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(Ottawa Citizen)   Self-educated mothers everywhere are outraged that Canadians dropped Jenny McCarthy off a cancer benefit's roster, she claims it was due to autistic differences   (ottawacitizen.com ) divider line
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2013-02-02 08:19:01 AM  
McCarthy tweeted on Friday afternoon, "So so sorry Ottawa! I had to pull out of event because of my new show taping conflict but will be back in a few months to make up for it!"
However, Eagen said the foundation had a signed contract with McCarthy and had to negotiate a financial settlement with her representatives to get out of the deal
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Denial and greed. Of course, they were idiots for dealing with that woman to start with.
 
2013-02-02 08:20:51 AM  
In all fairness, Jenny McCarthy is a cancer, so that *does* represent a conflict of interests.


Also of note from the article: "We recognized that she had some incredible talent to bring to this event."

HAHAHAHAHA... yeah, okay.
 
2013-02-02 08:32:56 AM  

St_Francis_P: Denial and greed. Of course, they were idiots for dealing with that woman to start with.


Yup.  Farking psycho biatch.
 
2013-02-02 10:48:17 AM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: In all fairness, Jenny McCarthy is a cancer, so that *does* represent a conflict of interests.


Also of note from the article: "We recognized that she had some incredible talent to bring to this event."

HAHAHAHAHA... yeah, okay.


That Linda Eagan is full of hilarious quotes:
""To be honest, we didn't expect this kind of response,"

Really?  You thought that using a vocally ignorant person as a headliner for your science funding efforts was a good idea?
 
2013-02-02 11:01:12 AM  

BumpInTheNight: That Linda Eagan is full of hilarious quotes:
""To be honest, we didn't expect this kind of response,"

Really? You thought that using a vocally ignorant person as a headliner for your science funding efforts was a good idea?



"We were under the assumption that the best person to bring on board for our fundraising event was the vaccine-critical star of MTV's Singled Out.  Who knew?"
 
2013-02-02 11:04:34 AM  
Friend of mine just suggested swapping out that koont with Tom Green, and I think that's a hell of a good idea.
 
2013-02-02 11:55:59 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: St_Francis_P: Denial and greed. Of course, they were idiots for dealing with that woman to start with.

Yup.  Farking psycho biatch.


She's still pretty, so she has that going for her.
 
2013-02-02 12:08:46 PM  
She's about as smart as she looks. One point though, without her we wouldn't know who her cousin, Melissa McCarthy, is. I've met her and she's cool.
 
2013-02-02 12:10:26 PM  
She is smarter than most of you
 
2013-02-02 12:11:48 PM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


Maybe, but the problem is the way she talks about things she ignores.
 
2013-02-02 12:13:50 PM  
Have there been any studies linking hardcore drug use to squirting out autistic kids?

'Cause yanno... she did a lot of drugs.
 
2013-02-02 12:16:55 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Friend of mine just suggested swapping out that koont with Tom Green, and I think that's a hell of a good idea.


Green actually did an episode of his show about his testicular cancer.  he was actually playing with the tumorous teste afterward.  I found it disturbing.
 
2013-02-02 12:17:08 PM  
Is this "Stupid Things Happen in Canada too" Day or something?
 
2013-02-02 12:17:33 PM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


If by 'smarter' you mean 'has posed for more porn' then sure
 
2013-02-02 12:19:33 PM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


Goebbels earned a Ph.D. from Heidelberg University in 1921.

/God, did I Win?
 
2013-02-02 12:20:54 PM  
Hell hath no fury like an outraged Canadian

/Letters will be written!
 
2013-02-02 12:21:39 PM  
The only thing Jenny McCarthy should be invited to do is give hummers in the parking garage.
 
2013-02-02 12:27:46 PM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


Prepare to be trampled by the herd.

Way i look at it now, people who take any injection offered by drug manufacturers under flimsy justification without applying critical thinking is a form of Darwinism that can exist in our society now that we've removed all the natural ones, so is ultimately a good thing.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled 2 minutes hate. And encourage the more abusive and angry of you to double your injections. Major symptom of brain damage is arbitrary aggression and rage, but i'm sure that's just a coincidence.
 
2013-02-02 12:27:59 PM  
I hate Jenny McCarthy... she should just sit on the sidelines and be a pretty face. That woman has caused the Whooping cough epidemic. Next I hear she is working on having Polio make a comeback.

/disgusting woman.

Oh btw why am I only showing 10 fark links on my front page now and am not showing yesterdays stuff... did I hit something on a page or something?
 
2013-02-02 12:28:13 PM  
I would have laughed at subby's headline, but I am autistic.
 
2013-02-02 12:29:38 PM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


Is that because we're all idiots or because she in an Indigo Mom?
 
2013-02-02 12:30:11 PM  

cache.gizmodo.com

Rawr, I'm a monster!

 
2013-02-02 12:31:49 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: doubled99: She is smarter than most of you

Way i look at it now, people who take any injection offered by drug manufacturers under flimsy justification without applying critical thinking is a form of Darwinism that can exist in our society now that we've removed all the natural ones, so is ultimately a good thing.


4/10
 
2013-02-02 12:36:59 PM  
Jenny McCarthy is a murderess.
 
2013-02-02 12:37:08 PM  
Sure she's crazy, but she is truly one of the hottest women EVAR.
 
2013-02-02 12:39:07 PM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


Doubt it.
 
2013-02-02 12:39:09 PM  

Anthracite: I hate Jenny McCarthy... she should just sit on the sidelines and be a pretty face. That woman has HELPED cause the Whooping cough epidemic. Next I hear she is working on having Polio make a comeback.

/disgusting woman.

Oh btw why am I only showing 10 fark links on my front page now and am not showing yesterdays stuff... did I hit something on a page or something?


Yeah, welcome to California. Here are directions to the nearest Walgreens. Now go get your whooping cough vaccine, please.

Part of the problem though is that often adults don't keep up with their shots. I've heard tell that you don't get lifetime immunity from your childhood vaccinations (or maybe not all of them, only some of them? I don't remember for sure), and for some things we're not sure how long the immunity lasts. Can you imagine if smallpox re-emerged? The death toll would be atrocious. I think my generation was one of the last to get that vaccine. I got it, but my sis, who is only a year and a half younger than I, did not. Still, we're not sure how long that immunity lasts and while smallpox allegedly no longer exists in the wild (so to speak) it does exist in a couple of labs, both in the US and in Russia (that I know of, there may be others). That's kind of scary.
 
2013-02-02 12:41:29 PM  
Did you kids know that according to the CDC itself, they cannot do proper scientific studies on the effectiveness of vaccines, because "Randomized, placebo-controlled trials cannot be performed ethically in populations for which vaccination already is recommended." When they do refer to studies alleged to show their effectiveness, they're actually using two groups of vaccinated people.
 
2013-02-02 12:42:03 PM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


And yet she allowed her emotions about her son to get the best of her intelligence with this anti-vax thing. That doesn't sound too smart to me.
 
2013-02-02 12:42:40 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: doubled99: She is smarter than most of you

Prepare to be trampled by the herd.


LOL ... white-knighting this moron?? I take it you have a thing for big breasts that blinds you to a woman's flaws.
 
2013-02-02 12:42:42 PM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


I believe you meant to say: More better smarterer than most of you
 
2013-02-02 12:45:17 PM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


Wow! Look at her ample brains ...

www.jenny-mccarthy.org
 
2013-02-02 12:47:41 PM  

Anthracite: Oh btw why am I only showing 10 fark links on my front page now and am not showing yesterdays stuff... did I hit something on a page or something?


Odd. Mine is doing it too.
 
2013-02-02 12:50:28 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Sure she's crazy, but she is truly one of the hottest women EVAR.


Not to go all studman but I think she's kind of nasty looking. Something about her face bothers me. I've known chicks that have that "look" and they were insufferable twats. Usually self absorbed STD dribbling cokehead slores to boot... which kind of describes her to a T (except for the STD part... I don't know her cooter critter status but I wouldn't be surprised if she has teh herp).
 
2013-02-02 12:54:07 PM  

Anthracite: That woman has caused the Whooping cough epidemic.


First, Whooping Cough is caused by bacteria.

Secondly, from the Journal of the American Medical Association, 1998 "Whooping Cough infections are common in an immunized population.".
 
2013-02-02 12:56:43 PM  
I can't believe there are still nutters who think vaccinations cause autism, especially after the only study that suggested this was proven to be falsified.  Too embarrassed to admit they're wrong, I guess.
 
2013-02-02 12:56:52 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: First, Whooping Cough is caused by bacteria.


Wow, an anti-vaxxer. I hope you brought plenty of lube.
 
2013-02-02 12:58:32 PM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


She's not going to sleep with you.
 
2013-02-02 01:00:53 PM  

Farking Canuck: doubled99: She is smarter than most of you

Wow! Look at her ample brains ...

[www.jenny-mccarthy.org image 280x500]


Man, check out those lobes!
 
2013-02-02 01:02:26 PM  
FARK piles on Jenny McCarthy again, then goes back to laugh-out-loud headlines on how the latest medical research is contradictory and full of shiat.
 
2013-02-02 01:07:25 PM  
First of all, autism is GROSSLY over diagnosed. The correct diagnosis in almost all cases is poor parenting. They're kids. Learn to deal with them.

