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(Ottawa Citizen)   Self-educated mothers everywhere are outraged that Canadians dropped Jenny McCarthy off a cancer benefit's roster, she claims it was due to autistic differences   (ottawacitizen.com) divider line 60
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2013-02-02 01:42:05 PM
5 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Did you kids know that according to the CDC itself, they cannot do proper scientific studies on the effectiveness of vaccines, because "Randomized, placebo-controlled trials cannot be performed ethically in populations for which vaccination already is recommended." When they do refer to studies alleged to show their effectiveness, they're actually using two groups of vaccinated people.


Yep. Because vaccines are so undeniably effective at preventing disease and death that to deny them from anyone would be unethical and dangerous. Incidentally, many drug trials these days are also comparative versus placebo-controlled. Because once you have proven that a treatment is effective, you establish a baseline of care that everyone should rightly receive. You don't need to establish that new treatments are effective against no care, you need to establish that they are better than existing minimal care. What isn't 'proper' is to question vaccine efficacy and safety with no evidence to support you. The more you know... and choose to ignore.
2013-02-02 08:20:51 AM
5 votes:
In all fairness, Jenny McCarthy is a cancer, so that *does* represent a conflict of interests.


Also of note from the article: "We recognized that she had some incredible talent to bring to this event."

HAHAHAHAHA... yeah, okay.
2013-02-03 12:38:06 AM
2 votes:
For the record, I am not anti-vaccine or anti-science. Older vaccines that have a long track record (like the polio vaccine) I wouldn't think twice about having a kid of mine get. But some of the newer ones, given the all-encompassing urge for profits, as well as the sheer numbers of vaccines they seem to be advocating for...I'm glad I don't have to make that decision at the present time. Antibiotics have been handed out like candy for years. Now we're starting to see 'blowback' from that in the form of superbugs. I wonder if at some point there will be blowback from over-vaccination.

I work in vaccine research and, despite the fact that I am involved in research to create a new vaccine, I share your trepidation about over vaccination.  "Old" vaccines have track records and reduce the incidence of potentially fatal illnesses (especially in childhood).  Yes there are side effects, yes (very rarely) they can be dangerous or fatal, but we've seen that stopping vaccination causes more disease and death than vaccinations themselves do.

So shouldn't we just vaccinate against everything?  I don't think we know enough about EXACTLY what vaccines are doing to answer that.  Our immune systems evolved to protect us and when it gets messed up it can get messed up badly.  Protect against something that can kill you, go for it.  Protect against the common cold, we're probably better off all stocking up on tissues and chicken soup and letting nature take it's course.

About Gardasil though...Big Pharma profiteering or not, it's a good idea.  Numbers differ but 95-98% of cervical cancers are caused by two of the strains it protects against.  And cervical cancer is hard to detect and hard to treat.  And has a high mortality rate.  So vaccination really does protect against a fatal disease...just one that takes a long time to kill.  And vaccinating boys protects unvaccinated girls and contributes to herd immunity (enough vaccinated people protecting the unvaccinated by severely reducing the chance they will contract the disease).

/hope that was helpful...or at least educational, and not preachy or trolly
2013-02-02 01:50:24 PM
2 votes:

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: Second of all, who cares if someone is stupid enough not to get a vaccine. It's a self correcting problem. As long as you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.

Not true. Unless the majority of people participate the diseases can linger around, mutate, get more potent (vaccine resistant), etc... Also some people legitimately cannot get the vaccine due to other health problems. If the diseases are floating around in the anti vaccer community they can be passed on to those folks who usually have enough problems as it is aaaand sometimes the vaccines just don't work for some people. There is no guarantee it will stop an infection.

The objective is to make the diseases so rare that the times the vaccine doesn't work or is unavailable there is very little chance of those people coming into contact with it.

Herd immunity or somesuch.

/not a science talking guy

Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!


