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2013-02-02 09:29:11 AM
9 votes:
It's interesting that this study doesn't even mention any of the new, growing concerns being shared by some leading researchers concerning the even more alarming health effects of fluoride, and I have to wonder whether Dr. Joseph Mercola is in the bag for someone. No mention of the possible connections between fluoridation in biomatter and spontaneous combustion? We're talking about the possible long-term effects of extreme mega-doses of fluoride upon a child's IQ, which is probably very low anyway considering kids these days, instead of looking at the very real danger of immediate death?

How many of you really understand fluoride's history after all? How many of you know that it was originally developed as nitroglycofluoride, and that for years it was one of the most stable chemical explosives available on the battlefield. During World War I, NGF bombs and artillery shells, as they were known, devastated huge swaths of the French countryside. But there was an interesting side effect to these that nobody had expected: soldiers caught on the outer periphery of a blast, soldiers who otherwise would have eventually succumbed to devastating infections in their wounds, began surviving at disproportionately high rates. Which is good if you're an injured solider, but bad if you're trying to win a war. And so the best British and American minds, along with a French mind, embarked upon a journey of exploration and discovery and discovered something shocking: fluoride, while highly explosive when combined with certain other chemicals like nitro and glyco, also had properties that made it very beneficial to human tissue, particularly bones and teeth.

Can you imagine their shock? It was like when they'd discovered penicillin by accident, those early, happy years before they'd learned about how penicillin causes impotence. And so they did some quick retinkering to the  nitroglycofluoride formula, pulled out the fluoride and replaced it with cerin, and presto! Really good explosions, high-quality maiming, big win.

But what to do with fluoride? How to realize its unique benefits? It wasn't long before they hit upon the idea of putting it into drinking water to help improve oral health. England in particular was experiencing a tooth crisis at the time, was down to a level of barely 5 percent of usable teeth in the entire population. With  fluoride, they reversed a long, downward trend within a span of merely three generations, and England today enjoys tooth usability rates well into the 40, 45 percent range. Other countries, too, benefited, though perhaps to not such a high degree.

But nobody knew then about radiation. See, radiation wouldn't be discovered for another few decades, at Hiroshima, and so nobody then that, while stable when removed from other chemical agents,  fluorideitself retains a very high latent flash point that is especially susceptible to radiation. And we're not even talking about huge doses of radiation like atom bombs. We're talking about latent radiation, the sort of radiation that is given off by microwaves, by airport scanners, by x-ray machines. We're talking a world in which every human being on earth has been essentially turned into a walking bomb that is merely one millirad of radiation exposure away from going off. It's happened already, numerous times. Some have suggested, in fact, that the explosion at Fukushima was fluoride-based. Is it small wonder, then, that the world government and UN have worked so hard to keep this secret?

Or maybe it's more sinister than that. Maybe they want to turn their citizens into walking fluoride bombs, so that if the citizenry ever does rise up to throw off tyranny, they can release a carefully calibrated radiation transmission, perhaps from an orbital satellite, and kill us all. It's something to think about.
2013-02-02 10:10:19 AM
7 votes:
One of the reasons that Americans are so science-illiterate is because of reporting like this and their inability to distinguish between pseudo-science and real science.

Screw you, HuffPo.
2013-02-02 07:56:31 AM
7 votes:
Harvard? The doctor is well-known "alternative" medicine guy criticized by just about everybody.  I'm not saying he's a quack but plenty of others have. Just Google.
2013-02-02 08:24:44 AM
5 votes:
Serum-fluoride concentrations associated with high intakes from drinking-water may exceed 1 mg/L, or 50 Smol/L, thus more than 1000-times the levels of some other neurotoxicants that cause neurodevelopmental damage.

That's a lot of fluoride. I doubt you get that much from intentional fluoridation.
2013-02-02 10:12:39 AM
4 votes:
His wikipedia entry is quite interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola

To sum:  Pretty much thinks we should bring medical practices back to the 18th century.  And he has the leading website for alternative fringe 'medical' theories.

Wondering if this article was 'paid advertising' more than anything else.
2013-02-02 10:59:07 AM
3 votes:

Mcaffolder: So wait.... is fluoride bad or good?


