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(Lawrence Journal-World)   As if things couldn't get worse, Kansas attorney general files appeal of school funding   (www2.ljworld.com) divider line 81
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2013-02-02 03:27:50 AM
Go for it. Makes my kids more employable
 
2013-02-02 07:16:00 AM
Thus showing why the funding is needed.
 
2013-02-02 08:18:16 AM
Well, the world needs ditch diggers too.
 
2013-02-02 09:52:13 AM
Kids don't need public school. Dinosaur riding jesus doesn't want to be questioned by those annoying thing the libs call facts.
 
2013-02-02 10:02:30 AM
Whats the matter with Kansas?

The same thing wrong with every state that put tea party morons in charge.
 
2013-02-02 10:24:43 AM

swaniefrmreddeer: Kids don't need public school. Dinosaur riding jesus doesn't want to be questioned by those annoying thing the libs call facts.


Keep them dumb so they join the military and vote Republican.
 
2013-02-02 10:40:44 AM
Does anyone have statistics on if policies, thus far, have created a brain drain for the state? If not then this may be the motivating force.
 
2013-02-02 11:37:26 AM
Well, with their school board banning stuff like "evolution" and "geology" and "critical thinking", they weren't getting much out of their schools anyway.
 
2013-02-02 11:40:44 AM
how sad that they had to sue for funding. worse that the state would fight it.

otoh i live in LA. so go on point and laugh and make pot kettle jokes. we deserve it.
 
2013-02-02 11:46:49 AM

Good luck with ever seeing that money Kansas schoolchildren.

South Carolina had the exact same lawsuit - bunch of poor, rural school districts sued the state department of education, saying that the money they were given wasn't enough to provide the state constitution mandated ' minimally adequate education'; They won the case, but they still haven't seen one red cent because of appeals.

The case was originally won in 1993. There's been enough time now that some of the kids in school when the suit was filed now have kids who've graduated. Think about that - the state has defied a court order to give students a minimal education for and entire GENERATION.

 
2013-02-02 11:48:58 AM
The one thing Kansas had going for it was that it was a decent place to raise a family. But with the state fighting to short-change kids and experimenting in how to exist with no revenue, that can no longer be true. Before long, there won't be any kids left in Kansas who dream of someday getting the hell out of there.
 
2013-02-02 11:50:06 AM

Karac: Good luck with ever seeing that money Kansas schoolchildren.South Carolina had the exact same lawsuit - bunch of poor, rural school districts sued the state department of education, saying that the money they were given wasn't enough to provide the state constitution mandated ' minimally adequate education'; They won the case, but they still haven't seen one red cent because of appeals.

The case was originally won in 1993. There's been enough time now that some of the kids in school when the suit was filed now have kids who've graduated. Think about that - the state has defied a court order to give students a minimal education for and entire GENERATION.


Kinda rocks that whole "co-equal branches of government" boat, doesn't it?
 
2013-02-02 11:58:06 AM
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2013-02-02 12:00:47 PM
I hate to say it, Kansans, but you might just have to take one for the team.  You might just have to be the cautionary tale of what happens when you try to run a government on teabagger principles.  Your misery might save other states, or the federal government itself, from a similar fate.
 
2013-02-02 12:03:10 PM
Welcome to Brownbackistan.
 
2013-02-02 12:03:26 PM

Karac: Good luck with ever seeing that money Kansas schoolchildren.South Carolina had the exact same lawsuit - bunch of poor, rural school districts sued the state department of education, saying that the money they were given wasn't enough to provide the state constitution mandated ' minimally adequate education'; They won the case, but they still haven't seen one red cent because of appeals.

The case was originally won in 1993. There's been enough time now that some of the kids in school when the suit was filed now have kids who've graduated. Think about that - the state has defied a court order to give students a minimal education for and entire GENERATION.


Same here in Washington, where the Supreme Court just ruled against the legislature for a second time. In this instance, however, the court retained jurisdiction and are requiring regular progress reports. Ultimately, this will lead to a massive constitutional crisis - the additional expenditures the court is demanding will cost an additional billion dollars per biennium, but the legislature just keeps slashing revenues.
 
2013-02-02 12:04:20 PM
How else are they going to keep the next generation voting republican than to deny them the education to know better.
 
2013-02-02 12:07:52 PM
Awesome.  Maybe in a few years I'll be able to go slumming there.
 
