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(Ottawa Citizen)   Self-educated mothers everywhere are outraged that Canadians dropped Jenny McCarthy off a cancer benefit's roster, she claims it was due to autistic differences   (ottawacitizen.com) divider line 159
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2013-02-02 01:34:32 PM
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2013-02-02 01:34:49 PM

Shenanigans!: heinrich66: FARK piles on Jenny McCarthy again, then goes back to laugh-out-loud headlines on how the latest medical research is contradictory and full of shiat.

Sorry, the existence of flawed medical research doesn't automatically render Jenny McCarthy an expert on anything other than how to get paid to let people photograph her tits. But hey, she's good at that, I won't deny her that.


I don't know about GOOD at getting paid to have her tits photographed.  I mean, she does it and she has nice tits, but I have no evidence she negotiated a particularly good contract or anything.
 
2013-02-02 01:41:39 PM

Malcolm_Sex: Letters will be written!


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2013-02-02 01:42:05 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Did you kids know that according to the CDC itself, they cannot do proper scientific studies on the effectiveness of vaccines, because "Randomized, placebo-controlled trials cannot be performed ethically in populations for which vaccination already is recommended." When they do refer to studies alleged to show their effectiveness, they're actually using two groups of vaccinated people.


Yep. Because vaccines are so undeniably effective at preventing disease and death that to deny them from anyone would be unethical and dangerous. Incidentally, many drug trials these days are also comparative versus placebo-controlled. Because once you have proven that a treatment is effective, you establish a baseline of care that everyone should rightly receive. You don't need to establish that new treatments are effective against no care, you need to establish that they are better than existing minimal care. What isn't 'proper' is to question vaccine efficacy and safety with no evidence to support you. The more you know... and choose to ignore.
 
2013-02-02 01:44:30 PM

BigLuca: J. Frank Parnell: Anthracite: That woman has caused the Whooping cough epidemic.

First, Whooping Cough is caused by bacteria.

What does that have to do with anything?

Do ... do you think immunizations are only for viruses?


I loved that comment, I could just feel the joy he experienced in pointing out what he felt was Anthracite's ignorance. Was waiting for someone jump on it. Pneumococcus, meningococcus, H. influenzae, and Bordella all say hello. Or rather they don't, because we can kill them.
 
2013-02-02 01:47:00 PM

J. Frank Parnell: James F. Campbell: Wow, an anti-vaxxer. I hope you brought plenty of lube.

I thought i just made it clear i want many people to get vaccines. I think vaccines are great.

One thing me and certain groups have in common is utter disgust for the bleating herd of imbeciles. If we have to depopulate anyone it should be them. I only ask that vaccines don't become mandatory, so Darwinism can take place.


I've read your profile, particularly the part about aliens.

You ARE part of the bleating herd of imbeciles...
 
2013-02-02 01:48:06 PM

nickdaisy: Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!


I'm not saying that it should be forced by law but the spread of false information by the likes of this fine young lady is a real problem. Not sure what can be done about it because I'm a firm believer in free speech but this is kind of like yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

And I don't bother with the flu shot but the big ones I'll do. Polio doesn't sound like fun.
 
2013-02-02 01:49:49 PM

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: Second of all, who cares if someone is stupid enough not to get a vaccine. It's a self correcting problem. As long as you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.

Not true. Unless the majority of people participate the diseases can linger around, mutate, get more potent (vaccine resistant), etc... Also some people legitimately cannot get the vaccine due to other health problems. If the diseases are floating around in the anti vaccer community they can be passed on to those folks who usually have enough problems as it is aaaand sometimes the vaccines just don't work for some people. There is no guarantee it will stop an infection.

The objective is to make the diseases so rare that the times the vaccine doesn't work or is unavailable there is very little chance of those people coming into contact with it.

Herd immunity or somesuch.

/not a science talking guy

Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!


