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2013-02-02 11:49:42 AM
11 votes:
I bet he's an anti-union neocon, but will probably waste no time in seeking help from the AFT or NEA in order to try and keep his job.
2013-02-02 04:26:20 PM
8 votes:
So, how long before this guy gets caught doing what he professes to hate so much?
2013-02-02 02:55:31 PM
8 votes:
"I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.
2013-02-02 03:24:04 PM
7 votes:

CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.


What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.
2013-02-02 01:26:17 PM
7 votes:

PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.


notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians
2013-02-02 05:43:01 PM
5 votes:

olddinosaur: If he had been bashing straights, whites and Republicans, that would be OK, nyet?

Double standard as usual


Yes, a "double standard" you just made up with absolutely no basis in reality.
2013-02-02 05:15:56 PM
5 votes:

nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

I stand corrected. But it's fair to say homosexuality is not widely accepted. And I'd wager that graph would look different for Alabama only. And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I'm just saying can't we let idiots be idiots? Does every single stupid comment have to result in a societal "teachable moment?"

It's friggin impossible to say anything anymore without someone running to a legislature or higher civil authority to seek help. If someone disagrees with the guy, how about just telling the guy he's a douche and moving on?

That's why I think his comment about telling the school board was spot on. Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Discuss.


In cases of adults who occupy positions of authority over children, such as teachers, some limitations on speech may be appropriate.  I'm a teacher, and I have enough sense to know that some of my opinions should not be discussed in the classroom.

This guy sounds like he has difficulty with self-control and doesn't have the sense to temper his language.  Since he is professionally obligated to deal with youngsters, he really should be expected to master those skills, if for no other reason than that shooting his mouth off can potentially result in a lawsuit against his employers.
2013-02-02 04:53:20 PM
5 votes:
nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

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2013-02-02 04:51:33 PM
5 votes:

nickdaisy: Just let these idiots lead their lives and suffer in their own shallowness.


Not when they're influencing the next generation of people with their ignorance, thanks.
2013-02-02 01:02:57 PM
5 votes:
So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.
2013-02-02 05:08:30 PM
4 votes:

nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

I stand corrected. But it's fair to say homosexuality is not widely accepted. And I'd wager that graph would look different for Alabama only. And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I'm just saying can't we let idiots be idiots? Does every single stupid comment have to result in a societal "teachable moment?"

It's friggin impossible to say anything anymore without someone running to a legislature or higher civil authority to seek help. If someone disagrees with the guy, how about just telling the guy he's a douche and moving on?

That's why I think his comment about telling the school board was spot on. Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Discuss.


He wasn't in the local dive bar or gunning it up with his buddies at the local range. He was in a public school classroom in a position of authority in front of students while collecting a paycheck from the government.

But you know all that and you know how wrong it is. You're just bored. There are better hobbies out there, bro.
2013-02-02 04:49:19 PM
4 votes:

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: provided it's not deeply offensive

Yup. Nothing offensive about calling the black first lady a fat gorilla and gays an abomination.

Nothing offensive at all.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to defecate on a litter of cute little puppies in front of a girl scout troop.

He didn't call her a gorilla.

Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


Yes, in 1952.
2013-02-02 04:13:36 PM
4 votes:
Earlier this week I was taken to task for insinuating in a thread that Alabama might be full of brain dead rednecks spewing hate, intolerance  and ignorance.  Then, along comes this guy.
2013-02-02 05:56:54 PM
3 votes:

eddiesocket: jso2897: Terrydatroll: Pro-gay opinions by a coach would be applauded, yet anti-gay makes him the devil. Well, if that is true then I hope this country goes to hell because apparently gays won't allowed here then. Michelle Obama's butt is fat. It's a racial thing.

A gimmick account? On Fark? In 2013?
Laaaaaaame.
Anyway, we already have "Letrole" and "The Guy Who Is Trolling You Right Now" - although I haven't seen him around for a while. A little originality, please - the quality of the trolling around here has gotten abysmal lately.

I miss StopArrestingMe.


Well, we still have MikeLoweLL and PocketNinja. Meowsaysthedog pops in once in a great while, but he's not so much a troll as a surrealist performance artist.
2013-02-02 05:44:35 PM
3 votes:

olddinosaur: If he had been bashing straights, whites and Republicans, that would be OK, nyet?

