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(Cleveland Plain Dealer)   East Cleveland sends USPS pictures of its vehicles running red lights. USPS lawyer sends back a picture of the Constitution   (cleveland.com) divider line 141
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2013-02-02 10:36:32 AM
This is just going to escalate until a picture of buttocks is sent, isn't it?
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-02-02 10:39:34 AM
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-02 11:00:51 AM
"However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation,"

So do all the mailmen who shoot up their offices skate?
 
2013-02-02 11:06:39 AM

Mugato: "However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation,"

So do all the mailmen who shoot up their offices skate?


I'm pretty sure it is a federal crime to shoot up a federal building.
 
2013-02-02 12:48:53 PM
The law is pretty clear on this, and she's right.

Lawyered!
 
2013-02-02 12:49:53 PM
Know a guy who sent a picture of cash to the police in response to their picture of his car running a red light.
The police responded by sending a picture of handcuffs. At least they have a sense of humor when they arent shooting dogs or trying to hookup with 14 year olds in chat rooms.
 
2013-02-02 12:50:14 PM
Why do you think that you're immune to local and state regulations?

Because fark you, that's why!
 
2013-02-02 12:50:16 PM
Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.
 
2013-02-02 12:50:22 PM
By the mayor's logic the police should be preventing all crime, all the time since they don't pay attention to traffic laws or speed limits.
 
2013-02-02 12:50:34 PM
shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.
 
2013-02-02 12:50:50 PM
At least it wasn't a seven legged spider.
 
2013-02-02 12:51:34 PM
I almost got run over by a usps truck in which the driver was talking on his cell, while making an illegal u turn.

Besides the high volume tirade I provided to his face, I tried calling the post office and reporting him by his truck number, but they basically ignored me.
 
2013-02-02 12:51:55 PM
Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.
 
2013-02-02 12:57:25 PM
Simplistic solution: arrest them in the USPS attack vehicles, impound the trucks, and make the USPS come and get them.  After five or six times the red-light running will cease.  Repeat as necessary.
 
2013-02-02 12:57:39 PM
It's called a "Cleveland Steamer" and it's totally legit. Google it!
 
2013-02-02 12:57:58 PM

Giltric: Know a guy who sent a picture of cash to the police in response to their picture of his car running a red light.
The police responded by sending a picture of handcuffs.


Fnorgby!!!  Where you been, man?
 
2013-02-02 12:58:19 PM

BumpInTheNight: At least it wasn't a seven legged spider.


If he would have just put eight legs on it to begin with it would have been fine.
 
2013-02-02 12:58:21 PM
In their defense, you can't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.
 
2013-02-02 12:59:19 PM
If it weren't red light cam tickets I might be able to muster up some indignation.

As it is, East Cleveland, get used to having your mail routed through Albuquerque.
 
2013-02-02 12:59:33 PM

texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.


I really think that there ought to be a legal difference between "clipping" and "running" the red.  If you honestly don't think you can stop in time, take the .3 seconds at the front of the red and just go (esp. if there's ice or similar). There's no one going through the intersection and I can wait (This is the entire point of the Michigan pause).  Now if you run the light (ie the lights been red), you get what's coming to you.

/Moved from MI where they're illegal, to SF where they're on every single street corner.
//Haven't been rear-ended yet when I slam to a screeching halt, but it's been close.
 
2013-02-02 12:59:50 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.
 
2013-02-02 01:00:19 PM
Kinda glad the post office is getting some of its swagger back after being a pansy for the last few decades. Not sure this is the right fight though.
 
2013-02-02 01:00:35 PM
Between this and their immunity to parking tickets, I wonder what other traffic laws USPS vehicles can violate.
 
2013-02-02 01:01:56 PM

pedrop357: Between this and their immunity to parking tickets, I wonder what other traffic laws USPS vehicles can violate.


Mugato: "However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation,"


All of them, I guess.
 
2013-02-02 01:02:50 PM

cleveoh: Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.


Step 1: Set up red light cameras in high crime areas.

Step 2: Employ shady looking characters to scare people stopped at these red lights.

Step 3: Profit!
 
2013-02-02 01:03:59 PM
The conspiracy nuts thinks its The Jews, FEMA, Canadians, or the UN.

But, the real harbingers of the New World Order are ...

The US Postal Service

* Scary music, maniacal laughing, and thunderclaps *
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-02 01:04:06 PM

Glancing Blow: Simplistic solution: arrest them in the USPS attack vehicles, impound the trucks, and make the USPS come and get them.  After five or six times the red-light running will cease.  Repeat as necessary.


Yes, because impounding Ft. Sumpter worked out so well.
 
2013-02-02 01:05:10 PM

vpb: Glancing Blow: Simplistic solution: arrest them in the USPS attack vehicles, impound the trucks, and make the USPS come and get them.  After five or six times the red-light running will cease.  Repeat as necessary.

Yes, because impounding Ft. Sumpter worked out so well.


A vehicle is different than a fort.

//The more you know...
///Rainbow star sparkles
 
2013-02-02 01:05:38 PM
All I remember from my drivers ed class in high school

Q: A firetruck, a police car, a USPS truck, and an ambulance pull up to a four way stop at the same time. Which has the right of way?

A USPS truck
 
2013-02-02 01:07:22 PM

Mugato: "However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation,"

So do all the mailmen who shoot up their offices skate?


They cannot charge the organization, but they can charge the employees. TFA even says that if an actual cop pulled over a delivery truck, he could ticket the driver.

pedrop357: Between this and their immunity to parking tickets, I wonder what other traffic laws USPS vehicles can violate.


According to the article, all of them. "However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation."
 
2013-02-02 01:07:53 PM

cleveoh: Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.


darwinpolice: shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.


t3knomanser: In their defense, you can't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.


drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.


ALL OF THIS.
 
2013-02-02 01:08:27 PM
East Cleveland should just become a part of Detroit.
 
2013-02-02 01:09:16 PM

JimmyFartpants: cleveoh: Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.

Step 1: Set up red light cameras in high crime areas.

Step 2: Employ shady looking characters to scare people stopped at these red lights.

Step 3: Profit!


Why do you need to employ scary looking people if it's already a high crime area? I was stopped at a red light in a very bad neighborhood that I had to visit for work. A man with no shirt stepped off the curb, picked up a piece of brick, and crossed in front of me even though I was the 5th or 6th car back, all without breaking eye contact. I don't think that he'd ever collected a paycheck in his life.
 
2013-02-02 01:11:02 PM

pedrop357: vpb: Glancing Blow: Simplistic solution: arrest them in the USPS attack vehicles, impound the trucks, and make the USPS come and get them.  After five or six times the red-light running will cease.  Repeat as necessary.

Yes, because impounding Ft. Sumpter worked out so well.

A vehicle is different than a fort.

//The more you know...
///Rainbow star sparkles


Interfering with the delivery of US Mail is a Federal crime.
 
2013-02-02 01:11:41 PM
The immunity makes sense for some things.  If it wasn't for the immunity, I'm sure some towns would try to raise revenue by papering the USPS trucks with parking tickets.  It is much cheaper for USPS to simply reply with a "Go fark yourself" form letter than actually have to fight it out in court.

That said, I'm not so sure this should extend to moving violations.  It's one thing for the mail truck to be able park with impunity so the drive can go about his business, running red lights is much worse.

/oh and fark red light cameras
 
2013-02-02 01:11:44 PM

RminusQ: pedrop357: Between this and their immunity to parking tickets, I wonder what other traffic laws USPS vehicles can violate.

According to the article, all of them. "However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation."


I wonder if that extends to the driver.

If so, it could make for interesting applications in traffic crashes-who's at fault if a USPS truck blows a light and hits another car?
 
2013-02-02 01:12:02 PM

Devo: All I remember from my drivers ed class in high school

Q: A firetruck, a police car, a USPS truck, and an ambulance pull up to a four way stop at the same time. Which has the right of way?

A USPS truck


What if there's a parking authority van double parked where the USPS truck is making its turn? How quickly must the ambulance backup to allow it through?
 
2013-02-02 01:12:13 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: This is just going to escalate until a picture of buttocks is sent, isn't it?


Challenge accepted!
 
2013-02-02 01:12:14 PM
I worked for a city once; when in their vehicles on their time it was always fun to be a dick driving. One time I remember fondly I was driving the wrong direction in the wrong lane downtown at 3am and passing by a police cruiser who was doing the same in the opposite direction.  Orange Light Bar Immunity!
That said, the USPS must really be hurting for cash if they are challenging minor traffic fines from a repeat offender.
 
