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2013-02-02 11:27:17 AM

Ima4nic8or: Maybe I a missing something but this seems like an easy one to solve. The guy and kid have one source of air, a single pipe.  Pump in some sort of gas that will put them both to sleep then open bunker.


The whole "rigged with explosives" seems to be the part you're missing.
 
2013-02-02 11:31:58 AM
See what Fluoride does to a mind ....
 
2013-02-02 11:36:02 AM

Ima4nic8or: Maybe I a missing something but this seems like an easy one to solve. The guy and kid have one source of air, a single pipe.  Pump in some sort of gas that will put them both to sleep then open bunker.


Sure because a grown adult and a child have the same dosage of sleep aides. Nothing like killing the kid to make the nut job go to sleep.
 
2013-02-02 11:49:21 AM

BalugaJoe: force him to watch Fark-TV.  He will come out quickly.


You sick bastard, there's an innocent person in there!  What if the child watches that!
 
2013-02-02 11:50:08 AM

Bangkapi: With the way things are going in the USA, I think the guy may have a legitimate beef with the government.
Why don't we just hear him out.  It's a shame that he was driven to do what some people consider insane.
But I think most people are deluding themselves if they think the government didn't screw this guy over.


.5/10 come on, work the word "libtard" in there at least.
 
2013-02-02 12:21:02 PM
Just drop a flash bang down the pipe and take the bastard out while he's dazed and confused.  I'm sure the kid and his parents would rather the kid be dazed for a few minutes while being rescued rather than being left any longer with the crazy old guy who is doing who-knows-what to the kid.
 
2013-02-02 12:24:48 PM

LadySusan: Amos Quito: willfullyobscure: I seriously hope he's the reason you people get your guns taken away. I really do.


Reason?

"you people?"



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Indeed.
 
2013-02-02 12:26:23 PM

Mitrovarr: This is actually a pretty good break in the case, since what the guy is almost certainly going to get is a cop dressed up as a reporter, who will tackle, taze, or shoot him at the very first opportunity. The sleep deprivation the hostage-taker has been building up should lower his vigilance and increase his reaction time, making it very likely to succeed.


He supposedly has a TV and/or radio down there, whether he has a dish or he's off the airwaves is unknown. He's at least likely to get a local talking head first, one recognizable to him. That person would likely have a concealed carry permit to begin with. Then there's the camera operator. That's where the fed or state police would be. And they probably would not do anything first time in, just gain intel. Probably bring burgers or a letter from the kid's mom or something. Unless they saw a chance. But if he's monitoring TV/radio, and they can't take a chance, and he has a statement to air, they have to air it for the kid's sake.
 
2013-02-02 12:28:35 PM

Clemkadidlefark: See what Fluoride does to a mind ....


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2013-02-02 12:43:33 PM
I hope they take him alive. Then he can have his property violated in prison. All night long.
 
2013-02-02 12:50:15 PM
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Maybe he was just tired of being Home Alone?
 
2013-02-02 01:03:44 PM

digistil: SpdrJay: You'd almost think this guy has emotional problems or delusions, huh?

It's called PTSD.


Probably not. PTSD can  trigger disorders (as I explained in the other thread), but is unlikely to cause this sort of total break from reality--it's possible PTSD triggered this, and certainly his PTSD is playing a role in it, but PTSD doesn't even always cause full-blown hallucinations. In the other thread they had a laundry list of his disorders. PTSD is a factor, certainly, but not the sole player.

/Also, this guy:
My name is Sam I'm a US Army Veteran working at Bay Medical Center here in Panama City Fl, I will volunteer to go into the bunker and get this guys story if he will release this little boy. I work in the OR and everyone here knows me. I love to write and If this could get this child released then I would go if given the permission from the authorities to do so.

//This restores my faith in humanity.
 
2013-02-02 01:05:49 PM

Ima4nic8or: Maybe I a missing something but this seems like an easy one to solve. The guy and kid have one source of air, a single pipe.  Pump in some sort of gas that will put them both to sleep then open bunker.