Double standard as usual


Not if I was his boss. My problem is with his maturity and judgement. Kids say all kinds of dumbass things - the function of the educator is to be the grownup in the room. I read that "discussion - there was no grownup in that room.  And since his performance would reflect on me, as his boss, I would have a big problem with putting him in charge of other people's kids.
2013-02-02 05:23:38 PM
3 votes:

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: provided it's not deeply offensive

Yup. Nothing offensive about calling the black first lady a fat gorilla and gays an abomination.

Nothing offensive at all.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to defecate on a litter of cute little puppies in front of a girl scout troop.

He didn't call her a gorilla.

Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


No they don't. Bigots like this coach and you are decidedly a minority now. Check any poll. And then go fark yourself. Also, he didn't bother admonishing the student who called her a gorilla, not that you mind at all I'm sure.
2013-02-02 08:59:43 PM
2 votes:

atomicmask: jso2897: atomicmask: How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?

I don't know about that. I have never thought of "free speech" as meaning that I can say anything I want, any time I want, to anyone I choose without consequence. As a drunk in a bar, I might feel free to say things that i wouldn't feel free to say as a teacher in a classroom - where I'm supposed to be the adult in the room. Would you, as a school administrator, place other peoples kids under the tutelage of an immature, loudmouthed asshole? I wouldn't. I think teachers are supposed to set a better example - and the content of his "views" isn't even relevant.

How are you to judge if this man is immature or not based on a few comments? His political beliefs and religious beliefs are no less mature then yours. He said he didn't approve of gays and think its a sin in what sounds like a lax discussion. He said michelle obamas food plan was shiatty and she is fat. What did he say that was exactly worthy of losing his job over? This reeks of popular opinion demanding silence of unpopular opinion.


I'm not concerned about his beliefs, I (if I were his boss) would be concerned about the context and manner in which he expressed them. And I am well within my rights to adjudge anyone who talks that way in frontt of his students as displaying immaturity.  I read the transcript of the conversation - and there was no functioning adult in that room - and the adult in the room is what a teacher is supposed to be.
And the particular views he was expressing are irrelevant to me - my criticism of his behavior has nothing to do with ideology. I know you WANT it to be a bunch of mean, intolerant liberals attacking someone for their "unpopular" views - but it's just a bunch of responsible adults deploring this man's asinine behavior in front of his pupils. I would feel exactly the same way if he had been ranting about Ann Romney's fat ass, or how much he hated "rednecks".
Not that this will stop you from simply repeating the same allegations.
2013-02-02 08:43:42 PM
2 votes:

nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

I stand corrected. But it's fair to say homosexuality is not widely accepted. And I'd wager that graph would look different for Alabama only. And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I'm just saying can't we let idiots be idiots? Does every single stupid comment have to result in a societal "teachable moment?"

It's friggin impossible to say anything anymore without someone running to a legislature or higher civil authority to seek help. If someone disagrees with the guy, how about just telling the guy he's a douche and moving on?

That's why I think his comment about telling the school board was spot on. Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Discuss.


Sure. A teacher who expresses hate of any minority in the classroom should not be in the classroom. Your pathetic comment on too much political correctness doesn't apply. The teacher was wrong period because his behavior isn't acceptable in any workplace. Personally, I'd like to kick his ignorant ass. But I have to maintain civility to not do anything illegal. I don't put up with such at work nor in public schools.

My discussion is done with you, asshat.
2013-02-02 07:29:03 PM
2 votes:

eddiesocket: This man is doing and saying exactly what the Bible is telling him to. In fact, the Bible says gays should be put to death, so I guess this guy is not a "true Christian" since he didn't express that desire.


Actually, what the New Testament says, repeatedly, both in the words of Jesus directly and then from both Paul and Peter, is that everyone is a sinner and the last thing people needs to be doing is running around accusing one another of being the, "bigger sinner." Instead, humility is advised. So this guy, and all the, "christians," screaming their stupid, malicious heads off about teh gayz are all pretty shiatty Christians, at least when it comes to actually reading the Bible or giving a shiat about what it says.
2013-02-02 05:52:22 PM
2 votes:

jso2897: Terrydatroll: Pro-gay opinions by a coach would be applauded, yet anti-gay makes him the devil. Well, if that is true then I hope this country goes to hell because apparently gays won't allowed here then. Michelle Obama's butt is fat. It's a racial thing.

A gimmick account? On Fark? In 2013?
Laaaaaaame.
Anyway, we already have "Letrole" and "The Guy Who Is Trolling You Right Now" - although I haven't seen him around for a while. A little originality, please - the quality of the trolling around here has gotten abysmal lately.


