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(Florence Times Daily)   HS teacher and football coach rants about his dislike for Michelle Obama and gays in front of students. Invites them to complain to principal and school board. Student does just that. w/audio   (timesdaily.com) divider line 265
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2013-02-02 11:49:42 AM  
I bet he's an anti-union neocon, but will probably waste no time in seeking help from the AFT or NEA in order to try and keep his job.
 
2013-02-02 11:56:16 AM  
Grisham: And look ... look at her. She looks like she weighs 185 or 190. She's overweight.

Different voice: Big fat gorilla


This is the thing I don't get: are these people looking at a different Michelle Obama? Have they confused her with Tyler Perry in drag?

Grisham: And look ... look at her. She looks like she weighs 185 or 190. She's overweight.

Different voice: Big fat gorilla
 
2013-02-02 12:23:38 PM  
Well, nobody puts baby in a corner.

/rtfa
 
2013-02-02 12:25:20 PM  
Grisham has been employed by the school system since 1991 and has been head football coach at Lauderdale County High School for the past five years. His team advanced to the state semifinals this past season.


Oh, it's ok then.
 
2013-02-02 12:42:05 PM  
Terminate him and let gays sort him out.
 
2013-02-02 01:02:57 PM  
So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.
 
2013-02-02 01:26:17 PM  

PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.


notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians
 
2013-02-02 01:31:23 PM  

King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians


Yup, and I'm God.
 
2013-02-02 02:42:41 PM  

what_now: This is the thing I don't get: are these people looking at a different Michelle Obama? Have they confused her with Tyler Perry in drag?


I don't think it's that confusing what drives their opinions.
 
2013-02-02 02:45:11 PM  
So, the student gets suspended, hounded out of school, and paid a non-disclosed settlement, while the coach is given a paid leave but allowed to stay in touch with the team?
 
2013-02-02 02:50:30 PM  
media.comicvine.com

I HAVE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH MICHELLE OBAMA
 
2013-02-02 02:55:31 PM  
"I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.
 
2013-02-02 02:55:49 PM  
shut up and....yell?
 
2013-02-02 03:23:00 PM  
"Grisham said he misspoke in a debate-style discussion."

Hope he's not the debate teacher, too.
 
2013-02-02 03:24:04 PM  

CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.


What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.
 
2013-02-02 03:26:10 PM  
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Mentat: I don't think it's that confusing what drives their opinions.


At least they've moved beyond prejudice down there. I know this because a friend told me he's not prejudiced, that's just how things are.
 
2013-02-02 03:43:46 PM  

Coco LaFemme: CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.

What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.


He doesn't believe in gay people because he only gets buttfarked by large, burly men in his dreams.
 
2013-02-02 03:54:48 PM  

Coco LaFemme: CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.

What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.


Trying to ridicule someone by taking his words too literally often backfires.
 
2013-02-02 03:58:19 PM  

CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.


It's not gay if the boy is crying.
 
2013-02-02 04:03:59 PM  

AirForceVet: Terminate him and let gays sort him out.


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-02 04:07:02 PM  
Jennifer Gray

s3.hubimg.com


RIP pre-op Jennifer Grey
 
2013-02-02 04:12:30 PM  

what_now: Grisham: And look ... look at her. She looks like she weighs 185 or 190. She's overweight.

Different voice: Big fat gorilla


This is the thing I don't get: are these people looking at a different Michelle Obama? Have they confused her with Tyler Perry in drag?

Grisham: And look ... look at her. She looks like she weighs 185 or 190. She's overweight.

Different voice: Big fat gorilla


Typical socialist whore libtard.  I mean, just look at her!


counterkicks.com
 
2013-02-02 04:13:36 PM  
Earlier this week I was taken to task for insinuating in a thread that Alabama might be full of brain dead rednecks spewing hate, intolerance  and ignorance.  Then, along comes this guy.
 
2013-02-02 04:20:40 PM  

Kyosuke: I'm God.


You grok?
 
2013-02-02 04:22:02 PM  
You're fired.
 
2013-02-02 04:24:23 PM  
Alabama?  He will be exonerated by the school board.
 
2013-02-02 04:25:28 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: He doesn't believe in gay people because he only gets buttfarked by large, burly men in his dreams.


Or maybe it's because he's the Frizzle Fry.
 
2013-02-02 04:26:10 PM  

Kyosuke: King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians

Yup, and I'm God.


Well, as much as anybody else is - yes, you are.
 
2013-02-02 04:26:19 PM  
Coach looks like the kind of guy whose greatest regret in life is that his hair clippers cannot cut close enough to shave off slices of his own brain.
timesdaily.static3.adqic.com
 
2013-02-02 04:26:20 PM  
So, how long before this guy gets caught doing what he professes to hate so much?
 
2013-02-02 04:28:01 PM  
Seeking martyrdom, lawsuit bait.

He must not like teaching very much.
 
2013-02-02 04:30:03 PM  
i49.tinypic.com

I didn't know Mike Huckabee was a high school football coach.
 
2013-02-02 04:30:44 PM  
Well, in all fairness the gays are the reason why post-game shower-room horseplay is now looked on as being dirty.
 
2013-02-02 04:31:19 PM  
Free speech ends at the classroom door.
 
2013-02-02 04:33:05 PM  
lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-02-02 04:33:42 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Well, in all fairness the gays are the reason why post-game shower-room horseplay is now looked on as being dirty.


3.bp.blogspot.com

You know, I was one of the first to speak out against horseplay!
 
2013-02-02 04:34:21 PM  
Other than being slightly crass how is anything he said worthy of discipline? Assuming he was just conversing, isn't he entitled to express an opinion provided it's not deeply offensive or compels his students into agreeing with him? This would seem to merit an admonishment from his supervisor but not suspension or termination.

You don't think teachers ever mocked political leaders or the spouses of politicians before?

And if the guy doesn't like homosexuals that would seem to be his business provided he's not assaulting one.

He seems like a tool but he's a football coach not a philosophy professor. I dislike this need to seek out everyone who has aberrant or minority views and try to purge their ignorance to make them part of the majority. Just let these idiots lead their lives and suffer in their own shallowness.
 
2013-02-02 04:34:42 PM  

Phoenix_M: Free speech ends at the classroom door.


Was he teaching something? Or preaching? I don't know what class putting down people is part of the curriculum is part of.
 
2013-02-02 04:34:52 PM  
Alabama? Nothing will be done.
 
2013-02-02 04:35:00 PM  
Heh, lucky the person who made the gorilla comment wasn't identified. That right there can easily be construed as racist/hate speech.

Anywhere but the south and this guy would have been dismissed already.
 
2013-02-02 04:36:12 PM  
I like how rednecks get all squeaky and girly sounding when they're upset about their stupid ideas being challenged.

Yeah, Bob. You got it all figured out, buddy. You should totally run for pres. Then you can stick it to those queer gorillas that are ruinin' REAL America.

What's really frightening about that audio is the kids in the background going along with it. I really hope they were just egging him on so they could post this guy's hateful bullsh*t for the world to see.
 
2013-02-02 04:37:13 PM  
Roll Tide?
 
2013-02-02 04:38:24 PM  

Coco LaFemme: CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.

What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.


Excuse me, stewardess? I speak Ignorant Redneck. I think here he's using the words "believe in" to mean "endorse or approve of".
 
2013-02-02 04:39:00 PM  

nickdaisy: He seems like a tool but he's a football coach not a philosophy professor. I dislike this need to seek out everyone who has aberrant or minority views and try to purge their ignorance to make them part of the majority. Just let these idiots lead their lives and suffer in their own shallowness.


Because after all, ignorance, shallowness, and idiocy are important qualities in a football coach.
 
2013-02-02 04:39:51 PM  
i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-02 04:39:57 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: So, how long before this guy gets caught doing what he professes to hate so much?


Methinks doth protest too much
 
2013-02-02 04:40:47 PM  
Football coach? The last time he saw a vagina is when he was born, and he's probably still upset over that.
 
2013-02-02 04:41:26 PM  

nickdaisy: provided it's not deeply offensive


Yup. Nothing offensive about calling the black first lady a fat gorilla and gays an abomination.

Nothing offensive at all.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to defecate on a litter of cute little puppies in front of a girl scout troop.
 
2013-02-02 04:42:23 PM  
News flash: some people don't like Democrats or gays.    More at 11.
 
2013-02-02 04:44:28 PM  
Don't get him started on "man-tits"
timesdaily.static3.adqic.com
 
2013-02-02 04:45:40 PM  

here to help: nickdaisy: provided it's not deeply offensive

Yup. Nothing offensive about calling the black first lady a fat gorilla and gays an abomination.

Nothing offensive at all.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to defecate on a litter of cute little puppies in front of a girl scout troop.


He didn't call her a gorilla.

Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.
 
2013-02-02 04:48:00 PM  
Not the same Bob Grisham on Facebook, but what's the deal with people named Bob Grisham?

Obama Screwed More People Than Tiger Woods, I hate it when I wake up in the morning and Barack Obama is President., Sarah Palin, Julianne Hough, Binky's Irish Pub, Central Wisconsin Firearms, Farkle - Best Dice Game.


I mean, c'mon. Everybody knows Yahtzee is the best dice game ever.
 
2013-02-02 04:49:19 PM  

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: provided it's not deeply offensive

Yup. Nothing offensive about calling the black first lady a fat gorilla and gays an abomination.

Nothing offensive at all.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to defecate on a litter of cute little puppies in front of a girl scout troop.

He didn't call her a gorilla.

Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


Yes, in 1952.
 
2013-02-02 04:51:31 PM  
nickdaisy:
Account created:2013-01-25 14:39:53 lurk moar
 
2013-02-02 04:51:33 PM  

nickdaisy: Just let these idiots lead their lives and suffer in their own shallowness.


Not when they're influencing the next generation of people with their ignorance, thanks.
 
2013-02-02 04:52:47 PM  
Re the US: 'It ain't gonna get no better.'

And

'I don't believe in queers.'

That is all.

/this type of mofo might be useful in WWIII.
 
2013-02-02 04:53:20 PM  
nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-02 04:53:28 PM  

Phoenix_M: Free speech ends at the classroom door.


Actions have consequences.
 
2013-02-02 04:55:24 PM  

ChrisDe: Not the same Bob Grisham on Facebook, but what's the deal with people named Bob Grisham?

"

new years resolution i will know longer go to bars that breck the law and alowe smoking any friends i have will respect me and will get togeather in a no smoking place of bisness happy new year."
 
2013-02-02 04:56:01 PM  
Huh, so you say this happened in the South?

Ya don't say...
 
2013-02-02 04:57:14 PM  

FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

[i105.photobucket.com image 608x325]


Man... that's still pretty goddamned sad. :-(
 
2013-02-02 04:58:43 PM  
Coco LaFemme:

What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.


Unless you're in Iran. Then they're purely mythical.

www.sexualfuturist.com
 
2013-02-02 04:58:56 PM  

Churchy LaFemme: Huh, so you say this happened in the South?

Ya don't say...


Could have just as easily have been Western Penn or any other Northern Bumblefark.
 
2013-02-02 05:00:02 PM  
"We're all ... aw it's OK .... for ... and ... y'all can get pissed off at me or not. You can go tell the principal, you can call the superintendent and tell her."

People are funny. He knew he was screwing up and just dug deeper, like he really needed to vent.
Stupid to do it at work and especially this job.
 
2013-02-02 05:02:26 PM  

FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.


I stand corrected. But it's fair to say homosexuality is not widely accepted. And I'd wager that graph would look different for Alabama only. And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I'm just saying can't we let idiots be idiots? Does every single stupid comment have to result in a societal "teachable moment?"

It's friggin impossible to say anything anymore without someone running to a legislature or higher civil authority to seek help. If someone disagrees with the guy, how about just telling the guy he's a douche and moving on?

That's why I think his comment about telling the school board was spot on. Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Discuss.
 
2013-02-02 05:03:27 PM  

Coco LaFemme: CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.

What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.


You mean the THEORY of gravity? It's just that! A THEORY!! AND THAT IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT!!!
 
2013-02-02 05:03:55 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: nickdaisy: He seems like a tool but he's a football coach not a philosophy professor. I dislike this need to seek out everyone who has aberrant or minority views and try to purge their ignorance to make them part of the majority. Just let these idiots lead their lives and suffer in their own shallowness.

Because after all, ignorance, shallowness, and idiocy are important qualities in a football coach.


these qualities are not important or desired but they certainly aren't unheard of. screaming homophobic football coaches that spend time with naked young men in the showers and just love wrestling are the opposite side of the lesbian gym teacher coach who can kick most of the male teachers asses in the school. there is nothing new under the sun.
 
2013-02-02 05:06:05 PM  

here to help: FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

[i105.photobucket.com image 608x325]

Man... that's still pretty goddamned sad. :-(


And it could be trending back the other direction according to that chart...
 
2013-02-02 05:08:11 PM  
KrispyKritter: 

these qualities are not important or desired but they certainly aren't unheard of. screaming homophobic football coaches that spend time with naked young men in the showers and just love wrestling are the opposite side of the lesbian gym teacher coach who can kick most of the male teachers asses in the school. there is nothing new under the sun.

www.virginmedia.com

Agrees....
 
2013-02-02 05:08:30 PM  

nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

I stand corrected. But it's fair to say homosexuality is not widely accepted. And I'd wager that graph would look different for Alabama only. And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I'm just saying can't we let idiots be idiots? Does every single stupid comment have to result in a societal "teachable moment?"

It's friggin impossible to say anything anymore without someone running to a legislature or higher civil authority to seek help. If someone disagrees with the guy, how about just telling the guy he's a douche and moving on?

That's why I think his comment about telling the school board was spot on. Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Discuss.


He wasn't in the local dive bar or gunning it up with his buddies at the local range. He was in a public school classroom in a position of authority in front of students while collecting a paycheck from the government.

But you know all that and you know how wrong it is. You're just bored. There are better hobbies out there, bro.
 
2013-02-02 05:09:55 PM  

nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
 And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....


I disagree.  The very essence of democracy is the tyranny of the majority.
 
2013-02-02 05:11:38 PM  

Genju: And it could be trending back the other direction according to that chart...


Might be due to the after election wargharble. Anything even remotely liberal, no matter how reasonable, no matter how much you agree with it, must be screamed and kicked at until it dies.
 
2013-02-02 05:11:39 PM  

here to help: nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

I stand corrected. But it's fair to say homosexuality is not widely accepted. And I'd wager that graph would look different for Alabama only. And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I'm just saying can't we let idiots be idiots? Does every single stupid comment have to result in a societal "teachable moment?"

It's friggin impossible to say anything anymore without someone running to a legislature or higher civil authority to seek help. If someone disagrees with the guy, how about just telling the guy he's a douche and moving on?

That's why I think his comment about telling the school board was spot on. Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Discuss.

He wasn't in the local dive bar or gunning it up with his buddies at the local range. He was in a public school classroom in a position of authority in front of students while collecting a paycheck from the government.

But you know all that and you know how wrong it is. You're just bored. There are better hobbies out there, bro.


Well  said.
 
2013-02-02 05:12:51 PM  

PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.


