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(Fox News)   Highly paid athletes leaving California because of the high state income tax, decimating the football and basketball teams at USC and UCLA   (foxnews.com) divider line 35
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2013-02-02 07:37:13 AM
I assume divorcing 'trophy wives' in California also comes into play here.
 
2013-02-02 07:37:23 AM
Yeah, there's such a strong disincentive for athletes in California that their professional teams can't hire anyone good.  And frankly, these high state taxes has been a problem for sports teams for a LONG time now!  Think about it, it's been almost 5 months since a baseball team from California won the World Series!  And don't even get me started on the struggles the 49ers are having!  And look at the poor Lakers and Clippers---neither of those teams can attract world-class basketball talent, because of the crushingly high taxes.
 
2013-02-02 07:49:52 AM
California != Mississippi or Florida. California will continue to be the driving economic force of the US.
 
2013-02-02 07:53:05 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Yeah, there's such a strong disincentive for athletes in California that their professional teams can't hire anyone good.  And frankly, these high state taxes has been a problem for sports teams for a LONG time now!  Think about it, it's been almost 5 months since a baseball team from California won the World Series!  And don't even get me started on the struggles the 49ers are having!  And look at the poor Lakers and Clippers---neither of those teams can attract world-class basketball talent, because of the crushingly high taxes.


And it's really sad that the Angels and Dodgers have had such a poor offseason signing talent because of this.  Both teams are decimated now, with the Dodgers payroll at a measly $213M and the Angels with a pathetic $152, good enough only for the fourth highest payroll in the league.
 
2013-02-02 08:23:53 AM
Hey look, more biased opinions from one or two people packaged to look like absolute consensus truth.

Must be Fox N....
 
2013-02-02 08:31:00 AM
As a guy who gets less than half his check after taxes, retirement contributions, and health care, my sympathy for the poor rich people is zero.
 
2013-02-02 08:50:09 AM
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"OMG waaaaahhhhhhh, I'm only going to make  way too much money this year instead of way, way too much! The horror!"

Yeah, fark you.
 
2013-02-02 09:18:40 AM
Student athletes are fleeing California? The one who aren't allowed to earn money? Really?
 
2013-02-02 09:24:00 AM
If the 49ers win the Super Bowl and either the Clippers or Lakers win the NBA Championship, every major pro sport champion will reside in CA.

Baseball - Giants
MLS - Galaxy
Hockey - Kings

Yep, there's a crisis!
 
2013-02-02 09:27:34 AM
It's their money, if they have to change the address of their main residence to keep a large portion of what they earned, so be it.  States that learn how to spend and collect responsibly will find it lucrative attracting the wealthy.
 
2013-02-02 09:29:08 AM

ginandbacon: Student athletes are fleeing California? The one who aren't allowed to earn money? Really?


Whoooooooooooosh!
 
2013-02-02 10:33:14 AM

Tyee: States that learn how to spend and collect responsibly will find it lucrative attracting the wealthy.


"Responsibility" has jack shiat to do with it, but if tax shell games and 3rd-world policies get states loaded up with plutocrats, I say let them.  Places full of wealthy people become saturated with douchebags who think traffic laws don't apply to them, consume local resources like the Mayan calendar will reset tomorrow, impose their regressive agendas on everyone else, raise the cost of living on everyone and then have the gall to say the city's a wonderful place because of them.  The places I've been that do much better attract talent, not wealth.  That can run counterproductive to bending over backwards for rich stupid athletes, but then it's a sort of win-win in my book.
 
2013-02-02 11:35:22 AM

digistil: California != Mississippi or Florida. California will continue to be the driving economic force of the US.


Florida has no state income tax. It has plenty of tax incentives for businesses there. Good luck with your service industry job.
 
2013-02-02 12:44:31 PM

dragonchild: Tyee: States that learn how to spend and collect responsibly will find it lucrative attracting the wealthy.

"Responsibility" has jack shiat to do with it, but if tax shell games and 3rd-world policies get states loaded up with plutocrats, I say let them.  Places full of wealthy people become saturated with douchebags who think traffic laws don't apply to them, consume local resources like the Mayan calendar will reset tomorrow, impose their regressive agendas on everyone else, raise the cost of living on everyone and then have the gall to say the city's a wonderful place because of them.  The places I've been that do much better attract talent, not wealth.  That can run counterproductive to bending over backwards for rich stupid athletes, but then it's a sort of win-win in my book.


As someone who is watching half the state of Titanic...er California jump ship to come to Austin, Im getting a kick.......
 
2013-02-02 12:57:07 PM

Trollin4Colon: As someone who is watching half the state of Titanic...er California jump ship to come to Austin, Im getting a kick.......