I miss StopArrestingMe.
2013-02-02 05:50:20 PM
2 votes:

Terrydatroll: Pro-gay opinions by a coach would be applauded, yet anti-gay makes him the devil. Well, if that is true then I hope this country goes to hell because apparently gays won't allowed here then. Michelle Obama's butt is fat. It's a racial thing.


A gimmick account? On Fark? In 2013?
Laaaaaaame.
Anyway, we already have "Letrole" and "The Guy Who Is Trolling You Right Now" - although I haven't seen him around for a while. A little originality, please - the quality of the trolling around here has gotten abysmal lately.
2013-02-02 05:38:11 PM
2 votes:

4seasons85!: if you're against gays you're called out as homophobic and such and such.


This is a very frightening trend. Spew a bunch of racist/homophobic crap then get all offended when someone points out how bigoted those sentiments are.

That's pretty much what this guy pulled.

I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers.

The bolded part is supposed to make it all okay. It's like the classic "I'm not a racist BUT... *bunch of racist crap*"

And they believe it. I have to deal with this with family members occasionally and it pisses me the f*ck off.
2013-02-02 05:30:28 PM
2 votes:

eddiesocket: Also, he didn't bother admonishing the student who called her a gorilla, not that you mind at all I'm sure.


seriously, this.

every time someone says that we live in a post racial America, point them to the fact that students can still refer to blacks as gorillas in front of their teachers and get high fives.
2013-02-02 05:20:06 PM
2 votes:

buckler: Coco LaFemme: CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.

What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.

Excuse me, stewardess? I speak Ignorant Redneck. I think here he's using the words "believe in" to mean "endorse or approve of".


Possibly, but some anti-gay bigots literally don't "believe" in gays. As in, they don't think we're a minority group. "Gay" is not a state of being to them, but an action.
2013-02-02 05:19:09 PM
2 votes:

nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

I stand corrected. But it's fair to say homosexuality is not widely accepted. And I'd wager that graph would look different for Alabama only. And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I'm just saying can't we let idiots be idiots? Does every single stupid comment have to result in a societal "teachable moment?"

It's friggin impossible to say anything anymore without someone running to a legislature or higher civil authority to seek help. If someone disagrees with the guy, how about just telling the guy he's a douche and moving on?

That's why I think his comment about telling the school board was spot on. Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Discuss.


If this man worked for me, as an educator, i would be far more concerned about his grotesque emotional immaturity and terrible judgement than his pathetic "views". I'm not putting a loudmouthed asshole with no brains in charge of a bunch of other people's kids, myself - not if I'm in charge, and my professional reputation is on the line.
2013-02-02 05:17:15 PM
2 votes:

nickdaisy: Other than being slightly crass how is anything he said worthy of discipline? Assuming he was just conversing, isn't he entitled to express an opinion provided it's not deeply offensive or compels his students into agreeing with him? This would seem to merit an admonishment from his supervisor but not suspension or termination.

You don't think teachers ever mocked political leaders or the spouses of politicians before?

And if the guy doesn't like homosexuals that would seem to be his business provided he's not assaulting one.

He seems like a tool but he's a football coach not a philosophy professor. I dislike this need to seek out everyone who has aberrant or minority views and try to purge their ignorance to make them part of the majority. Just let these idiots lead their lives and suffer in their own shallowness.



Teachers don't get to call black people gorillas or insult minorities of any type. It's not "his business" that he hates gay people. He made it the class' business. Including possibly, a gay student who knows for certain he/she will not get a fair shake in this class.
2013-02-02 04:41:26 PM
2 votes:

nickdaisy: provided it's not deeply offensive


Yup. Nothing offensive about calling the black first lady a fat gorilla and gays an abomination.

Nothing offensive at all.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to defecate on a litter of cute little puppies in front of a girl scout troop.
2013-02-02 04:39:00 PM
2 votes:

nickdaisy: He seems like a tool but he's a football coach not a philosophy professor. I dislike this need to seek out everyone who has aberrant or minority views and try to purge their ignorance to make them part of the majority. Just let these idiots lead their lives and suffer in their own shallowness.


Because after all, ignorance, shallowness, and idiocy are important qualities in a football coach.
2013-02-02 04:34:42 PM
2 votes:

Phoenix_M: Free speech ends at the classroom door.


Was he teaching something? Or preaching? I don't know what class putting down people is part of the curriculum is part of.
2013-02-02 04:34:21 PM
2 votes:
Other than being slightly crass how is anything he said worthy of discipline? Assuming he was just conversing, isn't he entitled to express an opinion provided it's not deeply offensive or compels his students into agreeing with him? This would seem to merit an admonishment from his supervisor but not suspension or termination.

