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(Cleveland Plain Dealer)   East Cleveland sends USPS pictures of its vehicles running red lights. USPS lawyer sends back a picture of the Constitution   (cleveland.com) divider line 141
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2013-02-02 10:36:32 AM
This is just going to escalate until a picture of buttocks is sent, isn't it?
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-02-02 10:39:34 AM
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-02 11:00:51 AM
"However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation,"

So do all the mailmen who shoot up their offices skate?
 
2013-02-02 11:06:39 AM

Mugato: "However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation,"

So do all the mailmen who shoot up their offices skate?


I'm pretty sure it is a federal crime to shoot up a federal building.
 
2013-02-02 12:48:53 PM
The law is pretty clear on this, and she's right.

Lawyered!
 
2013-02-02 12:49:53 PM
Know a guy who sent a picture of cash to the police in response to their picture of his car running a red light.
The police responded by sending a picture of handcuffs. At least they have a sense of humor when they arent shooting dogs or trying to hookup with 14 year olds in chat rooms.
 
2013-02-02 12:50:14 PM
Why do you think that you're immune to local and state regulations?

Because fark you, that's why!
 
2013-02-02 12:50:16 PM
Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.
 
2013-02-02 12:50:22 PM
By the mayor's logic the police should be preventing all crime, all the time since they don't pay attention to traffic laws or speed limits.
 
2013-02-02 12:50:34 PM
shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.
 
2013-02-02 12:50:50 PM
At least it wasn't a seven legged spider.
 
2013-02-02 12:51:34 PM
I almost got run over by a usps truck in which the driver was talking on his cell, while making an illegal u turn.

Besides the high volume tirade I provided to his face, I tried calling the post office and reporting him by his truck number, but they basically ignored me.
 
2013-02-02 12:51:55 PM
Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.
 
2013-02-02 12:57:25 PM
Simplistic solution: arrest them in the USPS attack vehicles, impound the trucks, and make the USPS come and get them.  After five or six times the red-light running will cease.  Repeat as necessary.
 
2013-02-02 12:57:39 PM
It's called a "Cleveland Steamer" and it's totally legit. Google it!
 
2013-02-02 12:57:58 PM

Giltric: Know a guy who sent a picture of cash to the police in response to their picture of his car running a red light.
The police responded by sending a picture of handcuffs.


Fnorgby!!!  Where you been, man?
 
2013-02-02 12:58:19 PM

BumpInTheNight: At least it wasn't a seven legged spider.


If he would have just put eight legs on it to begin with it would have been fine.
 
2013-02-02 12:58:21 PM
In their defense, you can't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.
 
2013-02-02 12:59:19 PM
If it weren't red light cam tickets I might be able to muster up some indignation.

As it is, East Cleveland, get used to having your mail routed through Albuquerque.
 
2013-02-02 12:59:33 PM

texref: Screw red light cameras. They shouldn't be legal against anyone.

The companies that put them in have been caught shortening the time of the yellow lights so that more people run red lights, so they can issue more tickets.

Total scam.


I really think that there ought to be a legal difference between "clipping" and "running" the red.  If you honestly don't think you can stop in time, take the .3 seconds at the front of the red and just go (esp. if there's ice or similar). There's no one going through the intersection and I can wait (This is the entire point of the Michigan pause).  Now if you run the light (ie the lights been red), you get what's coming to you.

/Moved from MI where they're illegal, to SF where they're on every single street corner.
//Haven't been rear-ended yet when I slam to a screeching halt, but it's been close.
 
2013-02-02 12:59:50 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.
 
2013-02-02 01:00:19 PM
Kinda glad the post office is getting some of its swagger back after being a pansy for the last few decades. Not sure this is the right fight though.
 
2013-02-02 01:00:35 PM
Between this and their immunity to parking tickets, I wonder what other traffic laws USPS vehicles can violate.
 
2013-02-02 01:01:56 PM

pedrop357: Between this and their immunity to parking tickets, I wonder what other traffic laws USPS vehicles can violate.


Mugato: "However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation,"


All of them, I guess.
 
2013-02-02 01:02:50 PM

cleveoh: Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.


Step 1: Set up red light cameras in high crime areas.

Step 2: Employ shady looking characters to scare people stopped at these red lights.

