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2013-02-02 07:56:31 AM
Harvard? The doctor is well-known "alternative" medicine guy criticized by just about everybody.  I'm not saying he's a quack but plenty of others have. Just Google.
 
2013-02-02 08:01:56 AM
It's a study that's getting a lot of strange love.
 
2013-02-02 08:24:44 AM
Serum-fluoride concentrations associated with high intakes from drinking-water may exceed 1 mg/L, or 50 Smol/L, thus more than 1000-times the levels of some other neurotoxicants that cause neurodevelopmental damage.

That's a lot of fluoride. I doubt you get that much from intentional fluoridation.
 
2013-02-02 08:41:08 AM
*paging Jenny McCarthy*
 
2013-02-02 09:07:02 AM
i.imgur.com

Don't say you weren't warned.
 
2013-02-02 09:29:11 AM
It's interesting that this study doesn't even mention any of the new, growing concerns being shared by some leading researchers concerning the even more alarming health effects of fluoride, and I have to wonder whether Dr. Joseph Mercola is in the bag for someone. No mention of the possible connections between fluoridation in biomatter and spontaneous combustion? We're talking about the possible long-term effects of extreme mega-doses of fluoride upon a child's IQ, which is probably very low anyway considering kids these days, instead of looking at the very real danger of immediate death?

How many of you really understand fluoride's history after all? How many of you know that it was originally developed as nitroglycofluoride, and that for years it was one of the most stable chemical explosives available on the battlefield. During World War I, NGF bombs and artillery shells, as they were known, devastated huge swaths of the French countryside. But there was an interesting side effect to these that nobody had expected: soldiers caught on the outer periphery of a blast, soldiers who otherwise would have eventually succumbed to devastating infections in their wounds, began surviving at disproportionately high rates. Which is good if you're an injured solider, but bad if you're trying to win a war. And so the best British and American minds, along with a French mind, embarked upon a journey of exploration and discovery and discovered something shocking: fluoride, while highly explosive when combined with certain other chemicals like nitro and glyco, also had properties that made it very beneficial to human tissue, particularly bones and teeth.

Can you imagine their shock? It was like when they'd discovered penicillin by accident, those early, happy years before they'd learned about how penicillin causes impotence. And so they did some quick retinkering to the  nitroglycofluoride formula, pulled out the fluoride and replaced it with cerin, and presto! Really good explosions, high-quality maiming, big win.

But what to do with fluoride? How to realize its unique benefits? It wasn't long before they hit upon the idea of putting it into drinking water to help improve oral health. England in particular was experiencing a tooth crisis at the time, was down to a level of barely 5 percent of usable teeth in the entire population. With  fluoride, they reversed a long, downward trend within a span of merely three generations, and England today enjoys tooth usability rates well into the 40, 45 percent range. Other countries, too, benefited, though perhaps to not such a high degree.

But nobody knew then about radiation. See, radiation wouldn't be discovered for another few decades, at Hiroshima, and so nobody then that, while stable when removed from other chemical agents,  fluorideitself retains a very high latent flash point that is especially susceptible to radiation. And we're not even talking about huge doses of radiation like atom bombs. We're talking about latent radiation, the sort of radiation that is given off by microwaves, by airport scanners, by x-ray machines. We're talking a world in which every human being on earth has been essentially turned into a walking bomb that is merely one millirad of radiation exposure away from going off. It's happened already, numerous times. Some have suggested, in fact, that the explosion at Fukushima was fluoride-based. Is it small wonder, then, that the world government and UN have worked so hard to keep this secret?

Or maybe it's more sinister than that. Maybe they want to turn their citizens into walking fluoride bombs, so that if the citizenry ever does rise up to throw off tyranny, they can release a carefully calibrated radiation transmission, perhaps from an orbital satellite, and kill us all. It's something to think about.
 
2013-02-02 09:47:36 AM

Pocket Ninja: It's interesting that this study doesn't even mention any of the new, growing concerns being shared by some leading researchers concerning the even more alarming health effects of fluoride, and I have to wonder whether Dr. Joseph Mercola is in the bag for someone. No mention of the possible connections between fluoridation in biomatter and spontaneous combustion? We're talking about the possible long-term effects of extreme mega-doses of fluoride upon a child's IQ, which is probably very low anyway considering kids these days, instead of looking at the very real danger of immediate death?

How many of you really understand fluoride's history after all? How many of you know that it was originally developed as nitroglycofluoride, and that for years it was one of the most stable chemical explosives available on the battlefield. During World War I, NGF bombs and artillery shells, as they were known, devastated huge swaths of the French countryside. But there was an interesting side effect to these that nobody had expected: soldiers caught on the outer periphery of a blast, soldiers who otherwise would have eventually succumbed to devastating infections in their wounds, began surviving at disproportionately high rates. Which is good if you're an injured solider, but bad if you're trying to win a war. And so the best British and American minds, along with a French mind, embarked upon a journey of exploration and discovery and discovered something shocking: fluoride, while highly explosive when combined with certain other chemicals like nitro and glyco, also had properties that made it very beneficial to human tissue, particularly bones and teeth.