No, there will always be people who are vulnerable to a disease. It's not just a matter of natural selection. Those that get vaccinated and don't get immunity aren't necessarily genetically predispositioned to not get the immunity. It may be a stochastic thing which means there's nothing to select against. And completely aside that, there will always be babies which are too young to become immune to a disease.

As for the government bureaucrats mandating injections into peoples' precious bodily fluids issue, farking please. If people want to live in a goddamn society then they need to farking get over not being sovereign entities. That's not how it works.
 
2013-02-02 01:50:24 PM

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: Second of all, who cares if someone is stupid enough not to get a vaccine. It's a self correcting problem. As long as you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.

Not true. Unless the majority of people participate the diseases can linger around, mutate, get more potent (vaccine resistant), etc... Also some people legitimately cannot get the vaccine due to other health problems. If the diseases are floating around in the anti vaccer community they can be passed on to those folks who usually have enough problems as it is aaaand sometimes the vaccines just don't work for some people. There is no guarantee it will stop an infection.

The objective is to make the diseases so rare that the times the vaccine doesn't work or is unavailable there is very little chance of those people coming into contact with it.

Herd immunity or somesuch.

/not a science talking guy

Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!


I will never understand the mentality of people who think that "government bureaucrats" spontaneously generate the rules our society lives by, as if they're an evil hive mind or a massive brain in a jar that's long ago gone mad, controlling us for sheer malicious pleasure.  We make these rules, dingleberry.  We solicit the help of experts for things like medical, scientific, or economic rules.  Do we (or the experts) always get it right? Nope. Can the system be gamed? Hell yes.  If you think the rules are unreasonable, get off your ass and help make better ones.  If you just want to shiat the bed we all sleep in because you think it's your right as an American to do so...no.
 
2013-02-02 01:52:56 PM

here to help: And I don't bother with the flu shot


Just don't spend time around old people and young children around flu season.
 
2013-02-02 01:54:25 PM

insano: J. Frank Parnell: Did you kids know that according to the CDC itself, they cannot do proper scientific studies on the effectiveness of vaccines, because "Randomized, placebo-controlled trials cannot be performed ethically in populations for which vaccination already is recommended." When they do refer to studies alleged to show their effectiveness, they're actually using two groups of vaccinated people.

Yep. Because vaccines are so undeniably effective at preventing disease and death that to deny them from anyone would be unethical and dangerous. Incidentally, many drug trials these days are also comparative versus placebo-controlled. Because once you have proven that a treatment is effective, you establish a baseline of care that everyone should rightly receive. You don't need to establish that new treatments are effective against no care, you need to establish that they are better than existing minimal care. What isn't 'proper' is to question vaccine efficacy and safety with no evidence to support you. The more you know... and choose to ignore.


That was way too rational, intelligent and relevant to be posted on Fark. Thank you.
 
2013-02-02 01:56:54 PM
"We recognized that she had some incredible talent to bring to this event."

And what exactly is that talent?  Taking her clothes off?
 
2013-02-02 02:00:14 PM

Shenanigans!: heinrich66: FARK piles on Jenny McCarthy again, then goes back to laugh-out-loud headlines on how the latest medical research is contradictory and full of shiat.

Sorry, the existence of flawed medical research doesn't automatically render Jenny McCarthy an expert on anything other than how to get paid to let people photograph her tits. But hey, she's good at that, I won't deny her that.


Sorry, you obviously couldn't read my brief comment. Next time don't hit 'reply' just go ahead and blather.
 
2013-02-02 02:03:18 PM

verbal_jizm: here to help: And I don't bother with the flu shot

Just don't spend time around old people and young children around flu season.


I don't in general anyway and I'm extremely cautious about hanging around sick people and washing my hands. Also if I get sick I make sure I'm not spreading my germs around (unlike a lot of oblivious douchebags I've known). The only old person I occasionally hang out with is my mom and she gets her shot every year. Somehow she managed to get the flu this year anyway which is kind of crappy but she's a hearty lass and got over it.
 
2013-02-02 02:03:22 PM

Mock26: "We recognized that she had some incredible talent to bring to this event."