Second of all, who cares if someone is stupid enough not to get a vaccine. It's a self correcting problem. As long as you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.

Unless you're hoping the entire population be vaccinated so that the targeted disease can be eradicated and we don't need to vaccinate future generations.

Great idea, maybe we should also compel all people with genetic shortcomings to be sterilized.
 
2013-02-02 01:08:03 PM  

James F. Campbell: Wow, an anti-vaxxer. I hope you brought plenty of lube.


I thought i just made it clear i want many people to get vaccines. I think vaccines are great.

One thing me and certain groups have in common is utter disgust for the bleating herd of imbeciles. If we have to depopulate anyone it should be them. I only ask that vaccines don't become mandatory, so Darwinism can take place.
 
2013-02-02 01:09:16 PM  
I saw her interviewed on PBS a couple of years ago about vaccines and came away feeling rather bad for her. She just knows SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO MY CHILD. And that's all she knows.
 
2013-02-02 01:16:03 PM  

nickdaisy: Second of all, who cares if someone is stupid enough not to get a vaccine. It's a self correcting problem. As long as you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.


Not true. Unless the majority of people participate the diseases can linger around, mutate, get more potent (vaccine resistant), etc... Also some people legitimately cannot get the vaccine due to other health problems. If the diseases are floating around in the anti vaccer community they can be passed on to those folks who usually have enough problems as it is aaaand sometimes the vaccines just don't work for some people. There is no guarantee it will stop an infection.

The objective is to make the diseases so rare that the times the vaccine doesn't work or is unavailable there is very little chance of those people coming into contact with it.

Herd immunity or somesuch.

/not a science talking guy
 
2013-02-02 01:16:30 PM  
Hadn't checked lately.  Congrats to Jenny.  She broke 1000.

http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.h tm l
 
2013-02-02 01:20:41 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Anthracite: That woman has caused the Whooping cough epidemic.

First, Whooping Cough is caused by bacteria.


What does that have to do with anything?

Do ... do you think immunizations are only for viruses?
 
2013-02-02 01:22:12 PM  

here to help: nickdaisy: Second of all, who cares if someone is stupid enough not to get a vaccine. It's a self correcting problem. As long as you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.

Not true. Unless the majority of people participate the diseases can linger around, mutate, get more potent (vaccine resistant), etc... Also some people legitimately cannot get the vaccine due to other health problems. If the diseases are floating around in the anti vaccer community they can be passed on to those folks who usually have enough problems as it is aaaand sometimes the vaccines just don't work for some people. There is no guarantee it will stop an infection.

The objective is to make the diseases so rare that the times the vaccine doesn't work or is unavailable there is very little chance of those people coming into contact with it.

Herd immunity or somesuch.

/not a science talking guy


Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!
 
2013-02-02 01:23:02 PM  

here to help: Herd immunity


That's the ticket.  In the case of whooping cough, especially, it's important because adult are likely to live through it with no long term effects.  Very young children - too young to vaccinate- just die.  So you protect the kids by making sure that nobody has it at all.
 
2013-02-02 01:26:20 PM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


I've flushed things smarter than her.
 
2013-02-02 01:32:38 PM  

heinrich66: FARK piles on Jenny McCarthy again, then goes back to laugh-out-loud headlines on how the latest medical research is contradictory and full of shiat.


Sorry, the existence of flawed medical research doesn't automatically render Jenny McCarthy an expert on anything other than how to get paid to let people photograph her tits. But hey, she's good at that, I won't deny her that.
 
2013-02-02 01:34:32 PM  
prinsesamusang.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-02 01:34:49 PM  

Shenanigans!: heinrich66: FARK piles on Jenny McCarthy again, then goes back to laugh-out-loud headlines on how the latest medical research is contradictory and full of shiat.

Sorry, the existence of flawed medical research doesn't automatically render Jenny McCarthy an expert on anything other than how to get paid to let people photograph her tits. But hey, she's good at that, I won't deny her that.


I don't know about GOOD at getting paid to have her tits photographed.  I mean, she does it and she has nice tits, but I have no evidence she negotiated a particularly good contract or anything.
 
2013-02-02 01:41:39 PM  

Malcolm_Sex: Letters will be written!


images54.fotki.com
 
2013-02-02 01:42:05 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Did you kids know that according to the CDC itself, they cannot do proper scientific studies on the effectiveness of vaccines, because "Randomized, placebo-controlled trials cannot be performed ethically in populations for which vaccination already is recommended." When they do refer to studies alleged to show their effectiveness, they're actually using two groups of vaccinated people.


Yep. Because vaccines are so undeniably effective at preventing disease and death that to deny them from anyone would be unethical and dangerous. Incidentally, many drug trials these days are also comparative versus placebo-controlled. Because once you have proven that a treatment is effective, you establish a baseline of care that everyone should rightly receive. You don't need to establish that new treatments are effective against no care, you need to establish that they are better than existing minimal care. What isn't 'proper' is to question vaccine efficacy and safety with no evidence to support you. The more you know... and choose to ignore.
 
2013-02-02 01:44:30 PM  

BigLuca: J. Frank Parnell: Anthracite: That woman has caused the Whooping cough epidemic.

First, Whooping Cough is caused by bacteria.

What does that have to do with anything?

Do ... do you think immunizations are only for viruses?


I loved that comment, I could just feel the joy he experienced in pointing out what he felt was Anthracite's ignorance. Was waiting for someone jump on it. Pneumococcus, meningococcus, H. influenzae, and Bordella all say hello. Or rather they don't, because we can kill them.
 
2013-02-02 01:47:00 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: James F. Campbell: Wow, an anti-vaxxer. I hope you brought plenty of lube.

I thought i just made it clear i want many people to get vaccines. I think vaccines are great.

One thing me and certain groups have in common is utter disgust for the bleating herd of imbeciles. If we have to depopulate anyone it should be them. I only ask that vaccines don't become mandatory, so Darwinism can take place.


I've read your profile, particularly the part about aliens.

You ARE part of the bleating herd of imbeciles...
 
2013-02-02 01:48:06 PM  

nickdaisy: Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!


I'm not saying that it should be forced by law but the spread of false information by the likes of this fine young lady is a real problem. Not sure what can be done about it because I'm a firm believer in free speech but this is kind of like yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

And I don't bother with the flu shot but the big ones I'll do. Polio doesn't sound like fun.
 
2013-02-02 01:49:49 PM  

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: Second of all, who cares if someone is stupid enough not to get a vaccine. It's a self correcting problem. As long as you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.

Not true. Unless the majority of people participate the diseases can linger around, mutate, get more potent (vaccine resistant), etc... Also some people legitimately cannot get the vaccine due to other health problems. If the diseases are floating around in the anti vaccer community they can be passed on to those folks who usually have enough problems as it is aaaand sometimes the vaccines just don't work for some people. There is no guarantee it will stop an infection.

The objective is to make the diseases so rare that the times the vaccine doesn't work or is unavailable there is very little chance of those people coming into contact with it.

Herd immunity or somesuch.

/not a science talking guy

Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!


No, there will always be people who are vulnerable to a disease. It's not just a matter of natural selection. Those that get vaccinated and don't get immunity aren't necessarily genetically predispositioned to not get the immunity. It may be a stochastic thing which means there's nothing to select against. And completely aside that, there will always be babies which are too young to become immune to a disease.

As for the government bureaucrats mandating injections into peoples' precious bodily fluids issue, farking please. If people want to live in a goddamn society then they need to farking get over not being sovereign entities. That's not how it works.
 
2013-02-02 01:50:24 PM  

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: Second of all, who cares if someone is stupid enough not to get a vaccine. It's a self correcting problem. As long as you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.

Not true. Unless the majority of people participate the diseases can linger around, mutate, get more potent (vaccine resistant), etc... Also some people legitimately cannot get the vaccine due to other health problems. If the diseases are floating around in the anti vaccer community they can be passed on to those folks who usually have enough problems as it is aaaand sometimes the vaccines just don't work for some people. There is no guarantee it will stop an infection.

The objective is to make the diseases so rare that the times the vaccine doesn't work or is unavailable there is very little chance of those people coming into contact with it.

Herd immunity or somesuch.

/not a science talking guy

Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!


I will never understand the mentality of people who think that "government bureaucrats" spontaneously generate the rules our society lives by, as if they're an evil hive mind or a massive brain in a jar that's long ago gone mad, controlling us for sheer malicious pleasure.  We make these rules, dingleberry.  We solicit the help of experts for things like medical, scientific, or economic rules.  Do we (or the experts) always get it right? Nope. Can the system be gamed? Hell yes.  If you think the rules are unreasonable, get off your ass and help make better ones.  If you just want to shiat the bed we all sleep in because you think it's your right as an American to do so...no.
 
2013-02-02 01:52:56 PM  

here to help: And I don't bother with the flu shot


Just don't spend time around old people and young children around flu season.
 
2013-02-02 01:54:25 PM  

insano: J. Frank Parnell: Did you kids know that according to the CDC itself, they cannot do proper scientific studies on the effectiveness of vaccines, because "Randomized, placebo-controlled trials cannot be performed ethically in populations for which vaccination already is recommended." When they do refer to studies alleged to show their effectiveness, they're actually using two groups of vaccinated people.

