard.
 
2013-02-02 01:09:59 PM  
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2013-02-02 01:15:52 PM  
Well, they clearly understand how ethics work in Congress.
 
2013-02-02 03:08:10 PM  
I don't know what's worse, that so many students feel the need to cheat or that they're so bad at it.
 
2013-02-02 03:53:44 PM  
From what I've seen of our Congress, I'd give 'em all an A+
 
2013-02-02 04:01:55 PM  
Caught cheating in that class should be an automatic pass.
 
2013-02-02 04:03:02 PM  

unlikely: Caught cheating in that class should be an automatic pass.


...but if they want an A+ as EAFT suggests, they should also be caught diddling high school boys
 
2013-02-02 04:18:57 PM  
Sounds like Harvard
 
2013-02-02 05:33:13 PM  

Mentat: I don't know what's worse, that so many students feel the need to cheat or that they're so bad at it.


Generally speaking, people will do what they feel they can get away with. This is nothing new.
 
2013-02-02 05:37:00 PM  
That's okay. They'll transfer to Arizona State's Honors Program and all, all will be eligible for valedictorian.
 
2013-02-02 05:39:38 PM  
Throwing in my lot with the "wait, cheating ISN'T a required skill in an Introduction to Congress class?" crew.
 
2013-02-02 05:39:41 PM  
They deserve what they got.  Can you believe the audacity of some people?  Taking a class on politics and NOT cheating?  Have they no shame?
 
2013-02-02 05:45:13 PM  

BumpInTheNight: So efficiently completing tasks is *not* a quality we're looking for in the next generation of executives and elected officials?  You're giving us some pretty conflicting vibes here Harvard.


I have a friend who is a professor, and he often gives take home exams. He says that he fully expects the students to work together on the test and won't fail anybody if he suspects that is the case. But what he will report, and tells his students this, is when people turn in the test with word for word the same answers. And he says every semester he gets a few that will do this. So if you have a take home exam, feel free to work with somebody else to finish it, but damn, put the answers in your own words.

Come to think of it I have another friend that teaches programming also, and he says he has the same problem with people doing homework and projects.
 
2013-02-02 05:45:45 PM  

davideggy: They deserve what they got.  Can you believe the audacity of some people?  Taking a class on politics and NOT cheating?  Have they no shame?


FTFM
 
2013-02-02 05:46:49 PM  
They must be Ted Kennedy students.
 
2013-02-02 05:47:33 PM  
take-home exams

*facepalm*
 
2013-02-02 05:49:22 PM  

fusillade762: take-home exams

*facepalm*


I can only assume he means a research paper.

Or the professor is a dumbass.  Either one.
 
2013-02-02 05:52:56 PM  
Didn't the Cheater-in-chief go to Harvard? The plot thickens.
 
2013-02-02 05:54:08 PM  
Insider information would be seen as the norm if this was some sort of Finance course.

/amirite?
 
2013-02-02 05:55:01 PM  

Hetfield: Didn't the Cheater-in-chief go to Harvard? The plot thickens.


Yes, Dubya got his MBA at Harvard.  Not sure how that's relevant though.
 
2013-02-02 05:55:39 PM  

Hetfield: Didn't the Cheater-in-chief go to Harvard? The plot thickens.


No, they both went to Yale.

thenewsosphere.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-02 05:56:18 PM  
It says "UPDATED: February 2, 2012, at 2:23 p.m. "

Is this story a year old, or did they put the wrong date on it?
 
2013-02-02 05:59:13 PM  

davideggy: They deserve what they got.  Can you believe the audacity of some people?  Taking a class on politics and NOT cheating?  Have they no shame?


No, it's a valuable life lesson for aspiring politicians: don't get caught.
 
2013-02-02 05:59:16 PM  

ongbok: BumpInTheNight: Come to think of it I have another friend that teaches programming also, and he says he has the same problem with people doing homework and projects.


CSB

I've personal experience with that one too, I graduated from a program that was more IT then programming but I've got a background in that field as well.  We had a particular class that was all about writing increasingly complicated scripts and most of the class was struggling badly to keep pace, at one point a fellow student came to me a few days before a big project was due asking for help.  Since I'd finished the project already I figured why not offer him my work so he could figure out how to accomplish the same thing by example...he submitted it with nothing more then the cover page edited.  What a farking dumbass.  Fortunately he was such a dumb-ass about it he didn't even bother editing things like the testcases which had dozens of references to my own computer's name & account in the shell outputs and the teacher let me slide without penalty while the colleague was roasted.

