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2013-02-02 08:50:41 AM

FreakyBunny: He has a tattoo. Leviticus 19:28 says "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD. " I wonder if he serves his arm?


Well, see, the new testament fulfilled old testament law, so those restrictions don't apply anymore. Unless it's something you find to be "icky." If you think it's icky, then it still applies. Obviously, because homosexuality is icky, he gets to refuse to bake a cake for teh gheys.

Side note: Here we have a male, wearing an earring, who likes to bake artistic cakes, inside his bakery, which has pink walls. And he has a problem with gay people? Not to make any assumptions here... but I wouldn't be surprised to hear that this guy is the next fundie discovered in the park bathroom with 5 other guys.
 
2013-02-02 08:52:30 AM

WhoopAssWayne: We see liberals fighting to strip basic gun rights out of our constitution, we see them limiting our religious free speech, and of course we see them pushing their immoral values on the right of us. You better believe they are going to be denied jobs, promotions, or in this case service. These dumbasses have somehow convinced themselves that they can do all the damage to society they wish, they can take all the shots they want, and somehow there is this magical shield around them which protects them against any consequences of their actions. They can street-lawyer away and fantasize about that million dollar settlement they'll never receive, but the bottom line is that the rest of us are going to hold you childish little dumbasses accountable for your actions. That resume is going right in the trash, that pink slip will list no real cause, and you can buy your cake elsewhere.


One really can't tell whether this is a troll or meant to be taken seriously, which highlights the difference in cognitive ability between conservatives and liberals.

A liberal in a room full of conservatives would know what to say to pass as one of them. "Wow, gay people are destroying our country with their perverted lifestyles." would set off a round of agreement.

A conservative in a room full of liberals would not. "Wow, I can't wait until it's illegal to own guns." would set off bullsh*t detectors right and left, since that's not at all what most liberals support.

The two sides are better distinguished by intelligence level than by actual viewpoints.
 
2013-02-02 08:52:38 AM

jso2897: So Quakers should be exempt from paying the portion of their Federal taxes that go to defense?


for offensive warfare, yes.  For pure defense, no.
 
2013-02-02 08:53:58 AM

PonceAlyosha: jso2897: So Quakers should be exempt from paying the portion of their Federal taxes that go to defense?

And my Slaanesh worship means I can earfark whatever I feel like at any time?


Exactly. And Rastafarians can blaze up anywhere smoking is permiited. And so on, ad absurdum, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
 
2013-02-02 08:54:06 AM

jso2897: Tommy Moo: jso2897: SpdrJay: Go
To
A
Different
Bakery

No. Prosecute the lawbreaking criminal - just like if he was an illegal alien, or a gang-banger, or somebody else you don't like.

To be fair, would they even want a cake from this guy now? Some things are fungible, like Walmart selling one of a thousand pairs of socks. If Walmart refused to sell socks to gay people, that would be different than creating a work of art that your focus and craft have to go into. This guy's principles are misguided, but I don't know how I feel about forcing someone to create specific art. What if a right-winged redneck came into your cake shop and demanded you make him a birthday cake decorated with machine guns and "F*** Mohammad GO USA!!!" written on it? He could sue you for discrimination if you refused to put your craft into that. Art is special like that.

At this point, I don't think they want a cake from the guy. i think they intend to demonstrate to him that he cannot violate the laws of the State of Oregon with impunity. By making an example of one lawbreaker, you can discourage other potential lawbreakers from breaking the law. Or at least that's the theory of "deterrence".


Makes sense. Still, I'd be much more comfortable with the free market punishing this guy than the government. Let the infamy put him out of business. If the government forces people to make cakes for gay couples, it can force individual churches/pastors to conduct marriage ceremonies. From there it can also force bars to serve racist assholes. I used to own a bar, and if anyone came in there with white power tats, I would have been very tempted to refuse him service. I am a raging atheist, but I do believe in freedom of religion, so long as the government isn't practicing it in any official capacity.
 
2013-02-02 08:54:15 AM

shotglasss: Like the sign says, "We have the right to refuse service to anyone".

He refused service based on religious beliefs. Now you libs want the state to attack him and his business for that religious belief? What ever happened to the separation of church and state?