2013-02-02 01:13:10 PM

CavalierEternal: cleveoh: Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.

darwinpolice: shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.

t3knomanser: In their defense, you can't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.

ALL OF THIS.


To be fair, there are some gorgeous & well kept Victorian homes there that if you plunked them down in Tremont or Ohio city would cost a fortune.

...but you can't, & that means you're in East Cleveland, so drive like hell.
 
2013-02-02 01:13:30 PM

tripleseven: I almost got run over by a usps truck in which the driver was talking on his cell, while making an illegal u turn.

Besides the high volume tirade I provided to his face, I tried calling the post office and reporting him by his truck number, but they basically ignored me.


Doing something would likely require complicated paperwork that would waste dozens of hours.   If I had a choice of ignoreing someone or doing a lot of paperwork, the decision would be simple.
 
2013-02-02 01:14:07 PM

ChrisDe: The law is pretty clear on this, and she's right.

Lawyered!


The USPS lawyer is apparently referring to the McCulloch v. Maryland decision.  But the USPS was spun off as an independent agency in 1971, so I don't know that it really applies anymore.
 
2013-02-02 01:15:35 PM

cleveoh: CavalierEternal: cleveoh: Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.

darwinpolice: shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.

t3knomanser: In their defense, you can't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.

ALL OF THIS.

To be fair, there are some gorgeous & well kept Victorian homes there that if you plunked them down in Tremont or Ohio city would cost a fortune.

...but you can't, & that means you're in East Cleveland, so drive like hell.


We got lost and routed through East Cleveland on our way home from the Grog Shop on night about four years ago. It was about as exciting as skydiving with no parachute and one of those reverse beartraps from Saw on your head.
 
2013-02-02 01:16:06 PM

darwinpolice: shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.


GM had the Detroit Police come out and give us a safety briefing, since we have some facilities in Detroit.  The focus was on going in late at night or early in the morning.  The cop told everyone "Unless you want to get car jacked, rolling stops only in these areas."  One engineer asked "Well what if we get pulled over, can we tell the officer you told us not to stop."  The cop's response was "If someone tries to pull you over, keep going, because we don't go into those areas at night."

/we also a young female engineer who was outraged over the unofficial company policy to only send male engineers to those facilities during certain hours.  If you have to get an engineer into the plant for some reason, call a guy.
//the older female engineers took her aside and explained that while there is gender equality, there is also gang rape
 
2013-02-02 01:17:15 PM
They have immunity? Like this guy?

www.deuceofdavenport.com

His was revoked.
 
2013-02-02 01:24:40 PM
I propose a spate of postal service vehicle thefts and vandalism, followed by the states and cities saying, "Sorry, that's a federal problem."
 
2013-02-02 01:27:37 PM
The Constitution?

This will confuse conservatives. How does the right to have assault rifles help you with traffic tickets?
 
2013-02-02 01:29:02 PM
The fact that the USPS is a quasi governmental organization screws the consumer.  For example, suppose you mail a package, insure it, and it's damaged.  The Postal Service has various exceptions to its damage rules, such as if the package exterior is not damaged you cannot collect.  How is one supposed to know this?  Now if you are UPS you have to give notice to a consumer about the terms of the insurance.  But the USPS does not have to, because it is a governmental entity and judges have ruled that consumers are obligated to know these federal regulations, just like you are supposed to "know" the tax code.  Somewhere buried deep in the Code of Federal Regulations you'll find this crap, and the Postal Service uses these hidden rules to screw consumers.
 
KIA
2013-02-02 01:30:07 PM
The Post Office is not a federal agency anymore.  It is private and composed of ordinary people like everyone else.  Arrest them and have them spend a few nights in the Greybar Hotel.
 
2013-02-02 01:31:12 PM
www.27bslash6.com

Here you go
 
2013-02-02 01:32:01 PM

Devo: All I remember from my drivers ed class in high school

Q: A firetruck, a police car, a USPS truck, and an ambulance pull up to a four way stop at the same time. Which has the right of way?

A USPS truck


Apparently you didn't learn anything in drivers ed.
 
2013-02-02 01:33:55 PM

jjorsett: I propose a spate of postal service vehicle thefts and vandalism, followed by the states and cities saying, "Sorry, that's a federal problem."


Sure, they could say that but then the citizens of those cities and states might get upset when their cars are stolen or vandalized by people who were let go when caught by the local cops screwing around with postal vehicles.
 
2013-02-02 01:36:21 PM
louiedog:
Why do you need to employ scary looking people if it's already a high crime area? I was stopped at a red light in a very bad neighborhood that I had to visit for work. A man with no shirt stepped off the curb, picked up a piece of brick, and crossed in front of me even though I was the 5th or 6th car back, all without breaking eye contact. I don't think that he'd ever collected a paycheck in his life.

And?
 
2013-02-02 01:37:28 PM

meyerkev: texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.

I really think that there ought to be a legal difference between "clipping" and "running" the red.  If you honestly don't think you can stop in time, take the .3 seconds at the front of the red and just go (esp. if there's ice or similar). There's no one going through the intersection and I can wait (This is the entire point of the Michigan pause).  Now if you run the light (ie the lights been red), you get what's coming to you.

/Moved from MI where they're illegal, to SF where they're on every single street corner.
//Haven't been rear-ended yet when I slam to a screeching halt, but it's been close.


29 cameras at 25 intersections is not every street corner, jackass.

If you're screeching to a halt at any time, you're not paying attention. I've been driving here for 25 years, and I could probably come up with another 25 intersections that need them, just off the top of my head.
 
2013-02-02 01:41:16 PM
ImOKwiththis.jpg
 
2013-02-02 01:47:51 PM
What gets me is that, for the longest time, I just knew it as a joke from a song. But I recently spent a week in Cleveland, and every morning I'd throw on the local news and hear about a new dead body in East Cleveland. My personal favorite was one girl murdered another because the other had been teasing her about her flatulence.

They kill you over fart jokes in East Cleveland.
 
2013-02-02 01:49:03 PM

muddythinker: The fact that the USPS is a quasi governmental organization screws the consumer.  For example, suppose you mail a package, insure it, and it's damaged.  The Postal Service has various exceptions to its damage rules, such as if the package exterior is not damaged you cannot collect.How is one supposed to know this?  Now if you are UPS you have to give notice to a consumer about the terms of the insurance.  But the USPS does not have to, because it is a governmental entity and judges have ruled that consumers are obligated to know these federal regulations, just like you are supposed to "know" the tax code.  Somewhere buried deep in the Code of Federal Regulations you'll find this crap, and the Postal Service uses these hidden rules to screw consumers.


Then you fark it up yourself just to be sure.  "It came like, sir"
 
2013-02-02 01:49:23 PM
blog.nola.com

Police : Busted! send me a check!

1.bp.blogspot.com
Guy:  In response to your picture of my car, here is a picture of my check.

ladyarse.co.uk

Police:  In response to your picture of a check, here is a picture of my handcuffs.


Guy:  I'll pay the fine.
 
2013-02-02 01:49:53 PM
LibertyHiller:
If you're screeching to a halt at any time, you're not paying attention. I've been driving here for 25 years, and I could probably come up with another 25 intersections that need them, just off the top of my head.

Old person spotted.
 
2013-02-02 01:50:35 PM

cleveoh: Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.


darwinpolice: shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.


drunk_bouncnbaloruber: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 491x282]

Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.


All of these things.

/Witnessed a drive-by outside my dorm room when I went to CWRU.
//Only some car windows died.
 
2013-02-02 01:57:57 PM

t3knomanser: In their defense, you can't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.


drunk_bouncnbaloruber: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 491x282]

Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.


Came here to make sure the Cleveland Tourism Jingle was accounted for.  Good show all!
 
2013-02-02 01:59:33 PM

ltdanman44: [blog.nola.com image 453x489]

Police : Busted! send me a check!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x323]
Guy:  In response to your picture of my car, here is a picture of my check.

[ladyarse.co.uk image 768x523]

Police:  In response to your picture of a check, here is a picture of my handcuffs.


Guy:  I'll pay the fine.


Funny, and I'm not sure if each state defines what "running a red light" means on their own, but in Florida if you are beyond the stop line at an intersection before the light changes to red then you aren't running a red light. In other words, that guy was innocent in Florida.
 
2013-02-02 02:00:35 PM
Through rain or snow, or sleet or hail, and right through a red light, we'll carry the mail.
 