2013-02-02 12:12:26 PM
Wow, you guys are farked down there. Sorry Kansas. I bet a lot of people support the idiot Attorney General with such platitudes as "Well *I* don't have kids in school so why should I pay anything?" or "Them public schools trying to teach evolutions, no need, jesus didn't say anything about it."
 
2013-02-02 12:13:36 PM
This is why the Federal Government needs to abolish some state's rights to self governance, and institute harsh penalties for all public servants currently working for the state.
 
2013-02-02 12:16:05 PM

Bontesla: Does anyone have statistics on if policies, thus far, have created a brain drain for the state? If not then this may be the motivating force.


I'd imagine that most intelligent people get out of Kansas as soon as they can as it is.  Those who still live there are either stuck there or actually like it.  This is not just true of a number of the "big square states" but of the rural parts of my home state (Pennsylvania) and others as well.
 
2013-02-02 12:20:24 PM
Is Kansas trying to out derp Mississippi?
 
2013-02-02 12:28:10 PM
Dear white folks in Kansas.

No, the Koch brothers are not going to fund private schools to send your kids to.

You will have to work harder and demonstrate  personal responsibility so that you can purchase a good education for your kids. Or women should stay at home to homeschool their kids and give them just as good an education as they could get from someone with a fancy education degree.
 
2013-02-02 12:36:00 PM
spelletrader asks if they are trying to outderp Mississippi.  I'd say they were "neck & "neck".
 
2013-02-02 12:40:48 PM
Mixed feelings on this issue.  Obviously we'd all love to see students every where be able to receive the best educational opportunities possible, but on the other hand, we're looking at an already over taxed state economy which can barely meet its current financial obligations suddenly being obligated to pay an additional $440 million that can only be funded by either mandating more revenue or making cuts in other equally beneficial programs.

I can't help but feel that the lawsuit was not initiated by so called concerned citizens but at the gentle nudging of some out of stae special interest group which no doubt will stand to profit regardless the outcome of this suit.
 
2013-02-02 12:42:58 PM

Bontesla: Does anyone have statistics on if policies, thus far, have created a brain drain for the state? If not then this may be the motivating force.


I don't know about a current brain drain, but in the late 90s (around when anti-evolution loons took over the Board of Education) I worked for a pharmaceutical development company in Lawrence, KS. We had the hardest time hiring high-end PhDs in chemistry and pharmacy because these scientists wanted their kids to learn SCIENCE. Lawrence is an awesome place, but it just wasn't enough to shake the religious nut stigma Kansas had overall.
 
2013-02-02 12:45:15 PM

BMulligan: Karac: Good luck with ever seeing that money Kansas schoolchildren.South Carolina had the exact same lawsuit - bunch of poor, rural school districts sued the state department of education, saying that the money they were given wasn't enough to provide the state constitution mandated ' minimally adequate education'; They won the case, but they still haven't seen one red cent because of appeals.

The case was originally won in 1993. There's been enough time now that some of the kids in school when the suit was filed now have kids who've graduated. Think about that - the state has defied a court order to give students a minimal education for and entire GENERATION.

Same here in Washington, where the Supreme Court just ruled against the legislature for a second time. In this instance, however, the court retained jurisdiction and are requiring regular progress reports. Ultimately, this will lead to a massive constitutional crisis - the additional expenditures the court is demanding will cost an additional billion dollars per biennium, but the legislature just keeps slashing revenues.




And morons just passed a bill requiring a supermajority to raise taxes. Because that's worked out so well for California. And hey, it's not like WA already has the most regressive tax structure in the country. Oh, wait. It does
 
2013-02-02 12:45:24 PM

Generation_D: Whats the matter with Kansas?

The same thing wrong with every state that put tea party morons in charge. that has a laundry list of wants and needs and not enough fundage to cover them.

 
2013-02-02 12:47:44 PM

clowncar on fire: I can't help but feel that the lawsuit was not initiated by so called concerned citizens but at the gentle nudging of some out of stae special interest group which no doubt will stand to profit regardless the outcome of this suit.


The American Bar Association?
 
2013-02-02 12:50:17 PM

clowncar on fire: The same thing wrong with every state that put tea party morons in charge. that has a laundry list of wants and needs and not enough fundage to cover them.


No, the first answer was correct.  If you read the book which inspired the thread, you'll find that Kansas has always been a hotbed of reactionaries.  In the 19th century, they were screamingly liberal, now they're screamingly conservative.
 