Yep. Because vaccines are so undeniably effective at preventing disease and death that to deny them from anyone would be unethical and dangerous. Incidentally, many drug trials these days are also comparative versus placebo-controlled. Because once you have proven that a treatment is effective, you establish a baseline of care that everyone should rightly receive. You don't need to establish that new treatments are effective against no care, you need to establish that they are better than existing minimal care. What isn't 'proper' is to question vaccine efficacy and safety with no evidence to support you. The more you know... and choose to ignore.


That was way too rational, intelligent and relevant to be posted on Fark. Thank you.
 
2013-02-02 01:56:54 PM  
"We recognized that she had some incredible talent to bring to this event."

And what exactly is that talent?  Taking her clothes off?
 
2013-02-02 02:00:14 PM  

Shenanigans!: heinrich66: FARK piles on Jenny McCarthy again, then goes back to laugh-out-loud headlines on how the latest medical research is contradictory and full of shiat.

Sorry, the existence of flawed medical research doesn't automatically render Jenny McCarthy an expert on anything other than how to get paid to let people photograph her tits. But hey, she's good at that, I won't deny her that.


Sorry, you obviously couldn't read my brief comment. Next time don't hit 'reply' just go ahead and blather.
 
2013-02-02 02:03:18 PM  

verbal_jizm: here to help: And I don't bother with the flu shot

Just don't spend time around old people and young children around flu season.


I don't in general anyway and I'm extremely cautious about hanging around sick people and washing my hands. Also if I get sick I make sure I'm not spreading my germs around (unlike a lot of oblivious douchebags I've known). The only old person I occasionally hang out with is my mom and she gets her shot every year. Somehow she managed to get the flu this year anyway which is kind of crappy but she's a hearty lass and got over it.
 
2013-02-02 02:03:22 PM  

Mock26: "We recognized that she had some incredible talent to bring to this event."

And what exactly is that talent?  Taking her clothes off?


music-juice.com
Pictured: talent?
 
2013-02-02 02:04:24 PM  

here to help: nickdaisy: Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!

I'm not saying that it should be forced by law but the spread of false information by the likes of this fine young lady is a real problem. Not sure what can be done about it because I'm a firm believer in free speech but this is kind of like yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

And I don't bother with the flu shot but the big ones I'll do. Polio doesn't sound like fun.


Zero wild polio cases in Western Hemisphere since 1979...

Flu kills ~ 40,000 per year in US alone...

Which one us "the big one" again?
 
2013-02-02 02:04:33 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: Mock26: "We recognized that she had some incredible talent to bring to this event."

And what exactly is that talent?  Taking her clothes off?

[music-juice.com image 600x900]
Pictured: talent?


Ugh... penis go bye bye now.

What a leathery hag.
 
2013-02-02 02:07:34 PM  
I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)
 
2013-02-02 02:09:38 PM  

elkboy: Flu kills ~ 40,000 per year in US alone...

Which one us "the big one" again?


Yeah yeah I know but I can't remember the last time I've had the flu and really don't hang out with much of ANYONE these days. I haven't even had a cold for a few years I'm such a hermit. I promise... if I do get sick I'll lock myself in a germ proof bubble. Besides those flu vaccines only cover certain strains that they think are going to hit hard in a specific year. Can't do nothing about the rogue strains.
 
2013-02-02 02:12:17 PM  

heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)


Well, the version of this thread that exists solely in your head is more dramatic than reality, I'll give you that much.
 
2013-02-02 02:14:02 PM  

heinrich66: (Gardasil for boys anyone?)


Uh... what exactly is wrong with that? Do you enjoy giving chicks cancer? Do you like having little mushrooms sprouting up on your junk?

True since the vaccine came out they've gone on a fear mongering campaign whereas before they kept patients and general public mostly in the dark about HPV but that is indeed a very good vaccination program. The current HPV rates are something like 75% or more. Hopefully in twenty years or more that'll be much lower.
 
2013-02-02 02:16:58 PM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


tl;dr summary: IMHO street smart, book dumb.

There are many beautiful, ample-bosomed women in the world, and particularly in the porn industry. Most of them are spit out of the bottom of it when they begin to sag. This woman has managed to make an industry out of herself as she's aged.

Now, I think there are different kinds of intelligence. I doubt she'd ever be able to pick up a textbook and do well on an exam. But, she's relatively well spoken and can memorize acting lines to a degree. And she's got a business sense.

However, her willingness to link vaccination and autism is extremely regrettable. Having an autistic child is doubtless very difficult, and without the "book learnin", it's probably easy to fall prey to someone providing satisfying, packaged answers because one doesn't have the intellectual framework with which to critically view and investigate the claims.
 
2013-02-02 02:19:40 PM  
apoptotic:

Well, the version of this thread that exists solely in your head is more dramatic than reality, I'll give you that much.

What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.
 
2013-02-02 02:21:09 PM  

heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)


Because there are only 2 positions to take in a topic as vast as "Medical industry malfeasance" that is discussed by thousands of people on fark with differing opinions.

Let the adults discuss it, and once we narrow it down to 2 basic black and white scenarios, we'll get back to you.
 
2013-02-02 02:23:36 PM  

here to help: heinrich66: (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Uh... what exactly is wrong with that? Do you enjoy giving chicks cancer? Do you like having little mushrooms sprouting up on your junk?

True since the vaccine came out they've gone on a fear mongering campaign whereas before they kept patients and general public mostly in the dark about HPV but that is indeed a very good vaccination program. The current HPV rates are something like 75% or more. Hopefully in twenty years or more that'll be much lower.


I think then you should go out and get every vaccine you can, including the new vaccine against alcohol, which isn't really a vaccine in the strict sense, but will be marketed as one anyway. Absolutely nothing can go wrong with widespread corporate profit-driven vaccination campaigns. No unpredictable consequences in 'twenty years time'!
 
2013-02-02 02:23:39 PM  

heinrich66: What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.


What's even more curious is that some people don't seem to realize that many different people post on Fark and somehow attribute every single thing that's said on here to one single super Farker who CONTROLS TEH FARKISTAN!!!
 
2013-02-02 02:24:13 PM  

heinrich66: Shenanigans!: heinrich66: FARK piles on Jenny McCarthy again, then goes back to laugh-out-loud headlines on how the latest medical research is contradictory and full of shiat.

Sorry, the existence of flawed medical research doesn't automatically render Jenny McCarthy an expert on anything other than how to get paid to let people photograph her tits. But hey, she's good at that, I won't deny her that.

Sorry, you obviously couldn't read my brief comment. Next time don't hit 'reply' just go ahead and blather.


I think I'll just let you stick to that strategy, but thanks for the advice. :)
 
2013-02-02 02:25:22 PM  

James F. Campbell: Jenny McCarthy is a murderess.


I agree it's absolutely horrifying that she would use her credentials and expertise in autism research to deceive so many people.
/I'm 26 minutes late for a workout with my personal trainer Stephen Hawking.
// givemeonemorerepyoubiatch. that'sit.pushiat.pushiat.
 
2013-02-02 02:26:12 PM  

heinrich66: apoptotic:

Well, the version of this thread that exists solely in your head is more dramatic than reality, I'll give you that much.

What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.


Science reporting in the mass media, medical guidelines, and actual science are all different things. You seem to be conflating them. Yes, medical guidelines and science reporting are based on the actual science (to a more or less degree, the "more or less" part being key here) but they are not the same thing.

In addition, uncertainty about some aspects of medicine does not indicate uncertainty across the field. To say this is equivalent to saying that a building collapse due to one new architectural design means we can't trust those designs that have proved to be safe for years.
 
2013-02-02 02:26:22 PM  

heinrich66: here to help: heinrich66: (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Uh... what exactly is wrong with that? Do you enjoy giving chicks cancer? Do you like having little mushrooms sprouting up on your junk?

True since the vaccine came out they've gone on a fear mongering campaign whereas before they kept patients and general public mostly in the dark about HPV but that is indeed a very good vaccination program. The current HPV rates are something like 75% or more. Hopefully in twenty years or more that'll be much lower.

I think then you should go out and get every vaccine you can, including the new vaccine against alcohol, which isn't really a vaccine in the strict sense, but will be marketed as one anyway. Absolutely nothing can go wrong with widespread corporate profit-driven vaccination campaigns. No unpredictable consequences in 'twenty years time'!


Ladies and gentlemen:  Meet the man who can transform tinfoil into straw!
 
2013-02-02 02:26:36 PM  

Antagonism: heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)

Because there are only 2 positions to take in a topic as vast as "Medical industry malfeasance" that is discussed by thousands of people on fark with differing opinions.

Let the adults discuss it, and once we narrow it down to 2 basic black and white scenarios, we'll get back to you.


What are those two opinions? I only point out that it's funny that Jenny McCarthy, who probably could never be taken as authoritative because she a) is a bimbo; b) has a kid with autism keeps getting beaten up on, whereas if you took all the comments on the threads from other articles I'd mentioned, there's a healthy skepticism about contemporary medical research and its BS factor. And I'd bet those two populations overlap.
 