2013-02-02 02:03:45 PM
Yahoo article with embedded response to USPS lawyer: clicky here
 
2013-02-02 02:07:07 PM

ha-ha-guy: darwinpolice: shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.

GM had the Detroit Police come out and give us a safety briefing, since we have some facilities in Detroit.  The focus was on going in late at night or early in the morning.  The cop told everyone "Unless you want to get car jacked, rolling stops only in these areas."  One engineer asked "Well what if we get pulled over, can we tell the officer you told us not to stop."  The cop's response was "If someone tries to pull you over, keep going, because we don't go into those areas at night."

/we also a young female engineer who was outraged over the unofficial company policy to only send male engineers to those facilities during certain hours.  If you have to get an engineer into the plant for some reason, call a guy.
//the older female engineers took her aside and explained that while there is gender equality, there is also gang rape


Yay, CSB time!
I got the same line from my buddy's dad who was a cop for Inkster PD.  He told us about the areas in Inkster through Detroit where stopping is optional at night and that frankly, the likelihood of getting stopped for running a red in those neighborhoods was near zero.  He urged us to only slow down enough make sure there is no traffic coming but not so much that somebody could run up and open the door.

My dad used to work nights at a plant in Hamtramck and would take Cass in to the plant.  He said there are multiple instances were he genuinely feared for his life on his way to/from work.  I always wondered why he drove large late-70s tanks for his 'work car'.
 
2013-02-02 02:16:10 PM
jaytkay

The Constitution?

This will confuse conservatives. How does the right to have assault rifles help you with traffic tickets?
]

0/10
 
2013-02-02 02:16:35 PM
I find this all very flummoxing.
 
2013-02-02 02:19:15 PM

ha-ha-guy: darwinpolice: shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.

GM had the Detroit Police come out and give us a safety briefing, since we have some facilities in Detroit.  The focus was on going in late at night or early in the morning.  The cop told everyone "Unless you want to get car jacked, rolling stops only in these areas."  One engineer asked "Well what if we get pulled over, can we tell the officer you told us not to stop."  The cop's response was "If someone tries to pull you over, keep going, because we don't go into those areas at night."

/we also a young female engineer who was outraged over the unofficial company policy to only send male engineers to those facilities during certain hours.  If you have to get an engineer into the plant for some reason, call a guy.
//the older female engineers took her aside and explained that while there is gender equality, there is also gang rape


We really need to just raze Detroit and start over.
 
2013-02-02 02:23:16 PM
I'll bet FedEx and UPS wish they had the same immunity. Every FedEx/UPS truck I see driving around NYC has at least half a dozen parking tickets stuck under the wiper, and those tickets range from $65~$115 each.
 
2013-02-02 02:24:47 PM

EngineerAU: jjorsett: I propose a spate of postal service vehicle thefts and vandalism, followed by the states and cities saying, "Sorry, that's a federal problem."

Sure, they could say that but then the citizens of those cities and states might get upset when their cars are stolen or vandalized by people who were let go when caught by the local cops screwing around with postal vehicles.


The cops don't have to do it. Just a friendly, "We don't enforce the law when it comes to postal vehicles" is all it would take in most areas.  Chaos lurks just beneath the veneer of civilization.
 
2013-02-02 02:25:54 PM

Dman33: My dad used to work nights at a plant in Hamtramck and would take Cass in to the plant.  He said there are multiple instances were he genuinely feared for his life on his way to/from work.  I always wondered why he drove large late-70s tanks for his 'work car'.


Hamtramck was definitely the worst of all the plants out there.  Even Flint and Saginaw weren't as bad.  We kept a rusted out compact up at the technical center.  If you had to go to Hamtramck after hours you left your car at the tech center and went in with the crap car and a big ugly XXL jacket on to hide any nice clothes you might be wearing.  That car looked like crap but the power train was kept in pristine condition, because you absolutely did not want that car dying on you.

/it's pointless to carry a weapon
//I've been mugged twice, each time it was at least four people with multiple guns visible on their persons, hauling out my CCW would have just ensured I lost my wallet and ended up with some bullet holes in me
 
2013-02-02 02:28:11 PM

randomdevice: Yahoo article with embedded response to USPS lawyer: clicky here


If I'm reading that right, there's precedence for USPS allowing its drivers to be prosecuted locally, so I wouldn't be surprised if this works out in E. Cleveland's favor.
 
2013-02-02 02:33:06 PM

Devo: All I remember from my drivers ed class in high school

Q: A firetruck, a police car, a USPS truck, and an ambulance pull up to a four way stop at the same time. Which has the right of way?

A USPS truck


http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/fourway.asp

Nope.
 
2013-02-02 02:36:45 PM
Next step in this progression:  Lawyer sends USPS a picture of a subpoena.  Delivered by a couple of Deputies.
 
2013-02-02 02:40:00 PM

ha-ha-guy: Dman33: My dad used to work nights at a plant in Hamtramck and would take Cass in to the plant.  He said there are multiple instances were he genuinely feared for his life on his way to/from work.  I always wondered why he drove large late-70s tanks for his 'work car'.

Hamtramck was definitely the worst of all the plants out there.  Even Flint and Saginaw weren't as bad.  We kept a rusted out compact up at the technical center.  If you had to go to Hamtramck after hours you left your car at the tech center and went in with the crap car and a big ugly XXL jacket on to hide any nice clothes you might be wearing.  That car looked like crap but the power train was kept in pristine condition, because you absolutely did not want that car dying on you.

/it's pointless to carry a weapon
//I've been mugged twice, each time it was at least four people with multiple guns visible on their persons, hauling out my CCW would have just ensured I lost my wallet and ended up with some bullet holes in me


Partially related: I worked with a guy that got mugged in Flint. He didn't have any money on him so the loss of his wallet was more of an inconvenience. What really hurt was that they took his custom HK USP .40 he was carrying worth about $1k.

Concealed weapons are surprisingly ineffective against weapons that are already in your face.
 
2013-02-02 03:01:41 PM
Q: Why did the Edmund Fitzgerald sink?

A: It was headed for Cleveland.
 
2013-02-02 03:04:28 PM
"The Postal Service requires its employees to obey all traffic laws and rules while operating Postal Service vehicles. However, the state and/or local ordinances imposing penalties and fines cannot be enforced as against the Postal Service."

If there is no penalty for disobeying then it's not required.  It's suggested.

"I was unaware that the Post Office doesn't have to stop at red lights or obey the speed limit," he said. "But since they are..."

They speak English in East Cleveland?
 
2013-02-02 03:13:10 PM

ltdanman44: Guy: In response to your picture of my car, here is a picture of my check.


If it were a picture of a real check, then that wouldn't necessarily stop them depositing it.  It would have the routing info, and that's how a lot of the internet deposit things work anyways.
 
2013-02-02 03:15:11 PM

Wardrobe_Malfunction: I'll bet FedEx and UPS wish they had the same immunity. Every FedEx/UPS truck I see driving around NYC has at least half a dozen parking tickets stuck under the wiper, and those tickets range from $65~$115 each.


The police follow them around in NYC and SF just to ticket them... brings in millions of dollars in fines.. UPS and Fed Ex just eats the fine and pass it on to all of us
 
2013-02-02 03:18:39 PM
right. just like how a cop can rear end cars at 100 mph with their light bars off.
 
2013-02-02 03:31:16 PM

ErinPac: ltdanman44: Guy: In response to your picture of my car, here is a picture of my check.

If it were a picture of a real check, then that wouldn't necessarily stop them depositing it.  It would have the routing info, and that's how a lot of the internet deposit things work anyways.


Yeah, I can deposit pictures of checks through my phone
 
2013-02-02 03:33:18 PM
Why all the hate for Cleveland?
s3.postimage.org
CLEVELAND ROCKS!!
 
2013-02-02 03:45:31 PM
This one time, they sent a picture of me going through a red light. But since i was in east cleveland, i sent them back a picture of handcuffs, so they gave me a check.

/rolling into town next saturday to hit hilarities comedy club and stay downtown.for wifee-poos b-day
 
2013-02-02 03:47:33 PM

texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.


[citation needed]
 
2013-02-02 03:56:13 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.

[citation needed]



11/13/2007
Dallas, Texas Cameras Bank on Short Yellow Times
The top money-producing red light cameras in Dallas, Texas use short yellow warning times.

A local news investigation has found that the city of Dallas, Texas depends upon short yellow timing to maximize red light camera profit. Of the ten cameras that issue the greatest number of tickets in the city, seven are located at intersections where the yellow duration is shorter than the bare minimum recommended by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT), KDFW-TV found.