I will never understand the mentality of people who think that "government bureaucrats" spontaneously generate the rules our society lives by, as if they're an evil hive mind or a massive brain in a jar that's long ago gone mad, controlling us for sheer malicious pleasure.  We make these rules, dingleberry.  We solicit the help of experts for things like medical, scientific, or economic rules.  Do we (or the experts) always get it right? Nope. Can the system be gamed? Hell yes.  If you think the rules are unreasonable, get off your ass and help make better ones.  If you just want to shiat the bed we all sleep in because you think it's your right as an American to do so...no.
2013-02-02 01:26:20 PM
2 votes:

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


I've flushed things smarter than her.
2013-02-02 12:56:43 PM
2 votes:
I can't believe there are still nutters who think vaccinations cause autism, especially after the only study that suggested this was proven to be falsified.  Too embarrassed to admit they're wrong, I guess.
2013-02-02 12:42:03 PM
2 votes:

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


And yet she allowed her emotions about her son to get the best of her intelligence with this anti-vax thing. That doesn't sound too smart to me.
2013-02-02 12:17:33 PM
2 votes:

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


If by 'smarter' you mean 'has posed for more porn' then sure
2013-02-02 12:13:50 PM
2 votes:
Have there been any studies linking hardcore drug use to squirting out autistic kids?

'Cause yanno... she did a lot of drugs.
2013-02-03 02:07:20 AM
1 votes:

stoikka: doubled99: She is smarter than most of you

Doubt it.


Well, to be fair, she did figure out how to make a living with her tits, which I have not managed to do yet.

Of course, I'm male, so....
2013-02-03 12:56:43 AM
1 votes:

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


No.  No she is not.
2013-02-02 06:40:28 PM
1 votes:

Night2o1: read books. realize that there are no wizards with secret capabilities you can't comprehend (ie your belief in 'experts').


Yes and no. You can theoretically comprehend whatever you attempt to if you're intelligent enough; however, frequently this would take years of study and dedicated effort usually while learning from other experts. So while you can comprehend the inner workings of a cancer cell down to a molecular signalling and genetic level, or how an MRI produces images, or how to successfully set off nuclear fission, or 1000's of other things, there is a very wide gulf between being able to understand and actually understanding. Experts have value - they didn't just receive their knowledge de novo. We don't live long enough to become well versed in the whole of human understanding and couldn't keep up with every field even if we did. At some point you have to defer to the people who have put in the work.
2013-02-02 03:17:08 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: verbal_jizm:

That may be one of the only vaccines that is being pushed for profit purposes. It does not apply to the common childhood vaccines and flu vaccine.

"One of the only"

For the record, I am not anti-vaccine or anti-science. Older vaccines that have a long track record (like the polio vaccine) I wouldn't think twice about having a kid of mine get. But some of the newer ones, given the all-encompassing urge for profits, as well as the sheer numbers of vaccines they seem to be advocating for...I'm glad I don't have to make that decision at the present time. Antibiotics have been handed out like candy for years. Now we're starting to see 'blowback' from that in the form of superbugs. I wonder if at some point there will be blowback from over-vaccination.


You wouldn't wonder if you were educated.

Antibiotics and vaccination are not the same thing. They don't work by the same mechanisms, they...

Oh, Fark it.
Get thine ass on wiki. Learn something. You seem to have understood the over-medicating of antibiotics, but the rise of use of anti-biotic soaps, cleaners, and the ubiquitous purell have greatly contributed to the problem.
And maybe you knew that. Would you learn more about vaccination? It would be good to have you on the side of science.
2013-02-02 03:11:18 PM
1 votes:
verbal_jizm:

No, there isn't. You have one example of a vaccine being pushed for profit motives, which, by the way, is effective and has good science to back up it's use in adolescents. The common childhood vaccines have a long history of success and extremely low incidence of adverse effects (and more importantly, I'm pretty sure they're all no longer patented). It's not equivalent to the covering up by a drug company of safety concerns for a new drug that could be a billion dollar earner.