/CSB
 
2013-02-02 06:02:49 PM  

cheeseaholic: fusillade762: take-home exams

*facepalm*

I can only assume he means a research paper.

Or the professor is a dumbass.  Either one.


Article about this I read in the paper said it was take home and open book. How, better yet WHY, would you cheat??
 
2013-02-02 06:07:58 PM  
The students really weren't punished very much.

My understanding is that they were forced to TEMPORARILY withdraw.  In other words, they were suspended, but not expelled.  They will generally be back at Harvard after a semester or so.  Due to federal privacy laws, I don't think that anything is likely to be visible to anybody outside of the school.  Hell, I bet they didn't even take F's in the course due to their withdrawal.

In other words, I really don't think that the punishments will have any permanent effect on the students.  I bet most of them don't even graduate late, since it isn't that hard to get enough credits in 3.5 years instead of 4.

It's really a slap on the wrist.  If you got caught doing that stuff at a community college, you would be out.  But at Harvard you get a semester off with no long term effects.
 
2013-02-02 06:10:29 PM  

fusillade762: take-home exams

*facepalm*


Cheaters never proctor.
 
2013-02-02 06:16:10 PM  
R-tards: Wharrgarbl, Obama doesn't really shoot skeet, wharrgarbl
White House: Ok, fine, here is a picture.
R-tards: Wharrgarbl, he's aiming too low, wharrgarbl
White House: Jebus, you won't be happy until you see Obama doing this?

screeninvasion.com
 
2013-02-02 06:18:35 PM  
*sigh, wrong thread.
 
2013-02-02 06:24:59 PM  

ongbok: BumpInTheNight: So efficiently completing tasks is *not* a quality we're looking for in the next generation of executives and elected officials?  You're giving us some pretty conflicting vibes here Harvard.

I have a friend who is a professor, and he often gives take home exams. He says that he fully expects the students to work together on the test and won't fail anybody if he suspects that is the case. But what he will report, and tells his students this, is when people turn in the test with word for word the same answers. And he says every semester he gets a few that will do this. So if you have a take home exam, feel free to work with somebody else to finish it, but damn, put the answers in your own words.

Come to think of it I have another friend that teaches programming also, and he says he has the same problem with people doing homework and projects.


I went to a college where take home exams were the norm, as was homework collaboration in many classes, but exam collaboration was strictly verboten. There were always a few freshman kicked out every year for not believing that could really be the case.

Anyways, these kinds of things were gone over at the start of every class, so you'd know if one didn't allow homework collaboration, but usually it was encouraged so long as you disclosed it. Most every physics problem set I ever turned had my name at the top, and next to it, a list of my study group members. If the prof got a suspiciously similar problem set from someone not listed, then that person was in trouble.

Anyways, TFA is vague, but it makes it sound like the prof was, too.
 
2013-02-02 06:25:03 PM  

PsyLord: *sigh, wrong thread.


Actually, that was the course's midterm.
 
2013-02-02 06:27:20 PM  
All we need is a fast track program where they learn how to fly to the Dominican Republic in a private jet owned by a donor, bang underage prostitutes, give said donor a 500 Million dollar contract and they could be inline for Senator.
 
2013-02-02 06:34:01 PM  
Is it normal for students to get even a partial refund in an "involuntary withdrawal" situation? From what I remember from when I went to college, if you voluntarily left before the drop date you might get some money back, but if you were kicked out (regardless of when) you were SOL.
 
2013-02-02 06:41:56 PM  

Krazikarl: Hell, I bet they didn't even take F's in the course due to their withdrawal.


One account I've read about this incident has it that the withdrawals were backdated to the beginning of the semester specifically so there would be no grade recorded.
 
2013-02-02 06:46:59 PM  

Krazikarl: But at Harvard you get a semester off with no long term effects.