Can you imagine their shock? It was like when they'd discovered penicillin by accident, those early, happy years before they'd learned about how penicillin causes impotence. And so they did some quick retinkering to the  nitroglycofluoride formula, pulled out the fluoride and replaced it with cerin, and presto! Really good explo ...


I intend to check in a week and see if this has been copypasta'd at whackjorb antiscience sites.  Wonderful.
 
2013-02-02 10:06:33 AM
That's the stuff that kills Superman, right?
 
2013-02-02 10:07:34 AM
P. O. E.
 
2013-02-02 10:10:15 AM

Pocket Ninja: It's interesting that this study doesn't even mention any of the new, growing concerns being shared by some leading researchers concerning the even more alarming health effects of fluoride, and I have to wonder whether Dr. Joseph Mercola is in the bag for someone. No mention of the possible connections between fluoridation in biomatter and spontaneous combustion? We're talking about the possible long-term effects of extreme mega-doses of fluoride upon a child's IQ, which is probably very low anyway considering kids these days, instead of looking at the very real danger of immediate death?

How many of you really understand fluoride's history after all? How many of you know that it was originally developed as nitroglycofluoride, and that for years it was one of the most stable chemical explosives available on the battlefield. During World War I, NGF bombs and artillery shells, as they were known, devastated huge swaths of the French countryside. But there was an interesting side effect to these that nobody had expected: soldiers caught on the outer periphery of a blast, soldiers who otherwise would have eventually succumbed to devastating infections in their wounds, began surviving at disproportionately high rates. Which is good if you're an injured solider, but bad if you're trying to win a war. And so the best British and American minds, along with a French mind, embarked upon a journey of exploration and discovery and discovered something shocking: fluoride, while highly explosive when combined with certain other chemicals like nitro and glyco, also had properties that made it very beneficial to human tissue, particularly bones and teeth.

Can you imagine their shock? It was like when they'd discovered penicillin by accident, those early, happy years before they'd learned about how penicillin causes impotence. And so they did some quick retinkering to the  nitroglycofluoride formula, pulled out the fluoride and replaced it with cerin, and presto! Really good explo ...


Impressive.
 
2013-02-02 10:10:19 AM
One of the reasons that Americans are so science-illiterate is because of reporting like this and their inability to distinguish between pseudo-science and real science.

Screw you, HuffPo.
 
2013-02-02 10:10:42 AM
Correlation = causation = "confirmed"
Nice headline, HuffPo.
 
2013-02-02 10:10:44 AM
Well damn, they used to feed us tablets of the sshiat, on top of the stupid rinse shiat, on top of the shiat in the water.
shiat.

I bet that's why I say shiat all the time isn't it?

And got a C in Calculus. I knew I was better than that, wtf.
basterds.

I still got cavities anyways too. What the hell man?
 
2013-02-02 10:12:39 AM
His wikipedia entry is quite interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola

To sum:  Pretty much thinks we should bring medical practices back to the 18th century.  And he has the leading website for alternative fringe 'medical' theories.

Wondering if this article was 'paid advertising' more than anything else.
 
2013-02-02 10:12:41 AM
Well I'm convinced, I guess there needs to be a concentrated international effort to reduce naturally occurring fluoride levels down to zero because Jesus.
 
2013-02-02 10:13:08 AM

Pocket Ninja: Or maybe it's more sinister than that. Maybe they want to turn their citizens into walking fluoride bombs, so that if the citizenry ever does rise up to throw off tyranny, they can release a carefully calibrated radiation transmission, perhaps from an orbital satellite, and kill us all. It's something to think about.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-02 10:14:01 AM
Oh, God. I came here to scream at subby for tricking me into reading a Mercola post, but then I read Pocket Ninja's post, and it made everything worthwhile.

A gem of that quality is easily worth half an hour wasted on Merconium.
 
2013-02-02 10:14:23 AM
So wait.... is fluoride bad or good?
 
2013-02-02 10:14:49 AM

Mcaffolder: So wait.... is fluoride bad or good?


It's morally ambiguous.
 
2013-02-02 10:14:58 AM
/think of the children
 
2013-02-02 10:15:16 AM

Mcaffolder: So wait.... is fluoride bad or good?


Yes.
 
2013-02-02 10:16:11 AM
Incidentally this 'news article' is from Huffington Post's blog section which has, from what I can tell, thousands of contributors.  This was (hopefully) not shown on the main page.
 