Vioxx pushed by Merck.
Gardasil pushed by Merck.

Nothing in common here! No reason to think that Vioxx might have been symptomatic, say, of an industry or any broader context pushing the edge when it comes to questionable products...

WITHOUT PROOF I AM NOT WILLING TO BELIEVE THAT SOULLESS CORPORATIONS WOULD BE WILLING TO SELL ME CRAP TO PUT INTO MY BODY WITH ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES DOWN THE ROAD. (Except for that Vioxx thing. Now name another!)
2013-02-02 03:06:30 PM
1 votes:

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: I am not anti-vaccine or anti-science

Uh-huh.


Ah! You had me fooled for a minute. I thought you weren't a dipshiat. But there it is.
2013-02-02 03:05:29 PM
1 votes:

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: So there's no relation between the industry that produces, say, Vioxx and the one that now is also producing an increasing variety of vaccines?

No, there isn't. You have one example of a vaccine being pushed for profit motives, which, by the way, is effective and has good science to back up it's use in adolescents. The common childhood vaccines have a long history of success and extremely low incidence of adverse effects (and more importantly, I'm pretty sure they're all no longer patented). It's not equivalent to the covering up by a drug company of safety concerns for a new drug that could be a billion dollar earner.


I named one example. If you think that's exhaustive, then good for you. Another case of: Who are you going to believe, the for-profit drug corporations or your own lying eyes?
2013-02-02 02:54:45 PM
1 votes:
verbal_jizm:

That may be one of the only vaccines that is being pushed for profit purposes. It does not apply to the common childhood vaccines and flu vaccine.

"One of the only"

For the record, I am not anti-vaccine or anti-science. Older vaccines that have a long track record (like the polio vaccine) I wouldn't think twice about having a kid of mine get. But some of the newer ones, given the all-encompassing urge for profits, as well as the sheer numbers of vaccines they seem to be advocating for...I'm glad I don't have to make that decision at the present time. Antibiotics have been handed out like candy for years. Now we're starting to see 'blowback' from that in the form of superbugs. I wonder if at some point there will be blowback from over-vaccination.
2013-02-02 02:50:43 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: Actually, I'm attributing the absence of a single expressed viewpoint (e.g. Hey, I can understand why an uneducated woman like J. McCarthy turn against vaccines given the excesses of Big Pharma and so much contradictory medical opinion) AS proof of a consensus view. In other words, the recurring McCarthy-is-a-COONT jibe.


I think that's because most of us form our opinions around facts rather then feelings and emotional responses to situations...well except for the politics tab, all bets are off there it seems.  Oh and threads involving Apple and/or Sony.
2013-02-02 02:48:51 PM
1 votes:

apoptotic: heinrich66: I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions.

Actually you're attributing a variety of different opinions, held by members of a disparate group, to the group as a whole and then using that to insinuate that makes all members of the group hypocrites.


Actually, I'm attributing the absence of a single expressed viewpoint (e.g. Hey, I can understand why an uneducated woman like J. McCarthy turn against vaccines given the excesses of Big Pharma and so much contradictory medical opinion) AS proof of a consensus view. In other words, the recurring McCarthy-is-a-COONT jibe.

Further proof is in the comments above.
2013-02-02 02:46:05 PM
1 votes:

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: broadly skeptical of what I see as a big push for vaccines at all ages for all things

You will assume that a very well established preventative measure that has clear guidelines that aren't in contradiction with themselves every other year is worthy of skepticism because some other aspect of medicine has had recent dispute.


So there's no relation between the industry that produces, say, Vioxx and the one that now is also producing an increasing variety of vaccines?
2013-02-02 02:43:47 PM
1 votes:
Antagonism:

This comment alone proves that you're a farking idiot, as is anyone else who comes to Fark and generalizes about Farkers. You have every opinion here, every good idea, every blithering idiot. We as humans are generally all represented here. You are framing it as if you can either be pro-science/R&D, or pro-Jenny McCarthy, and that since Fark has both people here that we're some ...