The city's second highest revenue producing camera, for example, is located at the intersection of Greenville Avenue and Mockingbird Lane. It issued 9407 tickets worth $705,525 between January 1 and August 31, 2007. At the intersections on Greenville Avenue leadding up to the camera intersection, however, yellows are at least 3.5 or 4.0 seconds in duration, but the ticket producing intersection's yellow stands at just 3.15 seconds. The yellow is .35 seconds shorter than TxDOT's recommended bare minimum.

"For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

A small change in signal timing can have a great effect on the number of tickets issued. About four out of every five red light camera citations are issued before even a second has elapsed after the light changed to red, according to a report by the California State Auditor. This suggests that most citations are issued to those surprised by a quick-changing signal light. Confidential documents obtained in a 2001 court trial proved that the city of San Diego, California and its red light camera vendor, now ACS, only installed red light cameras at intersections with high volumes and "Amber (yellow) phase less than 4 seconds."

Dallas likewise installed the cameras at locations with existing short yellow times. A total of twenty-one camera intersections in Dallas have yellow times below TxDOT's bare minimum recommended amount. The Texas Transportation Institute study also found that shorter yellows generate a 110 percent jump in the number of tickets, but at the cost of safety. Increasing the yellow one second above the recommended minimum cut crashes by 40 percent.

Since the Dallas intersection ticketing program launched last December, it has issued $13.5 million worth of automated citations from sixty camera locations. Beginning in September, however, Texas cities must split camera ticket profit with the state. To make up for lost revenue, Dallas plans to install forty more cameras. View KDFW's signal timing chart, a 44k PDF file.

Source: Investigation: Red Light Camera Red Alert (KDFW-TV (TX), 11/13/2007)

Regional News:
Other news about Dallas, Texas

Permanent Link for this item
Return to Front Page
 
2013-02-02 03:57:52 PM
www.rankopedia.com
 
2013-02-02 04:05:28 PM
sharing.kasa.com
 
2013-02-02 04:09:53 PM

HempHead: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.

[citation needed]


11/13/2007
Dallas, Texas Cameras Bank on Short Yellow Times
The top money-producing red light cameras in Dallas, Texas use short yellow warning times.

A local news investigation has found that the city of Dallas, Texas depends upon short yellow timing to maximize red light camera profit. Of the ten cameras that issue the greatest number of tickets in the city, seven are located at intersections where the yellow duration is shorter than the bare minimum recommended by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT), KDFW-TV found.

The city's second highest revenue producing camera, for example, is located at the intersection of Greenville Avenue and Mockingbird Lane. It issued 9407 tickets worth $705,525 between January 1 and August 31, 2007. At the intersections on Greenville Avenue leadding up to the camera intersection, however, yellows are at least 3.5 or 4.0 seconds in duration, but the ticket producing intersection's yellow stands at just 3.15 seconds. The yellow is .35 seconds shorter than TxDOT's recommended bare minimum.

"For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

A small change in signal timing can have a great effect on the number of tickets issued. About four out of every five red light camera citations are issued before even a second has elapsed after the light changed to red, according to a report by the California State Auditor. This suggests that most citations are issued to those surprised by a quick-changing signal light. Confidential documents obtained in a 2001 court trial proved that the city of San Diego, California and its red light camera vendor, now ACS, only installed red light cameras at intersections with high volumes and "Amber (yellow) phase less than 4 seconds."

Dallas likewise installed the cameras at locations with existing short yellow times. A total of twenty-one camera intersections in Dallas have yellow times below TxDOT's bare minimum recommended amount. The Texas Transportation Institute study also found that shorter yellows generate a 110 percent jump in the number of tickets, but at the cost of safety. Increasing the yellow one second above the recommended minimum cut crashes by 40 percent.

Since the Dallas intersection ticketing program launched last December, it has issued $13.5 million worth of automated citations from sixty camera locations. Beginning in September, however, Texas cities must split camera ticket profit with the state. To make up for lost revenue, Dallas plans to install forty more cameras. View KDFW's signal timing chart, a 44k PDF file.

Source: Investigation: Red Light Camera Red Alert (KDFW-TV (TX), 11/13/2007)

Regional News:
Other news about Dallas, Texas

Permanent Link for this item
Return to Front Page


Still waiting for citation of "caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights." That is far from choosing to install them at intersections where yellow times are already short.

Also, do you know how the internet works? There are these nifty things called hyperlinks....
 
2013-02-02 04:22:34 PM

Precision Boobery: "The Postal Service requires its employees to obey all traffic laws and rules while operating Postal Service vehicles. However, the state and/or local ordinances imposing penalties and fines cannot be enforced as against the Postal Service."

If there is no penalty for disobeying then it's not required.  It's suggested.

"I was unaware that the Post Office doesn't have to stop at red lights or obey the speed limit," he said. "But since they are..."

They speak English in East Cleveland?


The proposed new Post Office Motto also fails at grammar: Neither snow, nor rain, nor heat, nor gloom of night, nor traffic lights stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.
 
2013-02-02 04:28:53 PM
w00ty: right. just like how a cop can rear end cars at 100 mph with their light bars off.


Yeah a cop pulled out at night with no lights ( no headlights etc) and got t boned by our network admin. cop swore his lights were on as well as blue lights responding. They gave him a ticket and threatened to jail him. They claimed they had witnesses etc.
Network admin took his lumps that night and took it to court. Cops tried to rough him up and at trial tacked on more charges and brought the witnesses. Network admin let them all testify and then pulled out his laptop with the dashcam video from his car as well as from the police car. Video the PD claimed didn't existed because the car didn't have an active camera.
He got enough out of them to buy a nice new car. The judge dismissed the case and when he left was screaming at everyone.

/don't lie about your mistakes
//don't do it to someone who knows more about computers than you
///don't do it to the brother of the county it dept who can find out the truth and crucify you with it
 
2013-02-02 04:41:43 PM

aseras: w00ty: right. just like how a cop can rear end cars at 100 mph with their light bars off.


Yeah a cop pulled out at night with no lights ( no headlights etc) and got t boned by our network admin. cop swore his lights were on as well as blue lights responding. They gave him a ticket and threatened to jail him. They claimed they had witnesses etc.
Network admin took his lumps that night and took it to court. Cops tried to rough him up and at trial tacked on more charges and brought the witnesses. Network admin let them all testify and then pulled out his laptop with the dashcam video from his car as well as from the police car. Video the PD claimed didn't existed because the car didn't have an active camera.
He got enough out of them to buy a nice new car. The judge dismissed the case and when he left was screaming at everyone.

/don't lie about your mistakes
//don't do it to someone who knows more about computers than you
///don't do it to the brother of the county it dept who can find out the truth and crucify you with it


Yep, going Russian style with the dashcams is the best way to go to cover your ass these days.
 
2013-02-02 04:54:37 PM
I spoke with my mailman awhile back, when I saw a couple police cruisers parked by the mail van, and the cops talking to him. He said that the police were canvassing the area looking for a missing child. He said it was funny, because the police are generally under instructions not to approach a mail van or letter carrier. That struck me as a bit odd at the time.
 
2013-02-02 04:55:28 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Why all the hate for Cleveland?


Because it's in Ohio.
 
2013-02-02 05:00:20 PM
Speak for yourself. This man is a saint.

l.yimg.com
 
2013-02-02 05:03:00 PM

redmid17: Speak for yourself. This man is a saint.

[l.yimg.com image 600x399]


whoops wrong thread
 
2013-02-02 05:07:00 PM
This is because photo enforcement isn't against a driver committing an offense but against the owner of a vehicle that the owner of an automatic camera claims was used in an offense. In this case the owner of the vehicle is a federal agency which has sovereign immunity.

Photo enforcement is stupid and probably unconstitutional against anyone because it really is not the same thing as being stopped by a police officer.
 
2013-02-02 05:10:18 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: HempHead: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.

[citation needed]


11/13/2007
Dallas, Texas Cameras Bank on Short Yellow Times
The top money-producing red light cameras in Dallas, Texas use short yellow warning times.

A local news investigation has found that the city of Dallas, Texas depends upon short yellow timing to maximize red light camera profit. Of the ten cameras that issue the greatest number of tickets in the city, seven are located at intersections where the yellow duration is shorter than the bare minimum recommended by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT), KDFW-TV found.