2013-02-02 02:26:36 PM  

heinrich66: I think then you should go out and get every vaccine you can, including the new vaccine against alcohol, which isn't really a vaccine in the strict sense, but will be marketed as one anyway. Absolutely nothing can go wrong with widespread corporate profit-driven vaccination campaigns. No unpredictable consequences in 'twenty years time'!


I too enjoy hyperbole and misdirection.

Man I miss the times when you could occasionally have an actual conversation on this site.
 
2013-02-02 02:28:29 PM  

here to help: heinrich66: What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.

What's even more curious is that some people don't seem to realize that many different people post on Fark and somehow attribute every single thing that's said on here to one single super Farker who CONTROLS TEH FARKISTAN!!!


Nope. But I bet those two bodies of opinion overlap in many people. That's why I called it 'cognitive dissonance'. After all, the internet tends toward creating echo chambers. Didn't you notice?
 
2013-02-02 02:28:30 PM  
Wow. I never thought I'd see the day. Moronic anti-vaxxers white knighting Jenny McCarthy on Fark. And people say things are bad on the Politics tab? Psssh.
 
2013-02-02 02:28:39 PM  

heinrich66: here to help: heinrich66: (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Uh... what exactly is wrong with that? Do you enjoy giving chicks cancer? Do you like having little mushrooms sprouting up on your junk?

True since the vaccine came out they've gone on a fear mongering campaign whereas before they kept patients and general public mostly in the dark about HPV but that is indeed a very good vaccination program. The current HPV rates are something like 75% or more. Hopefully in twenty years or more that'll be much lower.

I think then you should go out and get every vaccine you can, including the new vaccine against alcohol, which isn't really a vaccine in the strict sense, but will be marketed as one anyway. Absolutely nothing can go wrong with widespread corporate profit-driven vaccination campaigns. No unpredictable consequences in 'twenty years time'!


None of what you are saying is reason enough to give up a legitimate vaccination program that has proven results, saved millions of lives, stopped diseases that have plagued humans for thousands of years, etc. etc.

THE SCIENCE DONT MAKE SENSE TO ME SO BURN IT ALL. THEY SAY THAY MAKE ALCOHOL VACCINE AND THEY USE MERCURY IN THEM. THEY ARE ALL CLEARLY BAD.
 
2013-02-02 02:31:11 PM  

heinrich66: profit-driven vaccination


And here's how I know your "actual knowledge to bias" ratio on this subject. There is very little profit in vaccines. If you're worried about the profit motives of drug manufacturers influencing research or suppressing information about side effects, look at the drugs that target chronic conditions at a high incidence in the population. Those, at least, are big profit drivers for the pharmaceutical industry.
 
2013-02-02 02:32:03 PM  

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: apoptotic:

Well, the version of this thread that exists solely in your head is more dramatic than reality, I'll give you that much.

What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.

Science reporting in the mass media, medical guidelines, and actual science are all different things. You seem to be conflating them. Yes, medical guidelines and science reporting are based on the actual science (to a more or less degree, the "more or less" part being key here) but they are not the same thing.

In addition, uncertainty about some aspects of medicine does not indicate uncertainty across the field. To say this is equivalent to saying that a building collapse due to one new architectural design means we can't trust those designs that have proved to be safe for years.


You used that wonderful word 'conflated'. I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions. 1. Big Media and Big Pharma hype the need for vaccines. 2. This hype produces an overall bad situation, as when people are getting vaccine after vaccine after vaccine.

You can dispute either one of these, especially 2. But I see the same point of view in doctors who simultaneously prescribe fifteen different medications to a patient -- all to treat separate ailments -- and then wonder why the patient's overall health declines.
 
2013-02-02 02:32:56 PM  

heinrich66: You used that wonderful word 'conflated'. I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions. 1. Big Media and Big Pharma hype the need for vaccines. 2. This hype produces an overall bad situation, as when people are getting vaccine after vaccine after vaccine.


Man, I wish I could give you polio.

I bet that would change your mind real farkin' quick, you evil scum-sucking shiatbag.
 
2013-02-02 02:33:37 PM  

heinrich66: healthy skepticism


Skepticism and tinfoil are not the same thing.
 
2013-02-02 02:34:33 PM  

James F. Campbell: Wow. I never thought I'd see the day. Moronic anti-vaxxers white knighting Jenny McCarthy on Fark. And people say things are bad on the Politics tab? Psssh.


The witty snark that used to rule the place got hijacked into a game of who could out asshole everybody else.

Very sad indeed.
 
2013-02-02 02:34:44 PM  

heinrich66: Antagonism: heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)

Because there are only 2 positions to take in a topic as vast as "Medical industry malfeasance" that is discussed by thousands of people on fark with differing opinions.

Let the adults discuss it, and once we narrow it down to 2 basic black and white scenarios, we'll get back to you.

What are those two opinions? I only point out that it's funny that Jenny McCarthy, who probably could never be taken as authoritative because she a) is a bimbo; b) has a kid with autism keeps getting beaten up on, whereas if you took all the comments on the threads from other articles I'd mentioned, there's a healthy skepticism about contemporary medical research and its BS factor. And I'd bet those two populations overlap.


"I'd bet those two populations overlap".

Okay so its all conjecture based on how you feel about the Fark community as a whole.

This comment alone proves that you're a farking idiot, as is anyone else who comes to Fark and generalizes about Farkers. You have every opinion here, every good idea, every blithering idiot. We as humans are generally all represented here. You are framing it as if you can either be pro-science/R&D, or pro-Jenny McCarthy, and that since Fark has both people here that we're some massive group of confused dipshiats that can't get our opinions straight.

You're exactly like the retards who think that Fark is conservative or liberal, pro or anti-gun. People like you just gravitate toward posts that either fit your point of view, or are in direct opposition. That is a bad way to use your brain. There is more than one person here talking to you.

Most of us have enough skepticism of the health industry. At the same time, we can be objective about shiat like vaccines.  Jenny McCarthy is a coont. The health industry are full of coonts. Why do I have to choose one to defend and run with it?
 
2013-02-02 02:35:35 PM  
Antagonism:

None of what you are saying is reason enough to give up a legitimate vaccination program that has proven results, saved millions of lives, stopped diseases that have plagued humans for thousands of years, etc. etc.

No, it isn't. But then, I haven't said that I was for that. I'm just broadly skeptical of what I see as a big push for vaccines at all ages for all things. Because that push is profit-driven and not ultimately for the public good, I am skeptical. I think things can go wrong, and even medical research (gasp!) might be potentially bent for the profit motive.
 
2013-02-02 02:35:44 PM  

heinrich66: You can dispute either one of these


Lol.
 
2013-02-02 02:37:43 PM  

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: profit-driven vaccination

And here's how I know your "actual knowledge to bias" ratio on this subject. There is very little profit in vaccines. If you're worried about the profit motives of drug manufacturers influencing research or suppressing information about side effects, look at the drugs that target chronic conditions at a high incidence in the population. Those, at least, are big profit drivers for the pharmaceutical industry.


Wow. Really? No profits, eh? Or 'very little'? So Big Pharma lobby state legislatures to make, say, Gardasil mandatory is purely for the public good. Huh.
 
2013-02-02 02:39:43 PM  

James F. Campbell: heinrich66: You used that wonderful word 'conflated'. I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions. 1. Big Media and Big Pharma hype the need for vaccines. 2. This hype produces an overall bad situation, as when people are getting vaccine after vaccine after vaccine.

Man, I wish I could give you polio.

I bet that would change your mind real farkin' quick, you evil scum-sucking shiatbag.


That's because I'm against the polio vaccine. How's your froth level? You need a mint?
 
2013-02-02 02:43:08 PM  

heinrich66: broadly skeptical of what I see as a big push for vaccines at all ages for all things


You will assume that a very well established preventative measure that has clear guidelines that aren't in contradiction with themselves every other year is worthy of skepticism because some other aspect of medicine has had recent dispute.
 
2013-02-02 02:43:47 PM  
Antagonism:

This comment alone proves that you're a farking idiot, as is anyone else who comes to Fark and generalizes about Farkers. You have every opinion here, every good idea, every blithering idiot. We as humans are generally all represented here. You are framing it as if you can either be pro-science/R&D, or pro-Jenny McCarthy, and that since Fark has both people here that we're some ...

Not hard to generalize since I never see the opinion I just expressed. I see one echo chamber set up for the pummeling Jenny McCarthy meme. I see another set up for laughing at laughable medical research.

And in the past ten minutes, I've been called an 'evil scum-sucking shiatbag' for...what? Suggesting that some of the people who pile on this suffering mother AND laugh at the ways Science can be full of shiat ought to reconcile their views.

Now, you might earnestly swear on your mother's cookbook that there's nobody on FARK like that, and that everyone here has carefully thought-out and consistent views. But I doubt it.
 
2013-02-02 02:44:43 PM  

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: Second of all, who cares if someone is stupid enough not to get a vaccine. It's a self correcting problem. As long as you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.

Not true. Unless the majority of people participate the diseases can linger around, mutate, get more potent (vaccine resistant), etc... Also some people legitimately cannot get the vaccine due to other health problems. If the diseases are floating around in the anti vaccer community they can be passed on to those folks who usually have enough problems as it is aaaand sometimes the vaccines just don't work for some people. There is no guarantee it will stop an infection.