The problem with that sign is that there is not and has never been any such right.  There's a right to free speech.  There's a right to bear arms.  There's a right to due process.  But there is no right to refuse service.

Do you know why those signs showed up in the first place?  Those signs were there to give the business something to point to as they were kicking out the black guy.  When you see one of those, know that they're a relic of racism, that the sign has most likely been posted by a racist, and that the signs are a lie.  It's not legal to refuse to do business with someone because of race, and in Oregon, it's not legal to do business with someone because of sexual orentation.

If he were running a church, he would have the right to refuse to allow same-sex couples in.  Private, membership-only club?  Yep, he could keep the gays out.  But he's not doing those things, he's operating a business open to the public.  And by doing so, he consents to follow the law.  He can't refuse to sell to someone because he doesn't like what color they are, no matter what his religion says about it, and he can't refuse to sell to someone because they don't have sex with the people he wants them to, no matter what his religion says about it.

If he doesn't like it, he's free to shut down his business and open a church.
 
2013-02-02 08:55:20 AM

jso2897: PonceAlyosha: jso2897: So Quakers should be exempt from paying the portion of their Federal taxes that go to defense?

And my Slaanesh worship means I can earfark whatever I feel like at any time?

Exactly. And Rastafarians can blaze up anywhere smoking is permiited. And so on, ad absurdum, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.


I'm actually totally with with BNCW's interpretation of this, but of course my religious beliefs require that no one else enjoy the same level of religious liberty that I. Now if you'll excuse me, I have some weed to smoke out of some skullfark-holes.
 
2013-02-02 08:55:25 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: jso2897: So Quakers should be exempt from paying the portion of their Federal taxes that go to defense?

for offensive warfare, yes.  For pure defense, no.


Oh. You're trolling me. Never mind. I thought you were seriously proposing something.
 
2013-02-02 08:55:44 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.

Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert. I'm not even sure why you'd think that.


That's something I've never understood. Libertarianism is supposed to be about maximizing freedom, right? How much freedom can you be maximizing if a person can't shop at their neighborhood grocery store because a racist owner refuses to sell goods to them? How much freedom are you maximizing if they can't get a job because the racist owner won't give them an interview? That seems to be a destruction of freedom to me.
 
2013-02-02 08:55:53 AM

Greek: Side note: Here we have a male, wearing an earring, who likes to bake artistic cakes, inside his bakery, which has pink walls. And he has a problem with gay people? Not to make any assumptions here... but I wouldn't be surprised to hear that this guy is the next fundie discovered in the park bathroom with 5 other guys.


I've known a few straight guys who became hairstylists, it's not because they're closeted, it's because it gets them laid that much more.  Have a job where most of your customers are women, get more women..
 
2013-02-02 08:56:38 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: jso2897: So Quakers should be exempt from paying the portion of their Federal taxes that go to defense?

for offensive warfare, yes.  For pure defense, no.


So, they can dodge almost all of it.
 
2013-02-02 08:56:55 AM
Spending  shiatload of money on a big ass wedding and an expensive cake is in itself pretentious. This guy's just a dick. And a closet case.
 
2013-02-02 08:56:57 AM
I believe this is in fact breaking the state law. His personal freedom of religion isn't being infringed upon. He is attempting to push his religious ideas onto others through his place of business. Just because his interpretation of his religion is homophobic doesn't mean he can openly do homophobic things and hide behind freedom of religion as a defense.

Marriage is not purely a religious device contrary to what many Christians believe. It is secular in the eyes of the law, and thus the Christian definition of marriage and the US's definition are different things. He cannot dictate his bigoted definition to others via his place and call it his expression of religious freedom. It's discrimination pure and simple and seems to me to be in violation of Oregon state law.
 
2013-02-02 08:58:45 AM

Tommy Moo: What if a right-winged redneck came into your cake shop and demanded you make him a birthday cake decorated with machine guns and "F*** Mohammad GO USA!!!" written on it? He could sue you for discrimination if you refused to put your craft into that.


The point you're missing is that the issue lies in the reason offered for refusing service and not the fact of refusing service. You're free to refuse service but declaring you're discriminating against someone on the basis of their race/disability/etc. is going to cause you some problems.
 