And what exactly is that talent?  Taking her clothes off?


music-juice.com
Pictured: talent?
 
2013-02-02 02:04:24 PM

here to help: nickdaisy: Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!

I'm not saying that it should be forced by law but the spread of false information by the likes of this fine young lady is a real problem. Not sure what can be done about it because I'm a firm believer in free speech but this is kind of like yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

And I don't bother with the flu shot but the big ones I'll do. Polio doesn't sound like fun.


Zero wild polio cases in Western Hemisphere since 1979...

Flu kills ~ 40,000 per year in US alone...

Which one us "the big one" again?
 
2013-02-02 02:04:33 PM

Occam's Disposable Razor: Mock26: "We recognized that she had some incredible talent to bring to this event."

And what exactly is that talent?  Taking her clothes off?

[music-juice.com image 600x900]
Pictured: talent?


Ugh... penis go bye bye now.

What a leathery hag.
 
2013-02-02 02:07:34 PM
I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)
 
2013-02-02 02:09:38 PM

elkboy: Flu kills ~ 40,000 per year in US alone...

Which one us "the big one" again?


Yeah yeah I know but I can't remember the last time I've had the flu and really don't hang out with much of ANYONE these days. I haven't even had a cold for a few years I'm such a hermit. I promise... if I do get sick I'll lock myself in a germ proof bubble. Besides those flu vaccines only cover certain strains that they think are going to hit hard in a specific year. Can't do nothing about the rogue strains.
 
2013-02-02 02:12:17 PM

heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)


Well, the version of this thread that exists solely in your head is more dramatic than reality, I'll give you that much.
 
2013-02-02 02:14:02 PM

heinrich66: (Gardasil for boys anyone?)


Uh... what exactly is wrong with that? Do you enjoy giving chicks cancer? Do you like having little mushrooms sprouting up on your junk?

True since the vaccine came out they've gone on a fear mongering campaign whereas before they kept patients and general public mostly in the dark about HPV but that is indeed a very good vaccination program. The current HPV rates are something like 75% or more. Hopefully in twenty years or more that'll be much lower.
 
2013-02-02 02:16:58 PM

doubled99: She is smarter than most of you


tl;dr summary: IMHO street smart, book dumb.

There are many beautiful, ample-bosomed women in the world, and particularly in the porn industry. Most of them are spit out of the bottom of it when they begin to sag. This woman has managed to make an industry out of herself as she's aged.

Now, I think there are different kinds of intelligence. I doubt she'd ever be able to pick up a textbook and do well on an exam. But, she's relatively well spoken and can memorize acting lines to a degree. And she's got a business sense.

However, her willingness to link vaccination and autism is extremely regrettable. Having an autistic child is doubtless very difficult, and without the "book learnin", it's probably easy to fall prey to someone providing satisfying, packaged answers because one doesn't have the intellectual framework with which to critically view and investigate the claims.
 
2013-02-02 02:19:40 PM
apoptotic:

Well, the version of this thread that exists solely in your head is more dramatic than reality, I'll give you that much.

What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.
 
2013-02-02 02:21:09 PM

heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)


Because there are only 2 positions to take in a topic as vast as "Medical industry malfeasance" that is discussed by thousands of people on fark with differing opinions.

Let the adults discuss it, and once we narrow it down to 2 basic black and white scenarios, we'll get back to you.
 
2013-02-02 02:23:36 PM

here to help: heinrich66: (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Uh... what exactly is wrong with that? Do you enjoy giving chicks cancer? Do you like having little mushrooms sprouting up on your junk?

True since the vaccine came out they've gone on a fear mongering campaign whereas before they kept patients and general public mostly in the dark about HPV but that is indeed a very good vaccination program. The current HPV rates are something like 75% or more. Hopefully in twenty years or more that'll be much lower.


I think then you should go out and get every vaccine you can, including the new vaccine against alcohol, which isn't really a vaccine in the strict sense, but will be marketed as one anyway. Absolutely nothing can go wrong with widespread corporate profit-driven vaccination campaigns. No unpredictable consequences in 'twenty years time'!
 