The city's second highest revenue producing camera, for example, is located at the intersection of Greenville Avenue and Mockingbird Lane. It issued 9407 tickets worth $705,525 between January 1 and August 31, 2007. At the intersections on Greenville Avenue leadding up to the camera intersection, however, yellows are at least 3.5 or 4.0 seconds in duration, but the ticket producing intersection's yellow stands at just 3.15 seconds. The yellow is .35 seconds shorter than TxDOT's recommended bare minimum.

"For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

A small change in signal timing can have a great effect on the number of tickets issued. About four out of every five red light camera citations are issued before even a second has elapsed after the light changed to red, according to a report by the California State Auditor. This suggests that most citations are issued to those surprised by a quick-changing signal ...


Apparently you don't know how the internet works either or you would just google that easily found info yourself.
 
2013-02-02 05:13:41 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: HempHead: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.

[citation needed]


11/13/2007
Dallas, Texas Cameras Bank on Short Yellow Times
The top money-producing red light cameras in Dallas, Texas use short yellow warning times.

A local news investigation has found that the city of Dallas, Texas depends upon short yellow timing to maximize red light camera profit. Of the ten cameras that issue the greatest number of tickets in the city, seven are located at intersections where the yellow duration is shorter than the bare minimum recommended by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT), KDFW-TV found.

The city's second highest revenue producing camera, for example, is located at the intersection of Greenville Avenue and Mockingbird Lane. It issued 9407 tickets worth $705,525 between January 1 and August 31, 2007. At the intersections on Greenville Avenue leadding up to the camera intersection, however, yellows are at least 3.5 or 4.0 seconds in duration, but the ticket producing intersection's yellow stands at just 3.15 seconds. The yellow is .35 seconds shorter than TxDOT's recommended bare minimum.

"For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

A small change in signal timing can have a great effect on the number of tickets issued. About four out of every five red light camera citations are issued before even a second has elapsed after the light changed to red, according to a report by the California State Auditor. This suggests that most citations are issued to those surprised by a quick-changing signal ...

Apparently you don't know how the internet works either or you would just google that easily found info yourself.


Sorry, pal, but nobody has posted the citation I requested. I guess you can't use google then because you didn't post it either. Deuche.
 
2013-02-02 05:18:36 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: HempHead: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.

[citation needed]


11/13/2007
Dallas, Texas Cameras Bank on Short Yellow Times
The top money-producing red light cameras in Dallas, Texas use short yellow warning times.

A local news investigation has found that the city of Dallas, Texas depends upon short yellow timing to maximize red light camera profit. Of the ten cameras that issue the greatest number of tickets in the city, seven are located at intersections where the yellow duration is shorter than the bare minimum recommended by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT), KDFW-TV found.

The city's second highest revenue producing camera, for example, is located at the intersection of Greenville Avenue and Mockingbird Lane. It issued 9407 tickets worth $705,525 between January 1 and August 31, 2007. At the intersections on Greenville Avenue leadding up to the camera intersection, however, yellows are at least 3.5 or 4.0 seconds in duration, but the ticket producing intersection's yellow stands at just 3.15 seconds. The yellow is .35 seconds shorter than TxDOT's recommended bare minimum.

"For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

A small change in signal timing can have a great effect on the number of tickets issued. About four out of every five red light camera citations are issued before even a second has elapsed after the light changed to red, according to a report by the California State Auditor. This suggests that most citations are ...


I guess we can add spelling to the things that you have difficulty with then either.

Why would I possibly look such an easily verifiable fact for someone who is whiteknighting the
red light camera companies. You're a shill, and it doesn't matter what info I present to you, you'll never change.
 
2013-02-02 05:24:15 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: HempHead: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.

[citation needed]


11/13/2007
Dallas, Texas Cameras Bank on Short Yellow Times
The top money-producing red light cameras in Dallas, Texas use short yellow warning times.

A local news investigation has found that the city of Dallas, Texas depends upon short yellow timing to maximize red light camera profit. Of the ten cameras that issue the greatest number of tickets in the city, seven are located at intersections where the yellow duration is shorter than the bare minimum recommended by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT), KDFW-TV found.

The city's second highest revenue producing camera, for example, is located at the intersection of Greenville Avenue and Mockingbird Lane. It issued 9407 tickets worth $705,525 between January 1 and August 31, 2007. At the intersections on Greenville Avenue leadding up to the camera intersection, however, yellows are at least 3.5 or 4.0 seconds in duration, but the ticket producing intersection's yellow stands at just 3.15 seconds. The yellow is .35 seconds shorter than TxDOT's recommended bare minimum.

"For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

A small change in signal timing can have a great effect on the number of tickets issued. About four out of every five red light camera citations are issued before even a second has elapsed after the light changed to red, according to a report by the California State Auditor. This suggests that most citations are ...

I guess we can add spelling to the things that you have difficulty with then either.

Why would I possibly look such an easily verifiable fact for someone who is whiteknighting the
red light camera companies. You're a shill, and it doesn't matter what info I present to you, you'll never change.


Still waiting for evidence of this:

"The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets."

Crickets...
 
2013-02-02 05:26:10 PM

aseras: w00ty: right. just like how a cop can rear end cars at 100 mph with their light bars off.


Yeah a cop pulled out at night with no lights ( no headlights etc) and got t boned by our network admin. cop swore his lights were on as well as blue lights responding. They gave him a ticket and threatened to jail him. They claimed they had witnesses etc.
Network admin took his lumps that night and took it to court. Cops tried to rough him up and at trial tacked on more charges and brought the witnesses. Network admin let them all testify and then pulled out his laptop with the dashcam video from his car as well as from the police car. Video the PD claimed didn't existed because the car didn't have an active camera.
He got enough out of them to buy a nice new car. The judge dismissed the case and when he left was screaming at everyone.

/don't lie about your mistakes
//don't do it to someone who knows more about computers than you
///don't do it to the brother of the county it dept who can find out the truth and crucify you with it


Just out of curiousity, how did your network admin get the dashcam footage from the cop car?

Or am I reading that wrong?
 
2013-02-02 05:32:38 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: HempHead: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.

[citation needed]


11/13/2007
Dallas, Texas Cameras Bank on Short Yellow Times
The top money-producing red light cameras in Dallas, Texas use short yellow warning times.

A local news investigation has found that the city of Dallas, Texas depends upon short yellow timing to maximize red light camera profit. Of the ten cameras that issue the greatest number of tickets in the city, seven are located at intersections where the yellow duration is shorter than the bare minimum recommended by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT), KDFW-TV found.

The city's second highest revenue producing camera, for example, is located at the intersection of Greenville Avenue and Mockingbird Lane. It issued 9407 tickets worth $705,525 between January 1 and August 31, 2007. At the intersections on Greenville Avenue leadding up to the camera intersection, however, yellows are at least 3.5 or 4.0 seconds in duration, but the ticket producing intersection's yellow stands at just 3.15 seconds. The yellow is .35 seconds shorter than TxDOT's recommended bare minimum.

"For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

A small change in signal timing can have a great effect on the number of tickets issued. About four out of every five red light camera citations are issued before even a second has elapsed after the light changed to red, according to a report by the California ...


Did you not see the answer above? You're not worth anyone's time, and this is the last of mine you're getting, shill.
 
2013-02-02 05:40:34 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Still waiting for evidence of this:

"The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets."

Crickets...


http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1759.asp

Of course, it isn't usually the company doing it (I'm not aware of anywhere where ATS or other red light camera company can adjust the light timing), but the municipalities have occasionally done such. Usually it's more just a general tendency toward too-short yellows anyway.

If safety is the concern, then longer yellows can usually get the same thing done without installation of cameras or anything else. Problem is, that doesn't generate revenue.
 
2013-02-02 05:44:43 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: HempHead: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.

[citation needed]


11/13/2007
Dallas, Texas Cameras Bank on Short Yellow Times
The top money-producing red light cameras in Dallas, Texas use short yellow warning times.

A local news investigation has found that the city of Dallas, Texas depends upon short yellow timing to maximize red light camera profit. Of the ten cameras that issue the greatest number of tickets in the city, seven are located at intersections where the yellow duration is shorter than the bare minimum recommended by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT), KDFW-TV found.

The city's second highest revenue producing camera, for example, is located at the intersection of Greenville Avenue and Mockingbird Lane. It issued 9407 tickets worth $705,525 between January 1 and August 31, 2007. At the intersections on Greenville Avenue leadding up to the camera intersection, however, yellows are at least 3.5 or 4.0 seconds in duration, but the ticket producing intersection's yellow stands at just 3.15 seconds. The yellow is .35 seconds shorter than TxDOT's recommended bare minimum.