Step 3: Profit!
 
2013-02-02 01:03:59 PM
The conspiracy nuts thinks its The Jews, FEMA, Canadians, or the UN.

But, the real harbingers of the New World Order are ...

The US Postal Service

* Scary music, maniacal laughing, and thunderclaps *
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-02 01:04:06 PM

Glancing Blow: Simplistic solution: arrest them in the USPS attack vehicles, impound the trucks, and make the USPS come and get them.  After five or six times the red-light running will cease.  Repeat as necessary.


Yes, because impounding Ft. Sumpter worked out so well.
 
2013-02-02 01:05:10 PM

vpb: Glancing Blow: Simplistic solution: arrest them in the USPS attack vehicles, impound the trucks, and make the USPS come and get them.  After five or six times the red-light running will cease.  Repeat as necessary.

Yes, because impounding Ft. Sumpter worked out so well.


A vehicle is different than a fort.

//The more you know...
///Rainbow star sparkles
 
2013-02-02 01:05:38 PM
All I remember from my drivers ed class in high school

Q: A firetruck, a police car, a USPS truck, and an ambulance pull up to a four way stop at the same time. Which has the right of way?

A USPS truck
 
2013-02-02 01:07:22 PM

Mugato: "However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation,"

So do all the mailmen who shoot up their offices skate?


They cannot charge the organization, but they can charge the employees. TFA even says that if an actual cop pulled over a delivery truck, he could ticket the driver.

pedrop357: Between this and their immunity to parking tickets, I wonder what other traffic laws USPS vehicles can violate.


According to the article, all of them. "However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation."
 
2013-02-02 01:07:53 PM

cleveoh: Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.


darwinpolice: shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.


t3knomanser: In their defense, you can't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.


drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.


ALL OF THIS.
 
2013-02-02 01:08:27 PM
East Cleveland should just become a part of Detroit.
 
2013-02-02 01:09:16 PM

JimmyFartpants: cleveoh: Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.

Step 1: Set up red light cameras in high crime areas.

Step 2: Employ shady looking characters to scare people stopped at these red lights.

Step 3: Profit!


Why do you need to employ scary looking people if it's already a high crime area? I was stopped at a red light in a very bad neighborhood that I had to visit for work. A man with no shirt stepped off the curb, picked up a piece of brick, and crossed in front of me even though I was the 5th or 6th car back, all without breaking eye contact. I don't think that he'd ever collected a paycheck in his life.
 
2013-02-02 01:11:02 PM

pedrop357: vpb: Glancing Blow: Simplistic solution: arrest them in the USPS attack vehicles, impound the trucks, and make the USPS come and get them.  After five or six times the red-light running will cease.  Repeat as necessary.

Yes, because impounding Ft. Sumpter worked out so well.

A vehicle is different than a fort.

//The more you know...
///Rainbow star sparkles


Interfering with the delivery of US Mail is a Federal crime.
 
2013-02-02 01:11:41 PM
The immunity makes sense for some things.  If it wasn't for the immunity, I'm sure some towns would try to raise revenue by papering the USPS trucks with parking tickets.  It is much cheaper for USPS to simply reply with a "Go fark yourself" form letter than actually have to fight it out in court.

That said, I'm not so sure this should extend to moving violations.  It's one thing for the mail truck to be able park with impunity so the drive can go about his business, running red lights is much worse.

/oh and fark red light cameras
 
2013-02-02 01:11:44 PM

RminusQ: pedrop357: Between this and their immunity to parking tickets, I wonder what other traffic laws USPS vehicles can violate.

According to the article, all of them. "However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation."


I wonder if that extends to the driver.

If so, it could make for interesting applications in traffic crashes-who's at fault if a USPS truck blows a light and hits another car?
 
2013-02-02 01:12:02 PM

Devo: All I remember from my drivers ed class in high school

Q: A firetruck, a police car, a USPS truck, and an ambulance pull up to a four way stop at the same time. Which has the right of way?

A USPS truck


What if there's a parking authority van double parked where the USPS truck is making its turn? How quickly must the ambulance backup to allow it through?
 
2013-02-02 01:12:13 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: This is just going to escalate until a picture of buttocks is sent, isn't it?


Challenge accepted!
 