You don't think teachers ever mocked political leaders or the spouses of politicians before?

And if the guy doesn't like homosexuals that would seem to be his business provided he's not assaulting one.

He seems like a tool but he's a football coach not a philosophy professor. I dislike this need to seek out everyone who has aberrant or minority views and try to purge their ignorance to make them part of the majority. Just let these idiots lead their lives and suffer in their own shallowness.
2013-02-02 03:23:00 PM
2 votes:
"Grisham said he misspoke in a debate-style discussion."

Hope he's not the debate teacher, too.
2013-02-02 02:42:41 PM
2 votes:

what_now: This is the thing I don't get: are these people looking at a different Michelle Obama? Have they confused her with Tyler Perry in drag?


I don't think it's that confusing what drives their opinions.
2013-02-02 01:31:23 PM
2 votes:

King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians


Yup, and I'm God.
2013-02-02 12:42:05 PM
2 votes:
Terminate him and let gays sort him out.
2013-02-02 12:25:20 PM
2 votes:
Grisham has been employed by the school system since 1991 and has been head football coach at Lauderdale County High School for the past five years. His team advanced to the state semifinals this past season.


Oh, it's ok then.
2013-02-02 11:56:16 AM
2 votes:
Grisham: And look ... look at her. She looks like she weighs 185 or 190. She's overweight.

Different voice: Big fat gorilla


This is the thing I don't get: are these people looking at a different Michelle Obama? Have they confused her with Tyler Perry in drag?

Grisham: And look ... look at her. She looks like she weighs 185 or 190. She's overweight.

Different voice: Big fat gorilla
2013-02-03 12:44:07 AM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: jso2897: gimmegimme: jso2897: gimmegimme: jso2897: eddiesocket: jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.

Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?

If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.

I wasn't suggesting that the coach suffers from clinical homophobia. It's not a common condition. His dislike of homosexuals does not necessarily translate to clinical homophobia - likely not. He's just a jerk who shouldn't be teaching kids, IMHO. Again - I don't care about people's motivations - I care how they actually behave.

Are you saying that there aren't lots of cases of people who speak out against gay people actually being homosexual?

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Seriously, dude?

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Come on, nah.

I don't know how many "lots" are. i know that true, clinical homophobia is a rare and serious mental disorder, and that most hostility towards homosexuals is cultural, social or religious - not rooted in clinical homophobia. Of course, most closeted homosexuals don't suffer from homophobia either. So  i would not conclude that most hostility toward homosexuals is based on suppressed homosexuality. A lot of the time, people believe dumb things because they were taught them, or just don't know any better. Attempting to explain all human assholery in clinical terms is a rathole I climbed out of a long time ago - human ignorance and cussedness is more than sufficient to explain most jerky b ...


Yeah, I was responding to you - I am having some trouble with this new format. While I agree with you that bigotry is out of place in the classroom, I also feel that ANY view, expressed in that manner, is not a good example for an educator to be setting. Had he been expressing a view I am totally in agreement with, I still would regard his manner of expressing himself inappropriate for a teacher in a classroom.
2013-02-02 11:30:17 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: eddiesocket: jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.

Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?

If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.

I believe that a "statistically significant", in your words, portion of them are. Especially given my personal experience with homophobic individuals.


No evidence like anecdotal evidence, eh? So what percentage do you think is statistically significant? How many hundreds of millions of closeted gays do you think are out there?
2013-02-02 11:21:47 PM
1 votes:
The lost Chick tract: Lisa.

The version by Alice Donut.
2013-02-02 11:10:47 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: I love it when the area I grew up in makes a FARK news story.




You mean the area you escaped from.
2013-02-02 10:34:28 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: eddiesocket: The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.

You say not supported by facts?

Yeah.

Not so much.

Homophobia, for the most part, has it's roots in psychological projection.