Not hard to generalize since I never see the opinion I just expressed. I see one echo chamber set up for the pummeling Jenny McCarthy meme. I see another set up for laughing at laughable medical research.

And in the past ten minutes, I've been called an 'evil scum-sucking shiatbag' for...what? Suggesting that some of the people who pile on this suffering mother AND laugh at the ways Science can be full of shiat ought to reconcile their views.

Now, you might earnestly swear on your mother's cookbook that there's nobody on FARK like that, and that everyone here has carefully thought-out and consistent views. But I doubt it.
2013-02-02 02:39:43 PM
1 votes:

James F. Campbell: heinrich66: You used that wonderful word 'conflated'. I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions. 1. Big Media and Big Pharma hype the need for vaccines. 2. This hype produces an overall bad situation, as when people are getting vaccine after vaccine after vaccine.

Man, I wish I could give you polio.

I bet that would change your mind real farkin' quick, you evil scum-sucking shiatbag.


That's because I'm against the polio vaccine. How's your froth level? You need a mint?
2013-02-02 02:37:43 PM
1 votes:

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: profit-driven vaccination

And here's how I know your "actual knowledge to bias" ratio on this subject. There is very little profit in vaccines. If you're worried about the profit motives of drug manufacturers influencing research or suppressing information about side effects, look at the drugs that target chronic conditions at a high incidence in the population. Those, at least, are big profit drivers for the pharmaceutical industry.


Wow. Really? No profits, eh? Or 'very little'? So Big Pharma lobby state legislatures to make, say, Gardasil mandatory is purely for the public good. Huh.
2013-02-02 02:35:35 PM
1 votes:
Antagonism:

None of what you are saying is reason enough to give up a legitimate vaccination program that has proven results, saved millions of lives, stopped diseases that have plagued humans for thousands of years, etc. etc.

No, it isn't. But then, I haven't said that I was for that. I'm just broadly skeptical of what I see as a big push for vaccines at all ages for all things. Because that push is profit-driven and not ultimately for the public good, I am skeptical. I think things can go wrong, and even medical research (gasp!) might be potentially bent for the profit motive.
2013-02-02 02:32:56 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: You used that wonderful word 'conflated'. I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions. 1. Big Media and Big Pharma hype the need for vaccines. 2. This hype produces an overall bad situation, as when people are getting vaccine after vaccine after vaccine.


Man, I wish I could give you polio.

I bet that would change your mind real farkin' quick, you evil scum-sucking shiatbag.
2013-02-02 02:32:03 PM
1 votes:

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: apoptotic:

Well, the version of this thread that exists solely in your head is more dramatic than reality, I'll give you that much.

What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.

Science reporting in the mass media, medical guidelines, and actual science are all different things. You seem to be conflating them. Yes, medical guidelines and science reporting are based on the actual science (to a more or less degree, the "more or less" part being key here) but they are not the same thing.

In addition, uncertainty about some aspects of medicine does not indicate uncertainty across the field. To say this is equivalent to saying that a building collapse due to one new architectural design means we can't trust those designs that have proved to be safe for years.


You used that wonderful word 'conflated'. I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions. 1. Big Media and Big Pharma hype the need for vaccines. 2. This hype produces an overall bad situation, as when people are getting vaccine after vaccine after vaccine.

You can dispute either one of these, especially 2. But I see the same point of view in doctors who simultaneously prescribe fifteen different medications to a patient -- all to treat separate ailments -- and then wonder why the patient's overall health declines.
2013-02-02 02:28:39 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: here to help: heinrich66: (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Uh... what exactly is wrong with that? Do you enjoy giving chicks cancer? Do you like having little mushrooms sprouting up on your junk?