2013-02-02 02:23:39 PM

heinrich66: What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.


What's even more curious is that some people don't seem to realize that many different people post on Fark and somehow attribute every single thing that's said on here to one single super Farker who CONTROLS TEH FARKISTAN!!!
 
2013-02-02 02:24:13 PM

heinrich66: Shenanigans!: heinrich66: FARK piles on Jenny McCarthy again, then goes back to laugh-out-loud headlines on how the latest medical research is contradictory and full of shiat.

Sorry, the existence of flawed medical research doesn't automatically render Jenny McCarthy an expert on anything other than how to get paid to let people photograph her tits. But hey, she's good at that, I won't deny her that.

Sorry, you obviously couldn't read my brief comment. Next time don't hit 'reply' just go ahead and blather.


I think I'll just let you stick to that strategy, but thanks for the advice. :)
 
2013-02-02 02:25:22 PM

James F. Campbell: Jenny McCarthy is a murderess.


I agree it's absolutely horrifying that she would use her credentials and expertise in autism research to deceive so many people.
/I'm 26 minutes late for a workout with my personal trainer Stephen Hawking.
// givemeonemorerepyoubiatch. that'sit.pushiat.pushiat.
 
2013-02-02 02:26:12 PM

heinrich66: apoptotic:

Well, the version of this thread that exists solely in your head is more dramatic than reality, I'll give you that much.

What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.


Science reporting in the mass media, medical guidelines, and actual science are all different things. You seem to be conflating them. Yes, medical guidelines and science reporting are based on the actual science (to a more or less degree, the "more or less" part being key here) but they are not the same thing.

In addition, uncertainty about some aspects of medicine does not indicate uncertainty across the field. To say this is equivalent to saying that a building collapse due to one new architectural design means we can't trust those designs that have proved to be safe for years.
 
2013-02-02 02:26:22 PM

heinrich66: here to help: heinrich66: (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Uh... what exactly is wrong with that? Do you enjoy giving chicks cancer? Do you like having little mushrooms sprouting up on your junk?

True since the vaccine came out they've gone on a fear mongering campaign whereas before they kept patients and general public mostly in the dark about HPV but that is indeed a very good vaccination program. The current HPV rates are something like 75% or more. Hopefully in twenty years or more that'll be much lower.

I think then you should go out and get every vaccine you can, including the new vaccine against alcohol, which isn't really a vaccine in the strict sense, but will be marketed as one anyway. Absolutely nothing can go wrong with widespread corporate profit-driven vaccination campaigns. No unpredictable consequences in 'twenty years time'!


Ladies and gentlemen:  Meet the man who can transform tinfoil into straw!
 
2013-02-02 02:26:36 PM

Antagonism: heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)

Because there are only 2 positions to take in a topic as vast as "Medical industry malfeasance" that is discussed by thousands of people on fark with differing opinions.

Let the adults discuss it, and once we narrow it down to 2 basic black and white scenarios, we'll get back to you.


What are those two opinions? I only point out that it's funny that Jenny McCarthy, who probably could never be taken as authoritative because she a) is a bimbo; b) has a kid with autism keeps getting beaten up on, whereas if you took all the comments on the threads from other articles I'd mentioned, there's a healthy skepticism about contemporary medical research and its BS factor. And I'd bet those two populations overlap.
 
2013-02-02 02:26:36 PM

heinrich66: I think then you should go out and get every vaccine you can, including the new vaccine against alcohol, which isn't really a vaccine in the strict sense, but will be marketed as one anyway. Absolutely nothing can go wrong with widespread corporate profit-driven vaccination campaigns. No unpredictable consequences in 'twenty years time'!


I too enjoy hyperbole and misdirection.

Man I miss the times when you could occasionally have an actual conversation on this site.
 
2013-02-02 02:28:29 PM

here to help: heinrich66: What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.