A Christian is someone who believes Christ died on the Cross for our sins. It's a safe bet to say this man believes that.
 
2013-02-02 05:13:49 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Well said.


Danca, donkeywrestler.

*tips hat*
 
2013-02-02 05:15:56 PM  

nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

I stand corrected. But it's fair to say homosexuality is not widely accepted. And I'd wager that graph would look different for Alabama only. And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I'm just saying can't we let idiots be idiots? Does every single stupid comment have to result in a societal "teachable moment?"

It's friggin impossible to say anything anymore without someone running to a legislature or higher civil authority to seek help. If someone disagrees with the guy, how about just telling the guy he's a douche and moving on?

That's why I think his comment about telling the school board was spot on. Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Discuss.


In cases of adults who occupy positions of authority over children, such as teachers, some limitations on speech may be appropriate.  I'm a teacher, and I have enough sense to know that some of my opinions should not be discussed in the classroom.

This guy sounds like he has difficulty with self-control and doesn't have the sense to temper his language.  Since he is professionally obligated to deal with youngsters, he really should be expected to master those skills, if for no other reason than that shooting his mouth off can potentially result in a lawsuit against his employers.
 
2013-02-02 05:16:36 PM  

Coco LaFemme: That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.


Gravity is just a theory.
 
2013-02-02 05:17:15 PM  

nickdaisy: Other than being slightly crass how is anything he said worthy of discipline? Assuming he was just conversing, isn't he entitled to express an opinion provided it's not deeply offensive or compels his students into agreeing with him? This would seem to merit an admonishment from his supervisor but not suspension or termination.

You don't think teachers ever mocked political leaders or the spouses of politicians before?

And if the guy doesn't like homosexuals that would seem to be his business provided he's not assaulting one.

He seems like a tool but he's a football coach not a philosophy professor. I dislike this need to seek out everyone who has aberrant or minority views and try to purge their ignorance to make them part of the majority. Just let these idiots lead their lives and suffer in their own shallowness.



Teachers don't get to call black people gorillas or insult minorities of any type. It's not "his business" that he hates gay people. He made it the class' business. Including possibly, a gay student who knows for certain he/she will not get a fair shake in this class.
 
2013-02-02 05:18:16 PM  

TinyFist: Coco LaFemme: CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.

What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.

You mean the THEORY of gravity? It's just that! A THEORY!! AND THAT IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT!!!


Shakes tiny fist- wait...
 
2013-02-02 05:18:38 PM  
It's really very simple.

Not gay:
- Sodomizing JV players with a broom stick
- Playing soggy biscuit
- Competing to see who can cram the most bing cherries up his ass
-  Slapping erections together until someone cries uncle

Gay:
- Two dudes kissing
 
2013-02-02 05:19:05 PM  
here to help:

Man... that's still pretty goddamned sad. :-(

Indeed.  I don't expect 100%, but "just over half of all Americans think everyone is equal" is pretty embarrassing.
 
2013-02-02 05:19:09 PM  

nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

I stand corrected. But it's fair to say homosexuality is not widely accepted. And I'd wager that graph would look different for Alabama only. And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I'm just saying can't we let idiots be idiots? Does every single stupid comment have to result in a societal "teachable moment?"

It's friggin impossible to say anything anymore without someone running to a legislature or higher civil authority to seek help. If someone disagrees with the guy, how about just telling the guy he's a douche and moving on?

That's why I think his comment about telling the school board was spot on. Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Discuss.


If this man worked for me, as an educator, i would be far more concerned about his grotesque emotional immaturity and terrible judgement than his pathetic "views". I'm not putting a loudmouthed asshole with no brains in charge of a bunch of other people's kids, myself - not if I'm in charge, and my professional reputation is on the line.
 
2013-02-02 05:19:14 PM  

Glancing Blow: nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
 And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I disagree.  The very essence of democracy is the tyranny of the majority.


Which is why we have a republic not a democracy. Surely this has been debated and resolved here before?

Okay I'm outta here.

Let's agree to disagree on the details but agree that this guy is a tool.
 
2013-02-02 05:20:06 PM  

buckler: Coco LaFemme: CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.

What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.

Excuse me, stewardess? I speak Ignorant Redneck. I think here he's using the words "believe in" to mean "endorse or approve of".


Possibly, but some anti-gay bigots literally don't "believe" in gays. As in, they don't think we're a minority group. "Gay" is not a state of being to them, but an action.
 
2013-02-02 05:21:26 PM  

boozehat: News flash: some people don't like Democrats or gays.    More at 11.


Or blacks. Those people shouldn't be teachers.
 
2013-02-02 05:21:27 PM  

nickdaisy: Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.


Are you saying government employees should not be accountable to the government?
 
2013-02-02 05:22:15 PM  

nickdaisy: Glancing Blow: nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
 And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I disagree.  The very essence of democracy is the tyranny of the majority.

Which is why we have a republic not a democracy. Surely this has been debated and resolved here before?

Okay I'm outta here.

Let's agree to disagree on the details but agree that this guy is a tool.


No.  We have a republic governed by democracy.  It's the concept of states-rights vs. rule of the national majority.
 
2013-02-02 05:23:38 PM  

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: provided it's not deeply offensive

Yup. Nothing offensive about calling the black first lady a fat gorilla and gays an abomination.

Nothing offensive at all.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to defecate on a litter of cute little puppies in front of a girl scout troop.

He didn't call her a gorilla.

Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


No they don't. Bigots like this coach and you are decidedly a minority now. Check any poll. And then go fark yourself. Also, he didn't bother admonishing the student who called her a gorilla, not that you mind at all I'm sure.
 
2013-02-02 05:25:58 PM  
He looks exactly like everyone else who shares his opinions. Is it just a coincidence that nobody who has this tea partyish imbecile outlook is thin with great hair?
 
2013-02-02 05:26:53 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Well, in all fairness the gays are the reason why post-game shower-room horseplay is now looked on as being dirty.


Also responsible for ruining hazing based sodomy (not the gay kind), and butt-chugging.
 
2013-02-02 05:27:26 PM  

King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians


All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn. "Identifies" means nothing. "Lives as" defines everything.
 
2013-02-02 05:28:07 PM  
This reminds me of last weekend when I was with my mom an step-dad. He's hardcore Fox News Republican. He went off about how Christians are being bullied and that if you're against gays you're called out as homophobic and such and such. I tuned out and smiled and nodded after a while.
 
2013-02-02 05:28:31 PM  

BSABSVR: nickdaisy: Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Are you saying government employees should not be accountable to the government?


No, he's saying it's totally fine if teachers trash talk gay people in class. Because he feels the same way.
 
2013-02-02 05:30:28 PM  

eddiesocket: Also, he didn't bother admonishing the student who called her a gorilla, not that you mind at all I'm sure.


seriously, this.

every time someone says that we live in a post racial America, point them to the fact that students can still refer to blacks as gorillas in front of their teachers and get high fives.
 
2013-02-02 05:30:57 PM  

barefoot in the head: King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians

All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn. "Identifies" means nothing. "Lives as" defines everything.


There's no "lives as" requirement to be a Christian. There is simply the requirement that one believes Christ died for our sins.
 
2013-02-02 05:33:17 PM  
dude deserves to be canned.
 
2013-02-02 05:33:25 PM  

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2013-02-02 05:33:53 PM  
If he had been bashing straights, whites and Republicans, that would be OK, nyet?

Double standard as usual
 
2013-02-02 05:34:19 PM  
Damn! I was going to post mr.buzzcut. I feel cheated. "Beavis and Butthead. What in the HELL you doin?"
 
2013-02-02 05:34:40 PM  

2xhelix: I bet he's an anti-union neocon



Minor point, but neocons aren't intrinsically anti-union. There primary concern is bombing brown folks to make the world safe for Israel democracy.
Movement conservatives or the corporate anarchist branch of the GOP are the anti-union folks.
 
2013-02-02 05:35:59 PM  
Well, I guess teapartycommunity [dot] com (i hate actively linking that craphole) just gained another few members and photoshop themes to show we are living in end times. I mean, if you can't call the First Lady a "Big fat gorilla" with your buds, how can you expect the constitution to be respected by the illegals, queers and even people who use qwerty keyboards because the letter "q" is just so gay and Mitt would have banned it from use in the White House that was stolen from him by that dark skinned communist who was also involved in blowing up the space shuttle while visiting China on the baby selling spree that the taxpayers paid for during his visit to his dog meat harvesting kennel and butcher shop situated next to all those former US auto factories he moved offshore?

Love that a church seems situated on HS grounds (or maybe its 100ft across the street).

Link goes to google map
s20.postimage.org
 
2013-02-02 05:36:05 PM  

barefoot in the head: King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians

All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn. "Identifies" means nothing. "Lives as" defines everything.


Maybe if it's a real thing, that has actual, concretely defined qualifications. The term "Christian" is not a real thing, in that sense.
You can say that Fred Phelps isn't a "real Christian" - but you can't prove it. That I am not an airline pilot, on the other hand, could be easily (if expensively) proven.
 
2013-02-02 05:38:11 PM  

4seasons85!: if you're against gays you're called out as homophobic and such and such.


This is a very frightening trend. Spew a bunch of racist/homophobic crap then get all offended when someone points out how bigoted those sentiments are.

That's pretty much what this guy pulled.

I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers.

The bolded part is supposed to make it all okay. It's like the classic "I'm not a racist BUT... *bunch of racist crap*"

And they believe it. I have to deal with this with family members occasionally and it pisses me the f*ck off.
 
2013-02-02 05:41:48 PM  

here to help: 4seasons85!: if you're against gays you're called out as homophobic and such and such.

This is a very frightening trend. Spew a bunch of racist/homophobic crap then get all offended when someone points out how bigoted those sentiments are.

That's pretty much what this guy pulled.

I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers.

The bolded part is supposed to make it all okay. It's like the classic "I'm not a racist BUT... *bunch of racist crap*"

And they believe it. I have to deal with this with family members occasionally and it pisses me the f*ck off.


Well here, let me bring in Lester to pound you in the ass and rub some shiat in your face.  All better now, princess?
 
2013-02-02 05:42:29 PM  

olddinosaur: If he had been bashing straights, whites and Republicans, that would be OK, nyet?

Double standard as usual



No, that would not be OK.  Why would you think that?
 
2013-02-02 05:43:01 PM  

olddinosaur: If he had been bashing straights, whites and Republicans, that would be OK, nyet?

Double standard as usual


Yes, a "double standard" you just made up with absolutely no basis in reality.
 
2013-02-02 05:43:30 PM  
I would also like to think most of the students would know a tool when they heard one. Learning to avoid jerks and tools would have to have been one of the first things I learned in school.

Maybe he hit the sauce heavy and had a mel moment. Im quite sure looking back now one or two teachers of mine where probably heavy boozers given how insane they seemed. Not saying this is right, but when there is smoke there is fire.
 
2013-02-02 05:44:35 PM  

olddinosaur: If he had been bashing straights, whites and Republicans, that would be OK, nyet?

Double standard as usual


Not if I was his boss. My problem is with his maturity and judgement. Kids say all kinds of dumbass things - the function of the educator is to be the grownup in the room. I read that "discussion - there was no grownup in that room.  And since his performance would reflect on me, as his boss, I would have a big problem with putting him in charge of other people's kids.
 
2013-02-02 05:44:56 PM  
My eighth grade U.S. History teacher, mid-1980s, once gave us an amazing rant about how Madonna was a "whore" and real Hollywood performances died when John Wayne passed away. I remember staring at him in shock because up to then, I'd only ever seen the word in print, and just assumed it was pronounced "war."

/CS,B
 
2013-02-02 05:46:21 PM  
Pro-gay opinions by a coach would be applauded, yet anti-gay makes him the devil. Well, if that is true then I hope this country goes to hell because apparently gays won't allowed here then. Michelle Obama's butt is fat. It's a racial thing.
 
2013-02-02 05:49:01 PM  

here to help: 4seasons85!: if you're against gays you're called out as homophobic and such and such.

This is a very frightening trend. Spew a bunch of racist/homophobic crap then get all offended when someone points out how bigoted those sentiments are.

That's pretty much what this guy pulled.

I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers.

The bolded part is supposed to make it all okay. It's like the classic "I'm not a racist BUT... *bunch of racist crap*"

And they believe it. I have to deal with this with family members occasionally and it pisses me the f*ck off.


Yes there's really no point in arguing with them because they are very set in their ways. So I just tune out and fake like I am listening.
 
2013-02-02 05:49:29 PM  

Stinkyy: here to help: 4seasons85!: if you're against gays you're called out as homophobic and such and such.

This is a very frightening trend. Spew a bunch of racist/homophobic crap then get all offended when someone points out how bigoted those sentiments are.

That's pretty much what this guy pulled.

I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers.

The bolded part is supposed to make it all okay. It's like the classic "I'm not a racist BUT... *bunch of racist crap*"

And they believe it. I have to deal with this with family members occasionally and it pisses me the f*ck off.

Well here, let me bring in Lester to pound you in the ass and rub some shiat in your face.  All better now, princess?


Uh... excuse me?
 
2013-02-02 05:49:58 PM  
The trolls don't even try these days.
 
2013-02-02 05:50:20 PM  

Terrydatroll: Pro-gay opinions by a coach would be applauded, yet anti-gay makes him the devil. Well, if that is true then I hope this country goes to hell because apparently gays won't allowed here then. Michelle Obama's butt is fat. It's a racial thing.


A gimmick account? On Fark? In 2013?
Laaaaaaame.
Anyway, we already have "Letrole" and "The Guy Who Is Trolling You Right Now" - although I haven't seen him around for a while. A little originality, please - the quality of the trolling around here has gotten abysmal lately.
 
2013-02-02 05:51:09 PM  
I had a teacher in high school (early 90's) explain to us how words can evolve over time. For example, "gay" once meant "happy", but now it means "miserable and dying of AIDS". Many students laughed. I remember being convinced that I would almost certainly die of AIDS and people like my teacher would laugh.  I can't believe that sort of shiat is still going on.
 
2013-02-02 05:52:03 PM  

FloydA: The trolls don't even try these days.


I want funny/smart Fark back. :-\
 
2013-02-02 05:52:22 PM  

jso2897: Terrydatroll: Pro-gay opinions by a coach would be applauded, yet anti-gay makes him the devil. Well, if that is true then I hope this country goes to hell because apparently gays won't allowed here then. Michelle Obama's butt is fat. It's a racial thing.

A gimmick account? On Fark? In 2013?
Laaaaaaame.
Anyway, we already have "Letrole" and "The Guy Who Is Trolling You Right Now" - although I haven't seen him around for a while. A little originality, please - the quality of the trolling around here has gotten abysmal lately.


I miss StopArrestingMe.
 
2013-02-02 05:54:15 PM  

FloydA: The trolls don't even try these days.


It's not the lack of quality - good trolling is hard. It's the lack of even the most minimal effort.
 
2013-02-02 05:55:39 PM  

Stinkyy: [horrible comic book]


What the Fark? People really read that crap and believe it?

Oh my.
 
2013-02-02 05:55:58 PM  

Phoenix_M: Free speech ends at the classroom door.