2013-02-02 08:59:58 AM

Zmog: BraveNewCheneyWorld: jso2897: So Quakers should be exempt from paying the portion of their Federal taxes that go to defense?

for offensive warfare, yes.  For pure defense, no.

So, they can dodge almost all of it.


Or none of it. They changed the name from The Department of War to the Department of Defense for a reason. Everything we blow up and kill now is for our own defense.

/wasn't Nixon a Quaker?
 
2013-02-02 09:00:20 AM

jso2897: Yeah, I know, and I didn't mean to be snotty. I suppose I should always strive to be the best kind of correct, but sometimes I go with the colorful language. Call it a weakness.


I honestly wasn't trying to be pendantic with you, I was just wondering if things had changed recently? Civil and Criminal are huge differences, at least in my mind, in that one results in a loss of massive freedoms, while the other does not.
 
2013-02-02 09:00:59 AM

Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.

Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert. I'm not even sure why you'd think that.

That's something I've never understood. Libertarianism is supposed to be about maximizing freedom, right? How much freedom can you be maximizing if a person can't shop at their neighborhood grocery store because a racist owner refuses to sell goods to them? How much freedom are you maximizing if they can't get a job because the racist owner won't give them an interview? That seems to be a destruction of freedom to me.


Freedom means personal freedom, not the freedom to enslave your neighbor.
 
2013-02-02 09:01:17 AM

Tommy Moo: What if a right-winged redneck came into your cake shop and demanded you make him a birthday cake decorated with machine guns and "F*** Mohammad GO USA!!!" written on it? He could sue you for discrimination if you refused to put your craft into that. Art is special like that.


That's the worst analogy I've read today but it's very early.
 
2013-02-02 09:02:35 AM

BronyMedic: jso2897: Yeah, I know, and I didn't mean to be snotty. I suppose I should always strive to be the best kind of correct, but sometimes I go with the colorful language. Call it a weakness.

I honestly wasn't trying to be pendantic with you, I was just wondering if things had changed recently? Civil and Criminal are huge differences, at least in my mind, in that one results in a loss of massive freedoms, while the other does not.


Which is why I apologized earlier for being snotty. In this case, civil law is the appropriate remedy under Oregon law.
 
2013-02-02 09:02:48 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: it's the same deal if a man went in and wanted to marry his lawnmower

and he refused to make a lawnmower cake.

cakes are cakes bro


That is one of the most idiotic things I have ever had the misfortune to read.
 
2013-02-02 09:03:11 AM

jso2897: You Idiots: jso2897: You Idiots: So what.

I would suggest you libtards start your own business to serve these folks, but you'd rather rant and demand a government agency force businesses to provide politically correct services.

Put your money where your mouth is, instead of a foot for once.

You idiots.

1962 called - it wants it's then-relevant "debate" back.

You probably cry about cops being bullies, too.

I don't cry about anything. I'm an old and happy man, and quite pleased with the civilized direction society is moving in.
How about you?


You know who else was happy about the direction his society was moving?
 
2013-02-02 09:03:41 AM

Serious Black: shotglasss: jso2897: eiger: shotglasss: Why do I have to pretend he's something other than a guy trying to make a living and honor his God? You want to turn him into something he's not for what reason?

And if you don't like the way he runs his business, go somewhere else.

Why didn't blacks in the South in the '50s and '60s realize your insight! They could have just gone elsewhere with their business rather than attempting to change the law to force business owners to serve them. I'm sure that would have worked.

It's kind of hilarious that these 12 year old jackasses think anti-discrimination law is some radical idea that's on the table for debate.

Blacks are humans. Gays are not. They don't deserve the same rights us normal people are born with. How's that?

While I doubt your claim of not being openly racist, at least you're being up-front about your indefensible bigotry.


I always thought you were dumb...but now you've proven it. Thanks. And also without a sense of humor.

And for those of you screaming for a boycott of this guy, I'd bet it'll backfire the same way the CFA boycott strengthened their bottom line.
 
2013-02-02 09:04:59 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.

Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert. I'm not even sure why you'd think that.