Austin used to be a lot better all the left coast refugees invaded. Why don't they stay and fix the place they farked up instead of trying to ruin other people's homes?
 
2013-02-02 12:59:25 PM
FTFA: Technically, all employees who earn money for work done outside their home states have to pay non-resident taxes, but enforcement has focused on millionaire athletes with publicized work schedules to the extent is is commonly called the "jock tax."

my wife worked for a bank in Philly years ago and she saw checks from players/coaches on other teams all the time
/Bill Parcells wrote "fark you" in the memo line after a Giants game
 
2013-02-02 01:36:39 PM
This is part of the reason why the Yankees "overpay" for players every time; around 3% income tax from NYC plus the state tax.  Baseball (with no cap) is easier for teams to deal with it, but in football I could see teams having a problem when your "even numbers" contract is worth 10% less than a Texas or Florida teams offer.
 
2013-02-02 01:45:39 PM
Tax hikes COULD send athletes away.

I didn't RTFA because I have a problem with giving Fox News clicks, but the above line was viewable when I hovered over the link. So can someone who read the article verify if anyone actually said they were leaving the state over this? I thought I heard some grousing from Phil Mickelson the other day. Phil Mickelson, the second most successful golfer of our time, who is worth about $150 million and made about $45 million last year. More money than he could ever spend in a lifetime & he's not done with his career yet. He made $45 million playing golf. And he's mad. About doing his part. Such a sad story.
 
2013-02-02 01:52:35 PM

edmo: As a guy who gets less than half his check after taxes,  retirement contributions, and health care, my sympathy for the poor rich people is zero.


You are not losing this money, so you shouldn't act like it's being taken away from you.

/I don't have sympathy either, but it's not like athletes are looking for it. They're just doing what's best for their own finances.
/Crossed the border from IL to IN, largely in part to differences in taxes.
 
2013-02-02 02:04:42 PM
Highly paid athletes leaving California because of the high state income tax,

It's sad that there are no talented athletes left in California, but I'm not sure if it's the taxes or the fact that they have to be in New Orleans by tomorrow.
 
2013-02-02 02:13:53 PM

FloydA: Highly paid athletes leaving California because of the high state income tax,

It's sad that there are no talented athletes left in California, but I'm not sure if it's the taxes or the fact that they have to be in New Orleans by tomorrow.


If the 49ers aren't here in town yet, I'm betting everything I own on the Ravens.

Toronto teams have run into this problem in the NBA and MLB. Agents will demand higher salaries from the Blue Jays because the higher tax rates in Canada diminish the value of the contract relative to many other places.  I don't consider it bad or evil. It's just smart business.
 
2013-02-02 02:19:20 PM
Nabb1:

Toronto teams have run into this problem in the NBA and MLB. Agents will demand higher salaries from the Blue Jays because the higher tax rates in Canada diminish the value of the contract relative to many other places.  I don't consider it bad or evil. It's just smart business.

Good point.  And of course the more sports teams the city has, the worse the problem is.  Toronto can at least be thankful that they don't have a hockey team.
 
2013-02-02 02:20:39 PM

Free Radical: and either the Clippers or Lakers win the NBA Championship


That's comedy gold right there, Lou.
 
2013-02-02 03:41:01 PM
I've heard several people cite this as a reason why Oregon has so few professional sports teams.  State laws require people working in Oregon even for just a few days to pay taxes on whatever they earn while in the state, so visiting teams basically get hit with a 9% income tax for each game they play here.  Your residence doesn't matter if you're working in the state.
 
2013-02-02 04:25:38 PM

Trollin4Colon: As someone who is watching half the state of Titanic...er California jump ship to come to Austin


Austin has 19 million people now?  That would make it more populous than Tokyo.

I hear this a lot, but fact is, every state has people who leave that biatch about how much it sucks.  I think I've heard complaints about all 50 states within my lifetime.  Since California has more people than any other state, there will be more people who hate it than any other state even if the detractors were a statistical average.  And since Californians tend to be pussies who avoid states with any sort of winter like they're going out of style, they'll wind up in places like Texas.
 
2013-02-02 04:31:54 PM

davidphogan: I've heard several people cite this as a reason why Oregon has so few professional sports teams.  State laws require people working in Oregon even for just a few days to pay taxes on whatever they earn while in the state, so visiting teams basically get hit with a 9% income tax for each game they play here.  Your residence doesn't matter if you're working in the state.


Every state does this.  Oregon is a large state by area, but not by population.  Baseball and football are located in all cities bigger than Portland on the west coast, I believe.  More a case of being just outside the target area.  And you need a populace willing to be bilked for a stadium.