The objective is to make the diseases so rare that the times the vaccine doesn't work or is unavailable there is very little chance of those people coming into contact with it.

Herd immunity or somesuch.

/not a science talking guy

Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!


Well, you can take your opinion and stick it where the sun don't shine.
My husband suffers from Rheumatiod Arthritis, and is brave enough to risk his life by taking Humira. No one knows what the long-term effects of this therapy will be, but it has provided him some relief from a pain-filled day from the day he was 15, 46 now.
If he contracts tuberculosis, he will die. My kids cannot get their chicken-pox boosters, because it's a live vaccine. We can't get flu spray for the same reason. He basically has to live like an AIDS or cancer patient- also folks that get put at risk from non-vaccinators.

I doubt you'd like to have a lingering disease, because you sure talk like you've never experienced it for yourself or for a loved one.

If you're trolling, good jerb.
If not, maybe I should wish a chronic disease on you, or someone you love.
Nah, I wouldn't wish daily suffering on the worst of humanity.
And that does not include you, but you are like an electron, spinning around the nucleus of selfishness and derp that is currently the bane of a peaceful planet.

Get some real education. Like from a textbook. Not from some celebrity.
 
2013-02-02 02:45:30 PM  

heinrich66: I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions.


Actually you're attributing a variety of different opinions, held by members of a disparate group, to the group as a whole and then using that to insinuate that makes all members of the group hypocrites.
 
2013-02-02 02:46:05 PM  

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: broadly skeptical of what I see as a big push for vaccines at all ages for all things

You will assume that a very well established preventative measure that has clear guidelines that aren't in contradiction with themselves every other year is worthy of skepticism because some other aspect of medicine has had recent dispute.


So there's no relation between the industry that produces, say, Vioxx and the one that now is also producing an increasing variety of vaccines?
 
2013-02-02 02:48:51 PM  

apoptotic: heinrich66: I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions.

Actually you're attributing a variety of different opinions, held by members of a disparate group, to the group as a whole and then using that to insinuate that makes all members of the group hypocrites.


Actually, I'm attributing the absence of a single expressed viewpoint (e.g. Hey, I can understand why an uneducated woman like J. McCarthy turn against vaccines given the excesses of Big Pharma and so much contradictory medical opinion) AS proof of a consensus view. In other words, the recurring McCarthy-is-a-COONT jibe.

Further proof is in the comments above.
 
2013-02-02 02:49:51 PM  

heinrich66: verbal_jizm: heinrich66: profit-driven vaccination

And here's how I know your "actual knowledge to bias" ratio on this subject. There is very little profit in vaccines. If you're worried about the profit motives of drug manufacturers influencing research or suppressing information about side effects, look at the drugs that target chronic conditions at a high incidence in the population. Those, at least, are big profit drivers for the pharmaceutical industry.

Wow. Really? No profits, eh? Or 'very little'? So Big Pharma lobby state legislatures to make, say, Gardasil mandatory is purely for the public good. Huh.


That may be one of the only vaccines that is being pushed for profit purposes. It does not apply to the common childhood vaccines and flu vaccine.
 
2013-02-02 02:50:43 PM  

heinrich66: Actually, I'm attributing the absence of a single expressed viewpoint (e.g. Hey, I can understand why an uneducated woman like J. McCarthy turn against vaccines given the excesses of Big Pharma and so much contradictory medical opinion) AS proof of a consensus view. In other words, the recurring McCarthy-is-a-COONT jibe.


I think that's because most of us form our opinions around facts rather then feelings and emotional responses to situations...well except for the politics tab, all bets are off there it seems.  Oh and threads involving Apple and/or Sony.
 
2013-02-02 02:54:45 PM  
verbal_jizm:

That may be one of the only vaccines that is being pushed for profit purposes. It does not apply to the common childhood vaccines and flu vaccine.

"One of the only"

For the record, I am not anti-vaccine or anti-science. Older vaccines that have a long track record (like the polio vaccine) I wouldn't think twice about having a kid of mine get. But some of the newer ones, given the all-encompassing urge for profits, as well as the sheer numbers of vaccines they seem to be advocating for...I'm glad I don't have to make that decision at the present time. Antibiotics have been handed out like candy for years. Now we're starting to see 'blowback' from that in the form of superbugs. I wonder if at some point there will be blowback from over-vaccination.
 
2013-02-02 02:55:45 PM  

heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)


How about you come to the real middle ground you purport to hold.

Do you pay attention to the folks that post 'meds are bullshiat plots'? They're actually different people than the ones advocating vaccination. You can't paint Fark with that broad of a brush.

Both my son and my daughter will be getting the hpv shot. Why would I not want my son's junk to be 90% protected by his own immune system?
If he wraps it up like I tell him to, he probably won't ever get hpv.
What the farking hell is stupid about that?
My insurance pays for it, too.

Editor's note: it's the body, not the person, you dumb bunny.
 
2013-02-02 02:56:43 PM  
Remember folks... incessant threadsh*tting is totes sexay, good for the environment AND helps reduce the national deficit.

God bless you all!
 
2013-02-02 03:00:07 PM  

heinrich66: So there's no relation between the industry that produces, say, Vioxx and the one that now is also producing an increasing variety of vaccines?


No, there isn't. You have one example of a vaccine being pushed for profit motives, which, by the way, is effective and has good science to back up it's use in adolescents. The common childhood vaccines have a long history of success and extremely low incidence of adverse effects (and more importantly, I'm pretty sure they're all no longer patented). It's not equivalent to the covering up by a drug company of safety concerns for a new drug that could be a billion dollar earner.
 
2013-02-02 03:00:43 PM  

heinrich66: I am not anti-vaccine or anti-science


Uh-huh.
 
2013-02-02 03:05:29 PM  

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: So there's no relation between the industry that produces, say, Vioxx and the one that now is also producing an increasing variety of vaccines?

No, there isn't. You have one example of a vaccine being pushed for profit motives, which, by the way, is effective and has good science to back up it's use in adolescents. The common childhood vaccines have a long history of success and extremely low incidence of adverse effects (and more importantly, I'm pretty sure they're all no longer patented). It's not equivalent to the covering up by a drug company of safety concerns for a new drug that could be a billion dollar earner.


I named one example. If you think that's exhaustive, then good for you. Another case of: Who are you going to believe, the for-profit drug corporations or your own lying eyes?
 
2013-02-02 03:06:30 PM  

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: I am not anti-vaccine or anti-science

Uh-huh.


Ah! You had me fooled for a minute. I thought you weren't a dipshiat. But there it is.
 
2013-02-02 03:09:03 PM  

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: So there's no relation between the industry that produces, say, Vioxx and the one that now is also producing an increasing variety of vaccines?

No, there isn't. You have one example of a vaccine being pushed for profit motives, which, by the way, is effective and has good science to back up it's use in adolescents. The common childhood vaccines have a long history of success and extremely low incidence of adverse effects (and more importantly, I'm pretty sure they're all no longer patented). It's not equivalent to the covering up by a drug company of safety concerns for a new drug that could be a billion dollar earner.


Okay, this is actually incorrect. However, there are multiple ways to make some of the vaccines for the same antigens so it's essentially like having a patent run out.
 
2013-02-02 03:11:18 PM  
verbal_jizm:

No, there isn't. You have one example of a vaccine being pushed for profit motives, which, by the way, is effective and has good science to back up it's use in adolescents. The common childhood vaccines have a long history of success and extremely low incidence of adverse effects (and more importantly, I'm pretty sure they're all no longer patented). It's not equivalent to the covering up by a drug company of safety concerns for a new drug that could be a billion dollar earner.

Vioxx pushed by Merck.
Gardasil pushed by Merck.

Nothing in common here! No reason to think that Vioxx might have been symptomatic, say, of an industry or any broader context pushing the edge when it comes to questionable products...

WITHOUT PROOF I AM NOT WILLING TO BELIEVE THAT SOULLESS CORPORATIONS WOULD BE WILLING TO SELL ME CRAP TO PUT INTO MY BODY WITH ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES DOWN THE ROAD. (Except for that Vioxx thing. Now name another!)
 
2013-02-02 03:11:23 PM  

heinrich66: verbal_jizm: heinrich66: I am not anti-vaccine or anti-science

Uh-huh.

Ah! You had me fooled for a minute. I thought you weren't a dipshiat. But there it is.


You didn't have me fooled. I saw you for the troll you were but I like to point out idiocy for others that might be reading and underinformed. Now I have to get back to the lab since my weakness for responding to trolls has to occasionally give way to work.
 
2013-02-02 03:17:08 PM  

heinrich66: verbal_jizm:

That may be one of the only vaccines that is being pushed for profit purposes. It does not apply to the common childhood vaccines and flu vaccine.

"One of the only"

For the record, I am not anti-vaccine or anti-science. Older vaccines that have a long track record (like the polio vaccine) I wouldn't think twice about having a kid of mine get. But some of the newer ones, given the all-encompassing urge for profits, as well as the sheer numbers of vaccines they seem to be advocating for...I'm glad I don't have to make that decision at the present time. Antibiotics have been handed out like candy for years. Now we're starting to see 'blowback' from that in the form of superbugs. I wonder if at some point there will be blowback from over-vaccination.


You wouldn't wonder if you were educated.