A small child and an adult. Put the adult to sleep quickly enough that he can't shoot the child or don the gas mask that no doubt he has down there among his end of the world gear. Difficulty: without killing the child.

The Russians have some experience with this type of rescue.
 
2013-02-02 01:08:06 PM

Bangkapi: With the way things are going in the USA, I think the guy may have a legitimate beef with the government.
Why don't we just hear him out.  It's a shame that he was driven to do what some people consider insane.
But I think most people are deluding themselves if they think the government didn't screw this guy over.


Then everyone who has a beef with the government (and that's probably 99% of us at this point) can go grab a small child to have their biatch heard, too.
 
2013-02-02 01:09:42 PM

silverjets: Just drop a flash bang down the pipe and take the bastard out while he's dazed and confused.  I'm sure the kid and his parents would rather the kid be dazed for a few minutes while being rescued rather than being left any longer with the crazy old guy who is doing who-knows-what to the kid.


Something something "rigged with explosives" something...
 
2013-02-02 01:16:06 PM
Hunh...I just checked all the reputable news sources (even Fox News) and didn't see anything about this.

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2013-02-02 01:31:00 PM

RexTalionis: He wants a reporter sent to him? Great, now he's going to have 2 hostages instead of one.


That 4X6 underground "bunker" isn't a TARDIS you simp (addressed to the loon in said bunker, not at Rex).

Feels bad as Hell for the little aspie kid's predicament but this obnoxious jackwagon needs a bullet in his skull pronto.
 
2013-02-02 01:37:14 PM

MurphyMurphy: He says 4 hours into this all he wants is to tell his story and he'll let the kid go?


Does it really take four hours just to say "I'm a rude obnoxious asshole towards Humanity. I enjoy killing people's pets. I'm a worthless piece of festering sh*t and I deserve to be dragged naked through a field of broken jagged glass before I have my head stomped on by a post driver."?
 
2013-02-02 01:41:45 PM

Ima4nic8or: The guy and kid have one source of air, a single pipe.


I wonder if Genius ever factored in the growing amounts of co2?
 
2013-02-02 02:14:56 PM
Have they tried blasting him with Nancy Sinatra music yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww

^Not Safe for Sanity^
 
2013-02-02 02:16:15 PM
We'll find out how well he survives in PMITA prison.
 
2013-02-02 02:42:33 PM

martid4: We'll find out how well he survives in PMITA prison.


I don't think he has any intention at all of coming out of there alive. The question is, will he take the boy with him?
 
2013-02-02 04:42:49 PM

NutWrench: Witchydiva: Give him a contract with whatever terms he wants, have him sign it. Once he releases the kid, arrest him, point out that a contract signed under duress is invalid, and lock him up for the rest of his life.

This. Cover the contract with lots of official-looking seals and stamps, tell him he has immunity from prosecution, that he can found his very own Republic of Dave, whatever.


But a contract would create joinder between him and the government, infringing his sovereignty.  He won't fall for that old trick.
 
2013-02-02 05:26:44 PM

offmymeds: Hunh...I just checked all the reputable news sources (even Fox News) and didn't see anything about this.

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To be honest, i truly have no clue why this isn't getting coverage in the MSM.  It's like they have no interest in any of the variables of the case, even though several are kinda tempting to their usual standards.
 
2013-02-02 05:47:01 PM

FriarReb98: offmymeds: Hunh...I just checked all the reputable news sources (even Fox News) and didn't see anything about this.

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To be honest, i truly have no clue why this isn't getting coverage in the MSM.  It's like they have no interest in any of the variables of the case, even though several are kinda tempting to their usual standards.



Did the guy shoot the bus driver with an ASSAULT WEAPON?

No?

Well, there you are, then.
 