It's like salt. A little bit will help, too much and you've got problems. A tiny amount of fluoride prevents tooth decay, too much causes brittle bones. They're trying to claim that areas with tonnes of natural fluoride present in water sources in rural China are correlated with lowered IQs by a whopping half point. I'm pretty sure the lead and mercury emitted burning fossil fuels would be a way bigger source of concern, not to mention the particulate matter blocking everyone's lungs.
2013-02-02 10:24:39 AM
3 votes:

IntertubeUser: One of the reasons that Americans are so science-illiterate is because of reporting like this and their inability to distinguish between pseudo-science and real science.

Screw you, HuffPo.


www.ethannonsequitur.com

Just because it needs repeating. In Mercola's case I'm not sure it's ignorance so much as his morally bankrupt drive for getting rich off of other people's ignorance.
2013-02-02 10:14:01 AM
3 votes:
Oh, God. I came here to scream at subby for tricking me into reading a Mercola post, but then I read Pocket Ninja's post, and it made everything worthwhile.

A gem of that quality is easily worth half an hour wasted on Merconium.
2013-02-02 10:34:45 AM
2 votes:
Larry Hund, a pediatrician and leader in the pro-fluoride group Wichitans for Healthy Teeth, said he had taken the Harvard study with a grain of salt even before the researchers acknowledged that it didn't address American fluoridated water.

"They're looking at fluoride levels 10 times what we see here in the U.S.," he said. In addition, he pointed out that most of the studies were done in China and didn't account for other factors that can influence IQ scores such as poverty, exposure to heavy metal pollution and dietary deficiencies.

He said fluoridated water has been used in the United States for about 65 years without causing noticeable problems.

"We have the best research hospitals in the world," he said. "They're in communities using fluoridated water. If something was wrong, these researchers would be waving a red flag."

He said he's passionate about the cause because he sees children in his practice - especially those whose parents can't afford much dental treatment or fluoride supplements - go through unnecessary pain that could be prevented.

"The saddest ones you see are the kids with several cavities that need to be fixed and their parents can't afford it," he said. "I think it's a shame we're withholding this from our children."

The Harvard scientists did not gather the original data for the paper they published in July, titled "Developmental Fluoride Neurotoxicity: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis."

The Harvard paper was a compilation of 27 other studies, 25 of which were done in China.

Harvard Scientists: Data on Fluoride, IQ Not Applicable In US
2013-02-02 10:27:07 AM
2 votes:
maybe you just need a great big Hg
2013-02-02 10:20:44 AM
2 votes:
I grew up in Newburgh NY, one of the first towns to have fluoridated water.

I have a Masters degree... from Harvard.

Draw your own conclusions.
2013-02-02 10:13:08 AM
2 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Or maybe it's more sinister than that. Maybe they want to turn their citizens into walking fluoride bombs, so that if the citizenry ever does rise up to throw off tyranny, they can release a carefully calibrated radiation transmission, perhaps from an orbital satellite, and kill us all. It's something to think about.


25.media.tumblr.com
2013-02-02 09:07:02 AM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com

Don't say you weren't warned.
2013-02-03 11:27:06 PM
1 votes:
Afraid of fluoridated water, but perfectly fine with water with alcohol in it? Alcohol is a very dangerous chemical, and causes far more problems than fluoride. Here you are, complaining about trace amounts of fluoride, and poisoning your brain and liver with alcohol.
2013-02-03 07:45:15 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Fluoride is only useful for its intended purpose (remineralizing the teeth) when applied TOPICALLY, as in ON YOUR TEETH, as in toothpaste, mouth rinse, etc.

It provides no such benefit if taken internally (swallowing in water food, Pepsi, Coke, beer, etc) or externally (showing, bathing, washing your hair, dog clothes car etc.)

Conversely, the RISKS associated with fluoride WHEN APPLIED TOPICALLY TO THE TEETH are minimal, whereas taking fluoride INTERNALLY can be toxic.

So we're adding fluoride to the municipal water systems... why?

Adding fluoride to municipal water systems makes as much sense as spraying sunscreen from crop dusters.