FFS this is not about the f*cking first amendment.
 
2013-02-02 05:56:36 PM  

olddinosaur: If he had been bashing straights, whites and Republicans, that would be OK, nyet?

Double standard as usual


No, idiot.
 
2013-02-02 05:56:54 PM  

eddiesocket: jso2897: Terrydatroll: Pro-gay opinions by a coach would be applauded, yet anti-gay makes him the devil. Well, if that is true then I hope this country goes to hell because apparently gays won't allowed here then. Michelle Obama's butt is fat. It's a racial thing.

A gimmick account? On Fark? In 2013?
Laaaaaaame.
Anyway, we already have "Letrole" and "The Guy Who Is Trolling You Right Now" - although I haven't seen him around for a while. A little originality, please - the quality of the trolling around here has gotten abysmal lately.

I miss StopArrestingMe.


Well, we still have MikeLoweLL and PocketNinja. Meowsaysthedog pops in once in a great while, but he's not so much a troll as a surrealist performance artist.
 
2013-02-02 06:01:05 PM  

you are a puppet: He looks exactly like everyone else who shares his opinions. Is it just a coincidence that nobody who has this tea partyish imbecile outlook is thin with great hair?


As a fat, bald liberal, I resent that. :-p
 
2013-02-02 06:01:15 PM  

Kimothy: Stinkyy: [horrible comic book]

What the Fark? People really read that crap and believe it?

Oh my.


Good heavens - you've never seen a Jack Chick tract? They've been around since the early sixties, at least. You used to find them scattered in laundromats and bus stations (like the Watchtower), or get them pressed into your hand by some earnest, pimply faced kid. I find them hilarious.
 
2013-02-02 06:03:44 PM  

Coco LaFemme: CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.

What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.


Here you go:  http://skepticalteacher.wordpress.com/2009/03/12/gravity-only-a-theor y /
 
2013-02-02 06:05:01 PM  
@

Terrydatroll: Pro-gay opinions by a coach would be applauded, yet anti-gay makes him the devil. Well, if that is true then I hope this country goes to hell because apparently gays won't allowed here then. Michelle Obama's butt is fat. It's a racial thing.


I think the issue is, his opinion on this subject was not relevant to his job duties and certainly not for the entire class. If he went on a rant on the side of a street on his own time this would be a different story.
 
2013-02-02 06:05:41 PM  

homelessdude: Love that a church seems situated on HS grounds (or maybe its 100ft across the street).


Not unusual.  Growing up in Phoenix, a few of the schools I went to had Mormon steaks or educational buildings so the little robots could go for brainwashing during school hours.
 
2013-02-02 06:06:50 PM  

dv-ous: you are a puppet: He looks exactly like everyone else who shares his opinions. Is it just a coincidence that nobody who has this tea partyish imbecile outlook is thin with great hair?

As a fat, bald liberal, I resent that. :-p


Since I don't consider myself a "Progressive person of size" maybe I'm really just a centrist. But still.
 
2013-02-02 06:07:06 PM  

Terrydatroll: Pro-gay opinions by a coach would be applauded, yet anti-gay makes him the devil. Well, if that is true then I hope this country goes to hell because apparently gays won't allowed here then. Michelle Obama's butt is fat. It's a racial thing.


You aren't even trying. F8ck off.
 
2013-02-02 06:07:28 PM  
Getting pretty sick of ignorant, nonsensical, left-wing liberal Obama sycophants branding any & every person who disagrees with their pathetic extreme liberal world view as a "Fox News Republican", even though in 99% of these instances THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the person in question even watches Fox News.

Also, unlike most mainstream news outlets, Fox News actually bends over backwards to include both "left" and "right" viewpoints on their air.
 
2013-02-02 06:13:25 PM  

Krieghund: [i46.tinypic.com image 310x231]


is that a promise ;)
 
2013-02-02 06:13:58 PM  

Infobahn: homelessdude: Love that a church seems situated on HS grounds (or maybe its 100ft across the street).

Not unusual.  Growing up in Phoenix, a few of the schools I went to had Mormon steaks


I'm a pretty hardcore atheist who has no interest in listening to religious people, but I still don't think we should be cooking them.
 
2013-02-02 06:14:40 PM  

here to help: I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers.

The bolded part is supposed to make it all okay. It's like the classic "I'm not a racist BUT... *bunch of racist crap*"

And they believe it. I have to deal with this with family members occasionally and it pisses me the f*ck off.


you can't be offended by what I said... I said 'with all due respect'.
 
2013-02-02 06:15:13 PM  

logicalman: Getting pretty sick of ignorant, nonsensical, left-wing liberal Obama sycophants branding any & every person who disagrees with their pathetic extreme liberal world view as a "Fox News Republican", even though in 99% of these instances THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the person in question even watches Fox News.

Also, unlike most mainstream news outlets, Fox News actually bends over backwards to include both "left" and "right" viewpoints on their air.


Well, then, go back to Free Republic. You won't have to put up with this sort of outrage over there - and we sure don't need your boring, redundant comments here.
 
2013-02-02 06:16:26 PM  

FloydA: Infobahn: homelessdude: Love that a church seems situated on HS grounds (or maybe its 100ft across the street).

Not unusual.  Growing up in Phoenix, a few of the schools I went to had Mormon steaks

I'm a pretty hardcore atheist who has no interest in listening to religious people, but I still don't think we should be cooking them.


Would you have us eat them raw? Savage.
 
2013-02-02 06:17:57 PM  

eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians

All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn. "Identifies" means nothing. "Lives as" defines everything.

There's no "lives as" requirement to be a Christian. There is simply the requirement that one believes Christ died for our sins.


That get out of jail free card is held by professed Christians and non-Christians alike to be something of itself, some lynchpin signifying proof or lack of proof, but it is nothing. It is the life, and what was demonstrated and conveyed during that life, which has sole meaning. Belief in death as a salve is lazy and puny.

The reason Jesus died is because he would not naysay his truth before earthly power. If you do not live your truth, you have none - and yet we all understand the fear of death. But to make the final sacrifice to be the whole of his presence is to miss the point in a tragic way. In refusing to betray his truth and to deny the people whom he taught, he was being directly instructive. His death was his last message, an incredibly brave and sacrificing object lesson, but it was only the final gesture of a lived gift. Whether he actually existed or not, that gift as passed down in the Christian scripture can help free people, along with many other wonderful teachings left to us from other enlightened beings. The jewel is always in the lotus. It is up to us to see.
 
2013-02-02 06:18:21 PM  

here to help: That's pretty much what this guy pulled.
I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers.
The bolded part is supposed to make it all okay. It's like the classic "I'm not a racist BUT... *bunch of racist crap*"
And they believe it. I have to deal with this with family members occasionally and it pisses me the f*ck off.



here to help: This is a very frightening trend. Spew a bunch of racist/homophobic crap then get all offended when someone points out how bigoted those sentiments are.

That's pretty much what this guy pulled.


hmmf.....this is covered at length§ Chapter 1 in the Tea Party Handbook. Not that it makes it right in any way, but this is a core belief.

§ - length being relative to the attention span of the average Tea Party member, which is about 23 words on a good day.


s20.postimage.org
 
2013-02-02 06:20:45 PM  

barefoot in the head: eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians

All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn. "Identifies" means nothing. "Lives as" defines everything.

There's no "lives as" requirement to be a Christian. There is simply the requirement that one believes Christ died for our sins.

That get out of jail free card is held by professed Christians and non-Christians alike to be something of itself, some lynchpin signifying proof or lack of proof, but it is nothing. It is the life, and what was demonstrated and conveyed during that life, which has sole meaning. Belief in death as a salve is lazy and puny.

The reason Jesus died is because he would not naysay his truth before earthly power. If you do not live your truth, you have none - and yet we all understand the fear of death. But to make the final sacrifice to be the whole of his presence is to miss the point in a tragic way. In refusing to betray his truth and to deny the people whom he taught, he was being directly instructive. His death was his last message, an incredibly brave and sacrificing object lesson, but it was only the final gesture of a lived gift. Whether he actually existed or not, that gift as passed down in the Christian scripture can help free people, along with many other wonderful teachings left to us from other enlightened beings. The jewel is always in the lotus. It is up to us to see.


Another words, "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Sorry buddy, many Christians are awful people. Saying they don't count is not a compelling or convincing argument.
 
2013-02-02 06:24:50 PM  
I'll take things most people can't say at their job for 100.
 
2013-02-02 06:25:24 PM  

logicalman: Getting pretty sick of ignorant, nonsensical, left-wing liberal Obama sycophants branding any & every person who disagrees with their pathetic extreme liberal world view as a "Fox News Republican", even though in 99% of these instances THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the person in question even watches Fox News.

Also, unlike most mainstream news outlets, Fox News actually bends over backwards to include both "left" and "right" viewpoints on their air.


You're the first person to bring up Fox, you sad little martyr you. Though now that you mention it, this Coach is almost certainly an avid viewer, if cable exists in his mudhole.
 
2013-02-02 06:27:10 PM  

barefoot in the head: eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians

All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn. "Identifies" means nothing. "Lives as" defines everything.

There's no "lives as" requirement to be a Christian. There is simply the requirement that one believes Christ died for our sins.

That get out of jail free card is held by professed Christians and non-Christians alike to be something of itself, some lynchpin signifying proof or lack of proof, but it is nothing. It is the life, and what was demonstrated and conveyed during that life, which has sole meaning. Belief in death as a salve is lazy and puny.

The reason Jesus died is because he would not naysay his truth before earthly power. If you do not live your truth, you have none - and yet we all understand the fear of death. But to make the final sacrifice to be the whole of his presence is to miss the point in a tragic way. In refusing to betray his truth and to deny the people whom he taught, he was being directly instructive. His death was his last message, an incredibly brave and sacrificing object lesson, but it was only the final gesture of a lived gift. Whether he actually existed or not, that gift as passed down in the Christian scripture can help free people, along with many other wonderful teachings left to us from other enlightened beings. The jewel is always in the lotus. It is up to us to see.


By means of what epistemology do you think you have found these statements to be true, in any sense?
 
2013-02-02 06:31:27 PM  

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: provided it's not deeply offensive

Yup. Nothing offensive about calling the black first lady a fat gorilla and gays an abomination.

Nothing offensive at all.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to defecate on a litter of cute little puppies in front of a girl scout troop.

He didn't call her a gorilla.

Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


Most Americans don't really care. If you do it fine, if you don't fine, and let them marry whoever they want.
 
2013-02-02 06:40:54 PM  

Kyosuke: King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians

Yup, and I'm God.


Shut up, Paulist.
 
2013-02-02 06:43:18 PM  

Coco LaFemme: CruiserTwelve: "I don't believe in queers, I don't like queers. I don't ... I don't hate them as a person but what they do is wrong, it's an abomination against God. I don't like being around queers."

But he likes being in a locker room full of high school boys while they change their clothes.

What I don't get is he said he doesn't believe in gay people.  Gay people exist, they're not like leprechauns or the Easter Bunny.  You can't stay you don't believe in something that we can prove exists.  That's like saying you don't believe in gravity or something.


Republicans are the party that doesn't believe in science...so they might not believe in gravity...they think it's Gods hand holding you on the planet.

/waiting for story about the coach having a homosexual affair with teenage boy in a few weeks or months.
 
2013-02-02 06:43:41 PM  
He probably has tenure...
 
2013-02-02 06:43:42 PM  
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2013-02-02 06:48:06 PM  

Generation_D: Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


Umm....no....but don't let that stop you from making stuff up. It is expected and the consistency in doing so is oddly comforting.

Majority Supports Path to Citizenship; Greater Division on Other Social Issues
By Greg Holyk
ABC News
Nov 14, 2012
Actual Poll Results (PDF | 192kb) (langerresearch.com)


Poll: Growing Public Approval of Gay Marriage
By Tobin Grant
Christianity Today
March 18, 2011
Actual Poll Results (washingtonpost.com)
 
2013-02-02 06:49:26 PM  
eddiesocket:  Another words, "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Sorry buddy, many Christians are awful people. Saying they don't count is not a compelling or convincing argument.

If you don't live it you aren't it, period. Saying you are something is just vibrations in the air.
 
2013-02-02 06:50:46 PM  

jso2897: barefoot in the head: King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

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/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians

All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn. "Identifies" means nothing. "Lives as" defines everything.

Maybe if it's a real thing, that has actual, concretely defined qualifications. The term "Christian" is not a real thing, in that sense.
You can say that Fred Phelps isn't a "real Christian" - but you can't prove it. That I am not an airline pilot, on the other hand, could be easily (if expensively) proven.


I certainly can and so can you. Just read the texts.
 
2013-02-02 06:51:26 PM  

barefoot in the head: eddiesocket:  Another words, "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Sorry buddy, many Christians are awful people. Saying they don't count is not a compelling or convincing argument.

If you don't live it you aren't it, period. Saying you are something is just vibrations in the air.


Which conveniently allows you to say all Christians are great people. Funny how that works out for you.
 
2013-02-02 06:54:23 PM  
I listened to about 10 seconds before I had to just stop. I can understand off-shored call center English better than southern hick English. I don't know how you can go through life sounding like that. I think I would cut out my own vocal chords if I sounded like that.
 
2013-02-02 06:54:56 PM  

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Okay, point taken. She has a big ass. But she's clearly not "fat" and is obviously quite fit. Just with a big ass. If conservatives want to make fun of it, that's their prerogative. But calling her a "hypocrite" for encouraging kids to eat healthy just makes them look like idiots.
 
2013-02-02 06:56:20 PM  
I love it when the area I grew up in makes a FARK news story.
 
2013-02-02 06:58:40 PM  

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That Susy is a real biatch.
 
2013-02-02 07:00:18 PM  

eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

notruescotsman.jpg

/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians

All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn. "Identifies" means nothing. "Lives as" defines everything.

There's no "lives as" requirement to be a Christian. There is simply the requirement that one believes Christ died for our sins.


And this is why Christians denominations never used to refer to themselves as simply "Christian."  Each denomination's quirks are heretical to other denominations.

"Faith vs. Works" theological debate was why Protestants split from the Catholic Church in 1521.  It's stupid and foolish for believers in the various Christian denominations to think Christianity unites the denominations.
 
2013-02-02 07:03:56 PM  

Glancing Blow: nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
 And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I disagree.  The very essence of democracy is the tyranny of the majority minority.



FTFY

Any marginal pressure group can get their way if they scream loudly enough.
 
2013-02-02 07:07:37 PM  
They're calling Michelle Obama fat for being 190 lbs? This is Alabama, if anything she would be one of the skinny ones!
 
2013-02-02 07:07:39 PM  

eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: eddiesocket:  Another words, "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Sorry buddy, many Christians are awful people. Saying they don't count is not a compelling or convincing argument.

If you don't live it you aren't it, period. Saying you are something is just vibrations in the air.

Which conveniently allows you to say all Christians are great people. Funny how that works out for you.


No it allows me to say what I have said. I will say it once more as clearly as I can. What you say you are means shiat if it is not what you do.
 