That's something I've never understood. Libertarianism is supposed to be about maximizing freedom, right? How much freedom can you be maximizing if a person can't shop at their neighborhood grocery store because a racist owner refuses to sell goods to them? How much freedom are you maximizing if they can't get a job because the racist owner won't give them an interview? That seems to be a destruction of freedom to me.

Freedom means personal freedom, not the freedom to enslave your neighbor.


Hey everybody. I have breaking news to report. Being told you have to serve people equally regardless of their skin color or sexual orientation is exactly like being chattel for a plantation owner.
 
2013-02-02 09:06:35 AM

Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.

Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert. I'm not even sure why you'd think that.

That's something I've never understood. Libertarianism is supposed to be about maximizing freedom, right? How much freedom can you be maximizing if a person can't shop at their neighborhood grocery store because a racist owner refuses to sell goods to them? How much freedom are you maximizing if they can't get a job because the racist owner won't give them an interview? That seems to be a destruction of freedom to me.


Libertarianism is freedom if you're white, heterosexual, and male.
 
2013-02-02 09:06:44 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.

Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert. I'm not even sure why you'd think that.

That's something I've never understood. Libertarianism is supposed to be about maximizing freedom, right? How much freedom can you be maximizing if a person can't shop at their neighborhood grocery store because a racist owner refuses to sell goods to them? How much freedom are you maximizing if they can't get a job because the racist owner won't give them an interview? That seems to be a destruction of freedom to me.

Freedom means personal freedom, not the freedom to enslave your neighbor.


Aphorism is not an adequate substitute for argument. Remember: A new broom sweeps clean, a fool and his money are soon parted, and a wet bird never flies at night.
 
2013-02-02 09:07:05 AM

Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.

Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert. I'm not even sure why you'd think that.

That's something I've never understood. Libertarianism is supposed to be about maximizing freedom, right? How much freedom can you be maximizing if a person can't shop at their neighborhood grocery store because a racist owner refuses to sell goods to them? How much freedom are you maximizing if they can't get a job because the racist owner won't give them an interview? That seems to be a destruction of freedom to me.

Freedom means personal freedom, not the freedom to enslave your neighbor.

Hey everybody. I have breaking news to report. Being told you have to serve people equally regardless of their skin color or sexual orientation is exactly like being chattel for a plantation owner.


How many whites are in the Congressional Black Caucus? Zero, because those CBC racists won't let them in. When the CBC is disbanded, we'll have a good stating point to have a chat about bigotry.
 
2013-02-02 09:08:05 AM

You Idiots: jso2897: You Idiots: jso2897: You Idiots: So what.

I would suggest you libtards start your own business to serve these folks, but you'd rather rant and demand a government agency force businesses to provide politically correct services.

Put your money where your mouth is, instead of a foot for once.

You idiots.

1962 called - it wants it's then-relevant "debate" back.

You probably cry about cops being bullies, too.

I don't cry about anything. I'm an old and happy man, and quite pleased with the civilized direction society is moving in.
How about you?

You know who else was happy about the direction his society was moving?


Steve Jobs?
 
2013-02-02 09:08:58 AM

pxlboy: Libertarianism is freedom if you're white, heterosexual, and male.


And love weed and are sort of an anarchist but really haven't completely thought things through.
 
2013-02-02 09:09:00 AM

jso2897: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.

Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert. I'm not even sure why you'd think that.

That's something I've never understood. Libertarianism is supposed to be about maximizing freedom, right? How much freedom can you be maximizing if a person can't shop at their neighborhood grocery store because a racist owner refuses to sell goods to them? How much freedom are you maximizing if they can't get a job because the racist owner won't give them an interview? That seems to be a destruction of freedom to me.

Freedom means personal freedom, not the freedom to enslave your neighbor.

Aphorism is not an adequate substitute for argument. Remember: A new broom sweeps clean, a fool and his money are soon parted, and a wet bird never flies at night.


Sure, but it does make you look like a farking jackass who wants to compare his plight to those of black people who were bought and sold against their will. Not you, obviously.
 
2013-02-02 09:09:11 AM
Mussolini?  The extreme right-wing fascist?
Yeah, he was well known for standing up for the rights of the marginalized.
 