True since the vaccine came out they've gone on a fear mongering campaign whereas before they kept patients and general public mostly in the dark about HPV but that is indeed a very good vaccination program. The current HPV rates are something like 75% or more. Hopefully in twenty years or more that'll be much lower.

I think then you should go out and get every vaccine you can, including the new vaccine against alcohol, which isn't really a vaccine in the strict sense, but will be marketed as one anyway. Absolutely nothing can go wrong with widespread corporate profit-driven vaccination campaigns. No unpredictable consequences in 'twenty years time'!


None of what you are saying is reason enough to give up a legitimate vaccination program that has proven results, saved millions of lives, stopped diseases that have plagued humans for thousands of years, etc. etc.

THE SCIENCE DONT MAKE SENSE TO ME SO BURN IT ALL. THEY SAY THAY MAKE ALCOHOL VACCINE AND THEY USE MERCURY IN THEM. THEY ARE ALL CLEARLY BAD.
2013-02-02 02:28:30 PM
1 votes:
Wow. I never thought I'd see the day. Moronic anti-vaxxers white knighting Jenny McCarthy on Fark. And people say things are bad on the Politics tab? Psssh.
2013-02-02 02:28:29 PM
1 votes:

here to help: heinrich66: What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.

What's even more curious is that some people don't seem to realize that many different people post on Fark and somehow attribute every single thing that's said on here to one single super Farker who CONTROLS TEH FARKISTAN!!!


Nope. But I bet those two bodies of opinion overlap in many people. That's why I called it 'cognitive dissonance'. After all, the internet tends toward creating echo chambers. Didn't you notice?
2013-02-02 02:26:36 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: I think then you should go out and get every vaccine you can, including the new vaccine against alcohol, which isn't really a vaccine in the strict sense, but will be marketed as one anyway. Absolutely nothing can go wrong with widespread corporate profit-driven vaccination campaigns. No unpredictable consequences in 'twenty years time'!


I too enjoy hyperbole and misdirection.

Man I miss the times when you could occasionally have an actual conversation on this site.
2013-02-02 02:26:36 PM
1 votes:

Antagonism: heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)

Because there are only 2 positions to take in a topic as vast as "Medical industry malfeasance" that is discussed by thousands of people on fark with differing opinions.

Let the adults discuss it, and once we narrow it down to 2 basic black and white scenarios, we'll get back to you.


What are those two opinions? I only point out that it's funny that Jenny McCarthy, who probably could never be taken as authoritative because she a) is a bimbo; b) has a kid with autism keeps getting beaten up on, whereas if you took all the comments on the threads from other articles I'd mentioned, there's a healthy skepticism about contemporary medical research and its BS factor. And I'd bet those two populations overlap.
2013-02-02 02:26:22 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: here to help: heinrich66: (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Uh... what exactly is wrong with that? Do you enjoy giving chicks cancer? Do you like having little mushrooms sprouting up on your junk?

True since the vaccine came out they've gone on a fear mongering campaign whereas before they kept patients and general public mostly in the dark about HPV but that is indeed a very good vaccination program. The current HPV rates are something like 75% or more. Hopefully in twenty years or more that'll be much lower.

I think then you should go out and get every vaccine you can, including the new vaccine against alcohol, which isn't really a vaccine in the strict sense, but will be marketed as one anyway. Absolutely nothing can go wrong with widespread corporate profit-driven vaccination campaigns. No unpredictable consequences in 'twenty years time'!


Ladies and gentlemen:  Meet the man who can transform tinfoil into straw!
2013-02-02 02:26:12 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: apoptotic:

Well, the version of this thread that exists solely in your head is more dramatic than reality, I'll give you that much.

What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.


Science reporting in the mass media, medical guidelines, and actual science are all different things. You seem to be conflating them. Yes, medical guidelines and science reporting are based on the actual science (to a more or less degree, the "more or less" part being key here) but they are not the same thing.