2013-02-02 07:08:15 PM  
You guys, relax.  This took place in Racist Homophobe class.  It's a state-mandated requirement for graduation in Tennessee that replaced Biology.  The teacher was only following the curriculum.
 
2013-02-02 07:12:52 PM  

barefoot in the head: eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: eddiesocket:  Another words, "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Sorry buddy, many Christians are awful people. Saying they don't count is not a compelling or convincing argument.

If you don't live it you aren't it, period. Saying you are something is just vibrations in the air.

Which conveniently allows you to say all Christians are great people. Funny how that works out for you.

No it allows me to say what I have said. I will say it once more as clearly as I can. What you say you are means shiat if it is not what you do.


This man is doing and saying exactly what the Bible is telling him to. In fact, the Bible says gays should be put to death, so I guess this guy is not a "true Christian" since he didn't express that desire.
 
2013-02-02 07:19:12 PM  
Did Sweet Cakes owner Aaron Klein violate the law when he told the couple that he couldn't sell them a cake because "they were abominations to the Lord?"

Notice the similar language used?  These guys may be having a bi-coastal, bi-sexual down-low arrangement.
 
2013-02-02 07:20:03 PM  

eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: eddiesocket:  Another words, "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Sorry buddy, many Christians are awful people. Saying they don't count is not a compelling or convincing argument.

If you don't live it you aren't it, period. Saying you are something is just vibrations in the air.

Which conveniently allows you to say all Christians are great people. Funny how that works out for you.

No it allows me to say what I have said. I will say it once more as clearly as I can. What you say you are means shiat if it is not what you do.

This man is doing and saying exactly what the Bible is telling him to. In fact, the Bible says gays should be put to death, so I guess this guy is not a "true Christian" since he didn't express that desire.


What we are discussing is whether the death of Jesus is the basis of "Christian Salvation". The texts that are connected to that topic do not mention "gay" people. Your axe can be thrown away. You are imagining me to be an apologist for ideas I do not even embrace.
 
2013-02-02 07:20:23 PM  
Ugh. I hate having to share a country with these people. Sometimes I almost wish the "revolution" they like to fantasize about WOULD happen, so a few of them could get wiped out by the military.
 
2013-02-02 07:22:11 PM  

gimmegimme: You guys, relax.  This took place in Racist Homophobe class.  It's a state-mandated requirement for graduation in Tennessee that replaced Biology.  The teacher was only following the curriculum.


You must be a product of an AP geography program, since this happened in Alabama and not in Tennessee, but keep up with those witty zingers. Implying educational failure of a state because you're not sharp enough to understand you're in the wrong state doesn't make you look stupid, at all!
 
2013-02-02 07:24:08 PM  

Bender The Offender: gimmegimme: You guys, relax.  This took place in Racist Homophobe class.  It's a state-mandated requirement for graduation in Tennessee that replaced Biology.  The teacher was only following the curriculum.

You must be a product of an AP geography program, since this happened in Alabama and not in Tennessee, but keep up with those witty zingers. Implying educational failure of a state because you're not sharp enough to understand you're in the wrong state doesn't make you look stupid, at all!


Sorry; I saw a ton of ads for Tennessee Valley Housing and was confused.  Way to not address the point, though!
 
2013-02-02 07:25:43 PM  

barefoot in the head: eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: eddiesocket:  Another words, "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Sorry buddy, many Christians are awful people. Saying they don't count is not a compelling or convincing argument.

If you don't live it you aren't it, period. Saying you are something is just vibrations in the air.

Which conveniently allows you to say all Christians are great people. Funny how that works out for you.

No it allows me to say what I have said. I will say it once more as clearly as I can. What you say you are means shiat if it is not what you do.

This man is doing and saying exactly what the Bible is telling him to. In fact, the Bible says gays should be put to death, so I guess this guy is not a "true Christian" since he didn't express that desire.

What we are discussing is whether the death of Jesus is the basis of "Christian Salvation". The texts that are connected to that topic do not mention "gay" people. Your axe can be thrown away. You are imagining me to be an apologist for ideas I do not even embrace.


Actually, we were discussing originally if this guy was a "true" Christian. You seemed to believe not, based on the no true Scotsman fallacy, conveniently ignoring what the Bible has to say on the matter. (You know, that little bit about faith, not deeds, determining if one gets into Heaven).  I thought you were trying to distance yourself from this man's words.  But of course, your use of scare quotes around "gay" reveals you to be no different than he, anyway.
 
2013-02-02 07:29:03 PM  

eddiesocket: This man is doing and saying exactly what the Bible is telling him to. In fact, the Bible says gays should be put to death, so I guess this guy is not a "true Christian" since he didn't express that desire.


Actually, what the New Testament says, repeatedly, both in the words of Jesus directly and then from both Paul and Peter, is that everyone is a sinner and the last thing people needs to be doing is running around accusing one another of being the, "bigger sinner." Instead, humility is advised. So this guy, and all the, "christians," screaming their stupid, malicious heads off about teh gayz are all pretty shiatty Christians, at least when it comes to actually reading the Bible or giving a shiat about what it says.
 
2013-02-02 07:29:39 PM  

gimmegimme: Bender The Offender: gimmegimme: You guys, relax.  This took place in Racist Homophobe class.  It's a state-mandated requirement for graduation in Tennessee that replaced Biology.  The teacher was only following the curriculum.

You must be a product of an AP geography program, since this happened in Alabama and not in Tennessee, but keep up with those witty zingers. Implying educational failure of a state because you're not sharp enough to understand you're in the wrong state doesn't make you look stupid, at all!

Sorry; I saw a ton of ads for Tennessee Valley Housing and was confused.  Way to not address the point, though!


What point were you making? I attended Hume Fogg, we had no classes on "Racist Homphobe". Strangely enough, Vanderbilt never offered me that as an elective either. What TN school did you attend where that class is mandatory?
 
2013-02-02 07:32:31 PM  

Bender The Offender: gimmegimme: Bender The Offender: gimmegimme: You guys, relax.  This took place in Racist Homophobe class.  It's a state-mandated requirement for graduation in Tennessee that replaced Biology.  The teacher was only following the curriculum.

You must be a product of an AP geography program, since this happened in Alabama and not in Tennessee, but keep up with those witty zingers. Implying educational failure of a state because you're not sharp enough to understand you're in the wrong state doesn't make you look stupid, at all!

Sorry; I saw a ton of ads for Tennessee Valley Housing and was confused.  Way to not address the point, though!

What point were you making? I attended Hume Fogg, we had no classes on "Racist Homphobe". Strangely enough, Vanderbilt never offered me that as an elective either. What TN school did you attend where that class is mandatory?


Start here.

Then go here.

You're welcome.
 
2013-02-02 07:34:05 PM  
What are these "kwayers" that he keeps referring to? Some kind of breath mint?
 
2013-02-02 07:42:01 PM  
I don't hate queers, I'm just concerned about what they're doing to our soil

/them and the aliens.
//in it together.
 
2013-02-02 07:44:18 PM  

gimmegimme: Bender The Offender: gimmegimme: Bender The Offender: gimmegimme: You guys, relax.  This took place in Racist Homophobe class.  It's a state-mandated requirement for graduation in Tennessee that replaced Biology.  The teacher was only following the curriculum.

You must be a product of an AP geography program, since this happened in Alabama and not in Tennessee, but keep up with those witty zingers. Implying educational failure of a state because you're not sharp enough to understand you're in the wrong state doesn't make you look stupid, at all!

Sorry; I saw a ton of ads for Tennessee Valley Housing and was confused.  Way to not address the point, though!

What point were you making? I attended Hume Fogg, we had no classes on "Racist Homphobe". Strangely enough, Vanderbilt never offered me that as an elective either. What TN school did you attend where that class is mandatory?

Start here.

Then go here.

You're welcome.


I was just farking with you, lol. Sorry bout that, just bored.
 
2013-02-02 07:47:26 PM  

Bender The Offender: gimmegimme: Bender The Offender: gimmegimme: Bender The Offender: gimmegimme: You guys, relax.  This took place in Racist Homophobe class.  It's a state-mandated requirement for graduation in Tennessee that replaced Biology.  The teacher was only following the curriculum.

You must be a product of an AP geography program, since this happened in Alabama and not in Tennessee, but keep up with those witty zingers. Implying educational failure of a state because you're not sharp enough to understand you're in the wrong state doesn't make you look stupid, at all!

Sorry; I saw a ton of ads for Tennessee Valley Housing and was confused.  Way to not address the point, though!

What point were you making? I attended Hume Fogg, we had no classes on "Racist Homphobe". Strangely enough, Vanderbilt never offered me that as an elective either. What TN school did you attend where that class is mandatory?

Start here.

Then go here.

You're welcome.

I was just farking with you, lol. Sorry bout that, just bored.


Umm...okay!

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2013-02-02 07:55:17 PM  

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: provided it's not deeply offensive

Yup. Nothing offensive about calling the black first lady a fat gorilla and gays an abomination.

Nothing offensive at all.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to defecate on a litter of cute little puppies in front of a girl scout troop.

He didn't call her a gorilla.

Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


Then that would mean that most Americans are blithering, bigoted idiots and even I am not willing to go that far, since Obama *was* re-elected. Let's just say a non-small minority of Americans are blithering, bigoted idiots, mostly confined to a single political ideology and that the Venn diagram of that group would form a single circle with religious asswipes.
 
2013-02-02 07:58:11 PM  

VendorXeno: eddiesocket: This man is doing and saying exactly what the Bible is telling him to. In fact, the Bible says gays should be put to death, so I guess this guy is not a "true Christian" since he didn't express that desire.

Actually, what the New Testament says, repeatedly, both in the words of Jesus directly and then from both Paul and Peter, is that everyone is a sinner and the last thing people needs to be doing is running around accusing one another of being the, "bigger sinner." Instead, humility is advised. So this guy, and all the, "christians," screaming their stupid, malicious heads off about teh gayz are all pretty shiatty Christians, at least when it comes to actually reading the Bible or giving a shiat about what it says.


I'm not interested in whether "true" Christians believe being gay is a super-duper sin or just a regular sin. Calling the way I was born a sin at all is ridiculous to me. My main observation was just that many Christians site the "abomination" verse from Leviticus to justify their anti-gay rhetoric, but very few have the balls to finish the verse: they shall be put to death. It's a tacit admission that even they think the Bible goes too far.
 
2013-02-02 08:02:52 PM  

BSABSVR: It's really very simple.

Not gay:
- Sodomizing JV players with a broom stick
- Playing soggy biscuit
- Competing to see who can cram the most bing cherries up his ass
-  Slapping erections together until someone cries uncle

Gay:
- Two dudes kissing

- Cooking
- Acting
- Dressing nicely
- Tennis
- Mixed drinks
- Wine
- Microbeer
- Tennis
- Reading
- etc., etc., etc.

FTFY
 
2013-02-02 08:11:38 PM  

barefoot in the head: jso2897: barefoot in the head: King Something: PreMortem: So much hate from the Christians, who really aren't.

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/anyone who self-identifies as a Christian is a Christian, even Mormons
//they may not necessarily be  good Christians, but they are Christians

All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn. "Identifies" means nothing. "Lives as" defines everything.

Maybe if it's a real thing, that has actual, concretely defined qualifications. The term "Christian" is not a real thing, in that sense.
You can say that Fred Phelps isn't a "real Christian" - but you can't prove it. That I am not an airline pilot, on the other hand, could be easily (if expensively) proven.

I certainly can and so can you. Just read the texts.


Why would words on paper, written by men, and utterly unsupported by any independent fact provide me with any such "proof"? I can write up a set of subjective requirements for being anything - doesn't mean it carries any weight - you seem to be unable to distinguish conceptually between facts and unsupported bare assertions - which is all you or "the texts" have to offer. You say that a person who self-identifies as a Christian isn't one - but you can't tell me why not in real world terms.
Sorry, pal - the Pope, Fred Phelps, Tim Tebow - all Christians, distasteful though you may find it. My definition of a Christian is somebody who says they are one, because it is the only qualification that can be factually determined - anything else is pure conjecture and whim. You see, I can actually walk up to a person and hear them say whether or not they are a Christian. I cannot look into someones heart and determine whether some arbitrarily determined spiritual factor applies to them, or even what the qualifying factors for being "Christian" are.
So I'll stick with my definition, and you can stick with your - well it doesn't qualify as a definition - we'll just call it that thing you have in your head. Different strokes for different folks.
 
2013-02-02 08:12:47 PM  
Is this where I go to accuse a guy of being the very thing he hates? Even though being gay is NTTAWWT and making fun of someone for being gay is the kind of thing only a douche would do?
 
2013-02-02 08:13:15 PM  
"No, it ain't gone get no better until things change."

It's  goin'. If you"re gone to supply a transcript, at least be familiar with the vernacular.
 
2013-02-02 08:25:07 PM  

Kimothy: Stinkyy: [horrible comic book]

What the Fark? People really read that crap and believe it?

Oh my.


In elementary school (rural Ky, 1960s), one of my teachers handed out Chick tracts (that's what the horrible comic is called) to her class. I don't remember which ones, but it was some age-appropriate topic like, "if you cheat on a test you will burn in Hell-fire for all eternity!"

Some people not only read and believe it, they think they're earning "witnessing" points in Heaven for pushing them on innocent bystanders.
 
2013-02-02 08:34:51 PM  
How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?
 
2013-02-02 08:41:39 PM  

LDM90: Is this where I go to accuse a guy of being the very thing he hates? Even though being gay is NTTAWWT and making fun of someone for being gay is the kind of thing only a douche would do?


I don't think people ridicule closeted homophobes for being gay - I suspect they are more contemptuous of their hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is not a character aspect people tend to think highly of.
 
2013-02-02 08:43:42 PM  

nickdaisy: FloydA: nickdaisy:
Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


You have been misinformed.

I stand corrected. But it's fair to say homosexuality is not widely accepted. And I'd wager that graph would look different for Alabama only. And since, as we can all agree, the federal government had no mandate to preach morality....

I'm just saying can't we let idiots be idiots? Does every single stupid comment have to result in a societal "teachable moment?"

It's friggin impossible to say anything anymore without someone running to a legislature or higher civil authority to seek help. If someone disagrees with the guy, how about just telling the guy he's a douche and moving on?

That's why I think his comment about telling the school board was spot on. Every single transgression these days has to be brought to the attention of some level of government. We are becoming reliant on the man.

Discuss.


Sure. A teacher who expresses hate of any minority in the classroom should not be in the classroom. Your pathetic comment on too much political correctness doesn't apply. The teacher was wrong period because his behavior isn't acceptable in any workplace. Personally, I'd like to kick his ignorant ass. But I have to maintain civility to not do anything illegal. I don't put up with such at work nor in public schools.

My discussion is done with you, asshat.
 
2013-02-02 08:47:34 PM  

atomicmask: How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?


I don't know about that. I have never thought of "free speech" as meaning that I can say anything I want, any time I want, to anyone I choose without consequence. As a drunk in a bar, I might feel free to say things that i wouldn't feel free to say as a teacher in a classroom - where I'm supposed to be the adult in the room. Would you, as a school administrator, place other peoples kids under the tutelage of an immature, loudmouthed asshole? I wouldn't. I think teachers are supposed to set a better example - and the content of his "views" isn't even relevant.
 