I've repeatedly linked you scientific studies that show a large increase in fluoride levels in saliva for 30-60 minutes after drinking a glass of fluoridated water, which is nearly as effective as brushing your teeth (not quite, because it won't dislodge big chunks of junk that can fester). Drink multiple glasses throughout the day, and it's a similar effect to repeatedly brushing. Similarly, no adverse health effects have been found in older children and adults at the levels in US drinking water; a couple of case studies of areas with very abnormally high natural fluoridation are the only ones that show any effects at all. At standard levels, it can only affect infants and toddlers, to the best of anyone's knowledge. (And due to that, I withhold complete approval of it, because I've never known anyone with an infant in a fluoridated area who knew that. Agencies are terrible about getting the info out and parents are worse at absorbing it.)

But for some reason, in every thread on the subject you come back in and start over with the claim that "It provides no such benefit if taken internally." You are the worst kind of troll.
2013-02-02 01:56:11 PM
1 votes:
www.downandnerdy.org
2013-02-02 12:28:50 PM
1 votes:
Dr Mercola is allowed to write articles on Huffington Post? I will no longer visit that site and now put it on par with Fox News in the retardedness.

The guy is a scam artist. Read up his wiki article or check out the bullshiat his webpage sells.

Check out this shiat

The guy is a snake oil salesman
2013-02-02 12:04:16 PM
1 votes:
I did not think Huff Po could be less credible... The Harvard studies were done in areas where high levels of fluoride naturally occur in the drinking water, not in those with added fluoride. Oddly enough, Mercola relies on those with a low IQ, as they are the ones who buy his woo.
2013-02-02 11:59:49 AM
1 votes:

Lolpwnt: Pocket Ninja:  fluoride, while highly explosive when combined with certain other chemicals like nitro and glyco, also had properties that made it very beneficial to human tissue, particularly bones and teeth.

Can you imagine their shock? It was like when they'd discovered penicillin by accident, those early, happy years before they'd learned about how penicillin causes impotence. And so they did some quick retinkering to the  nitroglycofluoride formula, pulled out the fluoride and replaced it with cerin, and presto! Really good explo ...

WTF kind of "baffle them with bullshiat" pseudo-chemistry is this crap?  You probably fall for all the "quantum healing through science!" type infomercial stuff don't you?

Cerin, glyco, nitro?  Not chemicals.  As an organic chemist I weep for humanity when this complete bullshiat is accepted as truth by anyone.


PocketNinja is a known and lauded... performance artist around here.  I doubt he means anything he says, ever.
2013-02-02 11:58:09 AM
1 votes:

Lolpwnt: Pocket Ninja:  fluoride, while highly explosive when combined with certain other chemicals like nitro and glyco, also had properties that made it very beneficial to human tissue, particularly bones and teeth.

Can you imagine their shock? It was like when they'd discovered penicillin by accident, those early, happy years before they'd learned about how penicillin causes impotence. And so they did some quick retinkering to the  nitroglycofluoride formula, pulled out the fluoride and replaced it with cerin, and presto! Really good explo ...

WTF kind of "baffle them with bullshiat" pseudo-chemistry is this crap?  You probably fall for all the "quantum healing through science!" type infomercial stuff don't you?

Cerin, glyco, nitro?  Not chemicals.  As an organic chemist I weep for humanity when this complete bullshiat is accepted as truth by anyone.




Well intentioned, but you went after the wrong guy. Make no mistake, there are, and will be more, people posting in this thread who deserve your contempt (I have Clemkadidlefark marked as "Insane abiogenesis guy") but Mr. Ninja is joking.
2013-02-02 11:29:28 AM
1 votes:

Millennium: Ronin_S: Mcaffolder: So wait.... is fluoride bad or good?

It's like salt almost anything. A little bit will help, too much and you've got problems.

FTFY. Even water will kill you if you drink too much at once.


HARVARD STUDY: WATER IS DEADLY
2013-02-02 11:25:16 AM
1 votes:

Ronin_S: Mcaffolder: So wait.... is fluoride bad or good?

It's like salt almost anything. A little bit will help, too much and you've got problems.


FTFY. Even water will kill you if you drink too much at once.
2013-02-02 10:47:57 AM
1 votes:
*checks URL*

Huffington Post AND that nutjob Mercola? Hell farking no. Go to hell, subby.
2013-02-02 10:31:20 AM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Mcaffolder: I applaud your trolling powers... but everyone here knows that both parties sold out "the people" a long long long time ago

I don't disagree with you and I'm not trolling.