What's even more curious is that some people don't seem to realize that many different people post on Fark and somehow attribute every single thing that's said on here to one single super Farker who CONTROLS TEH FARKISTAN!!!


Nope. But I bet those two bodies of opinion overlap in many people. That's why I called it 'cognitive dissonance'. After all, the internet tends toward creating echo chambers. Didn't you notice?
 
2013-02-02 02:28:30 PM
Wow. I never thought I'd see the day. Moronic anti-vaxxers white knighting Jenny McCarthy on Fark. And people say things are bad on the Politics tab? Psssh.
 
2013-02-02 02:28:39 PM

heinrich66: here to help: heinrich66: (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Uh... what exactly is wrong with that? Do you enjoy giving chicks cancer? Do you like having little mushrooms sprouting up on your junk?

True since the vaccine came out they've gone on a fear mongering campaign whereas before they kept patients and general public mostly in the dark about HPV but that is indeed a very good vaccination program. The current HPV rates are something like 75% or more. Hopefully in twenty years or more that'll be much lower.

I think then you should go out and get every vaccine you can, including the new vaccine against alcohol, which isn't really a vaccine in the strict sense, but will be marketed as one anyway. Absolutely nothing can go wrong with widespread corporate profit-driven vaccination campaigns. No unpredictable consequences in 'twenty years time'!


None of what you are saying is reason enough to give up a legitimate vaccination program that has proven results, saved millions of lives, stopped diseases that have plagued humans for thousands of years, etc. etc.

THE SCIENCE DONT MAKE SENSE TO ME SO BURN IT ALL. THEY SAY THAY MAKE ALCOHOL VACCINE AND THEY USE MERCURY IN THEM. THEY ARE ALL CLEARLY BAD.
 
2013-02-02 02:31:11 PM

heinrich66: profit-driven vaccination


And here's how I know your "actual knowledge to bias" ratio on this subject. There is very little profit in vaccines. If you're worried about the profit motives of drug manufacturers influencing research or suppressing information about side effects, look at the drugs that target chronic conditions at a high incidence in the population. Those, at least, are big profit drivers for the pharmaceutical industry.
 
2013-02-02 02:32:03 PM

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: apoptotic:

Well, the version of this thread that exists solely in your head is more dramatic than reality, I'll give you that much.

What's more curious is how you can't seem to recall the 50+ other anti-Jenny McCarthy threads right alongside the 50+ threads on contradictory MS medical research right alongside the 50+ other stories on flu hysteria and BS drugs that don't work.

Science reporting in the mass media, medical guidelines, and actual science are all different things. You seem to be conflating them. Yes, medical guidelines and science reporting are based on the actual science (to a more or less degree, the "more or less" part being key here) but they are not the same thing.

In addition, uncertainty about some aspects of medicine does not indicate uncertainty across the field. To say this is equivalent to saying that a building collapse due to one new architectural design means we can't trust those designs that have proved to be safe for years.


You used that wonderful word 'conflated'. I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions. 1. Big Media and Big Pharma hype the need for vaccines. 2. This hype produces an overall bad situation, as when people are getting vaccine after vaccine after vaccine.

You can dispute either one of these, especially 2. But I see the same point of view in doctors who simultaneously prescribe fifteen different medications to a patient -- all to treat separate ailments -- and then wonder why the patient's overall health declines.
 
2013-02-02 02:32:56 PM

heinrich66: You used that wonderful word 'conflated'. I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions. 1. Big Media and Big Pharma hype the need for vaccines. 2. This hype produces an overall bad situation, as when people are getting vaccine after vaccine after vaccine.


Man, I wish I could give you polio.

I bet that would change your mind real farkin' quick, you evil scum-sucking shiatbag.
 
2013-02-02 02:33:37 PM

heinrich66: healthy skepticism


Skepticism and tinfoil are not the same thing.
 
2013-02-02 02:34:33 PM

James F. Campbell: Wow. I never thought I'd see the day. Moronic anti-vaxxers white knighting Jenny McCarthy on Fark. And people say things are bad on the Politics tab? Psssh.