Very elite schools will try really hard  to not look bad, including trying to not have students flunk out.  Couple that with their very aggressive need-based financial aid, and an awful lot of pretty smart but not 1%er high school students are missing out on a fairly cushy ride to a great-looking diploma because they think they won't be able to make it through.
 
2013-02-02 06:48:54 PM  

unlikely: Caught cheating in that class should be an automatic pass.


And if they weren't cheating, then they should fail the course.
 
2013-02-02 06:51:41 PM  
Excellent email address for that lucky@Harvard (with some padding) author of the piece.
 
2013-02-02 06:59:09 PM  

PsyLord: R-tards: Wharrgarbl, Obama doesn't really shoot skeet, wharrgarbl
White House: Ok, fine, here is a picture.
R-tards: Wharrgarbl, he's aiming too low, wharrgarbl
White House: Jebus, you won't be happy until you see Obama doing this?

[screeninvasion.com image 512x297]


The sad thing is that their other paranoid fantasy involves the fear of black men with guns.
 
2013-02-02 06:59:46 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: From what I've seen of our Congress, I'd give 'em all an A+



they are clearly ready to 'serve' their Country in the CONgress.
 
2013-02-02 07:10:25 PM  

ongbok: BumpInTheNight: So efficiently completing tasks is *not* a quality we're looking for in the next generation of executives and elected officials?  You're giving us some pretty conflicting vibes here Harvard.

I have a friend who is a professor, and he often gives take home exams. He says that he fully expects the students to work together on the test and won't fail anybody if he suspects that is the case. But what he will report, and tells his students this, is when people turn in the test with word for word the same answers. And he says every semester he gets a few that will do this. So if you have a take home exam, feel free to work with somebody else to finish it, but damn, put the answers in your own words.

Come to think of it I have another friend that teaches programming also, and he says he has the same problem with people doing homework and projects.


that's Freedom and we need to protect it!
 
2013-02-02 07:11:28 PM  
It was a take home exam, right?  What's wrong with collaboration on a take home exam?  Are they expected not to talk to other or open their books for take home stuff?
 
2013-02-02 07:11:43 PM  

Skyrmion: It says "UPDATED: February 2, 2012, at 2:23 p.m. "

Is this story a year old, or did they put the wrong date on it?


typo. its current.
 
2013-02-02 07:12:37 PM  

PsyLord: Hetfield: Didn't the Cheater-in-chief go to Harvard? The plot thickens.

No, they both went to Yale.

[thenewsosphere.files.wordpress.com image 503x377]


and your butt boy george also went to Harvard.   he and daddy were collecting ivy league degrees.
 
2013-02-02 07:14:58 PM  

PsyLord: Insider information would be seen as the norm if this was some sort of Finance course.

/amirite?


you is right!

and they call that Freedom.  Protect it!
 
2013-02-02 07:15:17 PM  

PsyLord: Hetfield: Didn't the Cheater-in-chief go to Harvard? The plot thickens.

No, they both went to Yale.

[thenewsosphere.files.wordpress.com image 503x377]


No, he got his "MBA" from Harvard.
 
2013-02-02 07:33:55 PM  
I think I may finally have found something too obscure for Fark:

PNUA
/signed
 
2013-02-02 07:50:32 PM  
The course's professor and whoever approved his syllabus should be disciplined if not fired. When 50% of the people in your class are cheating, and the level of cheating in other classes is no where near that (so it was well above the median for any given Harvard class), then clearly you're doing something wrong.
 
2013-02-02 07:50:46 PM  

fusillade762: cheeseaholic: fusillade762: take-home exams

*facepalm*

I can only assume he means a research paper.

Or the professor is a dumbass.  Either one.

Article about this I read in the paper said it was take home and open book. How, better yet WHY, would you cheat??


Because take home, open notes, open books means that the questions will be difficult, and require complex analysis that requires real thinking rather than just looking things up.

It's not at all uncommon.
 
2013-02-02 07:56:01 PM  
This truly calls into question all graduates of Harvard. It seems that they have no standards to live up to and consistently meets them.
 
2013-02-02 08:02:41 PM  
Of course, the thing that really scandalizes the alumni is that some basket ball players were outed as cheaters. Is there any argument that they cheated? No, but we shouldn't embarrass student athletes, or the alumni will take their money away.

No wonder higher education is a mess.
 
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