/could probably add a pro team or two, though, if not for the stadium issue
 
2013-02-02 04:58:22 PM

Droog8912: Every state does this.  Oregon is a large state by area, but not by population.  Baseball and football are located in all cities bigger than Portland on the west coast, I believe.  More a case of being just outside the target area.  And you need a populace willing to be bilked for a stadium.

/could probably add a pro team or two, though, if not for the stadium issue


Not every state.  Washington State has no income tax for example.  Same with Florida and Texas.  Those states have lots of teams.

We have an arena that was designed to be dual use NBA/NHL, plus the Winterhawks (junior hockey) average over 8000 people per game and they usually play in a smaller arena, yet nobody has seriously talked about bringing hockey to Portland since the Penguins were almost for sale in the late 90's.

Another factor I've heard is the lack of local ownership groups who'd pay what the NHL charges for a team, but I have to wonder if Seattle has an advantage at attracting businesses like sports teams with their lack of a state income tax.

The lack of a stadium has been discussed in Portland a bit, too.  One site that's been discussed for a while if Portland every has someone seriously trying to bring major league baseball to the city is the main post office complex in NW, right in the center of the city.  The bigger issue for that is nobody's trying to bring a baseball team to town, so other than being talked about every few years nothing has happened.

And for football Phil night already owns the Ducks, so he's not looking to buy an NFL team also.  I don't think there's another person in Oregon who has the money and interest to get a team in the first place, so nobody's really worried about a stadium.

It just seems like unless some local just wants a team here (Merritt Paulson, Paul Allen) the biggest problem would be that an outsider isn't going to choose to put a team in a state where he's at a competitive disadvantage in contract negotiations against states like Washington, Florida and Texas without the benefits to sell an athlete on of getting to be a star in a huge media market like NY or California.
 
2013-02-02 05:10:40 PM

dragonchild: Trollin4Colon: As someone who is watching half the state of Titanic...er California jump ship to come to Austin

Austin has 19 million people now?  That would make it more populous than Tokyo.

I hear this a lot, but fact is, every state has people who leave that biatch about how much it sucks.  I think I've heard complaints about all 50 states within my lifetime.  Since California has more people than any other state, there will be more people who hate it than any other state even if the detractors were a statistical average.  And since Californians tend to be pussies who avoid states with any sort of winter like they're going out of style, they'll wind up in places like Texas.



Uh,no. Its not just my imagination.Google "Californians moving to Texas". So in short, You are wrong. Except for the weather comment.
 
2013-02-02 05:37:39 PM

Trollin4Colon: Uh,no. Its not just my imagination.Google "Californians moving to Texas". So in short, You are wrong. Except for the weather comment.


A net gain of 21,000 more Californians moving to Texas than Texans moving to CA is not half the state.

Link
 
2013-02-02 05:37:59 PM

skrame: edmo: As a guy who gets less than half his check after taxes, retirement contributions, and health care, my sympathy for the poor rich people is zero.

You are not losing this money, so you shouldn't act like it's being taken away from you.


At the risk of leading this off-topic. I count the money yanked from my check for retirement as lost money too. I have my doubts that it will be still there when it comes time for me to retire.

Back on topic-

I have my doubts that cost of income taxes would play that much of a role on the far majority of professional athletes decisions unless they are barely clinging to a team roster- then they don't really have much choice on where they go as they would pretty much have to take what they could get.
 
2013-02-02 05:40:19 PM
I am also thinking more of team sports than individual sports as they used in their example of Tiger Woods.
 
2013-02-02 07:02:48 PM
does that mean they are going to stop playing in those states after they move away from them?
 
2013-02-02 07:58:19 PM
Hockey - Kings
Baseball - Giants
Football - Could be the 49ers
Basketball - Clippers, Golden State and the Lakers are all good.
 
2013-02-02 10:25:05 PM
Is this where I come in and remind people that THANKS to Governor Moonbeam, CAlifornia is projected to have a surplus this year?


If there's anything that drives away business, its states that don't bend over backwards to give them tax breaks and have budget surpluses.
 
2013-02-02 10:32:47 PM

SeekingSanity: skrame: edmo: As a guy who gets less than half his check after taxes, retirement contributions, and health care, my sympathy for the poor rich people is zero.

You are not losing this money, so you shouldn't act like it's being taken away from you.

At the risk of leading this off-topic. I count the money yanked from my check for retirement as lost money too. I have my doubts that it will be still there when it comes time for me to retire.


Jumping off-topic with you: Understood. Without sounding like a douche, I would suggest you put the money in a form that is guaranteed to be there.
 
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