The witty snark that used to rule the place got hijacked into a game of who could out asshole everybody else.

Very sad indeed.
 
2013-02-02 02:34:44 PM

heinrich66: Antagonism: heinrich66: I just love the cognitive dissonance in discussion threads like this one. Catch people at the right moment and they'll readily admit: a) that medical research contradicts itself all the time (see FARK headlines past six months), and b) Big Pharma and Big Media try to produce a new hysteria every year about swine/bird/Rhesus Bejesus Monkey Flu *just for big profits*. (Gardasil for boys anyone?)

Meanwhile, on the other side of the cognitive divide, Jenny McCarthy is a science-hating monster Medievalist who is now DIRECTLY responsible every time someone living in the Yukon doesn't get a MMR shot.

(Editor's Note: Half of these McCarthy-haters and vitriolists have previously shot other bodily fluids all over her virtual bazookas.)

Because there are only 2 positions to take in a topic as vast as "Medical industry malfeasance" that is discussed by thousands of people on fark with differing opinions.

Let the adults discuss it, and once we narrow it down to 2 basic black and white scenarios, we'll get back to you.

What are those two opinions? I only point out that it's funny that Jenny McCarthy, who probably could never be taken as authoritative because she a) is a bimbo; b) has a kid with autism keeps getting beaten up on, whereas if you took all the comments on the threads from other articles I'd mentioned, there's a healthy skepticism about contemporary medical research and its BS factor. And I'd bet those two populations overlap.


"I'd bet those two populations overlap".

Okay so its all conjecture based on how you feel about the Fark community as a whole.

This comment alone proves that you're a farking idiot, as is anyone else who comes to Fark and generalizes about Farkers. You have every opinion here, every good idea, every blithering idiot. We as humans are generally all represented here. You are framing it as if you can either be pro-science/R&D, or pro-Jenny McCarthy, and that since Fark has both people here that we're some massive group of confused dipshiats that can't get our opinions straight.

You're exactly like the retards who think that Fark is conservative or liberal, pro or anti-gun. People like you just gravitate toward posts that either fit your point of view, or are in direct opposition. That is a bad way to use your brain. There is more than one person here talking to you.

Most of us have enough skepticism of the health industry. At the same time, we can be objective about shiat like vaccines.  Jenny McCarthy is a coont. The health industry are full of coonts. Why do I have to choose one to defend and run with it?
 
2013-02-02 02:35:35 PM
Antagonism:

None of what you are saying is reason enough to give up a legitimate vaccination program that has proven results, saved millions of lives, stopped diseases that have plagued humans for thousands of years, etc. etc.

No, it isn't. But then, I haven't said that I was for that. I'm just broadly skeptical of what I see as a big push for vaccines at all ages for all things. Because that push is profit-driven and not ultimately for the public good, I am skeptical. I think things can go wrong, and even medical research (gasp!) might be potentially bent for the profit motive.
 
2013-02-02 02:35:44 PM

heinrich66: You can dispute either one of these


Lol.
 
2013-02-02 02:37:43 PM

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: profit-driven vaccination

And here's how I know your "actual knowledge to bias" ratio on this subject. There is very little profit in vaccines. If you're worried about the profit motives of drug manufacturers influencing research or suppressing information about side effects, look at the drugs that target chronic conditions at a high incidence in the population. Those, at least, are big profit drivers for the pharmaceutical industry.


Wow. Really? No profits, eh? Or 'very little'? So Big Pharma lobby state legislatures to make, say, Gardasil mandatory is purely for the public good. Huh.
 
2013-02-02 02:39:43 PM

James F. Campbell: heinrich66: You used that wonderful word 'conflated'. I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions. 1. Big Media and Big Pharma hype the need for vaccines. 2. This hype produces an overall bad situation, as when people are getting vaccine after vaccine after vaccine.

Man, I wish I could give you polio.

