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(Reuters)   Since gasoline prices are not yet high enough, talks on the Keystone Pipeline have been pushed back to June   (reuters.com ) divider line
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2013-02-02 07:03:19 AM  
I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.
 
2013-02-02 07:10:41 AM  
Looking forward to the people of Nebraska crying when their water is contaminated. The government should do something! Priceless.
 
2013-02-02 07:21:41 AM  

Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.


Yep. Subby probably forgot to mention that; or maybe he lives in China.
 
2013-02-02 07:55:36 AM  

Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.


And, we're done here.

The Keystone Pipeline will have zero effect U.S. gas prices.  It will just help get oil out of the country faster.
 
2013-02-02 07:57:56 AM  

Dog Welder: Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.

And, we're done here.

The Keystone Pipeline will have zero effect U.S. gas prices.  It will just help get oil out of the country faster.


So the only question left is, is Subby a troll or just ig'nant?
 
2013-02-02 08:00:21 AM  

Dog Welder: The Keystone Pipeline will have zero effect U.S. gas prices.


Actually it's the opposite. Research has shown that it would actually raise prices in the Midwest since that's the region that's benefiting the most from the status quo (a pipeline from Alberta to Illinois).

So Illinois is going to get raped even more in terms of gas prices when this pipeline is completed.

Lucky I live in MO which has a really low gas tax and therefore some of the lowest gas prices in the Midwest.

One of the only perks of this state.
 
2013-02-02 08:01:12 AM  

Dog Welder: Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.

And, we're done here.

The Keystone Pipeline will have zero effect U.S. gas prices.  It will just help get oil out of the country faster.


It'll probably raise prices in the midwest.
 
2013-02-02 08:07:50 AM  

Tomahawk513: Dog Welder: Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.

And, we're done here.

The Keystone Pipeline will have zero effect U.S. gas prices.  It will just help get oil out of the country faster.

So the only question left is, is Subby a troll or just ig'nant?


Also yes.
 
2013-02-02 08:09:51 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Dog Welder: The Keystone Pipeline will have zero effect U.S. gas prices.

Actually it's the opposite. Research has shown that it would actually raise prices in the Midwest since that's the region that's benefiting the most from the status quo (a pipeline from Alberta to Illinois).

So Illinois is going to get raped even more in terms of gas prices when this pipeline is completed.

Lucky I live in MO which has a really low gas tax and therefore some of the lowest gas prices in the Midwest.

One of the only perks of this state.


Iowa is dirt cheap to drive through, too, as long as you get the super ethanol blend.  Lots of corn there, and lots of federal dollars pumped into ethanol = cheap gas.
 
2013-02-02 08:17:43 AM  

johnryan51: Looking forward to the people of Nebraska crying when their water is contaminated. The government should do something! Priceless.


If that really was an issue (and it is not) then what about all the other pipelines already there?

i.bnet.com

web.mit.edu
 
2013-02-02 08:17:50 AM  
Looks like reality has a liberal bias. Again.
 
2013-02-02 08:20:09 AM  

Alphax: The Keystone Pipeline will have zero effect U.S. gas prices.  It will just help get oil out of the country faster.

It'll probably raise prices in the midwest.


Which, once Republicans claim victory for getting the pipeline built, will immediately and without a moment of self-doubt become another "THANKS, OBAMA!" topic.
 
2013-02-02 08:23:02 AM  

Dog Welder: Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.

And, we're done here.

The Keystone Pipeline will have zero effect U.S. gas prices.  It will just help get oil out of the country faster.


And even if the pipeline WOULD lower gas prices...How long would it take to get that pipeline up and running?
 
2013-02-02 08:23:30 AM  

hasty ambush: johnryan51: Looking forward to the people of Nebraska crying when their water is contaminated. The government should do something! Priceless.

If that really was an issue (and it is not) then what about all the other pipelines already there?

[i.bnet.com image 620x472]

[web.mit.edu image 779x542]


So why do we really need another pipeline then?
 