Antibiotics and vaccination are not the same thing. They don't work by the same mechanisms, they...

Oh, Fark it.
Get thine ass on wiki. Learn something. You seem to have understood the over-medicating of antibiotics, but the rise of use of anti-biotic soaps, cleaners, and the ubiquitous purell have greatly contributed to the problem.
And maybe you knew that. Would you learn more about vaccination? It would be good to have you on the side of science.
 
2013-02-02 03:24:57 PM  
verbal_jizm:

You didn't have me fooled. I saw you for the troll you were but I like to point out idiocy for others that might be reading and underinformed. Now I have to get back to the lab since my weakness for responding to trolls has to occasionally give way to work.

I could tell from your last few comments that you were trying to wank yourself off by indirectly convincing some people of your medical authority. The 'back to the lab' sealed it!

I earnestly hope that you aren't working in a lab. But then again, if you are, maybe it's all right. While you may or may not know anything about medicine (leaning toward the 'not' since you're here in this thread offering comments not much different from anyone else's) you clearly are not equipped to say much on such other wild topics as basic ethics (i.e. the ethics of piling onto J. McCarthy in an internet echo chamber while simultaneously mocking medical research *for all those to whom this applies*) and sociology/economics (i.e. the obvious state of affairs in which today 'Big Pharma' routinely puts the public good second to big profits).

You haven't had much of interest to say on these two points, busy as you were feeling out whether I was the usual anti-science straw man. But you did manage to assert that between Vioxx causing deaths and Gardasil being profit-driven (your characterization) there is still no reason to doubt the pharmaceutical industry. I won't dig into the endless information online, the horror stories, of profit going before public good. Making a guess, I bet you'd just come up with counter-evidence to say it isn't so or avoid that altogether. Good luck in the 'lab'.
 
2013-02-02 03:28:11 PM  
TheMysticS:

You wouldn't wonder if you were educated.

Antibiotics and vaccination are not the same thing. They don't work by the same mechanisms, they...

Oh, Fark it.
Get thine ass on wiki. Learn something. You seem to have understood the over-medicating of antibiotics, but the rise of use of anti-biotic soaps, cleaners, and the ubiquitous purell have greatly contributed to the problem.
And maybe you knew that. Would you learn more about vaccination? It would be good to have you on the side of science.


I wonder sometimes if people like you are ever ashamed. So the point here is that antibiotics and vaccination work by two different 'mechanisms'? Or that when a) Company A makes both antibiotics and vaccines; and b) Company B is in an industry with a track record of putting profits before lives there's reason to be skeptical?

There actually are people who only ever learned to reason or debate on the internet. You seem to be among them.
 
2013-02-02 03:43:25 PM  

apoptotic: Is this "Stupid Things Happen in Canada too" Day or something?


True story: More Canadians use Fark, per capita, than Americans.
 
2013-02-02 03:44:22 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: doubled99: She is smarter than most of you

Prepare to be trampled by the herd.

Way i look at it now, people who take any injection offered by drug manufacturers under flimsy justification without applying critical thinking is a form of Darwinism that can exist in our society now that we've removed all the natural ones, so is ultimately a good thing.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled 2 minutes hate. And encourage the more abusive and angry of you to double your injections. Major symptom of brain damage is arbitrary aggression and rage, but i'm sure that's just a coincidence.


You are displaying paranoid delusional traits.
 
2013-02-02 03:48:21 PM  

nickdaisy: First of all, autism is GROSSLY over diagnosed. The correct diagnosis in almost all cases is poor parenting. They're kids. Learn to deal with them.

Second of all, who cares if someone is stupid enough not to get a vaccine. It's a self correcting problem. As long as you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.

Unless you're hoping the entire population be vaccinated so that the targeted disease can be eradicated and we don't need to vaccinate future generations.

Great idea, maybe we should also compel all people with genetic shortcomings to be sterilized.


You have displayed a vast ignorance about how vaccines work.

A vaccine is never 100% effective; they work solely because most people are supposed to have them. Herd immunity, it's how vaccines ALL work.
 
2013-02-02 03:57:50 PM  
How could someone so good looking be so stupid?
 
2013-02-02 04:19:45 PM  

the_chief: How could someone so good looking be so stupid?


Because looks aren't exactly correlated with intelligence.
 
2013-02-02 04:20:06 PM  

heinrich66: TheMysticS:

You wouldn't wonder if you were educated.

Antibiotics and vaccination are not the same thing. They don't work by the same mechanisms, they...

Oh, Fark it.
Get thine ass on wiki. Learn something. You seem to have understood the over-medicating of antibiotics, but the rise of use of anti-biotic soaps, cleaners, and the ubiquitous purell have greatly contributed to the problem.
And maybe you knew that. Would you learn more about vaccination? It would be good to have you on the side of science.

I wonder sometimes if people like you are ever ashamed. So the point here is that antibiotics and vaccination work by two different 'mechanisms'? Or that when a) Company A makes both antibiotics and vaccines; and b) Company B is in an industry with a track record of putting profits before lives there's reason to be skeptical?

There actually are people who only ever learned to reason or debate on the internet. You seem to be among them.


I'm not even sure what that last paragraph is supposed to mean. It seems to apply to you more than me.

Of course skepticism is healthy. But you didn't even phrase your sentence correctly. I did not say that company a that makes both antibiotics and vaccines and company b is in an industry of putting profits before lives should give one reason to be skeptical. I think what you meant to ask was:

Given company a makes antibiotics and vaccines

And

Given company b that is in the same industry as company a, and company b puts profits before lives

Therefore, don't you think that's a reason to be skeptical of the whole industry?

If not, you'd better re-phrase, because what you said made no sense. Re-read it out loud to yourself. See what I mean?
I never said that.

And the point of antibiotics and vaccines working by different 'mechanisms' was a dumbed-down way of speaking, and I apologize if that offended you.

Vaccines help your immune system learn what is dangerous, so that if that particular nasty (please forgive my non-scientific term) enters your system, it will know ahead of time how to deal with it, before it causes a severe problem, and compromises the system as a whole.
Antibiotics are differing formulas or substances that have been distilled and or synthesized to make a very potent version of what mother nature has provided.
You take these when your immune system can no longer handle the over-run of a bacterial infection, for many diverse reasons.

So, are they both involved in helping your immune system? Sure. Just not in the same way.


Are you trying to say that since company a manufactures both vaccines and antibiotics, that we should be suspect of their motives? If so, why? All I can draw in a conclusion is that maybe you suspect the vaccines cause the illnesses that antibiotics treat; therefore they have a scam running where they sell us the disease and the cure?

The point of my post was to say that you seem to understand that the over-prescribing of antibiotics has caused and is causing a big problem. You just can't pluck that out of thin air, so I assume you've read up on the subject.

But you seem to have less knowledge of vaccines and their purpose.
My point is read up. Don't fall prey to all of the bullshiat 'information' about vaccines that has been de-bunked, like Jenny has.


And as far as shame goes, maybe you should look in the mirror. Your post reads terribly. It's confusing , insulting and vague.

It's almost as if you learned to argue your points solely on the internet.

/swag yolo zomg
 
2013-02-02 04:45:38 PM  

TheMysticS: heinrich66: TheMysticS:

You wouldn't wonder if you were educated.

Antibiotics and vaccination are not the same thing. They don't work by the same mechanisms, they...

Oh, Fark it.
Get thine ass on wiki. Learn something. You seem to have understood the over-medicating of antibiotics, but the rise of use of anti-biotic soaps, cleaners, and the ubiquitous purell have greatly contributed to the problem.
And maybe you knew that. Would you learn more about vaccination? It would be good to have you on the side of science.

I wonder sometimes if people like you are ever ashamed. So the point here is that antibiotics and vaccination work by two different 'mechanisms'? Or that when a) Company A makes both antibiotics and vaccines; and b) Company B is in an industry with a track record of putting profits before lives there's reason to be skeptical?

There actually are people who only ever learned to reason or debate on the internet. You seem to be among them.

I'm not even sure what that last paragraph is supposed to mean. It seems to apply to you more than me.

Of course skepticism is healthy. But you didn't even phrase your sentence correctly. I did not say that company a that makes both antibiotics and vaccines and company b is in an industry of putting profits before lives should give one reason to be skeptical. I think what you meant to ask was:

Given company a makes antibiotics and vaccines

And

Given company b that is in the same industry as company a, and company b puts profits before lives

Therefore, don't you think that's a reason to be skeptical of the whole industry?

If not, you'd better re-phrase, because what you said made no sense. Re-read it out loud to yourself. See what I mean?
I never said that.

And the point of antibiotics and vaccines working by different 'mechanisms' was a dumbed-down way of speaking, and I apologize if that offended you.

Vaccines help your immune system learn what is dangerous, so that if that particular nasty (please forgive my non-scientific term) enters your system, it will know ahead of time how to deal with it, before it causes a severe problem, and compromises the system as a whole.
Antibiotics are differing formulas or substances that have been distilled and or synthesized to make a very potent version of what mother nature has provided.
You take these when your immune system can no longer handle the over-run of a bacterial infection, for many diverse reasons.

So, are they both involved in helping your immune system? Sure. Just not in the same way.