2013-02-02 08:51:06 PM  

jso2897: atomicmask: How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?

I don't know about that. I have never thought of "free speech" as meaning that I can say anything I want, any time I want, to anyone I choose without consequence. As a drunk in a bar, I might feel free to say things that i wouldn't feel free to say as a teacher in a classroom - where I'm supposed to be the adult in the room. Would you, as a school administrator, place other peoples kids under the tutelage of an immature, loudmouthed asshole? I wouldn't. I think teachers are supposed to set a better example - and the content of his "views" isn't even relevant.


How are you to judge if this man is immature or not based on a few comments? His political beliefs and religious beliefs are no less mature then yours. He said he didn't approve of gays and think its a sin in what sounds like a lax discussion. He said michelle obamas food plan was shiatty and she is fat. What did he say that was exactly worthy of losing his job over? This reeks of popular opinion demanding silence of unpopular opinion.
 
2013-02-02 08:55:30 PM  

atomicmask: How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?


The Government is not throwing him in jail for saying what he did. However, the First Amendment does not protect you from professional consequences OR personal ridicule for stating your opinions on the matter.

His rights are not being infringed for being an idiot.
 
2013-02-02 08:59:43 PM  

atomicmask: jso2897: atomicmask: How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?

I don't know about that. I have never thought of "free speech" as meaning that I can say anything I want, any time I want, to anyone I choose without consequence. As a drunk in a bar, I might feel free to say things that i wouldn't feel free to say as a teacher in a classroom - where I'm supposed to be the adult in the room. Would you, as a school administrator, place other peoples kids under the tutelage of an immature, loudmouthed asshole? I wouldn't. I think teachers are supposed to set a better example - and the content of his "views" isn't even relevant.

How are you to judge if this man is immature or not based on a few comments? His political beliefs and religious beliefs are no less mature then yours. He said he didn't approve of gays and think its a sin in what sounds like a lax discussion. He said michelle obamas food plan was shiatty and she is fat. What did he say that was exactly worthy of losing his job over? This reeks of popular opinion demanding silence of unpopular opinion.


I'm not concerned about his beliefs, I (if I were his boss) would be concerned about the context and manner in which he expressed them. And I am well within my rights to adjudge anyone who talks that way in frontt of his students as displaying immaturity.  I read the transcript of the conversation - and there was no functioning adult in that room - and the adult in the room is what a teacher is supposed to be.
And the particular views he was expressing are irrelevant to me - my criticism of his behavior has nothing to do with ideology. I know you WANT it to be a bunch of mean, intolerant liberals attacking someone for their "unpopular" views - but it's just a bunch of responsible adults deploring this man's asinine behavior in front of his pupils. I would feel exactly the same way if he had been ranting about Ann Romney's fat ass, or how much he hated "rednecks".
Not that this will stop you from simply repeating the same allegations.
 
2013-02-02 09:23:56 PM  

atomicmask: How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?


8/10.  You caught a few.
 
2013-02-02 09:25:29 PM  

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Twiggy's ass would look huge next to those two women on the left in the stair shot. They are both at least as tall as MO who is just under six feet and the two of them are model proportions.

Nice shoes on the one on the right by the way.
 
2013-02-02 09:27:02 PM  

BronyMedic: atomicmask: How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?

The Government is not throwing him in jail for saying what he did. However, the First Amendment does not protect you from professional consequences OR personal ridicule for stating your opinions on the matter.

His rights are not being infringed for being an idiot.


This stellar article doesn't indicate what class he "teaches."  If the class is "Stupid Bigotry 101," then we should have no beef with him.  If the class is "Government" or "Current Events" or something, then he probably should suffer consequences for sounding like a dick.
 
2013-02-02 09:34:04 PM  
Free (and accurate) speech.  Dumbass tag obviously for student.
 
2013-02-02 09:37:56 PM  

armoredbulldozer: Free (and accurate) speech.  Dumbass tag obviously for student.


Derr to the what?  Derr to the P.

T to the what?  It's a T to the R olll.
 
2013-02-02 09:39:30 PM  

jso2897: atomicmask: jso2897: atomicmask: How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?

I don't know about that. I have never thought of "free speech" as meaning that I can say anything I want, any time I want, to anyone I choose without consequence. As a drunk in a bar, I might feel free to say things that i wouldn't feel free to say as a teacher in a classroom - where I'm supposed to be the adult in the room. Would you, as a school administrator, place other peoples kids under the tutelage of an immature, loudmouthed asshole? I wouldn't. I think teachers are supposed to set a better example - and the content of his "views" isn't even relevant.

How are you to judge if this man is immature or not based on a few comments? His political beliefs and religious beliefs are no less mature then yours. He said he didn't approve of gays and think its a sin in what sounds like a lax discussion. He said michelle obamas food plan was shiatty and she is fat. What did he say that was exactly worthy of losing his job over? This reeks of popular opinion demanding silence of unpopular opinion.

I'm not concerned about his beliefs, I (if I were his boss) would be concerned about the context and manner in which he expressed them. And I am well within my rights to adjudge anyone who talks that way in frontt of his students as displaying immaturity.  I read the transcript of the conversation - and there was no functioning adult in that room - and the adult in the room is what a teacher is supposed to be.
And the ...


I agree with you, really, so the guy decides to rant like a crazy homeless person sure that's okay but he's in charge of kids in a school. It doesn't mater what he's ranting about it maters that he's ranting. I know my brother hasn't been taking his med's when he start's ranting about China and other things, thank goodness he's not a teacher.
 
2013-02-02 09:43:43 PM  

Mentat: atomicmask: How dare he have an opinion other then the accepted pro-gay/transgender positive outlook! FIRE HIM, RUIN HIS LIFE, DO NOT LET HIM SPEAK ANYTHING!

I notice that a lot of people love to string these people up for saying something they dislike, but scream about freedom of speech when it comes to their own thoughts and ideas. So this guy said queer? He said he didn't like queers? Who cares, he has a right to dislike and like whatever he wants. He said Michelle obama is fat? OH NO! Thought crime! Time for re-education right everybody?

8/10.  You caught a few.


atomicmask is not a troll. He's a Free Republic commenter that got lost on the way to that website. This is a man who defended the use of chemical weapons against Syrians because they're arabs/mooslems.
 
2013-02-02 09:46:47 PM  
Maybe I'm just old fashioned. When I was in high school, if I had ever gotten up in class and discussed Ladybird Johnson or Pat Nixon's "fat ass", or referred to some group of people as queers, or kikes, or beaners or whatever....well, I don't even know what would have happened, and don't want to think about it.
And a <i>teacher</i>?? It would have been their last day in any classroom in the LAUSD. There was a certain decorum expected in a classroom setting, and it went double for the teachers - who were expected to be role models, and set good examples. That people are defending this immature fool's inappropriate behavior just because they find his so-called "opinions" to their liking kind of shocks me. If this is what's going on in the schools these days, it makes me that much gladder my kids are grown and out of school now.
My lawn. Get off it.
 
2013-02-02 09:48:55 PM  

jso2897: Maybe I'm just old fashioned. When I was in high school, if I had ever gotten up in class and discussed Ladybird Johnson or Pat Nixon's "fat ass", or referred to some group of people as queers, or kikes, or beaners or whatever....well, I don't even know what would have happened, and don't want to think about it.
And a <i>teacher</i>?? It would have been their last day in any classroom in the LAUSD. There was a certain decorum expected in a classroom setting, and it went double for the teachers - who were expected to be role models, and set good examples. That people are defending this immature fool's inappropriate behavior just because they find his so-called "opinions" to their liking kind of shocks me. If this is what's going on in the schools these days, it makes me that much gladder my kids are grown and out of school now.
My lawn. Get off it.


Stop being old, old man.  Ever since January 20, 2009 at around noon, it's okay to sound like a first-grader when talking politics.

[Note: this license ends at noon on the day a Republican President is sworn in.]
 
2013-02-02 09:50:50 PM  

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: provided it's not deeply offensive

Yup. Nothing offensive about calling the black first lady a fat gorilla and gays an abomination.

Nothing offensive at all.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to defecate on a litter of cute little puppies in front of a girl scout troop.

He didn't call her a gorilla.

Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


Potato/10
 
2013-02-02 09:52:24 PM  
I can't figure out what this guy was teaching. What part of the curriculum is "I Hate Queers"?

No wonder our youth are falling behind all other countries in academics. Stick to the three R's - Reading, Riting and Rithmatic.
 
2013-02-02 09:55:37 PM  

gimmegimme: jso2897: Maybe I'm just old fashioned. When I was in high school, if I had ever gotten up in class and discussed Ladybird Johnson or Pat Nixon's "fat ass", or referred to some group of people as queers, or kikes, or beaners or whatever....well, I don't even know what would have happened, and don't want to think about it.
And a <i>teacher</i>?? It would have been their last day in any classroom in the LAUSD. There was a certain decorum expected in a classroom setting, and it went double for the teachers - who were expected to be role models, and set good examples. That people are defending this immature fool's inappropriate behavior just because they find his so-called "opinions" to their liking kind of shocks me. If this is what's going on in the schools these days, it makes me that much gladder my kids are grown and out of school now.
My lawn. Get off it.

Stop being old, old man.  Ever since January 20, 2009 at around noon, it's okay to sound like a first-grader when talking politics.

[Note: this license ends at noon on the day a Republican President is sworn in.]


But...it IS ok to sound like a first grader when talking politics - here on Fark. Or in a bar.Or when hanging out with one's loutish buddies on the street corner. But a TEACHER? In a CLASSROOM? I don't care what your politics are - when you are supposed to be the adult in a roomfull of kids, you don't express those views in vulgarisms and slurs.
The actual "views" expressed don't even matter.
Am I wrong? Should I not be thinking this? Is this actually what people want teaching their children?
I don't get it.
 
2013-02-02 09:55:58 PM  

Max Awesome: I can't figure out what this guy was teaching. What part of the curriculum is "I Hate Queers"?

No wonder our youth are falling behind all other countries in academics. Stick to the three R's - Reading, Riting and Rithmatic.


Duh.  What about "Rethods by which you get AIDS," "Roverweight First Lady asses" and "Rallowing students to call a black person a gorilla without saying something about how racist they sound"?

Why are you part of the problem?
 
2013-02-02 10:02:01 PM  

jso2897: Maybe I'm just old fashioned. When I was in high school, if I had ever gotten up in class and discussed Ladybird Johnson or Pat Nixon's "fat ass", or referred to some group of people as queers, or kikes, or beaners or whatever....well, I don't even know what would have happened, and don't want to think about it.
And a <i>teacher</i>?? It would have been their last day in any classroom in the LAUSD. There was a certain decorum expected in a classroom setting, and it went double for the teachers - who were expected to be role models, and set good examples. That people are defending this immature fool's inappropriate behavior just because they find his so-called "opinions" to their liking kind of shocks me. If this is what's going on in the schools these days, it makes me that much gladder my kids are grown and out of school now.
My lawn. Get off it.


Yea, but that was back in the cops wore shiny black shoes and ties, now they wear combat boot's and BDU's , and pharmacist just dispensed drugs without moral objections as long as there was a prescription. Granted if a boy let their hair grow long his classmates would beat him up and shave his head but yea those were the days : )
 
2013-02-02 10:02:47 PM  

jso2897: gimmegimme: jso2897: Maybe I'm just old fashioned. When I was in high school, if I had ever gotten up in class and discussed Ladybird Johnson or Pat Nixon's "fat ass", or referred to some group of people as queers, or kikes, or beaners or whatever....well, I don't even know what would have happened, and don't want to think about it.
And a <i>teacher</i>?? It would have been their last day in any classroom in the LAUSD. There was a certain decorum expected in a classroom setting, and it went double for the teachers - who were expected to be role models, and set good examples. That people are defending this immature fool's inappropriate behavior just because they find his so-called "opinions" to their liking kind of shocks me. If this is what's going on in the schools these days, it makes me that much gladder my kids are grown and out of school now.
My lawn. Get off it.

Stop being old, old man.  Ever since January 20, 2009 at around noon, it's okay to sound like a first-grader when talking politics.

[Note: this license ends at noon on the day a Republican President is sworn in.]

But...it IS ok to sound like a first grader when talking politics - here on Fark. Or in a bar.Or when hanging out with one's loutish buddies on the street corner. But a TEACHER? In a CLASSROOM? I don't care what your politics are - when you are supposed to be the adult in a roomfull of kids, you don't express those views in vulgarisms and slurs.
The actual "views" expressed don't even matter.
Am I wrong? Should I not be thinking this? Is this actually what people want teaching their children?
I don't get it.


Sorry I wasn't clear enough, apparently.  I was kidding.  My biggest "joke" was that the license to criticize ended when President Obama was sworn in.
 
2013-02-02 10:10:30 PM  

jso2897: LDM90: Is this where I go to accuse a guy of being the very thing he hates? Even though being gay is NTTAWWT and making fun of someone for being gay is the kind of thing only a douche would do?

I don't think people ridicule closeted homophobes for being gay - I suspect they are more contemptuous of their hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is not a character aspect people tend to think highly of.


The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.
 
2013-02-02 10:16:12 PM  

Stinkyy: [media.chick.com image 458x235]


Wait, is this supposed to be serious? It's not some satire on how out of touch some Christians are with the book they are supposed to preach?

Conservative humour fails again.

/I attend church once a year, use the Lord's name in vein on a regular basis, and I am still more of a Christian than this sack of shiat
//No True Scotsman, ya ya, I know
 
2013-02-02 10:18:23 PM  

eddiesocket: The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.


You say not supported by facts?

Yeah.

Not so much.

Homophobia, for the most part, has it's roots in psychological projection.
 
2013-02-02 10:22:15 PM  

BronyMedic: eddiesocket: The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.

You say not supported by facts?

Yeah.

Not so much.

Homophobia, for the most part, has it's roots in psychological projection.


Seriously?  I'm 100% straight hetero, bro, but I think about gay dudes all the time.  They're all looking at me.  Staring at my ass.  Thinking about my sphincter.  They're all thinking about what it would be like to have sex with me.  They'd hold me down and kiss me in my ear and tell me it's okay...

But it wouldn't be okay.  Because gay stuff is wrong!

See?  Only gay dudes ever think about gay stuff and I don't.  Ever.  Just like this high school teacher.
 
2013-02-02 10:23:35 PM  

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We still trying to pass off photoshops as real pictures?
 
2013-02-02 10:26:54 PM  

eddiesocket: jso2897: LDM90: Is this where I go to accuse a guy of being the very thing he hates? Even though being gay is NTTAWWT and making fun of someone for being gay is the kind of thing only a douche would do?

I don't think people ridicule closeted homophobes for being gay - I suspect they are more contemptuous of their hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is not a character aspect people tend to think highly of.

The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.


That might very well be true - I'm only saying what I suspect is in people's minds when they say those things. It doesn't involve me either way. I don't say those things, because I don't care what people's motivations are - i just care how they actually behave.
 