"For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

A small change in signal timing can have a great effect on the number of tickets issued. About four out of every five red light camera citations are issued before even a second has elapsed after the light changed to red, according to a report by the California ...

Did you not see the answer above? You're not worth anyone's time, and this is the last of mine you're getting, shill.


There is no answer because IT NEVER HAPPENED. No red light camera company has ever been caught changing the light timing of traffic lights. Do city managers choose the intersections with the shortest yellow light times when figuring out which ones get the cameras? Of course they do, that is just good financial sense.

And who am I shilling for, exactly? I have no ties to red light camera makers at all. I just don't want to get hit by assholes like you who think that red lights are just "suggestions". Good to know I have outed another liar who posts bullshiat on the internet.

Maybe you should spend your time learning how to obey traffic laws instead of losing arguments on the internet. Might be cheaper for you in the long run.
 
2013-02-02 05:49:01 PM

akula: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Still waiting for evidence of this:

"The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets."

Crickets...

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1759.asp

Of course, it isn't usually the company doing it (I'm not aware of anywhere where ATS or other red light camera company can adjust the light timing), but the municipalities have occasionally done such. Usually it's more just a general tendency toward too-short yellows anyway.

If safety is the concern, then longer yellows can usually get the same thing done without installation of cameras or anything else. Problem is, that doesn't generate revenue.


Oh yeah I have no doubt that government does that sort of thing. But that wasn't what the original poster (and that idiot nachodonkeyfellater above) claimed. Glad that I was vindicated as having been correct this whole time.
 
2013-02-02 05:50:20 PM

ltdanman44: [blog.nola.com image 453x489]

Police : Busted! send me a check!

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x323]
Guy:  In response to your picture of my car, here is a picture of my check.

[ladyarse.co.uk image 768x523]

Police:  In response to your picture of a check, here is a picture of my handcuffs.


Guy:  I'll pay the fine.


Why didn't he send a picture of bail money? Then the cops could send a pic of a courtroom and the guy could send a pic of Johnny Cochran holding a pic of a monkey?
 
2013-02-02 05:52:02 PM
the red light cameras are owned and operated by a private company, American Traffic Solutions.

ATS is owned by Goldman Sachs.

So should a private Wall Street bank be allowed to tax quasi-governmental agencies and thus shift the fines as a sort of tax on the rest of us?
 
2013-02-02 05:53:42 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: HempHead: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.

[citation needed]


11/13/2007
Dallas, Texas Cameras Bank on Short Yellow Times
The top money-producing red light cameras in Dallas, Texas use short yellow warning times.

A local news investigation has found that the city of Dallas, Texas depends upon short yellow timing to maximize red light camera profit. Of the ten cameras that issue the greatest number of tickets in the city, seven are located at intersections where the yellow duration is shorter than the bare minimum recommended by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT), KDFW-TV found.

The city's second highest revenue producing camera, for example, is located at the intersection of Greenville Avenue and Mockingbird Lane. It issued 9407 tickets worth $705,525 between January 1 and August 31, 2007. At the intersections on Greenville Avenue leadding up to the camera intersection, however, yellows are at least 3.5 or 4.0 seconds in duration, but the ticket producing intersection's yellow stands at just 3.15 seconds. The yellow is .35 seconds shorter than TxDOT's recommended bare minimum.

"For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

A small change in signal timing can have a great effect on the number of tickets issued. About four out of every five red light camera citations are issued before even a second has elapsed after the light cha ...


The manager doesn't "choose" those intersections. They take work with ATS or Redflex and pick the most heavily trafficked intersections, shorten the yellow, and nail people for running the reds. ATS might not be setting the lower times but it's 50/50 between them and the city for blame. Both are just trying to generate revenue. ATS is easily as much to blame as the municipal government.
 
2013-02-02 05:59:45 PM

Giltric: Know a guy who sent a picture of cash to the police in response to their picture of his car running a red light.
The police responded by sending a picture of handcuffs. At least they have a sense of humor when they arent shooting dogs or trying to hookup with 14 year olds in chat rooms.


Shouldn't the picture of cash gone to the courts, not the police?
 
2013-02-02 06:03:03 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Day_Old_Dutchie: Why all the hate for Cleveland?

Because it's in Ohio.


It's not Cleveland, it's East Cleveland. & it's not hate, it's reality. Reality mixed in with a healthy dose of sadness.

& fear.
 
2013-02-02 06:07:26 PM

redmid17: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: machodonkeywrestler: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: HempHead: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.

[citation needed]


11/13/2007
Dallas, Texas Cameras Bank on Short Yellow Times
The top money-producing red light cameras in Dallas, Texas use short yellow warning times.

A local news investigation has found that the city of Dallas, Texas depends upon short yellow timing to maximize red light camera profit. Of the ten cameras that issue the greatest number of tickets in the city, seven are located at intersections where the yellow duration is shorter than the bare minimum recommended by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT), KDFW-TV found.

The city's second highest revenue producing camera, for example, is located at the intersection of Greenville Avenue and Mockingbird Lane. It issued 9407 tickets worth $705,525 between January 1 and August 31, 2007. At the intersections on Greenville Avenue leadding up to the camera intersection, however, yellows are at least 3.5 or 4.0 seconds in duration, but the ticket producing intersection's yellow stands at just 3.15 seconds. The yellow is .35 seconds shorter than TxDOT's recommended bare minimum.

"For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

A small change in signal timing can have a great effect on the number of tickets issued. About four out of every five red light camera citations are issued before even a second has elapsed after the light cha ...

The manager doesn't "choose" those intersections. They take work with ATS or Redflex and pick the most heavily trafficked intersections, shorten the yellow, and nail people for running the reds. ATS might not be setting the lower times but it's 50/50 between them and the city for blame. Both are just trying to generate revenue. ATS is easily as much to blame as the municipal government.


Good to know we have someone here on Fark who was in the room and witnessed this collusion. Why don't you speak up next time and tell them how wrong it is?

Still doesn't change the fact that shortening the yellow lights only punishes those assholes who speed up when they see one, which is the opposite of what you are supposed to do. A lot of people *talk* about safety being the important issue, then out of the other side of their mouth champion the practice of speeding up to "beat" a yellow light.
 
2013-02-02 06:08:44 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: akula: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Still waiting for evidence of this:

"The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets."

Crickets...

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1759.asp

Of course, it isn't usually the company doing it (I'm not aware of anywhere where ATS or other red light camera company can adjust the light timing), but the municipalities have occasionally done such. Usually it's more just a general tendency toward too-short yellows anyway.

If safety is the concern, then longer yellows can usually get the same thing done without installation of cameras or anything else. Problem is, that doesn't generate revenue.

Oh yeah I have no doubt that government does that sort of thing. But that wasn't what the original poster (and that idiot nachodonkeyfellater above) claimed. Glad that I was vindicated as having been correct this whole time.


If you knew it was the government the whole time why didn't you just say so instead of paying that stupid game?
 
2013-02-02 06:12:48 PM

occamswrist: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: akula: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Still waiting for evidence of this:

"The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets."

Crickets...

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1759.asp

Of course, it isn't usually the company doing it (I'm not aware of anywhere where ATS or other red light camera company can adjust the light timing), but the municipalities have occasionally done such. Usually it's more just a general tendency toward too-short yellows anyway.

If safety is the concern, then longer yellows can usually get the same thing done without installation of cameras or anything else. Problem is, that doesn't generate revenue.

Oh yeah I have no doubt that government does that sort of thing. But that wasn't what the original poster (and that idiot nachodonkeyfellater above) claimed. Glad that I was vindicated as having been correct this whole time.

If you knew it was the government the whole time why didn't you just say so instead of paying that stupid game?


Not playing games. Someone early in the thread claimed that private companies were reprogramming traffic lights and I asked for a citation. None has been provided. It's not my fault if other people jump into a conversation without understanding said conversation.
 
2013-02-02 06:14:09 PM
E-Penis fight!
 
2013-02-02 06:17:16 PM

MethylTryp: LibertyHiller:
If you're screeching to a halt at any time, you're not paying attention. I've been driving here for 25 years, and I could probably come up with another 25 intersections that need them, just off the top of my head.

Old person spotted.


Still in my forties, which to you is probably decrepit.
 
2013-02-02 06:48:19 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Good to know we have someone here on Fark who was in the room and witnessed this collusion. Why don't you speak up next time and tell them how wrong it is?