Um....just because most closeted gay people are homophobic doesn't mean most homophobes are closeted gays. I mean, there's six billion people in the world. I think it's fair--more than fair--in fact, an extremely conservative estimate to say that 1/3 of them think homosexuality is disgusting, a sin,, etc. So that means there are 2 billion closeted gays out there, including basically all of our grandparents? Does that seem logical? Or even half that number? Or even a quarter that number?  500,000 million closeted self-loathing gays?  And that's 25% of 33% and still seems ludicrously high.
It's a weird--perhaps well-meaning--but insidious form of anti-gay rhetoric to say "we straights are blameless. This is gay on gay hate".
2013-02-02 09:48:55 PM
1 votes:

jso2897: Maybe I'm just old fashioned. When I was in high school, if I had ever gotten up in class and discussed Ladybird Johnson or Pat Nixon's "fat ass", or referred to some group of people as queers, or kikes, or beaners or whatever....well, I don't even know what would have happened, and don't want to think about it.
And a <i>teacher</i>?? It would have been their last day in any classroom in the LAUSD. There was a certain decorum expected in a classroom setting, and it went double for the teachers - who were expected to be role models, and set good examples. That people are defending this immature fool's inappropriate behavior just because they find his so-called "opinions" to their liking kind of shocks me. If this is what's going on in the schools these days, it makes me that much gladder my kids are grown and out of school now.
My lawn. Get off it.


Stop being old, old man.  Ever since January 20, 2009 at around noon, it's okay to sound like a first-grader when talking politics.

[Note: this license ends at noon on the day a Republican President is sworn in.]
2013-02-02 09:46:47 PM
1 votes:
Maybe I'm just old fashioned. When I was in high school, if I had ever gotten up in class and discussed Ladybird Johnson or Pat Nixon's "fat ass", or referred to some group of people as queers, or kikes, or beaners or whatever....well, I don't even know what would have happened, and don't want to think about it.
And a <i>teacher</i>?? It would have been their last day in any classroom in the LAUSD. There was a certain decorum expected in a classroom setting, and it went double for the teachers - who were expected to be role models, and set good examples. That people are defending this immature fool's inappropriate behavior just because they find his so-called "opinions" to their liking kind of shocks me. If this is what's going on in the schools these days, it makes me that much gladder my kids are grown and out of school now.
My lawn. Get off it.
2013-02-02 09:39:30 PM
1 votes:

jso2897: atomicmask: jso2897: atomicmask: How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?

I don't know about that. I have never thought of "free speech" as meaning that I can say anything I want, any time I want, to anyone I choose without consequence. As a drunk in a bar, I might feel free to say things that i wouldn't feel free to say as a teacher in a classroom - where I'm supposed to be the adult in the room. Would you, as a school administrator, place other peoples kids under the tutelage of an immature, loudmouthed asshole? I wouldn't. I think teachers are supposed to set a better example - and the content of his "views" isn't even relevant.

How are you to judge if this man is immature or not based on a few comments? His political beliefs and religious beliefs are no less mature then yours. He said he didn't approve of gays and think its a sin in what sounds like a lax discussion. He said michelle obamas food plan was shiatty and she is fat. What did he say that was exactly worthy of losing his job over? This reeks of popular opinion demanding silence of unpopular opinion.

I'm not concerned about his beliefs, I (if I were his boss) would be concerned about the context and manner in which he expressed them. And I am well within my rights to adjudge anyone who talks that way in frontt of his students as displaying immaturity.  I read the transcript of the conversation - and there was no functioning adult in that room - and the adult in the room is what a teacher is supposed to be.
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I agree with you, really, so the guy decides to rant like a crazy homeless person sure that's okay but he's in charge of kids in a school. It doesn't mater what he's ranting about it maters that he's ranting. I know my brother hasn't been taking his med's when he start's ranting about China and other things, thank goodness he's not a teacher.
2013-02-02 08:55:30 PM
1 votes:

atomicmask: How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?


The Government is not throwing him in jail for saying what he did. However, the First Amendment does not protect you from professional consequences OR personal ridicule for stating your opinions on the matter.

His rights are not being infringed for being an idiot.
2013-02-02 08:47:34 PM
1 votes:

atomicmask: How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?


I don't know about that. I have never thought of "free speech" as meaning that I can say anything I want, any time I want, to anyone I choose without consequence. As a drunk in a bar, I might feel free to say things that i wouldn't feel free to say as a teacher in a classroom - where I'm supposed to be the adult in the room. Would you, as a school administrator, place other peoples kids under the tutelage of an immature, loudmouthed asshole? I wouldn't. I think teachers are supposed to set a better example - and the content of his "views" isn't even relevant.
2013-02-02 08:41:39 PM
1 votes:

LDM90: Is this where I go to accuse a guy of being the very thing he hates? Even though being gay is NTTAWWT and making fun of someone for being gay is the kind of thing only a douche would do?


I don't think people ridicule closeted homophobes for being gay - I suspect they are more contemptuous of their hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is not a character aspect people tend to think highly of.
2013-02-02 08:34:51 PM
1 votes:
How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?
2013-02-02 07:55:17 PM
1 votes:

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: provided it's not deeply offensive

Yup. Nothing offensive about calling the black first lady a fat gorilla and gays an abomination.