2013-02-02 12:50:41 PM
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2013-02-02 12:57:27 PM

red5ish: [img401.imageshack.us image 500x375]


The source of that image:
http://www.10gaugeoutfitters.com/kansas-prairie-dog-hunts/


damned.  just.. damned..
 
2013-02-02 12:57:48 PM

red5ish: [img401.imageshack.us image 500x375]


"Livestock don't get busted legs from stepping in the open hole in the mound. Cattle and horses aren't blind. It happens when a tunnel collapses, the foot drops down and is pinned, and the off-angle stumble pops the bone. $1,000 gone, gone, gone.

A pdog town in an alfalfa field can easily eat a fourth of the crop...

The bottom line for a shooter is that this form of pest control is more fun than punching paper. It's good training for range estimation and wind doping"  ~The Firing Line
 
2013-02-02 12:58:04 PM

Mike Chewbacca: BMulligan: Karac: Good luck with ever seeing that money Kansas schoolchildren.South Carolina had the exact same lawsuit - bunch of poor, rural school districts sued the state department of education, saying that the money they were given wasn't enough to provide the state constitution mandated ' minimally adequate education'; They won the case, but they still haven't seen one red cent because of appeals.

The case was originally won in 1993. There's been enough time now that some of the kids in school when the suit was filed now have kids who've graduated. Think about that - the state has defied a court order to give students a minimal education for and entire GENERATION.

Same here in Washington, where the Supreme Court just ruled against the legislature for a second time. In this instance, however, the court retained jurisdiction and are requiring regular progress reports. Ultimately, this will lead to a massive constitutional crisis - the additional expenditures the court is demanding will cost an additional billion dollars per biennium, but the legislature just keeps slashing revenues.



And morons just passed a bill requiring a supermajority to raise taxes. Because that's worked out so well for California. And hey, it's not like WA already has the most regressive tax structure in the country. Oh, wait. It does


Oh, I know. There's a case pending before the court challenging the constitutionality of the super majority requirement, and the decision is long overdue. Until that question is settled, everything is on hold.
 
2013-02-02 12:59:52 PM

blastoh: red5ish: [img401.imageshack.us image 500x375]

The source of that image:
http://www.10gaugeoutfitters.com/kansas-prairie-dog-hunts/


damned.  just.. damned..


"Malicious URL Blocked"  WTF?
 
2013-02-02 01:04:15 PM

clowncar on fire: Mixed feelings on this issue.  Obviously we'd all love to see students every where be able to receive the best educational opportunities possible, but on the other hand, we're looking at an already over taxed state economy which can barely meet its current financial obligations suddenly being obligated to pay an additional $440 million that can only be funded by either mandating more revenue or making cuts in other equally beneficial programs.

I can't help but feel that the lawsuit was not initiated by so called concerned citizens but at the gentle nudging of some out of stae special interest group which no doubt will stand to profit regardless the outcome of this suit.


If the people we have put in charge of our state government can't figure out how to educate our children, we need to get new people in charge.

 
2013-02-02 01:07:05 PM

mitchcumstein1: clowncar on fire: Mixed feelings on this issue.  Obviously we'd all love to see students every where be able to receive the best educational opportunities possible, but on the other hand, we're looking at an already over taxed state economy which can barely meet its current financial obligations suddenly being obligated to pay an additional $440 million that can only be funded by either mandating more revenue or making cuts in other equally beneficial programs.

I can't help but feel that the lawsuit was not initiated by so called concerned citizens but at the gentle nudging of some out of stae special interest group which no doubt will stand to profit regardless the outcome of this suit.

If the people we have put in charge of our state government can't figure out how to why we educate our children, we need to get new people in charge.


FTFY
 
2013-02-02 01:14:05 PM

Mike Chewbacca: And morons just passed a bill requiring a supermajority to raise taxes. Because that's worked out so well for California. And hey, it's not like WA already has the most regressive tax structure in the country. Oh, wait. It does


Not to mention we aren't going to see any new revenues with Republican control of the state Senate. Oh, I'm sorry, "joint control" where the coalition just happens to be all the Republicans and two dickhole Democrats.
 
2013-02-02 01:16:25 PM
I had a cousin who was "homeschooled" in Kansas.  Her parents pulled her out of 1st grade because she "missed home too much." I shiat you not.  Unfortunately, Kansas takes a very hands off approach to homeschooled kids.  There are really no standards in place to ensure they get any kind of quality education.  My cousin is 18 now, but likely has a 2nd grade education at best.  This shiat should be criminal.
 