2013-02-02 10:34:28 PM  

BronyMedic: eddiesocket: The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.

You say not supported by facts?

Yeah.

Not so much.

Homophobia, for the most part, has it's roots in psychological projection.


Um....just because most closeted gay people are homophobic doesn't mean most homophobes are closeted gays. I mean, there's six billion people in the world. I think it's fair--more than fair--in fact, an extremely conservative estimate to say that 1/3 of them think homosexuality is disgusting, a sin,, etc. So that means there are 2 billion closeted gays out there, including basically all of our grandparents? Does that seem logical? Or even half that number? Or even a quarter that number?  500,000 million closeted self-loathing gays?  And that's 25% of 33% and still seems ludicrously high.
It's a weird--perhaps well-meaning--but insidious form of anti-gay rhetoric to say "we straights are blameless. This is gay on gay hate".
 
2013-02-02 10:39:15 PM  

eddiesocket: It's a weird--perhaps well-meaning--but insidious form of anti-gay rhetoric to say "we straights are blameless. This is gay on gay hate".


I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?
 
2013-02-02 10:39:35 PM  
Dude's right.  Michelle does have a fat ass.
 
2013-02-02 10:42:58 PM  

eddiesocket: BronyMedic: eddiesocket: The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.

You say not supported by facts?

Yeah.

Not so much.

Homophobia, for the most part, has it's roots in psychological projection.

Um....just because most closeted gay people are homophobic doesn't mean most homophobes are closeted gays. I mean, there's six billion people in the world. I think it's fair--more than fair--in fact, an extremely conservative estimate to say that 1/3 of them think homosexuality is disgusting, a sin,, etc. So that means there are 2 billion closeted gays out there, including basically all of our grandparents? Does that seem logical? Or even half that number? Or even a quarter that number?  500,000 million closeted self-loathing gays?  And that's 25% of 33% and still seems ludicrously high.
It's a weird--perhaps well-meaning--but insidious form of anti-gay rhetoric to say "we straights are blameless. This is gay on gay hate".


You guys are talking about two different things - you are talking about "homophobia" in the common parlance today - referring to people who dislike or are bigoted toward homosexuals. He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.
 
2013-02-02 10:55:39 PM  

jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.


Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?


If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.
 
2013-02-02 11:10:47 PM  

BronyMedic: I love it when the area I grew up in makes a FARK news story.




You mean the area you escaped from.
 
2013-02-02 11:20:53 PM  

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We still trying to pass off photoshops as real pictures?



Sorry . . . was looking at dem asses, not dem pixels.

By the way, since you noticed, I have some bad news for you.


/ or maybe it's good news.
// nttawwt
/// unless you're the jackass in TFA
 
2013-02-02 11:21:47 PM  
The lost Chick tract: Lisa.

The version by Alice Donut.
 
2013-02-02 11:26:05 PM  

eddiesocket: jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.

Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?

If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.


I believe that a "statistically significant", in your words, portion of them are. Especially given my personal experience with homophobic individuals.
 
2013-02-02 11:30:17 PM  

BronyMedic: eddiesocket: jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.

Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?

If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.

I believe that a "statistically significant", in your words, portion of them are. Especially given my personal experience with homophobic individuals.


No evidence like anecdotal evidence, eh? So what percentage do you think is statistically significant? How many hundreds of millions of closeted gays do you think are out there?
 
2013-02-02 11:31:01 PM  

BronyMedic: eddiesocket: jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.

Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?

If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.

I believe that a "statistically significant", in your words, portion of them are. Especially given my personal experience with homophobic individuals.


I have to agree.  When I ask for objections to gay marriage or gays in the military, the answers often descend into extremely detailed homosexual fantasies.  As a straight male, I have never done that much thought about the possibility of homosexual lovemaking.

You see, if there are gays in the military, they're gonna come up behind you in the tend.  They'll do butterfly kisses on your ear and tell you it's gonna be okay.  Their hands trace over your ripped chest and you don't know what's going on, but you don't stop it...
 
2013-02-02 11:42:29 PM  

eddiesocket: jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.

Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?

If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.


I wasn't suggesting that the coach suffers from clinical homophobia. It's not a common condition. His dislike of homosexuals does not necessarily translate to clinical homophobia - likely not. He's just a jerk who shouldn't be teaching kids, IMHO. Again - I don't care about people's motivations - I care how they actually behave.
 
2013-02-02 11:47:37 PM  

jso2897: eddiesocket: jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.

Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?

If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.

I wasn't suggesting that the coach suffers from clinical homophobia. It's not a common condition. His dislike of homosexuals does not necessarily translate to clinical homophobia - likely not. He's just a jerk who shouldn't be teaching kids, IMHO. Again - I don't care about people's motivations - I care how they actually behave.


Are you saying that there aren't lots of cases of people who speak out against gay people actually being homosexual?

2.bp.blogspot.com

Seriously, dude?

25.media.tumblr.com

Come on, nah.
 
2013-02-02 11:48:07 PM  

Repo Man: The lost Chick tract: Lisa.

The version by Alice Donut.


OMG, wow...
 
2013-02-03 12:01:58 AM  

ChrisDe: GreatGlavinsGhost: So, how long before this guy gets caught doing what he professes to hate so much?

Methinks doth protest too much


This. He doesn't like Mrs. Obama's womanly curves (cue datass.jpg) and is clearly homophobic. If this guy is straight, so is George Takei.
 
2013-02-03 12:02:55 AM  

gimmegimme: jso2897: eddiesocket: jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.

Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?

If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.

I wasn't suggesting that the coach suffers from clinical homophobia. It's not a common condition. His dislike of homosexuals does not necessarily translate to clinical homophobia - likely not. He's just a jerk who shouldn't be teaching kids, IMHO. Again - I don't care about people's motivations - I care how they actually behave.

Are you saying that there aren't lots of cases of people who speak out against gay people actually being homosexual?

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Seriously, dude?

[25.media.tumblr.com image 250x293]

Come on, nah.


I don't know how many "lots" are. i know that true, clinical homophobia is a rare and serious mental disorder, and that most hostility towards homosexuals is cultural, social or religious - not rooted in clinical homophobia. Of course, most closeted homosexuals don't suffer from homophobia either. So  i would not conclude that most hostility toward homosexuals is based on suppressed homosexuality. A lot of the time, people believe dumb things because they were taught them, or just don't know any better. Attempting to explain all human assholery in clinical terms is a rathole I climbed out of a long time ago - human ignorance and cussedness is more than sufficient to explain most jerky behavior. Most jerks aren't sick - they're just jerks.
 
2013-02-03 12:03:37 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Repo Man: The lost Chick tract: Lisa.

The version by Alice Donut.

OMG, wow...




I heard that Alice Donut song on college radio many years ago, and I assumed that it was "inspired by" a Chick tract. I had seen Chick's Tracts before, and the song seemed like a parody of one, rather than an actual one. A few years ago I discovered that I was wrong, and the song was really just a Chick Tract put to music. Wow is right.
 
2013-02-03 12:09:27 AM  

jso2897: gimmegimme: jso2897: eddiesocket: jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.

Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?

If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.

I wasn't suggesting that the coach suffers from clinical homophobia. It's not a common condition. His dislike of homosexuals does not necessarily translate to clinical homophobia - likely not. He's just a jerk who shouldn't be teaching kids, IMHO. Again - I don't care about people's motivations - I care how they actually behave.

Are you saying that there aren't lots of cases of people who speak out against gay people actually being homosexual?

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Seriously, dude?

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Come on, nah.

I don't know how many "lots" are. i know that true, clinical homophobia is a rare and serious mental disorder, and that most hostility towards homosexuals is cultural, social or religious - not rooted in clinical homophobia. Of course, most closeted homosexuals don't suffer from homophobia either. So  i would not conclude that most hostility toward homosexuals is based on suppressed homosexuality. A lot of the time, people believe dumb things because they were taught them, or just don't know any better. Attempting to explain all human assholery in clinical terms is a rathole I climbed out of a long time ago - human ignorance and cussedness is more than sufficient to explain most jerky behavior. Most jerks aren't sic ...


Well, it seems we pretty much agree.  I think we differ with respect to the percentage of anti-gay self-loathing homosexuals.  I'm just saying that "a significant percentage" of these anti-gay folks have sublimated homosexual urges.   I feel it's safe to say that most heterosexuals are too busy thinking about having heterosexual sex to care what gay people want to do in bed.

You'll agree, I'm sure, that folks who spend a lot of time contemplating gay sex are either gay or in need of some soul searching.
 
2013-02-03 12:10:06 AM  
Improvement?

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2013-02-03 12:15:15 AM  

nmemkha: Improvement?

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Michelle Obama kill count: 0

Laura Bush kill count: 1

So...yeah.  Improvement.
 
2013-02-03 12:17:57 AM  

jso2897: I don't know how many "lots" are. i know that true, clinical homophobia is a rare and serious mental disorder, and that most hostility towards homosexuals is cultural, social or religious - not rooted in clinical homophobia. Of course, most closeted homosexuals don't suffer from homophobia either. So  i would not conclude that most hostility toward homosexuals is based on suppressed homosexuality. A lot of the time, people believe dumb things because they were taught them, or just don't know any better. Attempting to explain all human assholery in clinical terms is a rathole I climbed out of a long time ago - human ignorance and cussedness is more than sufficient to explain most jerky behavior. Most jerks aren't sick - they're just jerks.


Thank you.

gimmegimme: I think we differ with respect to the percentage of anti-gay self-loathing homosexuals.  I'm just saying that "a significant percentage" of these anti-gay folks have sublimated homosexual urges.   I feel it's safe to say that most heterosexuals are too busy thinking about having heterosexual sex to care what gay people want to do in bed.


Why do you feel that's "safe to say"? Where are your stats? How many billions of closeted self-loathing queers do you think are out there? Have you really thought this through, or does it just make you feel better to think of homophobia as a gay problem?
 
2013-02-03 12:21:24 AM  

eddiesocket: Why do you feel that's "safe to say"? Where are your stats? How many billions of closeted self-loathing queers do you think are out there? Have you really thought this through, or does it just make you feel better to think of homophobia as a gay problem?


I'm saying that self-loathing anti-gay feelings are not frequent among folks who are comfortably straight or comfortably homosexual.  (In case the thread hasn't made it clear, I'm 100% an ally of gay folks.)
 
2013-02-03 12:24:27 AM  

gimmegimme: eddiesocket: Why do you feel that's "safe to say"? Where are your stats? How many billions of closeted self-loathing queers do you think are out there? Have you really thought this through, or does it just make you feel better to think of homophobia as a gay problem?

I'm saying that self-loathing anti-gay feelings are not frequent among folks who are comfortably straight or comfortably homosexual.  (In case the thread hasn't made it clear, I'm 100% an ally of gay folks.)


So given that there are literally billions of homophobes out there, what percentage of those do you think are secretly gay?
 
2013-02-03 12:27:18 AM  

eddiesocket: gimmegimme: eddiesocket: Why do you feel that's "safe to say"? Where are your stats? How many billions of closeted self-loathing queers do you think are out there? Have you really thought this through, or does it just make you feel better to think of homophobia as a gay problem?

I'm saying that self-loathing anti-gay feelings are not frequent among folks who are comfortably straight or comfortably homosexual.  (In case the thread hasn't made it clear, I'm 100% an ally of gay folks.)

So given that there are literally billions of homophobes out there, what percentage of those do you think are secretly gay?


Jesus.  I'm saying that those who put a significant amount of thought into their anti-gay policies have a higher chance of being gay because straight dudes generally spend that energy trying to figure out how to have sex with women.  Can you really disagree with that?  Here's what I've been thinking about this evening when I wasn't responding to you:

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2013-02-03 12:27:21 AM  

gimmegimme: jso2897: gimmegimme: jso2897: eddiesocket: jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.

Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?

If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.

I wasn't suggesting that the coach suffers from clinical homophobia. It's not a common condition. His dislike of homosexuals does not necessarily translate to clinical homophobia - likely not. He's just a jerk who shouldn't be teaching kids, IMHO. Again - I don't care about people's motivations - I care how they actually behave.

Are you saying that there aren't lots of cases of people who speak out against gay people actually being homosexual?

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Seriously, dude?

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Come on, nah.

I don't know how many "lots" are. i know that true, clinical homophobia is a rare and serious mental disorder, and that most hostility towards homosexuals is cultural, social or religious - not rooted in clinical homophobia. Of course, most closeted homosexuals don't suffer from homophobia either. So  i would not conclude that most hostility toward homosexuals is based on suppressed homosexuality. A lot of the time, people believe dumb things because they were taught them, or just don't know any better. Attempting to explain all human assholery in clinical terms is a rathole I climbed out of a long time ago - human ignorance and cussedness is more than sufficient to explain most jerky behavior. Most jerks a ...


Well, now you're getting into what I don't think about much - people's motivations. I care HOW people act - not why. This sorry excuse for a teacher , in a classroom, in front of his students, made vulgar and inappropriate comments about the First Lady, and repeatedly referred to a group of people by a slur. it doesn't matter whether the First lady in question was Michelle Obama or Nancy Reagan, or whether the group in question were gays, blacks, or white southern baptists. It's not how a mentor figure, who is supposed to be the adult in the room, is supposed to conduct himself. I don't care WHY he beghaved that way. I care THAT he behaved that way. And if I were his boss, he'd be looking for another job.
 
2013-02-03 12:34:21 AM  

jso2897: gimmegimme: jso2897: gimmegimme: jso2897: eddiesocket: jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.

Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?

If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.

I wasn't suggesting that the coach suffers from clinical homophobia. It's not a common condition. His dislike of homosexuals does not necessarily translate to clinical homophobia - likely not. He's just a jerk who shouldn't be teaching kids, IMHO. Again - I don't care about people's motivations - I care how they actually behave.

Are you saying that there aren't lots of cases of people who speak out against gay people actually being homosexual?

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Seriously, dude?

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Come on, nah.

I don't know how many "lots" are. i know that true, clinical homophobia is a rare and serious mental disorder, and that most hostility towards homosexuals is cultural, social or religious - not rooted in clinical homophobia. Of course, most closeted homosexuals don't suffer from homophobia either. So  i would not conclude that most hostility toward homosexuals is based on suppressed homosexuality. A lot of the time, people believe dumb things because they were taught them, or just don't know any better. Attempting to explain all human assholery in clinical terms is a rathole I climbed out of a long time ago - human ignorance and cussedness is more than sufficient to explain most jerky behavior. ...


I dunno if or how you're responding to me, but I agree.  A high school teacher (depending on the subject) may express these kinds of opinions from time to time, but it's part of their job not to be a dick and to make it clear they don't think certain kinds of people are subhumans.  A teacher shouldn't (seemingly in this case) push away gay students and students who don't hate gay people.  And the grades a teacher gives certainly shouldn't reflect their political opinions alone.
 