Still doesn't change the fact that shortening the yellow lights only punishes those assholes who speed up when they see one, which is the opposite of what you are supposed to do. A lot of people *talk* about safety being the important issue, then out of the other side of their mouth champion the practice of speeding up to "beat" a yellow light.


Next time it comes up for a vote, you can bet I will. Also why do you think cities and counties install these lights? It's for the revenue, not the safety. There's a reason why they justify the cost and expensive contract with revenue projections....

Instead of being an obtuse moron, realize that these particular contraptions are extremely controversial, at best, for a reason. Given that many cities have dumped cash at ATS to get out of the shiatty contracts, you're pretty easily on the wrong side of this one.
 
2013-02-02 07:02:53 PM

redmid17: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Good to know we have someone here on Fark who was in the room and witnessed this collusion. Why don't you speak up next time and tell them how wrong it is?

Still doesn't change the fact that shortening the yellow lights only punishes those assholes who speed up when they see one, which is the opposite of what you are supposed to do. A lot of people *talk* about safety being the important issue, then out of the other side of their mouth champion the practice of speeding up to "beat" a yellow light.

Next time it comes up for a vote, you can bet I will. Also why do you think cities and counties install these lights? It's for the revenue, not the safety. There's a reason why they justify the cost and expensive contract with revenue projections....

Instead of being an obtuse moron, realize that these particular contraptions are extremely controversial, at best, for a reason. Given that many cities have dumped cash at ATS to get out of the shiatty contracts, you're pretty easily on the wrong side of this one.


Given that nobody has posted a link proving the traffic camera companies were reprogramming traffic light timing, I'm pretty sure I'm still on the right side of the argument I was participating in. Not sure what you were reading.
 
2013-02-02 07:45:36 PM

t3knomanser: In their defense, you can't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.


Is that where you see the poor people all wait for busses? Or where you can buy a house for the price of a VCR?
 
2013-02-02 07:55:50 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: redmid17: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Good to know we have someone here on Fark who was in the room and witnessed this collusion. Why don't you speak up next time and tell them how wrong it is?

Still doesn't change the fact that shortening the yellow lights only punishes those assholes who speed up when they see one, which is the opposite of what you are supposed to do. A lot of people *talk* about safety being the important issue, then out of the other side of their mouth champion the practice of speeding up to "beat" a yellow light.

Next time it comes up for a vote, you can bet I will. Also why do you think cities and counties install these lights? It's for the revenue, not the safety. There's a reason why they justify the cost and expensive contract with revenue projections....

Instead of being an obtuse moron, realize that these particular contraptions are extremely controversial, at best, for a reason. Given that many cities have dumped cash at ATS to get out of the shiatty contracts, you're pretty easily on the wrong side of this one.

Given that nobody has posted a link proving the traffic camera companies were reprogramming traffic light timing, I'm pretty sure I'm still on the right side of the argument I was participating in. Not sure what you were reading.


You seem to be on the side of the red light camera enforcement, which says enough about you in the first place. There is a direct correlation between the intersections chose by the ticketing companies and the intersections with the shortened yellows. At best, the municipalities and the companies are working together to shorten lights and maximize revenue. At worst, the companies are dictating how long the lights should be to generate revenue.

These lights are farking jokes.

Anderson added Friday that if a city employee in the future had to travel to Arizona to get training or certification related to the traffic enforcement camera operations, he likely would approve such a trip.

"That, I would think, is not discretionary," Anderson said, because "we're talking about very important revenue streams for the city" that are a function of an existing contract.


-Eric Anderson is the city manager of Tacoma, Washington

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2010/05/18/tacoma-council- memb ers-to-remove-boycott-language-from-tonights-proposal-on-arizona/

Except the boycott leaves out the only meaningful contract the city has with an Arizona company - the 30 red-light cameras that spit out tickets and rake in millions for the city.

McGinn answered bluntly when asked why the red-light cameras contract was not part of the boycott.

"You may have noticed we have a budget deficit here," he said.


-Mike McGinn, Mayor of Seattle

http://seattletimes.com/html/dannywestneat/2011897563_danny19.html


http://blog.motorists.org/6-cities-that-were-caught-shortening-yello w- light-times-for-profit/

http://blog.motorists.org/red-light-camera-cash-machine/


But in case you were really looking for evidence that ATS and related companies were influencing the length of the yellow light:
Some contracts that municipalities have signed with camera vendors include provisions that inhibit local authorities from determining and setting their own appropriate yellow light timing. For example, the city of Bell Gardens, California signed a contract with Redflex in 2008 that would penalize the city if it chooses to alter yellow light timing at intersections where cameras are installed. Contract language gives Redflex the option to penalize the city by nullifying the cost-neutral protections in the contract if it "fails to maintain the minimum yellow light change interval as established by the Institute of Transportation Engineers [ITE]." The cities of Citrus Heights, Hawthorne and Corona, California have similarly structured contracts with Redflex.  In 2001, a lawsuit against San Diego'scamera program revealed documents showing that the vendor prioritized intersections with short yellow signal timing, high traffic volume, and downhill approaches-all factors that would tend to increase citation volume and thus revenue-for camera placement. The intersections where cameras were placed were not necessarily the intersections with the largest number of accidents.

http://uspirg.org/sites/pirg/files/reports/Caution---Red-Light-Camer as -Ahead.pdf 

Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/politics/2010/05/18/tacoma-council-mem b ers-to-remove-boycott-language-from-tonights-proposal-on-arizona/#stor ylink=cpyfor the tl;dr crowd, you are very wrong.
 
2013-02-02 08:45:21 PM
"I was unaware that the Post Office doesn't have to stop at red lights or obey the speed limit," he said. "But since they are, I wish I'd get my mail faster."

Brilliant!
 
2013-02-02 09:01:39 PM
Fire them all, start from scratch.

(seriously)
 
2013-02-02 09:48:37 PM
The only problem with the state and local immunity is the law the was broken was written by the US Dept of Transport which is a federal agency and they are clear that the local police have jurisdiction.  Its like tickets given by local police on US DOD bases.  Sure the MPs would prefer local police let them deal with the matter but if your driving pisses off a visiting cop enough that he pulls you over, they will be happy to sit and let him write the ticket ... and then they will deal with you too.
 
2013-02-02 09:53:56 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Still doesn't change the fact that shortening the yellow lights only punishes those assholes who speed up when they see one, which is the opposite of what you are supposed to do. A lot of people *talk* about safety being the important issue, then out of the other side of their mouth champion the practice of speeding up to "beat" a yellow light.


redmid17: "For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.


In other words, EQF4J is a pile of dumbass.
 
2013-02-02 09:59:52 PM
stop feeding trolls
 
2013-02-02 10:08:22 PM

RminusQ: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Still doesn't change the fact that shortening the yellow lights only punishes those assholes who speed up when they see one, which is the opposite of what you are supposed to do. A lot of people *talk* about safety being the important issue, then out of the other side of their mouth champion the practice of speeding up to "beat" a yellow light.

redmid17: "For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

In other words, EQF4J is a pile of dumbass.


I guarantee I am smarter than you.
 
2013-02-02 10:14:40 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: RminusQ: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Still doesn't change the fact that shortening the yellow lights only punishes those assholes who speed up when they see one, which is the opposite of what you are supposed to do. A lot of people *talk* about safety being the important issue, then out of the other side of their mouth champion the practice of speeding up to "beat" a yellow light.

redmid17: "For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

In other words, EQF4J is a pile of dumbass.

I guarantee I am smarter than you.


Not in this debate. You already lost. Walk away
 
2013-02-02 10:22:53 PM

redmid17: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: RminusQ: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Still doesn't change the fact that shortening the yellow lights only punishes those assholes who speed up when they see one, which is the opposite of what you are supposed to do. A lot of people *talk* about safety being the important issue, then out of the other side of their mouth champion the practice of speeding up to "beat" a yellow light.

redmid17: "For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

In other words, EQF4J is a pile of dumbass.

I guarantee I am smarter than you.

Not in this debate. You already lost. Walk away


Wasn't talking to you. Now mind your own business and go back to spending way too much time doing my research for me.
 
2013-02-02 10:26:21 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: redmid17: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: RminusQ: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Still doesn't change the fact that shortening the yellow lights only punishes those assholes who speed up when they see one, which is the opposite of what you are supposed to do. A lot of people *talk* about safety being the important issue, then out of the other side of their mouth champion the practice of speeding up to "beat" a yellow light.

redmid17: "For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

In other words, EQF4J is a pile of dumbass.

I guarantee I am smarter than you.

Not in this debate. You already lost. Walk away

Wasn't talking to you. Now mind your own business and go back to spending way too much time doing my research for me.