2013-02-02 06:33:57 PM
Dude, you got your own show on TV right now so hand over the kid. Lets move up the timetable a bit and get to the point where you are surviving the beat-down you are going to get for kidnapping a child and being a dumbass.
 
2013-02-02 07:32:38 PM
offmymeds: Hunh...I just checked all the reputable news sources (even Fox News) and didn't see anything about this.

This.

Why isn't every media outlet in the US all over this?  Why aren't Americans glued to their TV sets over this story like when Jessica McClure fell down that well in 1986?  Why isn't President Obama on TV crying about this kid and using this story as a catalyst for more gun control (because the perp clearly fits the stereotype of the the right-wing, survivalist gun nut).  Why aren't the NRA and the pro-gun folks using this as a rally cry (because if the 5-year old boy who was kidnapped was allowed to have a concealed carry license this might not have happened).

I found one article buried on CNN's website.  Same story with Fox News, although they put the story on their front page.  Nothing at all on Drudge Report.

According to all this extensive coverage, a bus driver was killed in this incident and this standoff has been going on for 5 days.  But I guess that's not as important as criticizing Obama's technique in that skeet shooting photo.
 
2013-02-02 08:41:06 PM
He has a TV. I am hoping MSM is intentionally keeping it quietish to calm him the fark down. Actually I'm glad it's not splashed all over. This epic douche does not need the attention.
 
2013-02-02 09:59:11 PM
They say that he has electricity and TV in there, so I don't want to post my idea to get him out of there.
 
2013-02-02 11:10:24 PM

misterpriapus: offmymeds: Hunh...I just checked all the reputable news sources (even Fox News) and didn't see anything about this.

This.

Why isn't every media outlet in the US all over this?  Why aren't Americans glued to their TV sets over this story like when Jessica McClure fell down that well in 1986?  Why isn't President Obama on TV crying about this kid and using this story as a catalyst for more gun control (because the perp clearly fits the stereotype of the the right-wing, survivalist gun nut).  Why aren't the NRA and the pro-gun folks using this as a rally cry (because if the 5-year old boy who was kidnapped was allowed to have a concealed carry license this might not have happened).

I found one article buried on CNN's website.  Same story with Fox News, although they put the story on their front page.  Nothing at all on Drudge Report.

According to all this extensive coverage, a bus driver was killed in this incident and this standoff has been going on for 5 days.  But I guess that's not as important as criticizing Obama's technique in that skeet shootin


http://www.nbcnews.com/

http://www.foxnews.com/

http://www.cnn.com/

It's on CNNs front page, even on mobile and has been since Tuesday. Same with all the major outlets and regional as well. the reason YOU don't think its being reported is that it has not made the pundits circuit yet, and yes, that is intentional. There is a long standing practice of hanging fire on kidnappings/negotiations until a resolution is reached. Its why Daniel Pearl or that other headless white guy didn't blow up in the news until after they were dead. The fact that they were captured was widely known, reported in the most cimcumspect way possible and only exploited after the resolution, becuase "the media" knows exactly what a kidnapper or terroist wants: attention-- and they don't give that away for free when someone's life is on the line.

"The media" is well aware of how the echo chamber operates and they do their best to be responsible around incidents like this. Yes, even Rush, Hannity, et al. They're all in on it together. Its usually a short sharp trip to irrelevancy-land to break this commandment.
 
2013-02-03 06:16:18 AM

willfullyobscure: misterpriapus: offmymeds: Hunh...I just checked all the reputable news sources (even Fox News) and didn't see anything about this.

This.

Why isn't every media outlet in the US all over this?  Why aren't Americans glued to their TV sets over this story like when Jessica McClure fell down that well in 1986?  Why isn't President Obama on TV crying about this kid and using this story as a catalyst for more gun control (because the perp clearly fits the stereotype of the the right-wing, survivalist gun nut).  Why aren't the NRA and the pro-gun folks using this as a rally cry (because if the 5-year old boy who was kidnapped was allowed to have a concealed carry license this might not have happened).