2013-02-02 10:16:42 AM
Even if the government has been poisoning the population for decades, there's no real benefit in pointing it out. They'll do whatever the f*** they want to do and we'll continue to have no to limited recourse. They are completely unaccountable to us and they can poison whoever the f*** they want to poison. Go ahead and try to sue them. Go ahead and write them a sharply worded letter. You don't have a say in this government, yet this is exactly who the liberal dumbasses want to have all the power in this country.
 
2013-02-02 10:17:14 AM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Mcaffolder: So wait.... is fluoride bad or good?

It's morally ambiguous.


...Damn but I have no morals... or morales... what then?
 
2013-02-02 10:18:10 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Even if the government has been poisoning the population for decades, there's no real benefit in pointing it out. They'll do whatever the f*** they want to do and we'll continue to have no to limited recourse. They are completely unaccountable to us and they can poison whoever the f*** they want to poison. Go ahead and try to sue them. Go ahead and write them a sharply worded letter. You don't have a say in this government, yet this is exactly who the liberal dumbasses want to have all the power in this country.


I applaud your trolling powers... but everyone here knows that both parties sold out "the people" a long long long time ago
 
2013-02-02 10:18:31 AM

Mcaffolder: ...Damn but I have no morals... or morales... what then?


Then you flip a coin, friend-o.
 
2013-02-02 10:19:15 AM

SpdrJay: That's the stuff that kills Superman, right?


No, that would be shiatty N64 games.
 
2013-02-02 10:19:49 AM

Mcaffolder: I applaud your trolling powers... but everyone here knows that both parties sold out "the people" a long long long time ago


I don't disagree with you and I'm not trolling.
 
2013-02-02 10:20:44 AM
I grew up in Newburgh NY, one of the first towns to have fluoridated water.

I have a Masters degree... from Harvard.

Draw your own conclusions.
 
2013-02-02 10:22:27 AM

Mcaffolder: So wait.... is fluoride bad or good?


I think it is best to at least assume it is chaotic-neutral.
 
2013-02-02 10:22:59 AM
Oh oh ... me me...

Is it ''Please who grow up in Newburgh, NY go to Harvard and get a Masters degree?"

I mean, correlation is more important than causation right?
 
2013-02-02 10:23:16 AM
Yeah, and MMS will totally cure your cancer and acne at the same time, and the FDA is warning you away because they're conspiring with Big Pharma to keep it a secret (totally not because mixing it with fruit juice turns it into bleach - ignore the lies)!
 
2013-02-02 10:23:49 AM

IntertubeUser: One of the reasons that Americans are so science-illiterate is because of reporting like this and their inability to distinguish between pseudo-science and real science.

Screw you, Myth Busters.

 
2013-02-02 10:23:53 AM
Damn ... such a waste of a comment.  I mean 'People'
 
2013-02-02 10:24:39 AM

IntertubeUser: One of the reasons that Americans are so science-illiterate is because of reporting like this and their inability to distinguish between pseudo-science and real science.

Screw you, HuffPo.


www.ethannonsequitur.com

Just because it needs repeating. In Mercola's case I'm not sure it's ignorance so much as his morally bankrupt drive for getting rich off of other people's ignorance.
 
2013-02-02 10:25:02 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Mcaffolder: I applaud your trolling powers... but everyone here knows that both parties sold out "the people" a long long long time ago

I don't disagree with you and I'm not trolling.


Then why the name calling? When your partie's (I assume your Republican) President was elected and served for eight years I absolutely thought the world was going to end in a fiery pit of corruption and abuse of governmental powers. I find it completely reasonable that you think the same thing when mine is elected to office.

/but yeah dont kid yourself neither really cares... campaign finance reform and term limits to congress would go a long long way....
 
2013-02-02 10:25:02 AM

edmo: Harvard? The doctor is well-known "alternative" medicine guy criticized by just about everybody.  I'm not saying he's a quack but plenty of others have. Just Google.


FTA: "skyrocketing increase of cognitive decline in adults..."

Umm, okay sir. You're a bit "glass half empty", aren't you?
 
2013-02-02 10:26:18 AM

St_Francis_P: Mcaffolder: So wait.... is fluoride bad or good?

Yes.


Correct!
In trace amounts, it provides benefits.
And then there is too much of a good thing.
The dosages in these studies are exponentially higher than what a human can ingest from drinking water at US standards.
 
2013-02-02 10:27:07 AM
maybe you just need a great big Hg
 
2013-02-02 10:27:46 AM
Fluoride doesn't make people stupid, people make people stupid, amirite?

/wouldn't know, lived 42 years with fluoridated water
 
2013-02-02 10:27:52 AM

forcebender: Oh oh ... me me...

Is it ''Please who grow up in Newburgh, NY go to Harvard and get a Masters degree?"

I mean, correlation is more important than causation right?