2013-02-02 01:20:17 PM
Nice .    more evidence that in a decade or two the federal goverment is going to have to step in and fix the mess Kansas is making of its self.

In all seriousness funding for education should never be taken away.
 
2013-02-02 01:21:14 PM

Bontesla: Does anyone have statistics on if policies, thus far, have created a brain drain for the state? If not then this may be the motivating force.


No, but their free-market principles have already lost 800 Boeing jobs to Oklahoma City.  And they were so proud of themselves when AMC moved their headquarters from KCMO to Leawood, only to have Bain Capital and JP Morgan Chase sell the company to a Chinese conglomerate who will probably move the company to the West Coast within five years.  But at least they still have Sprint, who are going to start making smart business decisions any day now.
 
2013-02-02 01:32:09 PM

jake_lex: I hate to say it, Kansans, but you might just have to take one for the team.  You might just have to be the cautionary tale of what happens when you try to run a government on teabagger principles.  Your misery might save other states, or the federal government itself, from a similar fate.


Do you honestly think they'll learn their lesson?  They'll just claim they need to double down or LIBERALS sabotaged things.
 
2013-02-02 01:38:15 PM

jake_lex: I hate to say it, Kansans, but you might just have to take one for the team.  You might just have to be the cautionary tale of what happens when you try to run a government on teabagger principles.  Your misery might save other states, or the federal government itself, from a similar fate.


I think this is accurate.  There was a big write-up the other day in the local paper about how legislators here are explicitly seeking to make Kansas a "test case" for extremely out-there (i.e. moronic and indefensible) approaches to public funding.  They have no problem making children guinea pigs in an experiment, the result of which is foreseeable to any reasonable person.  For dogmatic policymakers, the real-world consequences are not important, because representing the dogma itself IS the goal and represents a good independent of whatever flows from it.
 
2013-02-02 01:49:00 PM

grimlock1972: Nice .    more evidence that in a decade or two the federal goverment is going to have to step in and fix the mess Kansas is making of its self.

In all seriousness funding for education should never be taken away.


No one is taking away funding, just attempting to block additional funding.  State budget currently cannot affort the additional 440 million and wants to put the requirement that that additional funding be placed on hold..  Does this mean they won't eventually find the funding for the increase?  That is for another thread on another day.
 
2013-02-02 01:53:11 PM

clowncar on fire: No one is taking away funding, just attempting to block additional funding.


Additional funding that the courts deemed constitutionally necessary because funding for public schools was already at Somalia-like levels.
 
2013-02-02 01:53:18 PM

clowncar on fire: but on the other hand, we're looking at an already over taxed state economy which can barely meet its current financial obligations suddenly being obligated to pay an additional $440 million that can only be funded by either mandating more revenue or making cuts in other equally beneficial programs.


Maybe it wasn't a good idea to cut taxes to absurdly low rates after all huh?
 
2013-02-02 01:58:49 PM
It's going to take a whole more tax cutting to solve this problem.
 
2013-02-02 01:59:04 PM

Mentat: And they were so proud of themselves when AMC moved their headquarters from KCMO to Leawood, only to have Bain Capital and JP Morgan Chase sell the company to a Chinese conglomerate who will probably move the company to the West Coast within five years.


So that's somehow Kansas' fault?

If I lived in Missouri, I would be more worried about my state's dreadful public schools and even worse infrastructure before I started worrying about another state's issues. And let's be honest, aside from larger pockets of sanity, Missouri is just as bad or worse than Kansas.
 
2013-02-02 02:07:08 PM

mitchcumstein1: And let's be honest, aside from larger pockets of sanity, Missouri is just as bad or worse than Kansas.


Let's not get too hasty here.

I have two words for you to explain why Missouri hasn't turned into Kansas yet: Jay Nixon.

Having him as Governor has kept Missouri from turning into the next Kansas or Wisconsin because he stops whatever BS the GOP-led MO Legislature barfed up this week dead in its tracks. If Dave Spence (The GOP candidate for Governor) would've won last November, we would've been farked because he would've just been another yes men for corporate and other right-wing interests just like Walker, Kasich, Snyder, and Brownback.
 
2013-02-02 02:15:58 PM

red5ish: [img401.imageshack.us image 500x375]


Holy fark, is Kansas really that flat?  I thought it was just a stereotype to say that it is.
 
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