Nothing offensive at all.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to defecate on a litter of cute little puppies in front of a girl scout troop.

He didn't call her a gorilla.

Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


Then that would mean that most Americans are blithering, bigoted idiots and even I am not willing to go that far, since Obama *was* re-elected. Let's just say a non-small minority of Americans are blithering, bigoted idiots, mostly confined to a single political ideology and that the Venn diagram of that group would form a single circle with religious asswipes.
2013-02-02 07:29:39 PM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: Bender The Offender: gimmegimme: You guys, relax.  This took place in Racist Homophobe class.  It's a state-mandated requirement for graduation in Tennessee that replaced Biology.  The teacher was only following the curriculum.

You must be a product of an AP geography program, since this happened in Alabama and not in Tennessee, but keep up with those witty zingers. Implying educational failure of a state because you're not sharp enough to understand you're in the wrong state doesn't make you look stupid, at all!

Sorry; I saw a ton of ads for Tennessee Valley Housing and was confused.  Way to not address the point, though!


What point were you making? I attended Hume Fogg, we had no classes on "Racist Homphobe". Strangely enough, Vanderbilt never offered me that as an elective either. What TN school did you attend where that class is mandatory?
2013-02-02 07:22:11 PM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: You guys, relax.  This took place in Racist Homophobe class.  It's a state-mandated requirement for graduation in Tennessee that replaced Biology.  The teacher was only following the curriculum.


You must be a product of an AP geography program, since this happened in Alabama and not in Tennessee, but keep up with those witty zingers. Implying educational failure of a state because you're not sharp enough to understand you're in the wrong state doesn't make you look stupid, at all!
2013-02-02 07:12:52 PM
1 votes:

barefoot in the head: eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: eddiesocket:  Another words, "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Sorry buddy, many Christians are awful people. Saying they don't count is not a compelling or convincing argument.

If you don't live it you aren't it, period. Saying you are something is just vibrations in the air.

Which conveniently allows you to say all Christians are great people. Funny how that works out for you.

No it allows me to say what I have said. I will say it once more as clearly as I can. What you say you are means shiat if it is not what you do.


This man is doing and saying exactly what the Bible is telling him to. In fact, the Bible says gays should be put to death, so I guess this guy is not a "true Christian" since he didn't express that desire.
2013-02-02 07:07:37 PM
1 votes:
They're calling Michelle Obama fat for being 190 lbs? This is Alabama, if anything she would be one of the skinny ones!
2013-02-02 07:03:56 PM
1 votes:

Glancing Blow: nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
 And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I disagree.  The very essence of democracy is the tyranny of the majority minority.



FTFY

Any marginal pressure group can get their way if they scream loudly enough.
2013-02-02 06:54:56 PM
1 votes:

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Okay, point taken. She has a big ass. But she's clearly not "fat" and is obviously quite fit. Just with a big ass. If conservatives want to make fun of it, that's their prerogative. But calling her a "hypocrite" for encouraging kids to eat healthy just makes them look like idiots.
2013-02-02 06:51:26 PM
1 votes:

barefoot in the head: eddiesocket:  Another words, "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Sorry buddy, many Christians are awful people. Saying they don't count is not a compelling or convincing argument.

If you don't live it you aren't it, period. Saying you are something is just vibrations in the air.


Which conveniently allows you to say all Christians are great people. Funny how that works out for you.
2013-02-02 06:43:18 PM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.

What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.


Republicans are the party that doesn't believe in science...so they might not believe in gravity...they think it's Gods hand holding you on the planet.

/waiting for story about the coach having a homosexual affair with teenage boy in a few weeks or months.
2013-02-02 06:25:24 PM
1 votes:

logicalman: Getting pretty sick of ignorant, nonsensical, left-wing liberal Obama sycophants branding any & every person who disagrees with their pathetic extreme liberal world view as a "Fox News Republican", even though in 99% of these instances THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the person in question even watches Fox News.

Also, unlike most mainstream news outlets, Fox News actually bends over backwards to include both "left" and "right" viewpoints on their air.


You're the first person to bring up Fox, you sad little martyr you. Though now that you mention it, this Coach is almost certainly an avid viewer, if cable exists in his mudhole.
2013-02-02 06:20:45 PM
1 votes:

barefoot in the head: eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

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/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians

All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn. "Identifies" means nothing. "Lives as" defines everything.