2013-02-03 12:37:09 AM  

gimmegimme: Jesus.  I'm saying that those who put a significant amount of thought into their anti-gay policies have a higher chance of being gay because straight dudes generally spend that energy trying to figure out how to have sex with women.  Can you really disagree with that?  Here's what I've been thinking about this evening when I wasn't responding to you:


That doesn't seem to be at all what you were saying. You seemed to be saying that most homophobes are gay. I'm pretty sure that's what you were saying. But no, I can't deny that most fixated, rabidly anti-gay people probably are closeted or have issues with women. But I do think that when someone like Rick Santorum (almost certainly not gay) says "marriage should be between a man and a woman" and good liberals say "LOL whatever closet case!", the result is that Rick Santorum has it confirmed in his mind that even the liberals know "gay" is an insult. Even the gay liberals know it.

/As an aside, it's kind of hilarious you posted Mila Kunis, as I've made it known to friends that that's the one girl I'd consider switching for.
 
2013-02-03 12:44:07 AM  

gimmegimme: jso2897: gimmegimme: jso2897: gimmegimme: jso2897: eddiesocket: jso2897: He is talking about actual, clinical homophobia -  a relatively rare and very grave mental disorder. And he is correct in stating that it is almost always related to suppressed homosexual desires.

Doesn't seem like that's what he's talking about. And this Coach? He has a rare, serious mental disorder because he said "I don't like queers"?  I doubt it. That seems to describe my definition of homophobia, not yours.

BronyMedic: I don't think I said that in any form or fashion. You're talking to an openly bisexual male, by the way, so why on earth would I even try to infer that?

If you believe most homophobes are secretly gay, then that's exactly what you're implying.

I wasn't suggesting that the coach suffers from clinical homophobia. It's not a common condition. His dislike of homosexuals does not necessarily translate to clinical homophobia - likely not. He's just a jerk who shouldn't be teaching kids, IMHO. Again - I don't care about people's motivations - I care how they actually behave.

Are you saying that there aren't lots of cases of people who speak out against gay people actually being homosexual?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 413x310]

Seriously, dude?

[25.media.tumblr.com image 250x293]

Come on, nah.

I don't know how many "lots" are. i know that true, clinical homophobia is a rare and serious mental disorder, and that most hostility towards homosexuals is cultural, social or religious - not rooted in clinical homophobia. Of course, most closeted homosexuals don't suffer from homophobia either. So  i would not conclude that most hostility toward homosexuals is based on suppressed homosexuality. A lot of the time, people believe dumb things because they were taught them, or just don't know any better. Attempting to explain all human assholery in clinical terms is a rathole I climbed out of a long time ago - human ignorance and cussedness is more than sufficient to explain most jerky b ...


Yeah, I was responding to you - I am having some trouble with this new format. While I agree with you that bigotry is out of place in the classroom, I also feel that ANY view, expressed in that manner, is not a good example for an educator to be setting. Had he been expressing a view I am totally in agreement with, I still would regard his manner of expressing himself inappropriate for a teacher in a classroom.
 
2013-02-03 12:51:51 AM  

eddiesocket: That doesn't seem to be at all what you were saying. You seemed to be saying that most homophobes are gay. I'm pretty sure that's what you were saying. But no, I can't deny that most fixated, rabidly anti-gay people probably are closeted or have issues with women. But I do think that when someone like Rick Santorum (almost certainly not gay) says "marriage should be between a man and a woman" and good liberals say "LOL whatever closet case!", the result is that Rick Santorum has it confirmed in his mind that even the liberals know "gay" is an insult. Even the gay liberals know it.

/As an aside, it's kind of hilarious you posted Mila Kunis, as I've made it known to friends that that's the one girl I'd consider switching for.


Well, let's tack it up to a misunderstanding, since we're on the same side and seem to agree.  And there is NO shame in thinking of Mila Kunis in that way.  Damn.  (If it makes you feel better, I don't find Bradley Cooper attractive, but I totally get why others do.)

jso2897: Yeah, I was responding to you - I am having some trouble with this new format. While I agree with you that bigotry is out of place in the classroom, I also feel that ANY view, expressed in that manner, is not a good example for an educator to be setting. Had he been expressing a view I am totally in agreement with, I still would regard his manner of expressing himself inappropriate for a teacher in a classroom.


I am still getting used to this change, too.  I am willing to err on the side of caution when criticizing a teacher.  It's not fair to do what Hannity does (which I'm not saying you're doing) and use one statement out of a thousand to try and get a teacher fired.  Teachers say a LOT of sentences and it's really easy to  look at one or two of them out of context and get pissed.  On one hand, a high school teacher should be able to treat his or her students like adults and discuss adult issues like adults.  On the other hand, you can't just say stupid crap and encourage a classroom in which it's okay to be super racist and call Michelle Obama a "fat gorilla" or whatever it was.
 
2013-02-03 12:58:08 AM  
timesdaily.com

Wait a minute...is that Hank Schrader?

www.indiewire.com
 
2013-02-03 01:02:13 AM  

FatherChaos: [timesdaily.com image 232x445]

Wait a minute...is that Hank Schrader?

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No.  It's a time-traveling R. Lee Ermey from 1981-ish.

timesdaily.com

www.cageyfilms.com
 
2013-02-03 01:23:40 AM  

gimmegimme: eddiesocket: gimmegimme: eddiesocket: Why do you feel that's "safe to say"? Where are your stats? How many billions of closeted self-loathing queers do you think are out there? Have you really thought this through, or does it just make you feel better to think of homophobia as a gay problem?

I'm saying that self-loathing anti-gay feelings are not frequent among folks who are comfortably straight or comfortably homosexual.  (In case the thread hasn't made it clear, I'm 100% an ally of gay folks.)

So given that there are literally billions of homophobes out there, what percentage of those do you think are secretly gay?

Jesus.  I'm saying that those who put a significant amount of thought into their anti-gay policies have a higher chance of being gay because straight dudes generally spend that energy trying to figure out how to have sex with women.  Can you really disagree with that?  Here's what I've been thinking about this evening when I wasn't responding to you:

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Wow, we think alike we go have a beer or something ; )
Well yea I'm gay but that's okay I'm a girl, LOL, people really think that, I love my gay male friends : )
 
2013-02-03 01:24:46 AM  

what_now: Grisham: And look ... look at her. She looks like she weighs 185 or 190. She's overweight.

Different voice: Big fat gorilla


This is the thing I don't get: are these people looking at a different Michelle Obama? Have they confused her with Tyler Perry in drag?

Grisham: And look ... look at her. She looks like she weighs 185 or 190. She's overweight.

Different voice: Big fat gorilla


Gorilla, huh? Nice racist undertone to that.
 
2013-02-03 03:05:09 AM  

Max Awesome: I can't figure out what this guy was teaching. What part of the curriculum is "I Hate Queers"?

No wonder our youth are falling behind all other countries in academics. Stick to the three R's - Reading, Riting and Rithmatic.


We need to teach WAR! to the kids.
 
2013-02-03 03:06:42 AM  

nmemkha: Improvement?

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Smaller tits but better looking.  I would call it a draw.
 
2013-02-03 03:07:51 AM  
Lived in TN for four years, and I'm still glad there was a transcript, because I still can't understand Tennesseean.
 
2013-02-03 03:08:47 AM  

gimmegimme: Jesus. I'm saying that those who put a significant amount of thought into their anti-gay policies have a higher chance of being gay because straight dudes generally spend that energy trying to figure out how to have sex with women.



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2013-02-03 03:53:38 AM  
What was it that God said? "Judge not, lest you yourself be judged. There is no other judge but me"? "Love your neighbor as yourself; for what you do to the least of your own, you do to me"? Yeah, a whole lot of Christians aren't going to heaven anytime soon, and that's not even accounting for how they dare to presume what God likes and hates, especially since God stated he loves all of his creation (but one day he's going to utterly destroy all of creation and send most of humanity to eternal indescribable torture).

eddiesocket: gimmegimme: Jesus.  I'm saying that those who put a significant amount of thought into their anti-gay policies have a higher chance of being gay because straight dudes generally spend that energy trying to figure out how to have sex with women.  Can you really disagree with that?  Here's what I've been thinking about this evening when I wasn't responding to you:

That doesn't seem to be at all what you were saying. You seemed to be saying that most homophobes are gay. I'm pretty sure that's what you were saying. But no, I can't deny that most fixated, rabidly anti-gay people probably are closeted or have issues with women. But I do think that when someone like Rick Santorum (almost certainly not gay) says "marriage should be between a man and a woman" and good liberals say "LOL whatever closet case!", the result is that Rick Santorum has it confirmed in his mind that even the liberals know "gay" is an insult. Even the gay liberals know it.

/As an aside, it's kind of hilarious you posted Mila Kunis, as I've made it known to friends that that's the one girl I'd consider switching for.


Go look up how many anti-gay people have been found in homosexual situations and relationships.
 
2013-02-03 03:59:48 AM  

nickdaisy: Other than being slightly crass how is anything he said worthy of discipline?


NOT ON THE JOB.

In your house.
In your church.
On the street.

BUT NOT ON THE JOB.

Keep that ignorant sh*t out of the workplace. He should go, yesterday.
 
2013-02-03 04:07:59 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: What was it that God said? "Judge not, lest you yourself be judged. There is no other judge but me"? "Love your neighbor as yourself; for what you do to the least of your own, you do to me"? Yeah, a whole lot of Christians aren't going to heaven anytime soon, and that's not even accounting for how they dare to presume what God likes and hates, especially since God stated he loves all of his creation (but one day he's going to utterly destroy all of creation and send most of humanity to eternal indescribable torture).

eddiesocket: gimmegimme: Jesus.  I'm saying that those who put a significant amount of thought into their anti-gay policies have a higher chance of being gay because straight dudes generally spend that energy trying to figure out how to have sex with women.  Can you really disagree with that?  Here's what I've been thinking about this evening when I wasn't responding to you:

That doesn't seem to be at all what you were saying. You seemed to be saying that most homophobes are gay. I'm pretty sure that's what you were saying. But no, I can't deny that most fixated, rabidly anti-gay people probably are closeted or have issues with women. But I do think that when someone like Rick Santorum (almost certainly not gay) says "marriage should be between a man and a woman" and good liberals say "LOL whatever closet case!", the result is that Rick Santorum has it confirmed in his mind that even the liberals know "gay" is an insult. Even the gay liberals know it.

/As an aside, it's kind of hilarious you posted Mila Kunis, as I've made it known to friends that that's the one girl I'd consider switching for.

Go look up how many anti-gay people have been found in homosexual situations and relationships.


Is their like a best of porno for that yet?
/ I'm short of cash and just thinking of ways to make money, to bad I can't be a rent boy ; )
 
2013-02-03 04:18:15 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Keizer_Ghidorah: What was it that God said? "Judge not, lest you yourself be judged. There is no other judge but me"? "Love your neighbor as yourself; for what you do to the least of your own, you do to me"? Yeah, a whole lot of Christians aren't going to heaven anytime soon, and that's not even accounting for how they dare to presume what God likes and hates, especially since God stated he loves all of his creation (but one day he's going to utterly destroy all of creation and send most of humanity to eternal indescribable torture).

eddiesocket: gimmegimme: Jesus.  I'm saying that those who put a significant amount of thought into their anti-gay policies have a higher chance of being gay because straight dudes generally spend that energy trying to figure out how to have sex with women.  Can you really disagree with that?  Here's what I've been thinking about this evening when I wasn't responding to you:

That doesn't seem to be at all what you were saying. You seemed to be saying that most homophobes are gay. I'm pretty sure that's what you were saying. But no, I can't deny that most fixated, rabidly anti-gay people probably are closeted or have issues with women. But I do think that when someone like Rick Santorum (almost certainly not gay) says "marriage should be between a man and a woman" and good liberals say "LOL whatever closet case!", the result is that Rick Santorum has it confirmed in his mind that even the liberals know "gay" is an insult. Even the gay liberals know it.

/As an aside, it's kind of hilarious you posted Mila Kunis, as I've made it known to friends that that's the one girl I'd consider switching for.

Go look up how many anti-gay people have been found in homosexual situations and relationships.

Is their like a best of porno for that yet?
/ I'm short of cash and just thinking of ways to make money, to bad I can't be a rent boy ; )


Don't know, actually, but there are a few where one of the scenes is someone who isn't gay or is anti-gay gets over it pretty quick when a hot guy seduces him. Zeb Atlas and Jesse Colter did one, the first scene in "Take It Like A Biatch Boy" is one, several videos from "My Brother's Hot Friend" use it.

/there's always bisexual porn ;D
 
2013-02-03 05:48:19 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Don't know, actually, but there are a few where one of the scenes is someone who isn't gay or is anti-gay gets over it pretty quick when a hot guy seduces him. Zeb Atlas and Jesse Colter did one, the first scene in "Take It Like A Biatch Boy" is one, several videos from "My Brother's Hot Friend" use it.

/there's always bisexual porn ;D



Hmm, yes I do like the bi stuff and well while those names mean nothing to me now they may have too ; )
Thank you ; )
 
2013-02-03 09:59:12 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: What was it that God said? "Judge not, lest you yourself be judged. There is no other judge but me"? "Love your neighbor as yourself; for what you do to the least of your own, you do to me"? Yeah, a whole lot of Christians aren't going to heaven anytime soon, and that's not even accounting for how they dare to presume what God likes and hates, especially since God stated he loves all of his creation (but one day he's going to utterly destroy all of creation and send most of humanity to eternal indescribable torture).

eddiesocket: gimmegimme: Jesus.  I'm saying that those who put a significant amount of thought into their anti-gay policies have a higher chance of being gay because straight dudes generally spend that energy trying to figure out how to have sex with women.  Can you really disagree with that?  Here's what I've been thinking about this evening when I wasn't responding to you:

That doesn't seem to be at all what you were saying. You seemed to be saying that most homophobes are gay. I'm pretty sure that's what you were saying. But no, I can't deny that most fixated, rabidly anti-gay people probably are closeted or have issues with women. But I do think that when someone like Rick Santorum (almost certainly not gay) says "marriage should be between a man and a woman" and good liberals say "LOL whatever closet case!", the result is that Rick Santorum has it confirmed in his mind that even the liberals know "gay" is an insult. Even the gay liberals know it.

/As an aside, it's kind of hilarious you posted Mila Kunis, as I've made it known to friends that that's the one girl I'd consider switching for.

Go look up how many anti-gay people have been found in homosexual situations and relationships.


A couple dozen. Maybe a hundred. Out of billions.
 
2013-02-03 10:19:45 AM  

eddiesocket: The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.


The science is indisputable that opposition to homosexuality correlates strongly with homosexual desire, and that intensity of opposition to homosexuality correlates with intensity of homosexual desire.
 
2013-02-03 10:24:01 AM  

bugontherug: eddiesocket: The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.

The science is indisputable that opposition to homosexuality correlates strongly with homosexual desire, and that intensity of opposition to homosexuality correlates with intensity of homosexual desire.


Also: you obviously do not understand the concept of "statistically significant." Saying that a statistically significant portion of homophobes are also homosexual. Unless we posit a 100% correlation, there would still be at least some homophobes who do not experience homosexual desire.

So, I feel confident saying two things based on this thread:

1) There is a statistically significant chance you crave cock, and

2) You do not understand statistics.
 
2013-02-03 11:38:34 AM  

bugontherug: bugontherug: eddiesocket: The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.

