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(The New York Times)   FTC pushes for enforceable do-not-track on mobiles. Facebook and Google seen readying their nukes   (nytimes.com) divider line 8
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2013-02-02 03:58:08 PM
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I don't have a problem with this.

I had a problem when I discovered just how many ways we can be tracked and spied on through items we depend on. Especially when reading about a GPS tracker in a cell phone which could not be turned off. Then finding out that some cells could be activated when shut off just like some webcams could be turned on remotely by a hacker and you'd never know he was watching you. (My webcam is unplugged.)

I drive a late model car. Aside from not being able to work on the engine because of all of the electronics, it has this automatic light thingie. When I turn the key, the headlights pop on if it's too dark. The parking lights come on no matter what.

I can't shut them off, even with the adjustment control.

Now, there have been times in my past where I've found it necessary to park, lights out, at night, not wanting to be seen. (Like when I caught my last G/F cheating on me.) A long time ago, I found it necessary to do the same thing to avoid the cops who were determined to pull me over.

You can't do that in my current car. Shut the thing off and those lights keep right on burning for several minutes.

I was impressed when PCs became available to the general public. I've been impressed as they have evolved over time and when the Internet opened up. However, I became alarmed when suddenly, advertisers discovered this untapped resource to foul up, SPAMMERS appeared and then hackers started screwing up systems just for fun.

Suddenly, I had to arm my system with expensive security measures, and still some bright boy would find a way in. In a era of HD space limited to megabytes, the constant upgrades of anti-virus and anti-malware programs could eat up available memory and resources fast.

Cell phones appeared and I was impressed, especially when they went from about the size of a carton of smokes to something close to a credit card. I was still impressed when they turned into camcorders, video players, had internet access and scores more things.

I was a courier using a map book to deliver before they came out with Google maps and GPS on the cells. Plus, I had to use a short wave radio to communicate with my base. Every driver could listen to any heated discussion I got in to with management. I was forever adding streets and addresses to my map books.

Now, couriers use cells with Google maps and GPS.

On one hand, it makes their job nicer, on the other, they can't goof off and hide like they used to because the boss can pinpoint their location and see how long they've been there.

I grew up in the pen and paper era. Privacy was not only a big thing, but hard and expensive to invade. If I wanted a beer for lunch, my boss wouldn't find out. Today, he can dial in the company cell and use GPS to find out where I might be 'dining'. Even if I shut the phone off.

(I could have used that when I was a courier and a manager. I didn't know it but I had a driver who drank his lunch every day. I had another who would hide and lie about his location to avoid having to help another driver.)

When there are no laws governing a technology, people will promptly take advantage of it for personal gain. Customer lists started being sold between companies. Later, companies paid SPAMMERS to clog up your inbox with crap. Hackers developed programs to steal your information or to use your computer as a bot to steal more information.

Pretty much, today they virtually can tell when you take a leak and where you're doing it.

New laws have had to been made.

The Cellular companies included these programs in your phones and systems for a reason. No doubt, as a way to make major bucks later on. After all, information gathering has become a lucrative business.

Why do you think some phones have GPS which can't be turned off? Why do phone companies keep such extensive records of your usage and calls for so long when space on a server is precious? Who gave Google a right to save records of your searches and why would they do it anyhow? Why does your cell save copies of every text you send or get, unless you deliberately delete them?

Like, when landlords started secretly wiring their apartments with spy cams and recording the tenants. The first several to get caught were found to not be breaking any laws. They had a right to peek in on that hot chick renting their place as she used the can.

We had to write new laws concerning invasion of privacy.

That brings up the question. If we have the technology to do something, should we? Even if there are no laws against it because such a situation has never come up before?

So, I approve of the new laws.

I'm also going to find out how to rewire that darn switch on my car so I can shut all of the lights off when I want them off. Even if I have to install another switch.
2013-02-03 02:40:11 AM
1 votes:
Impossible.  Literally impossible.

Your phone gets its GPS from cell tower triangulation, not GPS satellites.  If your phone is working, your carrier knows exactly where you are.

Pointless fake security is pointless and fake.
2013-02-02 11:30:12 PM
1 votes:
Roughly everybody in this thread doesn't realize that "do-not-track" has nothing to do with physical location. It's about preventing websites from trying to spot you as you move from site to site, by putting a tracking cookie on every site and then watching where you move.

To be fair, the FTC probably doesn't know that either.
2013-02-02 10:53:04 PM
1 votes:
Didn't Chrome put this feature in awhile ago and was one of the first browsers to do so and started the do not track craze? I wonder who makes Chrome?

(also said feature is on Chrome for Android)
2013-02-02 07:59:31 PM
1 votes:

Rik01: I can't shut them off, even with the adjustment control.

Now, there have been times in my past where I've found it necessary to park, lights out, at night, not wanting to be seen. (Like when I caught my last G/F cheating on me.) A long time ago, I found it necessary to do the same thing to avoid the cops who were determined to pull me over.


Try the parking brake / e-brake. That often turns off daytime-running-lights.
2013-02-02 07:21:57 PM
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Rik01: Why do phone companies keep such extensive records of your usage and calls for so long when space on a server is precious? Who gave Google a right to save records of your searches and why would they do it anyhow? Why does your cell save copies of every text you send or get, unless you deliberately delete them?


Well, I can answer this.  1.  Server hard drive space isn't precious at all.  It's like 5 cents per gigabyte.  2.  Knowing how people use your service and how lets you figure out how to improve it.  3.  Ditto on Google and why they save records, so they can see where their algorithm fails at or could be improved upon.  3.  As per cell saving copies, because, yet again, space is cheap.
2013-02-02 07:08:51 PM
1 votes:

Rik01: I don't have a problem with this.


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You can turn your lights off by activating the parking brake, while in park, at least click usually. also, RTFM. It will tell you how to turn them off.
2013-02-02 04:05:17 PM
1 votes:
Jesus was an extraterrestrial
 
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