There's no "lives as" requirement to be a Christian. There is simply the requirement that one believes Christ died for our sins.

That get out of jail free card is held by professed Christians and non-Christians alike to be something of itself, some lynchpin signifying proof or lack of proof, but it is nothing. It is the life, and what was demonstrated and conveyed during that life, which has sole meaning. Belief in death as a salve is lazy and puny.

The reason Jesus died is because he would not naysay his truth before earthly power. If you do not live your truth, you have none - and yet we all understand the fear of death. But to make the final sacrifice to be the whole of his presence is to miss the point in a tragic way. In refusing to betray his truth and to deny the people whom he taught, he was being directly instructive. His death was his last message, an incredibly brave and sacrificing object lesson, but it was only the final gesture of a lived gift. Whether he actually existed or not, that gift as passed down in the Christian scripture can help free people, along with many other wonderful teachings left to us from other enlightened beings. The jewel is always in the lotus. It is up to us to see.


Another words, "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Sorry buddy, many Christians are awful people. Saying they don't count is not a compelling or convincing argument.
2013-02-02 06:15:13 PM
1 votes:

logicalman: Getting pretty sick of ignorant, nonsensical, left-wing liberal Obama sycophants branding any & every person who disagrees with their pathetic extreme liberal world view as a "Fox News Republican", even though in 99% of these instances THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the person in question even watches Fox News.

Also, unlike most mainstream news outlets, Fox News actually bends over backwards to include both "left" and "right" viewpoints on their air.


Well, then, go back to Free Republic. You won't have to put up with this sort of outrage over there - and we sure don't need your boring, redundant comments here.
2013-02-02 06:01:15 PM
1 votes:

Kimothy: Stinkyy: [horrible comic book]

What the Fark? People really read that crap and believe it?

Oh my.


Good heavens - you've never seen a Jack Chick tract? They've been around since the early sixties, at least. You used to find them scattered in laundromats and bus stations (like the Watchtower), or get them pressed into your hand by some earnest, pimply faced kid. I find them hilarious.
2013-02-02 05:56:36 PM
1 votes:

olddinosaur: If he had been bashing straights, whites and Republicans, that would be OK, nyet?

Double standard as usual


No, idiot.
2013-02-02 05:54:15 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: The trolls don't even try these days.


It's not the lack of quality - good trolling is hard. It's the lack of even the most minimal effort.
2013-02-02 05:51:09 PM
1 votes:
I had a teacher in high school (early 90's) explain to us how words can evolve over time. For example, "gay" once meant "happy", but now it means "miserable and dying of AIDS". Many students laughed. I remember being convinced that I would almost certainly die of AIDS and people like my teacher would laugh.  I can't believe that sort of shiat is still going on.
2013-02-02 05:49:01 PM
1 votes:

here to help: 4seasons85!: if you're against gays you're called out as homophobic and such and such.

This is a very frightening trend. Spew a bunch of racist/homophobic crap then get all offended when someone points out how bigoted those sentiments are.

That's pretty much what this guy pulled.

I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers.

The bolded part is supposed to make it all okay. It's like the classic "I'm not a racist BUT... *bunch of racist crap*"

And they believe it. I have to deal with this with family members occasionally and it pisses me the f*ck off.


Yes there's really no point in arguing with them because they are very set in their ways. So I just tune out and fake like I am listening.
2013-02-02 05:46:21 PM
1 votes:
Pro-gay opinions by a coach would be applauded, yet anti-gay makes him the devil. Well, if that is true then I hope this country goes to hell because apparently gays won't allowed here then. Michelle Obama's butt is fat. It's a racial thing.
2013-02-02 05:43:30 PM
1 votes:
I would also like to think most of the students would know a tool when they heard one. Learning to avoid jerks and tools would have to have been one of the first things I learned in school.

Maybe he hit the sauce heavy and had a mel moment. Im quite sure looking back now one or two teachers of mine where probably heavy boozers given how insane they seemed. Not saying this is right, but when there is smoke there is fire.
2013-02-02 05:42:29 PM
1 votes:

olddinosaur: If he had been bashing straights, whites and Republicans, that would be OK, nyet?