2013-02-02 08:27:40 AM  
All the oil is going to be piped to the coast, refined, and then put on tankers.  Or put on tankers and refined overseas if it's cheaper for the oil companies to do it that way.

The only way it'll affect domestic North American oil prices ifs through the impact it has on the world market, which will be negligible.

Do people honestly believe that the oil companies have the slightest interest in making gasoline CHEAPER?   Unless they can squeeze more profit out of a lower price, it doesn't make business sense and that's what their focus is.  Profit, quarter over quarter growth, etc.
 
2013-02-02 08:27:42 AM  
I can't believe people don't realize that the only intent for this pipeline is to sell Canadian Tar Sands oil on the global oil market.

It's not like Harper kept this a secret or anything.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/world/archives/2012/04/20120402 -1 95920.html
(Conservative media in Canada)


Harper also told Harman that Canada has been selling its oil to the United States at a discounted price.

So not only will America be able to buy less Canadian oil even if Keystone is eventually approved, the U.S. will also have to pay more for it because the market for oilsands crude will be more competitive.

"We have taken a significant price hit by virtue of the fact that we are a captive supplier and that just does not make sense in terms of the broader interests of the Canadian economy," Harper said. "We're still going to be a major supplier of the United States. It will be a long time, if ever, before the United States isn't our number one export market, but for us the United States cannot be our only export market.

"That is not in our interest, either commercially or in terms of pricing."


If the people building this pipeline would just be honest about its true intentions instead of this phony baloney "it will create jobs and lower gas prices" BS. Then maybe I would actually support it.


Butdeceiving Americans ins't going to win me over.
 
hej
2013-02-02 08:29:29 AM  
Gas prices are high?
 
2013-02-02 08:31:46 AM  

Mrtraveler01: "We have taken a significant price hit by virtue of the fact that we are a captive supplier and that just does not make sense in terms of the broader interests of the Canadian economy," Harper said. "We're still going to be a major supplier of the United States. It will be a long time, if ever, before the United States isn't our number one export market, but for us the United States cannot be our only export market.


Technically, it would be going to U.S.-based oil companies that would then sell it on the open global market.  It would only be in the US for as long as it took to be refined and shipped off.
 
2013-02-02 08:33:38 AM  

hasty ambush: johnryan51: Looking forward to the people of Nebraska crying when their water is contaminated. The government should do something! Priceless.

If that really was an issue (and it is not) then what about all the other pipelines already there?

[i.bnet.com image 620x472]

[web.mit.edu image 779x542]



How many of those are pumping oil-sands, rather than conventional crude?

Anyone who doesn't understand that the Keystone XL extension could potentially pose MAJOR FARKing dangers for aquifers in the Midwest is probably pretty damn ignorant.

The Kalamazoo debacle of 2010 should have opened a lot more eyes than it apparently did.
 
2013-02-02 08:35:08 AM  
Mrtraveler01:


Butdeceiving .


Is that like ass implants?
 
2013-02-02 08:37:16 AM  

Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.


As it turns out scumbag Buffet is heavily invested in there not being a pipeline:

Warren Buffett's Burlington Northern Santa Fe LLC is among U.S. and Canadian railroads that stand to benefit from the Obama administration's decision to reject TransCanada Corp. (TRP)'s Keystone XL oil pipeline permit

How Obama Banks on Warren Buffett-for Campaign Cash


moonbattery.com
 
2013-02-02 08:39:24 AM  
In addition to the gas price increases, the Alberta crude has been cooked out of sand, and sand is not something I want to run through my engine.
 
2013-02-02 08:40:17 AM  

Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries


Of course global supply has nothing do to with domestic prices right?
 
2013-02-02 08:40:29 AM  
What concerns me more is the exporting of natural gas.  As soon as they have the means to do so, our natural gas prices will go back up to where they were before.

People who make the argument about oil being sourced locally do not understand the world market.  Let the OPEC countries ruin their own homelands, the price will not change.
 
2013-02-02 08:41:36 AM  

JAYoung: In addition to the gas price increases, the Alberta crude has been cooked out of sand, and sand is not something I want to run through my engine.