I bet that would change your mind real farkin' quick, you evil scum-sucking shiatbag.


That's because I'm against the polio vaccine. How's your froth level? You need a mint?
 
2013-02-02 02:43:08 PM

heinrich66: broadly skeptical of what I see as a big push for vaccines at all ages for all things


You will assume that a very well established preventative measure that has clear guidelines that aren't in contradiction with themselves every other year is worthy of skepticism because some other aspect of medicine has had recent dispute.
 
2013-02-02 02:43:47 PM
Antagonism:

This comment alone proves that you're a farking idiot, as is anyone else who comes to Fark and generalizes about Farkers. You have every opinion here, every good idea, every blithering idiot. We as humans are generally all represented here. You are framing it as if you can either be pro-science/R&D, or pro-Jenny McCarthy, and that since Fark has both people here that we're some ...

Not hard to generalize since I never see the opinion I just expressed. I see one echo chamber set up for the pummeling Jenny McCarthy meme. I see another set up for laughing at laughable medical research.

And in the past ten minutes, I've been called an 'evil scum-sucking shiatbag' for...what? Suggesting that some of the people who pile on this suffering mother AND laugh at the ways Science can be full of shiat ought to reconcile their views.

Now, you might earnestly swear on your mother's cookbook that there's nobody on FARK like that, and that everyone here has carefully thought-out and consistent views. But I doubt it.
 
2013-02-02 02:44:43 PM

nickdaisy: here to help: nickdaisy: Second of all, who cares if someone is stupid enough not to get a vaccine. It's a self correcting problem. As long as you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.

Not true. Unless the majority of people participate the diseases can linger around, mutate, get more potent (vaccine resistant), etc... Also some people legitimately cannot get the vaccine due to other health problems. If the diseases are floating around in the anti vaccer community they can be passed on to those folks who usually have enough problems as it is aaaand sometimes the vaccines just don't work for some people. There is no guarantee it will stop an infection.

The objective is to make the diseases so rare that the times the vaccine doesn't work or is unavailable there is very little chance of those people coming into contact with it.

Herd immunity or somesuch.

/not a science talking guy

Tough luck. I'd rather have a lingering disease than a few outliers suffer from than a government bureaucrat mandating that I have to stick something in myself. Come to think of it, in a few generations the outliers will die out and problem solved!


Well, you can take your opinion and stick it where the sun don't shine.
My husband suffers from Rheumatiod Arthritis, and is brave enough to risk his life by taking Humira. No one knows what the long-term effects of this therapy will be, but it has provided him some relief from a pain-filled day from the day he was 15, 46 now.
If he contracts tuberculosis, he will die. My kids cannot get their chicken-pox boosters, because it's a live vaccine. We can't get flu spray for the same reason. He basically has to live like an AIDS or cancer patient- also folks that get put at risk from non-vaccinators.

I doubt you'd like to have a lingering disease, because you sure talk like you've never experienced it for yourself or for a loved one.

If you're trolling, good jerb.
If not, maybe I should wish a chronic disease on you, or someone you love.
Nah, I wouldn't wish daily suffering on the worst of humanity.
And that does not include you, but you are like an electron, spinning around the nucleus of selfishness and derp that is currently the bane of a peaceful planet.

Get some real education. Like from a textbook. Not from some celebrity.
 
2013-02-02 02:45:30 PM

heinrich66: I am not conflating anything. I am expressing two different opinions.


Actually you're attributing a variety of different opinions, held by members of a disparate group, to the group as a whole and then using that to insinuate that makes all members of the group hypocrites.
 
2013-02-02 02:46:05 PM

verbal_jizm: heinrich66: broadly skeptical of what I see as a big push for vaccines at all ages for all things

You will assume that a very well established preventative measure that has clear guidelines that aren't in contradiction with themselves every other year is worthy of skepticism because some other aspect of medicine has had recent dispute.


So there's no relation between the industry that produces, say, Vioxx and the one that now is also producing an increasing variety of vaccines?
 
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