2013-02-02 01:12:14 PM
I worked for a city once; when in their vehicles on their time it was always fun to be a dick driving. One time I remember fondly I was driving the wrong direction in the wrong lane downtown at 3am and passing by a police cruiser who was doing the same in the opposite direction.  Orange Light Bar Immunity!
That said, the USPS must really be hurting for cash if they are challenging minor traffic fines from a repeat offender.
 
2013-02-02 01:13:10 PM

CavalierEternal: cleveoh: Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.

darwinpolice: shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.

t3knomanser: In their defense, you can't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.

ALL OF THIS.


To be fair, there are some gorgeous & well kept Victorian homes there that if you plunked them down in Tremont or Ohio city would cost a fortune.

...but you can't, & that means you're in East Cleveland, so drive like hell.
 
2013-02-02 01:13:30 PM

tripleseven: I almost got run over by a usps truck in which the driver was talking on his cell, while making an illegal u turn.

Besides the high volume tirade I provided to his face, I tried calling the post office and reporting him by his truck number, but they basically ignored me.


Doing something would likely require complicated paperwork that would waste dozens of hours.   If I had a choice of ignoreing someone or doing a lot of paperwork, the decision would be simple.
 
2013-02-02 01:14:07 PM

ChrisDe: The law is pretty clear on this, and she's right.

Lawyered!


The USPS lawyer is apparently referring to the McCulloch v. Maryland decision.  But the USPS was spun off as an independent agency in 1971, so I don't know that it really applies anymore.
 
2013-02-02 01:15:35 PM

cleveoh: CavalierEternal: cleveoh: Running a few redlights in East Cleveland is some times a matter of self preservation.

darwinpolice: shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.

t3knomanser: In their defense, you can't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.

ALL OF THIS.

To be fair, there are some gorgeous & well kept Victorian homes there that if you plunked them down in Tremont or Ohio city would cost a fortune.

...but you can't, & that means you're in East Cleveland, so drive like hell.


We got lost and routed through East Cleveland on our way home from the Grog Shop on night about four years ago. It was about as exciting as skydiving with no parachute and one of those reverse beartraps from Saw on your head.
 
2013-02-02 01:16:06 PM

darwinpolice: shiat, have you ever been to East Cleveland?  I don't stop at red lights there, either.


GM had the Detroit Police come out and give us a safety briefing, since we have some facilities in Detroit.  The focus was on going in late at night or early in the morning.  The cop told everyone "Unless you want to get car jacked, rolling stops only in these areas."  One engineer asked "Well what if we get pulled over, can we tell the officer you told us not to stop."  The cop's response was "If someone tries to pull you over, keep going, because we don't go into those areas at night."

/we also a young female engineer who was outraged over the unofficial company policy to only send male engineers to those facilities during certain hours.  If you have to get an engineer into the plant for some reason, call a guy.
//the older female engineers took her aside and explained that while there is gender equality, there is also gang rape
 
2013-02-02 01:17:15 PM
They have immunity? Like this guy?

www.deuceofdavenport.com

His was revoked.
 
2013-02-02 01:24:40 PM
I propose a spate of postal service vehicle thefts and vandalism, followed by the states and cities saying, "Sorry, that's a federal problem."
 
2013-02-02 01:27:37 PM
The Constitution?

This will confuse conservatives. How does the right to have assault rifles help you with traffic tickets?
 
2013-02-02 01:29:02 PM
The fact that the USPS is a quasi governmental organization screws the consumer.  For example, suppose you mail a package, insure it, and it's damaged.  The Postal Service has various exceptions to its damage rules, such as if the package exterior is not damaged you cannot collect.  How is one supposed to know this?  Now if you are UPS you have to give notice to a consumer about the terms of the insurance.  But the USPS does not have to, because it is a governmental entity and judges have ruled that consumers are obligated to know these federal regulations, just like you are supposed to "know" the tax code.  Somewhere buried deep in the Code of Federal Regulations you'll find this crap, and the Postal Service uses these hidden rules to screw consumers.
 
KIA
2013-02-02 01:30:07 PM
The Post Office is not a federal agency anymore.  It is private and composed of ordinary people like everyone else.  Arrest them and have them spend a few nights in the Greybar Hotel.
 
2013-02-02 01:31:12 PM
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