And no one knows how to clean it up when it spills.  'Can you just skim it off the top of the water.. no, tar sands sink to the bottom.'
 
2013-02-02 08:44:29 AM  

Tomahawk513: Dog Welder: Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.

And, we're done here.

The Keystone Pipeline will have zero effect U.S. gas prices.  It will just help get oil out of the country faster.

So the only question left is, is Subby a troll or just ig'nant?


Can't he be both?
 
2013-02-02 08:48:54 AM  

Dog Welder: Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.

And, we're done here.

The Keystone Pipeline will have zero effect U.S. gas prices.  It will just help get oil out of the country faster.


"The country" being Canada.
 
2013-02-02 08:53:26 AM  
If the reps love Canada so much they should marry it!
 
2013-02-02 08:53:44 AM  

Mrtraveler01: So why do we really need another pipeline then?


Because Obama, you damn commie.
 
2013-02-02 08:54:21 AM  
Has anyone called subby a moron yet?

Subby, you're a moron.

/the project would not have any direct impact on the cost of gas at the pump thanks to the massive fungibility of the market and that the pipeline is facilitating free market private trade between businesses that are happy to sell you fuel at the highest possible price you'll pay for it.
//invest in actual infrastructure you idiots.
 
2013-02-02 08:58:36 AM  

Mrtraveler01: hasty ambush: johnryan51: Looking forward to the people of Nebraska crying when their water is contaminated. The government should do something! Priceless.

If that really was an issue (and it is not) then what about all the other pipelines already there?

[i.bnet.com image 620x472]

[web.mit.edu image 779x542]

So why do we really need another pipeline then?


Capacity for one reason
 
2013-02-02 09:02:37 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com


So, just how bad are Canadian oil sands for the planet? According to a report published by the Congressional Research Service in June of last year, Canadian oil sands are dirtier - and emit more greenhouse gases - than pretty much every other major source of crude oil. According to the graph above from the report, production emissions from Canadian oil sands are 102% higher than emissions from Middle Eastern crude oil, 92% higher than emissions from Venezuelan crude oil and 53% higher than emissions from Mexican crude oil. Link
 
2013-02-02 09:05:03 AM  
 
2013-02-02 09:10:54 AM  

hasty ambush: Mrtraveler01: hasty ambush: johnryan51: Looking forward to the people of Nebraska crying when their water is contaminated. The government should do something! Priceless.

If that really was an issue (and it is not) then what about all the other pipelines already there?

[i.bnet.com image 620x472]

[web.mit.edu image 779x542]

So why do we really need another pipeline then?

Capacity for one reason


Selling oil on the global market is the other reason.

Why can't the oil folks be as upfront and honest about this as Harper has?
 
2013-02-02 09:13:37 AM  
Gas prices could also be lowered with increased solar and wind.   Doesn't have to be all pipelines, ya know.

Solar and wind, conservatives?  Hello?
 
2013-02-02 09:14:29 AM  

St_Francis_P: Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.

Yep. Subby probably forgot to mention that; or maybe he lives in China.


Personally, I like how subby thinks the price of gas is connected to the supply at all, rather than a combination whatever the cartel thinks it can get away with charging and whatever new random spike the futures market has in store for us.
 
2013-02-02 09:19:45 AM  

InteriorDesignNinja: Gas prices could also be lowered with increased solar and wind.   Doesn't have to be all pipelines, ya know.

Solar and wind, conservatives?  Hello?


SOCIALISM
 
2013-02-02 09:20:45 AM  

InteriorDesignNinja: Gas prices could also be lowered with increased solar and wind.   Doesn't have to be all pipelines, ya know.

Solar and wind, conservatives?  Hello?


AL GORE SOLD HIS NEWS AGENCY TO AN OIL COMPANY
 
2013-02-02 09:21:32 AM  

InteriorDesignNinja: Gas prices could also be lowered with increased solar and wind.   Doesn't have to be all pipelines, ya know.

Solar and wind, conservatives?  Hello?