Dingdingdingdingding! We have a winner!

/Of course, I'm fluoride damaged, so what do I know??
 
2013-02-02 10:29:37 AM
So was that heads?

3 G's: Mcaffolder: So wait.... is fluoride bad or good?

I think it is best to at least assume it is chaotic-neutral.


best comment yet...
 
2013-02-02 10:31:20 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Mcaffolder: I applaud your trolling powers... but everyone here knows that both parties sold out "the people" a long long long time ago

I don't disagree with you and I'm not trolling.


It's too bad you aren't trolling, as the alternative reflects poorly on your intellect.
 
2013-02-02 10:32:48 AM

neversummer: Pocket Ninja: It's interesting that this study doesn't even mention any of the new, growing concerns being shared by some leading researchers concerning the even more alarming health effects of fluoride, and I have to wonder whether Dr. Joseph Mercola is in the bag for someone. No mention of the possible connections between fluoridation in biomatter and spontaneous combustion? We're talking about the possible long-term effects of extreme mega-doses of fluoride upon a child's IQ, which is probably very low anyway considering kids these days, instead of looking at the very real danger of immediate death?

How many of you really understand fluoride's history after all? How many of you know that it was originally developed as nitroglycofluoride, and that for years it was one of the most stable chemical explosives available on the battlefield. During World War I, NGF bombs and artillery shells, as they were known, devastated huge swaths of the French countryside. But there was an interesting side effect to these that nobody had expected: soldiers caught on the outer periphery of a blast, soldiers who otherwise would have eventually succumbed to devastating infections in their wounds, began surviving at disproportionately high rates. Which is good if you're an injured solider, but bad if you're trying to win a war. And so the best British and American minds, along with a French mind, embarked upon a journey of exploration and discovery and discovered something shocking: fluoride, while highly explosive when combined with certain other chemicals like nitro and glyco, also had properties that made it very beneficial to human tissue, particularly bones and teeth.

Can you imagine their shock? It was like when they'd discovered penicillin by accident, those early, happy years before they'd learned about how penicillin causes impotence. And so they did some quick retinkering to the  nitroglycofluoride formula, pulled out the fluoride and replaced it with cerin, and presto! Rea ...


Yeah Ninja's got some real talent. I've almost been suckered in a few times myself. Bravo!
 
2013-02-02 10:33:10 AM

Mcaffolder: So was that heads?


I think it landed perfectly on its side...
 
2013-02-02 10:34:45 AM
Larry Hund, a pediatrician and leader in the pro-fluoride group Wichitans for Healthy Teeth, said he had taken the Harvard study with a grain of salt even before the researchers acknowledged that it didn't address American fluoridated water.

"They're looking at fluoride levels 10 times what we see here in the U.S.," he said. In addition, he pointed out that most of the studies were done in China and didn't account for other factors that can influence IQ scores such as poverty, exposure to heavy metal pollution and dietary deficiencies.

He said fluoridated water has been used in the United States for about 65 years without causing noticeable problems.

"We have the best research hospitals in the world," he said. "They're in communities using fluoridated water. If something was wrong, these researchers would be waving a red flag."

He said he's passionate about the cause because he sees children in his practice - especially those whose parents can't afford much dental treatment or fluoride supplements - go through unnecessary pain that could be prevented.

"The saddest ones you see are the kids with several cavities that need to be fixed and their parents can't afford it," he said. "I think it's a shame we're withholding this from our children."

The Harvard scientists did not gather the original data for the paper they published in July, titled "Developmental Fluoride Neurotoxicity: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis."

The Harvard paper was a compilation of 27 other studies, 25 of which were done in China.

Harvard Scientists: Data on Fluoride, IQ Not Applicable In US
 
2013-02-02 10:37:49 AM

TurdHeart: Correlation = causation = "confirmed"
Nice headline, HuffPo.


You do realize there is no ethical way to confirm a causation?

Or do you want scientists trying to retard children?

I guess you want more company.
 
2013-02-02 10:38:06 AM

dahmers love zombie: Pocket Ninja: 
...Can you imagine their shock? It was like when they'd discovered penicillin by accident, those early, happy years before they'd learned about how penicillin causes impotence. And so they did some quick retinkering to the  nitroglycofluoride formula, pulled out the fluoride and replaced it with cerin, and presto! Rea ...




I need to send what Pocket Ninja posted here to my Boomer-age , conspiracy-theory believing relatives....just for the lulz.

/ then again, I may be contributing to the problem....
 
2013-02-02 10:40:40 AM
I'm no stranger to the company of women, Mandrake, but I deny them my...essence.
 
2013-02-02 10:44:06 AM

The Smails Kid: I'm no stranger to the company of women, Mandrake, but I deny them my...essence.




IMDB says I should've checked with them before posting.
 
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