In addition, uncertainty about some aspects of medicine does not indicate uncertainty across the field. To say this is equivalent to saying that a building collapse due to one new architectural design means we can't trust those designs that have proved to be safe for years.
2013-02-02 02:23:39 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.


What's even more curious is that some people don't seem to realize that many different people post on Fark and somehow attribute every single thing that's said on here to one single super Farker who CONTROLS TEH FARKISTAN!!!
2013-02-02 02:23:36 PM
1 votes:

here to help: heinrich66: (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Uh... what exactly is wrong with that? Do you enjoy giving chicks cancer? Do you like having little mushrooms sprouting up on your junk?

True since the vaccine came out they've gone on a fear mongering campaign whereas before they kept patients and general public mostly in the dark about HPV but that is indeed a very good vaccination program. The current HPV rates are something like 75% or more. Hopefully in twenty years or more that'll be much lower.


I think then you should go out and get every vaccine you can, including the new vaccine against alcohol, which isn't really a vaccine in the strict sense, but will be marketed as one anyway. Absolutely nothing can go wrong with widespread corporate profit-driven vaccination campaigns. No unpredictable consequences in 'twenty years time'!
2013-02-02 02:21:09 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)


Because there are only 2 positions to take in a topic as vast as "Medical industry malfeasance" that is discussed by thousands of people on fark with differing opinions.

Let the adults discuss it, and once we narrow it down to 2 basic black and white scenarios, we'll get back to you.
2013-02-02 02:19:40 PM
1 votes:
apoptotic:

Well, the version of this thread that exists solely in your head is more dramatic than reality, I'll give you that much.

What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.
2013-02-02 02:14:02 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: (Gardasil for boys anyone?)


Uh... what exactly is wrong with that? Do you enjoy giving chicks cancer? Do you like having little mushrooms sprouting up on your junk?

True since the vaccine came out they've gone on a fear mongering campaign whereas before they kept patients and general public mostly in the dark about HPV but that is indeed a very good vaccination program. The current HPV rates are something like 75% or more. Hopefully in twenty years or more that'll be much lower.
2013-02-02 02:12:17 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)


Well, the version of this thread that exists solely in your head is more dramatic than reality, I'll give you that much.
2013-02-02 02:07:34 PM
1 votes:
I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)
2013-02-02 02:00:14 PM
1 votes:

Shenanigans!: heinrich66: FARK piles on Jenny McCarthy again, then goes back to laugh-out-loud headlines on how the latest medical research is contradictory and full of shiat.

Sorry, the existence of flawed medical research doesn't automatically render Jenny McCarthy an expert on anything other than how to get paid to let people photograph her tits. But hey, she's good at that, I won't deny her that.


Sorry, you obviously couldn't read my brief comment. Next time don't hit 'reply' just go ahead and blather.
2013-02-02 01:49:49 PM
1 votes:

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: Second of all, who cares if someone is stupid enough not to get a vaccine. It's a self correcting problem. As long as you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.

Not true. Unless the majority of people participate the diseases can linger around, mutate, get more potent (vaccine resistant), etc... Also some people legitimately cannot get the vaccine due to other health problems. If the diseases are floating around in the anti vaccer community they can be passed on to those folks who usually have enough problems as it is aaaand sometimes the vaccines just don't work for some people. There is no guarantee it will stop an infection.

The objective is to make the diseases so rare that the times the vaccine doesn't work or is unavailable there is very little chance of those people coming into contact with it.

Herd immunity or somesuch.

/not a science talking guy

Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!


No, there will always be people who are vulnerable to a disease. It's not just a matter of natural selection. Those that get vaccinated and don't get immunity aren't necessarily genetically predispositioned to not get the immunity. It may be a stochastic thing which means there's nothing to select against. And completely aside that, there will always be babies which are too young to become immune to a disease.