The science is indisputable that opposition to homosexuality correlates strongly with homosexual desire, and that intensity of opposition to homosexuality correlates with intensity of homosexual desire.

Also: you obviously do not understand the concept of "statistically significant." Saying that a statistically significant portion of homophobes are also homosexual. Unless we posit a 100% correlation, there would still be at least some homophobes who do not experience homosexual desire.

So, I feel confident saying two things based on this thread:

1) There is a statistically significant chance you crave cock, and

2) You do not understand statistics.


Sigh. I went over this yesterday, but I'll try again: How do  you define "statistically significant"? Given that there are literally billions of homophobes out there, how many do you think are secretly gay?

bugontherug: The science is indisputable that opposition to homosexuality correlates strongly with homosexual desire, and that intensity of opposition to homosexuality correlates with intensity of homosexual desire.


No there's not. Just because most closet cases are outwardly homophobic doesn't mean most homophobes are closet cases.
 
2013-02-03 11:47:05 AM  

bugontherug: bugontherug: eddiesocket: The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.

The science is indisputable that opposition to homosexuality correlates strongly with homosexual desire, and that intensity of opposition to homosexuality correlates with intensity of homosexual desire.

Also: you obviously do not understand the concept of "statistically significant." Saying that a statistically significant portion of homophobes are also homosexual. Unless we posit a 100% correlation, there would still be at least some homophobes who do not experience homosexual desire.

So, I feel confident saying two things based on this thread:

1) There is a statistically significant chance you crave cock, and

2) You do not understand statistics.


The gay population is estimated to be somewhere between 3-5%. It's unknown how many are out and how many are self-loathing closet cases, but here in America,, it's probably safe to assume more are out than not. But let's split it down the middle. Let's say 2.5% of gays are not out, and all of them are self-loathing closet cases.Out of 330 million, that's 8.25 million.  A recent Gallup poll showed 42% of Americans think homosexuality is "morally unacceptable". Out of 330 million, that's 138.6 million. So that means 5.9% of homophobes in America are secretly gay,, and that is using  extremely generous numbers.  Statistically significant?
 
2013-02-03 03:21:20 PM  

nickdaisy: Most Americans consider homosexuality an abomination.


Really? I look forward to more pearls of your wisdom downstream in this thread....
 
2013-02-03 03:57:03 PM  

eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: eddiesocket:  Another words, "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Sorry buddy, many Christians are awful people. Saying they don't count is not a compelling or convincing argument.

If you don't live it you aren't it, period. Saying you are something is just vibrations in the air.

Which conveniently allows you to say all Christians are great people. Funny how that works out for you.


It also makes them ("true" Christians) by far the minority and of a number unable to be definitively counted. You can't say, then, that this is a predominantly Christian country. One could probably argue that the number of actual, "true" Christians, in this case, is practically a negligible percentage of the populace.

It's too bad, really, that you only count as a Christian if you can demonstrate that you are "living" as one, as opposed to just identifying. But according to their book, even the best and brightest of Christians leads a sinful, worldly life. That's the very essence of the faith - that no matter how hard one works to live in the word, he or she will transgress in their hearts, minds, and lives and need the forgiveness and mercy of god. So yeah, actually, when dumbasses argue that "oh, s/he's not a REAL Christian, because a real Christian would NEVER say/do such a thing," they are denying their Christian brothers and sisters AND pridefully distancing themselves from their own God-given propensity to sin. Thereby sinning doubly.

Isn't it a "true" Christian's sworn duty, by the order of his/her Lord and Savior, to seek out and bring home their errant and straying brethren - those lost sheep who sully the Name and the Cross by disregarding the New Testament in favor of base and earthy, unrighteous anger and hatred? I remember that being right there in the manual.

But no, let's push to make so-called Christians prove unequivocally that they are living as Christians, rather than just scamming benefits (and votes) like spiritual welfare. Oooh, their god would love that! Let's smoke out fake Christians like the bible said it was our job.

After that we can follow up on my dad's argument that Christianity transcends religion, because religion is comprised of dirty brown people beliefs like Islam and Buddhism and Hinduism. Religions, he and his friends and the talk radio personalities he listens to argue, are man-made, and Christianity is bigger and better than that, handed down from the ever-living god. I am all for arguing that Christianity is not a religion. I say test them all to make sure they're truly Christian, then tax the shiat out of them for their certainty that they are above all man-made understanding of religion, including those protections of the Constitution.
 
2013-02-03 05:45:42 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Keizer_Ghidorah: Don't know, actually, but there are a few where one of the scenes is someone who isn't gay or is anti-gay gets over it pretty quick when a hot guy seduces him. Zeb Atlas and Jesse Colter did one, the first scene in "Take It Like A Biatch Boy" is one, several videos from "My Brother's Hot Friend" use it.

/there's always bisexual porn ;D

Hmm, yes I do like the bi stuff and well while those names mean nothing to me now they may have too ; )
Thank you ; )


You're very welcome. Believe me, you'll love all of those names ;3
 
2013-02-03 06:13:57 PM  

eddiesocket: bugontherug: bugontherug: eddiesocket: The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.

The science is indisputable that opposition to homosexuality correlates strongly with homosexual desire, and that intensity of opposition to homosexuality correlates with intensity of homosexual desire.

Also: you obviously do not understand the concept of "statistically significant." Saying that a statistically significant portion of homophobes are also homosexual. Unless we posit a 100% correlation, there would still be at least some homophobes who do not experience homosexual desire.

So, I feel confident saying two things based on this thread:

1) There is a statistically significant chance you crave cock, and

2) You do not understand statistics.

The gay population is estimated to be somewhere between 3-5%. It's unknown how many are out and how many are self-loathing closet cases, but here in America,, it's probably safe to assume more are out than not. But let's split it down the middle. Let's say 2.5% of gays are not out, and all of them are self-loathing closet cases.Out of 330 million, that's 8.25 million.  A recent Gallup poll showed 42% of Americans think homosexuality is "morally unacceptable". Out of 330 million, that's 138.6 million. So that means 5.9% of homophobes in America are secretly gay,, and that is using  extremely generous numbers.  Statistically significant?


How about we just agree to stop being idiots and assholes towards people who happen to love the same gender, treat them as equal human beings and American citizens, and go on with our lives?
 
2013-02-03 08:55:09 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: eddiesocket: bugontherug: bugontherug: eddiesocket: The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.

The science is indisputable that opposition to homosexuality correlates strongly with homosexual desire, and that intensity of opposition to homosexuality correlates with intensity of homosexual desire.

Also: you obviously do not understand the concept of "statistically significant." Saying that a statistically significant portion of homophobes are also homosexual. Unless we posit a 100% correlation, there would still be at least some homophobes who do not experience homosexual desire.

So, I feel confident saying two things based on this thread:

1) There is a statistically significant chance you crave cock, and

2) You do not understand statistics.

The gay population is estimated to be somewhere between 3-5%. It's unknown how many are out and how many are self-loathing closet cases, but here in America,, it's probably safe to assume more are out than not. But let's split it down the middle. Let's say 2.5% of gays are not out, and all of them are self-loathing closet cases.Out of 330 million, that's 8.25 million.  A recent Gallup poll showed 42% of Americans think homosexuality is "morally unacceptable". Out of 330 million, that's 138.6 million. So that means 5.9% of homophobes in America are secretly gay,, and that is using  extremely generous numbers.  Statistically significant?

How about we just agree to stop being idiots and assholes towards people who happen to love the same gender, treat them as equal human beings and American citizens, and go on with our lives?


Awesome, I agree. And one way to do that is to not reinforce the idea that "gay" is an insult by calling homophobes secretly gay.
 
2013-02-03 09:55:42 PM  

eddiesocket: Keizer_Ghidorah: eddiesocket: bugontherug: bugontherug: eddiesocket: The idea that all or even a statistically significant amount of homophobes are secretly gay is wholly unsupported by any facts. It also has the unintended side effect of implying only gay people are bigots.

The science is indisputable that opposition to homosexuality correlates strongly with homosexual desire, and that intensity of opposition to homosexuality correlates with intensity of homosexual desire.

Also: you obviously do not understand the concept of "statistically significant." Saying that a statistically significant portion of homophobes are also homosexual. Unless we posit a 100% correlation, there would still be at least some homophobes who do not experience homosexual desire.

So, I feel confident saying two things based on this thread:

1) There is a statistically significant chance you crave cock, and

2) You do not understand statistics.

The gay population is estimated to be somewhere between 3-5%. It's unknown how many are out and how many are self-loathing closet cases, but here in America,, it's probably safe to assume more are out than not. But let's split it down the middle. Let's say 2.5% of gays are not out, and all of them are self-loathing closet cases.Out of 330 million, that's 8.25 million.  A recent Gallup poll showed 42% of Americans think homosexuality is "morally unacceptable". Out of 330 million, that's 138.6 million. So that means 5.9% of homophobes in America are secretly gay,, and that is using  extremely generous numbers.  Statistically significant?

How about we just agree to stop being idiots and assholes towards people who happen to love the same gender, treat them as equal human beings and American citizens, and go on with our lives?

Awesome, I agree. And one way to do that is to not reinforce the idea that "gay" is an insult by calling homophobes secretly gay.


Pointing out that some of them ARE gay and try to hide it by being overdoing an anti-gay stance isn't an insult. Neither is pointing out how obsessed a lot of anti-gay people are with the way they object to it by intimately describing how gay people have sex.
 
2013-02-04 11:13:22 AM  

RCon: eddiesocket: barefoot in the head: eddiesocket:  Another words, "no true Scotsman" fallacy. Sorry buddy, many Christians are awful people. Saying they don't count is not a compelling or convincing argument.

If you don't live it you aren't it, period. Saying you are something is just vibrations in the air.

Which conveniently allows you to say all Christians are great people. Funny how that works out for you.


You shouldn't put words in other people's mouths. I have spent a fair bit of time saying that many professed Christians are ignorant, deluded, or frauds, in not so many words.

It also makes them ("true" Christians) by far the minority and of a number unable to be definitively counted. You can't say, then, that this is a predominantly Christian country. One could probably argue that the number of actual, "true" Christians, in this case, is practically a negligible percentage of the populace.

I agree. Perhaps the term Christian is too easily adopted. That is why I do not claim to be one. Nor Buddhist, nor anything else. But there is wisdom to be found in many places.

It's too bad, really, that you only count as a Christian if you can demonstrate that you are "living" as one, as opposed to just identifying. But according to their book, even the best and brightest of Christians leads a sinful, worldly life. That's the very essence of the faith - that no matter how hard one works to live in the word, he or she will transgress in their hearts, minds, and lives and need the forgiveness and mercy of god. So yeah, actually, when dumbasses argue that "oh, s/he's not a REAL Christian, because a real Christian would NEVER say/do such a thing," they are denying their Christian brothers and sisters AND pridefully distancing themselves from their own God-given propensity to sin. Thereby sinning doubly.

I think the book says "By their fruits ye shall know them." Everybody makes mistakes, but what this coach said is just like throwing stomes at Mary Magdelene. Or a mirror.

Isn't it a "true" Christian's sworn duty, by the order of his/her Lord and Savior, to seek out and bring home their errant and straying brethren - those lost sheep who sully the Name and the Cross by disregarding the New Testament in favor of base and earthy, unrighteous anger and hatred? I remember that being right there in the manual.

But no, let's push to make so-called Christians prove unequivocally that they are living as Christians, rather than just scamming benefits (and votes) like spiritual welfare. Oooh, their ...


You can do all of that, and hold anyone's feet to the fire you like, but you have to assess your own list first - and it had better be well assessed or you will be seen as a hypocrite fairly quickly. But that is true in all things, isn't it? Karma is exactly the same principle.

I find it fascinating that on a site where "walk the walk" is so prevalent, so many people fail to understand that calling yourself something doesn't make you anything. I think you just need to dismiss it because you want to blame as wide a group as you can for whatever it is that bugs you about a particular group. if they don't live it, they are just individuals who don't live it. That is true of anything, as well.
 
2013-02-04 12:07:36 PM  
eddiesocket: Which conveniently allows you to say all Christians are great people. Funny how that works out for you.

barefoot in the head: You shouldn't put words in other people's mouths. I have spent a fair bit of time saying that many professed Christians are ignorant, deluded, or frauds, in not so many words.


"Professed". "Frauds". Another words, not "true" Christians. All true Christians are great people, the ones who are bad people are professed Christians and frauds. You didn't refute what I said, you reinforced it.
And since you're throwing around bits of half remembered Bible verses, don't forget "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Christians are Christians because they believe in Christ. Nothing more or less.

barefoot in the head: if they don't live it, they are just individuals who don't live it.


How do you live "it"? Define "it".  How does one live as a gay person, a Scotsman, an atheist, a Muslim, a Christian? How does that work, and who decides if you're not  really what you claim to be?
 
2013-02-04 12:42:49 PM  
eddiesocket:

All true Christians are great people, the ones who are bad people are professed Christians and frauds. You didn't refute what I said, you reinforced it.
I haven't said anything about good or bad. You have, twice. I have been speaking of integrity of word and deed.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Christians are Christians because they believe in Christ. Nothing more or less.

Those two lines of text do not mean the same thing at all and people are Christians when they emulate the teachings of Jesus in ther lives. The church will not agree with my defintion. I don't care.

barefoot in the head: if they don't live it, they are just individuals who don't live it.
How do you live "it"? Define "it".  How does one live as a gay person, a Scotsman, an atheist, a Muslim, a Christian?

One can be all of those things and live as a whole and true being, or none of them. So, there is just living, and nothing to define. The defintions obscure the reality of a lived life.

How does that work, and who decides if you're not  really what you claim to be?
You can see if somenone is not what they profess to be, if you can witness their unguarded acts over time. Then you presume nothing and watch for evidence of their truth.
 
2013-02-04 04:10:38 PM  

barefoot in the head: All true Christians are great people, the ones who are bad people are professed Christians and frauds. You didn't refute what I said, you reinforced it.
I haven't said anything about good or bad. You have, twice. I have been speaking of integrity of word and deed.


Do you think you've said something here?  You haven't. You're saying nothing. I accused you of claiming all Christians are good people, and you retorted that there are plenty of professed Christians who are frauds. Which means you believe that all true Christians are good people. Or "have integrity with word and deed", if you want to dress up your rhetoric.

barefoot in the head: barefoot in the head: if they don't live it, they are just individuals who don't live it.
How do you live "it"? Define "it".  How does one live as a gay person, a Scotsman, an atheist, a Muslim, a Christian?
One can be all of those things and live as a whole and true being, or none of them. So, there is just living, and nothing to define. The defintions obscure the reality of a lived life.

How does that work, and who decides if you're not  really what you claim to be?
You can see if somenone is not what they profess to be, if you can witness their unguarded acts over time. Then you presume nothing and watch for evidence of their truth.


Ok, wow. You have no interest in making a coherent point. You're like a bad parody of a fortune cookie. Maybe you're a troll, I dunno. If so, well played. Ya got me. If not, take a farking debate class at your local community college. You're spouting nonsense like a stroke victim and yet you have the pious tone of someone who's making some great points.
 
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