I found one article buried on CNN's website.  Same story with Fox News, although they put the story on their front page.  Nothing at all on Drudge Report.

According to all this extensive coverage, a bus driver was killed in this incident and this standoff has been going on for 5 days.  But I guess that's not as important as criticizing Obama's technique in that skeet shootin

http://www.nbcnews.com/

http://www.foxnews.com/

http://www.cnn.com/

It's on CNNs front page, even on mobile and has been since Tuesday. Same with all the major outlets and regional as well. the reason YOU don't think its being reported is that it has not made the pundits circuit yet, and yes, that is intentional. There is a long standing practice of hanging fire on kidnappings/negotiations until a resolution is reached. Its why Daniel Pearl or that other headless white guy didn't blow up in the news until after they were dead. The fact that they were captured was widely known, reported in the most cimcumspect way possible and only exploited after the resolution, becuase "the media" knows exactly what a kidnapper or terroist wants: attention-- and they don't give that away for free when someone's life is on the line.

"The media" is well aware of how the echo chamber operates and they do their best ...


I was referring to the "wants his own reality show" bit. The article claimed that he's asking for a cameraman to go down into the bunker so that he can give "his side of the story", presumably to present his psychotic world-view.
 
2013-02-03 09:14:53 AM

offmymeds: willfullyobscure: misterpriapus: offmymeds: Hunh...I just checked all the reputable news sources (even Fox News) and didn't see anything about this.

This.

Why isn't every media outlet in the US all over this?  Why aren't Americans glued to their TV sets over this story like when Jessica McClure fell down that well in 1986?  Why isn't President Obama on TV crying about this kid and using this story as a catalyst for more gun control (because the perp clearly fits the stereotype of the the right-wing, survivalist gun nut).  Why aren't the NRA and the pro-gun folks using this as a rally cry (because if the 5-year old boy who was kidnapped was allowed to have a concealed carry license this might not have happened).

I found one article buried on CNN's website.  Same story with Fox News, although they put the story on their front page.  Nothing at all on Drudge Report.

According to all this extensive coverage, a bus driver was killed in this incident and this standoff has been going on for 5 days.  But I guess that's not as important as criticizing Obama's technique in that skeet shootin

http://www.nbcnews.com/

http://www.foxnews.com/

http://www.cnn.com/

It's on CNNs front page, even on mobile and has been since Tuesday. Same with all the major outlets and regional as well. the reason YOU don't think its being reported is that it has not made the pundits circuit yet, and yes, that is intentional. There is a long standing practice of hanging fire on kidnappings/negotiations until a resolution is reached. Its why Daniel Pearl or that other headless white guy didn't blow up in the news until after they were dead. The fact that they were captured was widely known, reported in the most cimcumspect way possible and only exploited after the resolution, becuase "the media" knows exactly what a kidnapper or terroist wants: attention-- and they don't give that away for free when someone's life is on the line.

"The media" is well aware of how the echo chamber operates and t ...


Oh. Well, that's b/c its an unsourced, unconfirmed rumour only in one publication. protocol is that if you didn't get the scoop, you don't repeat it until there's a confirmation from another reputable source, the source becomes known or similar. The linked item is a blind article, basically, and one of the constellation of reasons we call it "the Daily Fail". tabloid journalism at its finest.
 
2013-02-04 10:16:30 AM
If they can communicate with this piece of shiat though a pipe, why haven't they pumped a nerve gas through the pipe to knock out everyone inside, then just raid the place, rescue the kid, and kill the idiot?
 
2013-02-05 10:01:41 PM
I'm guessing no ones keeping up with this thread, but now that everything is over and the kid seems to have made it out okay does it bother anyone else the way this was handled?  Apparently, they could of done what they did on day one of the stare down, even hour one of day one.  The only reason the finally decided to act, on day 8, was because negotiation talk was breaking down and they thought this crazy guy was becoming even more unhinged.  Never mind what may of been happening to the poor kid during those 8 days.
 
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