As for the government bureaucrats mandating injections into peoples' precious bodily fluids issue, farking please. If people want to live in a goddamn society then they need to farking get over not being sovereign entities. That's not how it works.
2013-02-02 01:32:38 PM
1 votes:

heinrich66: FARK piles on Jenny McCarthy again, then goes back to laugh-out-loud headlines on how the latest medical research is contradictory and full of shiat.


Sorry, the existence of flawed medical research doesn't automatically render Jenny McCarthy an expert on anything other than how to get paid to let people photograph her tits. But hey, she's good at that, I won't deny her that.
2013-02-02 01:23:02 PM
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here to help: Herd immunity


That's the ticket.  In the case of whooping cough, especially, it's important because adult are likely to live through it with no long term effects.  Very young children - too young to vaccinate- just die.  So you protect the kids by making sure that nobody has it at all.
2013-02-02 01:20:41 PM
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J. Frank Parnell: Anthracite: That woman has caused the Whooping cough epidemic.

First, Whooping Cough is caused by bacteria.


What does that have to do with anything?

Do ... do you think immunizations are only for viruses?
2013-02-02 01:09:16 PM
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I saw her interviewed on PBS a couple of years ago about vaccines and came away feeling rather bad for her. She just knows SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO MY CHILD. And that's all she knows.
2013-02-02 12:58:32 PM
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doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


She's not going to sleep with you.
2013-02-02 12:56:52 PM
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J. Frank Parnell: First, Whooping Cough is caused by bacteria.


Wow, an anti-vaxxer. I hope you brought plenty of lube.
2013-02-02 12:50:28 PM
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The Dog Ate My Homework: Sure she's crazy, but she is truly one of the hottest women EVAR.


Not to go all studman but I think she's kind of nasty looking. Something about her face bothers me. I've known chicks that have that "look" and they were insufferable twats. Usually self absorbed STD dribbling cokehead slores to boot... which kind of describes her to a T (except for the STD part... I don't know her cooter critter status but I wouldn't be surprised if she has teh herp).
2013-02-02 12:45:17 PM
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doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


Wow! Look at her ample brains ...

www.jenny-mccarthy.org
2013-02-02 12:36:59 PM
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Jenny McCarthy is a murderess.
2013-02-02 12:29:38 PM
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doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


Is that because we're all idiots or because she in an Indigo Mom?
2013-02-02 12:27:59 PM
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I hate Jenny McCarthy... she should just sit on the sidelines and be a pretty face. That woman has caused the Whooping cough epidemic. Next I hear she is working on having Polio make a comeback.

/disgusting woman.

Oh btw why am I only showing 10 fark links on my front page now and am not showing yesterdays stuff... did I hit something on a page or something?
2013-02-02 12:21:39 PM
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The only thing Jenny McCarthy should be invited to do is give hummers in the parking garage.
2013-02-02 12:19:33 PM
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doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


Goebbels earned a Ph.D. from Heidelberg University in 1921.

/God, did I Win?
2013-02-02 12:11:48 PM
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doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


Maybe, but the problem is the way she talks about things she ignores.
2013-02-02 12:10:26 PM
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She is smarter than most of you
2013-02-02 12:08:46 PM
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She's about as smart as she looks. One point though, without her we wouldn't know who her cousin, Melissa McCarthy, is. I've met her and she's cool.
2013-02-02 08:32:56 AM
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St_Francis_P: Denial and greed. Of course, they were idiots for dealing with that woman to start with.


Yup.  Farking psycho biatch.
2013-02-02 08:19:01 AM
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McCarthy tweeted on Friday afternoon, "So so sorry Ottawa! I had to pull out of event because of my new show taping conflict but will be back in a few months to make up for it!"
However, Eagen said the foundation had a signed contract with McCarthy and had to negotiate a financial settlement with her representatives to get out of the deal
.

Denial and greed. Of course, they were idiots for dealing with that woman to start with.
 
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