Double standard as usual



No, that would not be OK.  Why would you think that?
2013-02-02 05:35:59 PM
1 votes:
Well, I guess teapartycommunity [dot] com (i hate actively linking that craphole) just gained another few members and photoshop themes to show we are living in end times. I mean, if you can't call the First Lady a "Big fat gorilla" with your buds, how can you expect the constitution to be respected by the illegals, queers and even people who use qwerty keyboards because the letter "q" is just so gay and Mitt would have banned it from use in the White House that was stolen from him by that dark skinned communist who was also involved in blowing up the space shuttle while visiting China on the baby selling spree that the taxpayers paid for during his visit to his dog meat harvesting kennel and butcher shop situated next to all those former US auto factories he moved offshore?

Love that a church seems situated on HS grounds (or maybe its 100ft across the street).

Link goes to google map
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2013-02-02 05:33:17 PM
1 votes:
dude deserves to be canned.
2013-02-02 05:30:57 PM
1 votes:

barefoot in the head: King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

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/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians

All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn. "Identifies" means nothing. "Lives as" defines everything.


There's no "lives as" requirement to be a Christian. There is simply the requirement that one believes Christ died for our sins.
2013-02-02 05:28:31 PM
1 votes:

BSABSVR: nickdaisy: Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Are you saying government employees should not be accountable to the government?


No, he's saying it's totally fine if teachers trash talk gay people in class. Because he feels the same way.
2013-02-02 05:21:27 PM
1 votes:

nickdaisy: Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.


Are you saying government employees should not be accountable to the government?
2013-02-02 05:21:26 PM
1 votes:

boozehat: News flash: some people don't like Democrats or gays.    More at 11.


Or blacks. Those people shouldn't be teachers.
2013-02-02 05:12:51 PM
1 votes:

PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.


A Christian is someone who believes Christ died on the Cross for our sins. It's a safe bet to say this man believes that.
2013-02-02 05:11:39 PM
1 votes:

here to help: nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

I stand corrected. But it's fair to say homosexuality is not widely accepted. And I'd wager that graph would look different for Alabama only. And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I'm just saying can't we let idiots be idiots? Does every single stupid comment have to result in a societal "teachable moment?"

It's friggin impossible to say anything anymore without someone running to a legislature or higher civil authority to seek help. If someone disagrees with the guy, how about just telling the guy he's a douche and moving on?

That's why I think his comment about telling the school board was spot on. Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Discuss.

He wasn't in the local dive bar or gunning it up with his buddies at the local range. He was in a public school classroom in a position of authority in front of students while collecting a paycheck from the government.

But you know all that and you know how wrong it is. You're just bored. There are better hobbies out there, bro.


Well  said.
2013-02-02 05:11:38 PM
1 votes:

Genju: And it could be trending back the other direction according to that chart...


Might be due to the after election wargharble. Anything even remotely liberal, no matter how reasonable, no matter how much you agree with it, must be screamed and kicked at until it dies.
2013-02-02 05:00:02 PM
1 votes:
"We're all ... aw it's OK .... for ... and ... y'all can get pissed off at me or not. You can go tell the principal, you can call the superintendent and tell her."

People are funny. He knew he was screwing up and just dug deeper, like he really needed to vent.
Stupid to do it at work and especially this job.
2013-02-02 04:58:56 PM
1 votes:

Churchy LaFemme: Huh, so you say this happened in the South?

Ya don't say...


Could have just as easily have been Western Penn or any other Northern Bumblefark.
2013-02-02 04:57:14 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

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Man... that's still pretty goddamned sad. :-(
2013-02-02 04:53:28 PM
1 votes:

Phoenix_M: Free speech ends at the classroom door.


Actions have consequences.
2013-02-02 04:45:40 PM
1 votes:

here to help: nickdaisy: provided it's not deeply offensive

Yup. Nothing offensive about calling the black first lady a fat gorilla and gays an abomination.

Nothing offensive at all.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to defecate on a litter of cute little puppies in front of a girl scout troop.


He didn't call her a gorilla.

Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.
2013-02-02 04:40:47 PM
1 votes:
Football coach? The last time he saw a vagina is when he was born, and he's probably still upset over that.
2013-02-02 04:34:52 PM
1 votes:
Alabama? Nothing will be done.
2013-02-02 04:33:05 PM
1 votes:
lh6.googleusercontent.com
2013-02-02 04:24:23 PM
1 votes:
Alabama?  He will be exonerated by the school board.
2013-02-02 04:22:02 PM
1 votes:
You're fired.
2013-02-02 04:07:02 PM
1 votes:
Jennifer Gray

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RIP pre-op Jennifer Grey
2013-02-02 03:54:48 PM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.

What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.


Trying to ridicule someone by taking his words too literally often backfires.
2013-02-02 12:23:38 PM
1 votes:
Well, nobody puts baby in a corner.

/rtfa
 
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