Are you trying to say that since company a manufactures both vaccines and antibiotics, that we should be suspect of their motives? If so, why? All I can draw in a conclusion is that maybe you suspect the vaccines cause the illnesses that antibiotics treat; therefore they have a scam running where they sell us the disease and the cure?

The point of my post was to say that you seem to understand that the over-prescribing of antibiotics has caused and is causing a big problem. You just can't pluck that out of thin air, so I assume you've read up on the subject.

But you seem to have less knowledge of vaccines and their purpose.
My point is read up. Don't fall prey to all of the bullshiat 'information' about vaccines that has been de-bunked, like Jenny has.


And as far as shame goes, maybe you should look in the mirror. Your post reads terribly. It's confusing , insulting and vague.

It's almost as if you learned to argue your points solely on the internet.

/swag yolo zomg


Oh, and btw, in case you doubt my skeptic cred is lacking- despite being the best target market for statins (other than being a woman, for which no studies were done before marketing) I'm not taking them.
If they don't prevent heart disease, or prevent heart attacks, what's the point?
They're only an effective plan to repair heart disease problems realted to cholesterol levels, and newer research suggests that cholesterol's mechanisms are not well understood.

Does that help?
Or are you just trolling along?
 
2013-02-02 04:47:05 PM  
Good, lord, y'all. Sorry about the wall o'text. Sometimes I forget that quoting on the phone re-posts EVERYTHING.
 
2013-02-02 05:06:22 PM  
verbal_jizm:

heinrich66: profit-driven vaccination

And here's how I know your "actual knowledge to bias" ratio on this subject.


Yeah, that's about as big fat a blinking red flag saying "I got my understanding of a complex topic off a mommy blog" as could ever be crafted.
 
2013-02-02 05:21:53 PM  

Fedora: Hadn't checked lately.  Congrats to Jenny.  She broke 1000.

http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.h tm l


That website is of really poor taste, regardless of everything else.
 
2013-02-02 05:27:49 PM  

tuna fingers: Fedora: Hadn't checked lately.  Congrats to Jenny.  She broke 1000.

http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.h tm l

That website is of really poor taste, regardless of everything else.


Oh, look, another anti-vaxxer white knighting for Jenny McCarthy. Don't you ever get tired of being fed a steady diet of bullshiat? You're going to starve your brain.
 
2013-02-02 05:42:17 PM  
heinrich66 actually arguing valid points

everyone else piling on with their ignorance by calling their position "backed by science"

cocksuckers can't even comprehend heinreich's point about blowback (unaticipated effects), of which there is ample scientific evidence of in the world of medicine and its offshoot the pharma industry

I used to spend 100's of hours on forums like this and had similar "science is on my side" views.

thank god I also read books, because I finally happened across one that honestly discussed the human condition and science. it changed my life, and reinvigorated me intellectually.

thank god I'm not one of your shiat-for-brains mainstream internet shut-ins who thinks wikipedia is a trustworthy source of information. I'm no longer under the delusion that my opinions are well-informed despite having knowledge restricted to the work of modern-day social scientists (LOL) and other politically or profit-expedient science.

I'm most especially glad to recognize that yes, living as a hermit doing nothing productive does mean that you shouldn't express opinions about anything except the smell of your own ballsack.
Damned fools.

read books. realize that there are no wizards with secret capabilities you can't comprehend (ie your belief in 'experts').
 
2013-02-02 05:51:05 PM  
Holy shiat either there are tons of antivaxer farkers or it's one guy with a bunch of alts.
 
2013-02-02 05:52:53 PM  

A Terrible Human: Holy shiat either there are tons of antivaxer farkers or it's one guy with a bunch of alts.


I'm going with the one guy and lots of sock puppets myself.
 
2013-02-02 05:59:15 PM  
But every dark tunnel has a light of hope
So don't hang yourself, with a celibate rope
 
2013-02-02 06:20:11 PM  

Night2o1: thank god I also read books, because I finally happened across one that honestly discussed the human condition and science. it changed my life, and reinvigorated me intellectually.


Yeah, that wouldn't happen to be the Urantia Book, would it?
 
2013-02-02 06:36:52 PM  
I've noticed that whenever some speaks up about what they believe in and there is a lot of people who are against what is being said, the more true the what is being said. So in Jenny's case, the more opponents she has, the more likely that what she says is true.
 
2013-02-02 06:40:28 PM  

Night2o1: read books. realize that there are no wizards with secret capabilities you can't comprehend (ie your belief in 'experts').


Yes and no. You can theoretically comprehend whatever you attempt to if you're intelligent enough; however, frequently this would take years of study and dedicated effort usually while learning from other experts. So while you can comprehend the inner workings of a cancer cell down to a molecular signalling and genetic level, or how an MRI produces images, or how to successfully set off nuclear fission, or 1000's of other things, there is a very wide gulf between being able to understand and actually understanding. Experts have value - they didn't just receive their knowledge de novo. We don't live long enough to become well versed in the whole of human understanding and couldn't keep up with every field even if we did. At some point you have to defer to the people who have put in the work.
 
2013-02-02 06:42:26 PM  

Night2o1: read books. realize that there are no wizards with secret capabilities you can't comprehend (ie your belief in 'experts').


I read a book once. It gave me polio, smallpox, genital warts AND lock jaw.

FOOKIN' BOOKS!!!
 
2013-02-02 06:47:13 PM  

blanchae: I've noticed that whenever some speaks up about what they believe in and there is a lot of people who are against what is being said, the more true the what is being said. So in Jenny's case, the more opponents she has, the more likely that what she says is true.


I'm pretty sure that's not how reality works.
 
2013-02-02 06:47:23 PM  

blanchae: I've noticed that whenever some speaks up about what they believe in and there is a lot of people who are against what is being said, the more true the what is being said. So in Jenny's case, the more opponents she has, the more likely that what she says is true.


You've opened my eyes! Those guys in the KKK are nearly universally reviled, but I bet it's just because they're right about everything. Same with the Westboro Baptist folks, could they have more opponents? They must have some powerful insight. Everyone also calls flat-earthers, birthers, truthers, moon-landing deniers, and psychics out as lunatics, but all those sheeple are just trying to keep the correct ideas down.
 
2013-02-02 06:50:07 PM  

blanchae: I've noticed that whenever some speaks up about what they believe in and there is a lot of people who are against what is being said, the more true the what is being said. So in Jenny's case, the more opponents she has, the more likely that what she says is true.


Soooo true.

I keep saying ya'll should suck my dick but everyone is all like "NAW!! WE SHOULDN'T BE SUCKIN' ON THAT NASTY OLD THANG!!!"

Therefore ya'll should be suckin' my dick.
 
2013-02-02 06:50:21 PM  

blanchae: I've noticed that whenever some speaks up about what they believe in and there is a lot of people who are against what is being said, the more true the what is being said. So in Jenny's case, the more opponents she has, the more likely that what she says is true.


You're getting really boring. I realize you're probably just the same loser posting over and over again in this thread, but you're going to have to learn to mix it up a bit before you can get more bites than this paltry sum.
 
2013-02-02 06:58:46 PM  

BumpInTheNight: I'm going with the one guy and lots of sock puppets myself.


Yeah I'm going with that too since I notice the same group of people in various threads.
 
2013-02-02 07:21:03 PM  

heinrich66: verbal_jizm:

You didn't have me fooled. I saw you for the troll you were but I like to point out idiocy for others that might be reading and underinformed. Now I have to get back to the lab since my weakness for responding to trolls has to occasionally give way to work.

I could tell from your last few comments that you were trying to wank yourself off by indirectly convincing some people of your medical authority. The 'back to the lab' sealed it!

I earnestly hope that you aren't working in a lab. But then again, if you are, maybe it's all right. While you may or may not know anything about medicine (leaning toward the 'not' since you're here in this thread offering comments not much different from anyone else's) you clearly are not equipped to say much on such other wild topics as basic ethics (i.e. the ethics of piling onto J. McCarthy in an internet echo chamber while simultaneously mocking medical research *for all those to whom this applies*) and sociology/economics (i.e. the obvious state of affairs in which today 'Big Pharma' routinely puts the public good second to big profits).

You haven't had much of interest to say on these two points, busy as you were feeling out whether I was the usual anti-science straw man. But you did manage to assert that between Vioxx causing deaths and Gardasil being profit-driven (your characterization) there is still no reason to doubt the pharmaceutical industry. I won't dig into the endless information online, the horror stories, of profit going before public good. Making a guess, I bet you'd just come up with counter-evidence to say it isn't so or avoid that altogether. Good luck in the 'lab'.


Oh my. That's some primo trolling there.
 
2013-02-02 08:27:18 PM  
My only question is why she was invited in the first place.
 
2013-02-02 08:28:56 PM  

blanchae: I've noticed that whenever some speaks up about what they believe in and there is a lot of people who are against what is being said, the more true the what is being said. So in Jenny's case, the more opponents she has, the more likely that what she says is true.


Damn, Hitler was right on the money with his whole people-oven, master race schtick then! Who knew?

And the WBC evidently knows exactly what God hates.

And your post might just be the single dumbest thing I have ever read on Fark. And I've been to the Politics Tab.
 
2013-02-02 08:30:29 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: blanchae: I've noticed that whenever some speaks up about what they believe in and there is a lot of people who are against what is being said, the more true the what is being said. So in Jenny's case, the more opponents she has, the more likely that what she says is true.