Quit walking around like you're actually making a point, let alone a correct one and maybe you'd have a leg to stand on. Run along now
 
2013-02-02 10:42:18 PM

Devo: All I remember from my drivers ed class in high school

Q: A firetruck, a police car, a USPS truck, and an ambulance pull up to a four way stop at the same time. Which has the right of way?

A USPS truck


The answer is easy and is the same in ANY situation with ANY mix of vehicles coming to an intersection. The vehicle that has the right of way is the vehicle that had the right of way YIELDED to it by the others. No vehicle ever CLAIMS the right if way. It's a matter of push rather than pull if you think of it in logistical terms.
 
2013-02-02 10:59:54 PM

muddythinker: The fact that the USPS is a quasi governmental organization screws the consumer.  For example, suppose you mail a package, insure it, and it's damaged.  The Postal Service has various exceptions to its damage rules, such as if the package exterior is not damaged you cannot collect.  How is one supposed to know this?  Now if you are UPS you have to give notice to a consumer about the terms of the insurance.  But the USPS does not have to, because it is a governmental entity and judges have ruled that consumers are obligated to know these federal regulations, just like you are supposed to "know" the tax code.  Somewhere buried deep in the Code of Federal Regulations you'll find this crap, and the Postal Service uses these hidden rules to screw consumers.


The USPS is also exempt from most taxes. No fuel taxes, road use taxes, tolls, property taxes, ect.
 
2013-02-02 11:54:54 PM

pedrop357: RminusQ: pedrop357: Between this and their immunity to parking tickets, I wonder what other traffic laws USPS vehicles can violate.

According to the article, all of them. "However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation."

I wonder if that extends to the driver.

If so, it could make for interesting applications in traffic crashes-who's at fault if a USPS truck blows a light and hits another car?


Jesus.
 
2013-02-03 12:03:36 AM

Precision Boobery: "The Postal Service requires its employees to obey all traffic laws and rules while operating Postal Service vehicles. However, the state and/or local ordinances imposing penalties and fines cannot be enforced as against the Postal Service."

If there is no penalty for disobeying then it's not required.  It's suggested.

"I was unaware that the Post Office doesn't have to stop at red lights or obey the speed limit," he said. "But since they are..."

They speak English in East Cleveland?


Not the woman I argued with Thursday night about what was on sale. You know, the stuff with the sale sign hanging on it.
 
2013-02-03 01:58:38 AM
I love how ATS seems to be posturing here as a quasi-law-enforcement agency.

Strange thought: is this USPS required to pick up mail from them? I know they have to deliver incoming mail once they have taken custody of it, but I know of no specific law or regulation requiring them to provide pickup service. I've certainly had outgoing mail passed over at my house when the carrier had no incoming mail for me.

Also, fark ATS with a white-hot barbed poker. Thank you.
 
2013-02-03 02:14:38 AM

Benjimin_Dover: Devo: All I remember from my drivers ed class in high school

Q: A firetruck, a police car, a USPS truck, and an ambulance pull up to a four way stop at the same time. Which has the right of way?

A USPS truck

The answer is easy and is the same in ANY situation with ANY mix of vehicles coming to an intersection. The vehicle that has the right of way is the vehicle that had the right of way YIELDED to it by the others. No vehicle ever CLAIMS the right if way. It's a matter of push rather than pull if you think of it in logistical terms.


In the old cow-town I used to live in, you would routinely see all four drivers attempting to yield to each other. At some point, they would all simultaneously creep forward, them simultaneously slam on their brakes to start the process again. Similarly frustrating is when everyone thinks they're required to spend five full seconds on the stop line even when they drive up just as the guy next to or across from them starts going, so you end up with one person going at a time and endless starts and stops at a big intersection.

Every so often, I even see it on the outskirts of town here. I head it off by taking the intersection ASAP when everyone else is indecisive.
 
2013-02-03 02:35:37 AM

Wardrobe_Malfunction: I'll bet FedEx and UPS wish they had the same immunity. Every FedEx/UPS truck I see driving around NYC has at least half a dozen parking tickets stuck under the wiper, and those tickets range from $65~$115 each.


Why do you think they use USPS for the "last mile" deliveries?
 
2013-02-03 02:49:14 AM
Why don't school buses have seat belts? Because they are immune to the laws. Get over it citizen your rules and our rules are different.

I do like them flipping the bird at the red light cameras. I got one of those tickets. Going
 
2013-02-03 02:57:56 AM
What the? Nice bug there.

I got one of those tickets skidding into a light at
So then the choice is hire lawyer and fight a 50 dollar ticket or pay the fine and not get any points on my license. Which one is easier? Which one would cost $3000 and lead to lost sleep?

The cynicism is extreme. Make the fine $1000 and add 2 points if you really want to make the world a better place. However, like any parasite they make it just enough that people pay it out of hand. Don't kill the host just suck it's blood.
 
2013-02-03 03:00:13 AM
What the? Nice bug there. Third time I guess. I'm sorry for spam but I'm not truncating my lines the server is.

I got one of those tickets skidding into a light at 20 miles per hour on a snow packed street.

So then the choice is hire lawyer and fight a 50 dollar ticket or pay the fine and not get any points on my license. Which one is easier? Which one would cost $3000 and lead to lost sleep?

The cynicism is extreme. Make the fine $1000 and add 2 points if you really want to make the world a better place. However, like any parasite they make it just enough that people pay it out of hand. Don't kill the host just suck it's blood.
 
2013-02-03 03:02:20 AM

bestie1: What the? Nice bug there. Third time I guess. I'm sorry for spam but I'm not truncating my lines the server is.

I got one of those tickets skidding into a light at 20 miles per hour on a snow packed street.

So then the choice is hire lawyer and fight a 50 dollar ticket or pay the fine and not get any points on my license. Which one is easier? Which one would cost $3000 and lead to lost sleep?

The cynicism is extreme. Make the fine $1000 and add 2 points if you really want to make the world a better place. However, like any parasite they make it just enough that people pay it out of hand. Don't kill the host just suck it's blood.


Man pass along whatever you are smoking or drinking
 
2013-02-03 03:25:00 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: redmid17: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: RminusQ: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Still doesn't change the fact that shortening the yellow lights only punishes those assholes who speed up when they see one, which is the opposite of what you are supposed to do. A lot of people *talk* about safety being the important issue, then out of the other side of their mouth champion the practice of speeding up to "beat" a yellow light.

redmid17: "For 30 miles per hour, if your yellow time was less than three and a half, you would not be giving that driver enough time to react and brake and stop prior to getting to the intersection," TxDOT Dallas District office transportation engineer supervisor Chris Blain told KDFW.

In other words, EQF4J is a pile of dumbass.

I guarantee I am smarter than you.
y man
Not in this debate. You already lost. Walk away

Wasn't talking to you. Now mind your own business and go back to spending way too much time doing my research for me.


Just wanted to remind you you're an idiot. Ask for a citation, and you are brushed away easily. Come back with an idiotic assertion that was proven false in the thread before you posted and you cried that people called you a dumbass. Banner day for you my man.
 
2013-02-03 10:44:37 AM

foxyshadis: Benjimin_Dover: Devo: All I remember from my drivers ed class in high school

Q: A firetruck, a police car, a USPS truck, and an ambulance pull up to a four way stop at the same time. Which has the right of way?

A USPS truck

The answer is easy and is the same in ANY situation with ANY mix of vehicles coming to an intersection. The vehicle that has the right of way is the vehicle that had the right of way YIELDED to it by the others. No vehicle ever CLAIMS the right if way. It's a matter of push rather than pull if you think of it in logistical terms.

In the old cow-town I used to live in, you would routinely see all four drivers attempting to yield to each other. At some point, they would all simultaneously creep forward, them simultaneously slam on their brakes to start the process again. Similarly frustrating is when everyone thinks they're required to spend five full seconds on the stop line even when they drive up just as the guy next to or across from them starts going, so you end up with one person going at a time and endless starts and stops at a big intersection.

Every so often, I even see it on the outskirts of town here. I head it off by taking the intersection ASAP when everyone else is indecisive.


Yeah. I pretty much try and make it obvious who gets to the intersection first by either slowing down or speeding up. I slow down way way more often than speed up as it "usually" ends up being faster but you always get those tards that have been sitting at the intersection for 3 or 4 seconds as I approach and STILL haven't started before I get there. WTF, you're seriously going to MAKE me come to a complete stop when there isn't another car for as far as the eye can see in any direction?
 
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