SOLYNDRA
 
2013-02-02 09:29:34 AM  
Speaking of gas prices, gas was still $1.14 /gallon in the Midwest as the troops closed in on Baghdad in 2003.  The price had bounced up and down a good bit, but had stayed -about- a buck a gallon for literally decades.

Republicans farked that up, too.
 
2013-02-02 09:31:24 AM  

Dog Welder: Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.

And, we're done here.

The Keystone Pipeline will have zero effect U.S. gas prices.  It will just help get oil out of the country faster.


Actually it can make gas in some parts of the US go up.  One reason why gas is cheaper in some of the "fly over" states is because the currently pipelines from Canada (and some from the US) stops in the Midwest and Plains so they refine the oil to gas right here in the US making shipping cost cheaper.  If Keystone make the pipeline extend the the gulf they will more likely turn off the spigot in the US so more oil goes to the coast to be sold on the global market so they can make more money.  This in turn could end up closing some refineries which would cost the US more jobs.
 
2013-02-02 09:40:32 AM  
well, except by selling more oil overseas, that will enable oil companies to increases their profit so they can hire more workers to boost the overall economy and invest in other green iniatives.
 
2013-02-02 09:43:00 AM  

snowshovel: well, except by selling more oil overseas, that will enable oil companies to increases their profit so they can hire more workers to boost the overall economy and invest in other green iniatives.


It would enable them to do those things, no doubt. They probably won't, but they could if they wanted.
 
2013-02-02 09:47:22 AM  
Canadians are evil and racist pipeline builders.

Except when they give Fark libs an excuse to grab peoples' guns, take away their freedom of speech, and make other people pay for Fark Libs' abortions.
 
2013-02-02 09:49:25 AM  

Mrtraveler01: hasty ambush: johnryan51: Looking forward to the people of Nebraska crying when their water is contaminated. The government should do something! Priceless.

If that really was an issue (and it is not) then what about all the other pipelines already there?

[i.bnet.com image 620x472]

[web.mit.edu image 779x542]

So why do we really need another pipeline then?


Those are mostly local pipelines. Imagine if you would that was a road map, and we were proposing building a super highway where the only onramp was in Canada, and the only offramp was in Mexico. We are the people sitting here in the middle arguing that we need this road to help ease traffic here.
 
2013-02-02 09:49:52 AM  

beta_plus: Canadians are evil and racist pipeline builders.

Except when they give Fark libs an excuse to grab peoples' guns, take away their freedom of speech, and make other people pay for Fark Libs' abortions.


You touched most of the bases; except you forgot shameless consumers of poutine, and maple syrup hoarders.
 
2013-02-02 09:51:17 AM  

St_Francis_P: beta_plus: Canadians are evil and racist pipeline builders.

Except when they give Fark libs an excuse to grab peoples' guns, take away their freedom of speech, and make other people pay for Fark Libs' abortions.

You touched most of the bases; except you forgot shameless consumers of poutine, and maple syrup hoarders.


How could you forget Tim Hortons?
 
2013-02-02 09:51:56 AM  

beta_plus: Canadians are evil and racist pipeline builders.


Who is actually saying this?
 
2013-02-02 09:52:34 AM  
snowshovel:

well, except by selling more oil overseas, that will enable oil companies to increases their profit so they can hire more workers to boost the overall economy and invest in other green iniatives.

Because if there's one thing that oil companies have historically had a problem with, it's not having enough money to fund whatever initiative they want.

I own Exxon/Mobil stock, and it's refreshing in a way. At least once per year their CEO reiterates their position in the investor's magazine as to how they are an oil extraction company, will always be an oil extraction company and how they will never fund alternative energy unlike their namby-pamby competitors.
 
2013-02-02 09:54:50 AM  

Demetrius: I thought most of the crude going through the pipeline is headed to countries other than the US, and the scumbag Koch brothers were hugely invested in this.


I don't know about most of your statement, but I do know that pipeline is expected to raise retail gas prices anywhere from 2-10 cents in the Great Lakes region.
 
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