You've opened my eyes! Those guys in the KKK are nearly universally reviled, but I bet it's just because they're right about everything. Same with the Westboro Baptist folks, could they have more opponents? They must have some powerful insight. Everyone also calls flat-earthers, birthers, truthers, moon-landing deniers, and psychics out as lunatics, but all those sheeple are just trying to keep the correct ideas down.


Okay, so you beat me to the WBC. BUT I HAD HITLER, DAMMIT!!
 
2013-02-02 08:40:31 PM  
The Autism Society is not thrilled about this....they will have a comment sometime in the near future
 
2013-02-02 08:58:41 PM  

namegoeshere: Okay, so you beat me to the WBC. BUT I HAD HITLER, DAMMIT!!


I had to fight the urge to Godwin. It was pulling at me. But yeah, truly idiotic statement.
 
2013-02-02 11:42:20 PM  

James F. Campbell: That website is of really poor taste, regardless of everything else.

Oh, look, another anti-vaxxer white knighting for Jenny McCarthy. Don't you ever get tired of being fed a steady diet of bullshiat? You're going to starve your brain.


Anti-vaxxers are tards, and the website is in poor taste.  JM is inexcusably ignorant, and an embarrassment to our species.  However, the actual parents who decide not to vaccinate their kids because they believe the ravings of an idiot are much more responsible for their childrens' deaths.
 
2013-02-02 11:58:30 PM  
Well, you can take your opinion and stick it where the sun don't shine.
My husband suffers from Rheumatiod Arthritis, and is brave enough to risk his life by taking Humira. No one knows what the long-term effects of this therapy will be, but it has provided him some relief from a pain-filled day from the day he was 15, 46 now.
If he contracts tuberculosis, he will die. My kids cannot get their chicken-pox boosters, because it's a live vaccine. We can't get flu spray for the same reason. He basically has to live like an AIDS or cancer patient- also folks that get put at risk from non-vaccinators.

I doubt you'd like to have a lingering disease, because you sure talk like you've never experienced it for yourself or for a loved one.

If you're trolling, good jerb.
If not, maybe I should wish a chronic disease on you, or someone you love.
Nah, I wouldn't wish daily suffering on the worst of humanity.
And that does not include you, but you are like an electron, spinning around the nucleus of selfishness and derp that is currently the bane of a peaceful planet.

Get some real education. Like from a textbook. Not from some celebrity.


Beautifully written.  Severe RA is terrible and your husband (especially since he had such had early onset) deserves every scrap of relief he can get (although it's true, the treatments wreak hell with your immune system).  It's also a great argument for general vaccination since if your kids can't get vaccinated, having everyone around them vaccinated will protect them (by extension your husband) via herd immunity.

Best of luck to you all.
/hugs
 
2013-02-03 12:38:06 AM  
For the record, I am not anti-vaccine or anti-science. Older vaccines that have a long track record (like the polio vaccine) I wouldn't think twice about having a kid of mine get. But some of the newer ones, given the all-encompassing urge for profits, as well as the sheer numbers of vaccines they seem to be advocating for...I'm glad I don't have to make that decision at the present time. Antibiotics have been handed out like candy for years. Now we're starting to see 'blowback' from that in the form of superbugs. I wonder if at some point there will be blowback from over-vaccination.

I work in vaccine research and, despite the fact that I am involved in research to create a new vaccine, I share your trepidation about over vaccination.  "Old" vaccines have track records and reduce the incidence of potentially fatal illnesses (especially in childhood).  Yes there are side effects, yes (very rarely) they can be dangerous or fatal, but we've seen that stopping vaccination causes more disease and death than vaccinations themselves do.

So shouldn't we just vaccinate against everything?  I don't think we know enough about EXACTLY what vaccines are doing to answer that.  Our immune systems evolved to protect us and when it gets messed up it can get messed up badly.  Protect against something that can kill you, go for it.  Protect against the common cold, we're probably better off all stocking up on tissues and chicken soup and letting nature take it's course.

About Gardasil though...Big Pharma profiteering or not, it's a good idea.  Numbers differ but 95-98% of cervical cancers are caused by two of the strains it protects against.  And cervical cancer is hard to detect and hard to treat.  And has a high mortality rate.  So vaccination really does protect against a fatal disease...just one that takes a long time to kill.  And vaccinating boys protects unvaccinated girls and contributes to herd immunity (enough vaccinated people protecting the unvaccinated by severely reducing the chance they will contract the disease).

/hope that was helpful...or at least educational, and not preachy or trolly
 
2013-02-03 12:56:43 AM  

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


No.  No she is not.
 
2013-02-03 02:07:20 AM  

stoikka: doubled99: She is smarter than most of you

Doubt it.


Well, to be fair, she did figure out how to make a living with her tits, which I have not managed to do yet.

Of course, I'm male, so....
 
2013-02-03 02:18:01 AM  
Jenny McCarthy is a farking dangerous lunatic!
 
2013-02-03 09:53:45 AM  

7FARK7: Jenny McCarthy is a farking dangerous lunatic!


Well she's dangerous to the incredibly stupid people that take medical advice from her. But these people are so mentally deficient that they are dangerous to themselves with or without her.

So is it really her fault?
 
2013-02-03 10:25:55 AM  

heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)


While I jack off regularly thinking about Christina Hendricks, who by the way is occasionally photographed with her mouth closed, I don't generally listen to her medical advice either--and I actually respect her acting work.

Also, the name McCarthy and public policy have not gone well together.
 
2013-02-03 05:32:04 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Anthracite: I hate Jenny McCarthy... she should just sit on the sidelines and be a pretty face. That woman has HELPED cause the Whooping cough epidemic. Next I hear she is working on having Polio make a comeback.

/disgusting woman.

Oh btw why am I only showing 10 fark links on my front page now and am not showing yesterdays stuff... did I hit something on a page or something?

Yeah, welcome to California. Here are directions to the nearest Walgreens. Now go get your whooping cough vaccine, please.

Part of the problem though is that often adults don't keep up with their shots. I've heard tell that you don't get lifetime immunity from your childhood vaccinations (or maybe not all of them, only some of them? I don't remember for sure), and for some things we're not sure how long the immunity lasts. Can you imagine if smallpox re-emerged? The death toll would be atrocious. I think my generation was one of the last to get that vaccine. I got it, but my sis, who is only a year and a half younger than I, did not. Still, we're not sure how long that immunity lasts and while smallpox allegedly no longer exists in the wild (so to speak) it does exist in a couple of labs, both in the US and in Russia (that I know of, there may be others). That's kind of scary.


Well to enlighten you on the smallpox vaccine length is between 3 to 5 years, after 5 years immunity decreases. Since the last routine vaccinations stopped in 1972 I would say after 40 years you are screwed.

The good news is there have been recent efforts to increase the stockpile of smallpox vaccine, due to terrorist concerns. The stockpile is now large enough to vaccinate every person in the United States just in case the worst happens. Pray to whatever deity that we shall never need it.
 
2013-02-03 05:58:52 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: doubled99: She is smarter than most of you

Prepare to be trampled by the herd.

Way i look at it now, people who take any injection offered by drug manufacturers under flimsy justification without applying critical thinking is a form of Darwinism that can exist in our society now that we've removed all the natural ones, so is ultimately a good thing.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled 2 minutes hate. And encourage the more abusive and angry of you to double your injections. Major symptom of brain damage is arbitrary aggression and rage, but i'm sure that's just a coincidence.


That sounds like the kind of mustache-twirling psychoanalysis - seeing danger and abnormal psychosis in every action - that Scientology promotes. 3/10 at best.
 
2013-02-03 05:59:45 PM  

Anthracite: Oh btw why am I only showing 10 fark links on my front page now and am not showing yesterdays stuff... did I hit something on a page or something?


It's called Sunday. Click on last week's links.
 
2013-02-03 06:45:16 PM  

heinrich66: Actually, I'm attributing the absence of a single expressed viewpoint (e.g. Hey, I can understand why an uneducated woman like J. McCarthy turn against vaccines given the excesses of Big Pharma and so much contradictory medical opinion) AS proof of a consensus view. In other words, the recurring McCarthy-is-a-COONT jibe.


heinrich66: basic ethics (i.e. the ethics of piling onto J. McCarthy in an internet echo chamber while simultaneously mocking medical research *for all those to whom this applies*)


I was unaware that there was an ethical rule that you must automatically sympathize and agree with anyone speaking incorrectly, ignorantly, fraudulently, and with an unwillingness to reconsider in the face of solid facts, simply on your supposition that they must be uneducated. I mean, far be it for anyone to expect a high school graduate to be educated.

Poor, poor uneducated Jenny McCarthy. Please, everyone, we should immediately stop commenting on her continued attempts to spread deadly lies internationally to salvage her name and career from the mud - along with that of a known charlatan and fraud - because it might hurt her self-esteem, a far greater ethical tragedy.
 
2013-02-05 04:56:49 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: Mock26: "We recognized that she had some incredible talent to bring to this event."

And what exactly is that talent?  Taking her clothes off?

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Pictured: talent?


Hahaha! Legend of the horse-faced woman, oh that's good!
 
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