It's too bad you aren't trolling, as the alternative reflects poorly on your intellect.
2013-02-02 10:25:02 AM
1 votes:

edmo: Harvard? The doctor is well-known "alternative" medicine guy criticized by just about everybody.  I'm not saying he's a quack but plenty of others have. Just Google.


FTA: "skyrocketing increase of cognitive decline in adults..."

Umm, okay sir. You're a bit "glass half empty", aren't you?
2013-02-02 10:25:02 AM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Mcaffolder: I applaud your trolling powers... but everyone here knows that both parties sold out "the people" a long long long time ago

I don't disagree with you and I'm not trolling.


Then why the name calling? When your partie's (I assume your Republican) President was elected and served for eight years I absolutely thought the world was going to end in a fiery pit of corruption and abuse of governmental powers. I find it completely reasonable that you think the same thing when mine is elected to office.

/but yeah dont kid yourself neither really cares... campaign finance reform and term limits to congress would go a long long way....
2013-02-02 10:23:53 AM
1 votes:
Damn ... such a waste of a comment.  I mean 'People'
2013-02-02 10:23:16 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, and MMS will totally cure your cancer and acne at the same time, and the FDA is warning you away because they're conspiring with Big Pharma to keep it a secret (totally not because mixing it with fruit juice turns it into bleach - ignore the lies)!
2013-02-02 10:18:31 AM
1 votes:

Mcaffolder: ...Damn but I have no morals... or morales... what then?


Then you flip a coin, friend-o.
2013-02-02 10:16:42 AM
1 votes:
Even if the government has been poisoning the population for decades, there's no real benefit in pointing it out. They'll do whatever the f*** they want to do and we'll continue to have no to limited recourse. They are completely unaccountable to us and they can poison whoever the f*** they want to poison. Go ahead and try to sue them. Go ahead and write them a sharply worded letter. You don't have a say in this government, yet this is exactly who the liberal dumbasses want to have all the power in this country.
2013-02-02 10:15:16 AM
1 votes:

Mcaffolder: So wait.... is fluoride bad or good?


Yes.
2013-02-02 10:14:49 AM
1 votes:

Mcaffolder: So wait.... is fluoride bad or good?


It's morally ambiguous.
2013-02-02 10:10:42 AM
1 votes:
Correlation = causation = "confirmed"
Nice headline, HuffPo.
2013-02-02 10:07:34 AM
1 votes:
P. O. E.
2013-02-02 09:47:36 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: It's interesting that this study doesn't even mention any of the new, growing concerns being shared by some leading researchers concerning the even more alarming health effects of fluoride, and I have to wonder whether Dr. Joseph Mercola is in the bag for someone. No mention of the possible connections between fluoridation in biomatter and spontaneous combustion? We're talking about the possible long-term effects of extreme mega-doses of fluoride upon a child's IQ, which is probably very low anyway considering kids these days, instead of looking at the very real danger of immediate death?

How many of you really understand fluoride's history after all? How many of you know that it was originally developed as nitroglycofluoride, and that for years it was one of the most stable chemical explosives available on the battlefield. During World War I, NGF bombs and artillery shells, as they were known, devastated huge swaths of the French countryside. But there was an interesting side effect to these that nobody had expected: soldiers caught on the outer periphery of a blast, soldiers who otherwise would have eventually succumbed to devastating infections in their wounds, began surviving at disproportionately high rates. Which is good if you're an injured solider, but bad if you're trying to win a war. And so the best British and American minds, along with a French mind, embarked upon a journey of exploration and discovery and discovered something shocking: fluoride, while highly explosive when combined with certain other chemicals like nitro and glyco, also had properties that made it very beneficial to human tissue, particularly bones and teeth.

Can you imagine their shock? It was like when they'd discovered penicillin by accident, those early, happy years before they'd learned about how penicillin causes impotence. And so they did some quick retinkering to the  nitroglycofluoride formula, pulled out the fluoride and replaced it with cerin, and presto! Really good explo ...


I intend to check in a week and see if this has been copypasta'd at whackjorb antiscience sites.  Wonderful.
 
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