2013-02-02 09:09:57 AM

ReverendJasen: Whether he broke any laws or not, I thnk we can safely agree he's gigantic douchebag.


There is simply no excuse for his actions, outdated, outmoded and obsolete personal beliefs in the life-rules of an irrational and hateful ancient Jewish Desert God notwithstanding.  The Law is the Law. What is not forbidden is compulsory. The laws of the Folk require obedience to the State. The days of personal adherence to one's personal and private morality are obsolete and have been replaced by the new social consciousness. Armed State Troopers need to be dispatched to his business and force him at gun point to make the cake. He and his family should then be enrolled in a re-education camp for an indeterminate period to adjust their viewpoints. Hard work will make them free.  Seriously, how could anyone except a stupid, silly Troll disagree with this simple, just, final solution?
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/too much?
//not enough deliberate ambiguity?
///proggies, give me a hand here
 
2013-02-02 09:12:23 AM

pxlboy: Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.

Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert. I'm not even sure why you'd think that.

That's something I've never understood. Libertarianism is supposed to be about maximizing freedom, right? How much freedom can you be maximizing if a person can't shop at their neighborhood grocery store because a racist owner refuses to sell goods to them? How much freedom are you maximizing if they can't get a job because the racist owner won't give them an interview? That seems to be a destruction of freedom to me.

Libertarianism is freedom if you're white, heterosexual, and male.


And rich. For everyone else it's a subservient life to those who have unfettered power without government there to help level the playing field.
 
2013-02-02 09:13:28 AM

Serious Black: jso2897: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.

Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert. I'm not even sure why you'd think that.

That's something I've never understood. Libertarianism is supposed to be about maximizing freedom, right? How much freedom can you be maximizing if a person can't shop at their neighborhood grocery store because a racist owner refuses to sell goods to them? How much freedom are you maximizing if they can't get a job because the racist owner won't give them an interview? That seems to be a destruction of freedom to me.

Freedom means personal freedom, not the freedom to enslave your neighbor.

Aphorism is not an adequate substitute for argument. Remember: A new broom sweeps clean, a fool and his money are soon parted, and a wet bird never flies at night.

Sure, but it does make you look like a farking jackass who wants to compare his plight to those of black people who were bought and sold against their will. Not you, obviously.


Whose "plight"? I don't have a "plight" - I'm a white, heterosexual male, and live in America - a society that was built to serve me exclusively. The fact that it has changed (some) in the last few decades doesn't move me to whine about being some kind of victim. As a popular comic pointed out - it f**king ROCKS being a white man - and I have trouble expressing the depth of my contempt for anyone who whines about it
 
2013-02-02 09:14:53 AM

shotglasss: Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.

Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert. I'm not even sure why you'd think that.

That's something I've never understood. Libertarianism is supposed to be about maximizing freedom, right? How much freedom can you be maximizing if a person can't shop at their neighborhood grocery store because a racist owner refuses to sell goods to them? How much freedom are you maximizing if they can't get a job because the racist owner won't give them an interview? That seems to be a destruction of freedom to me.

Freedom means personal freedom, not the freedom to enslave your neighbor.

Hey everybody. I have breaking news to report. Being told you have to serve people equally regardless of their skin color or sexual orientation is exactly like being chattel for a plantation owner.

How many whites are in the Congressional Black Caucus? Zero, because those CBC racists won't let them in. When the CBC is disbanded, we'll have a good stating point to have a chat about bigotry.


Yes, I  CLEARLY support the Congressional Black Caucus banning membership to non-black individuals. After all, I have the word "Black" in my login, so that obviously means I am an African-American who wants to kill whitey. And because I also have the word "Serious" in my login, you know that I never exaggerate on these forums ever. The logic is 100% undeniable.
 
2013-02-02 09:16:01 AM
After checking profiles, the people on Fark who are OK with his refusal to bake the cake are: white, heterosexual and male.

In other words, those in society who have experienced the least amount of discrimination.
 
2013-02-02 09:16:40 AM

Serious Black: shotglasss: Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.

Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert. I'm not even sure why you'd think that.

That's something I've never understood. Libertarianism is supposed to be about maximizing freedom, right? How much freedom can you be maximizing if a person can't shop at their neighborhood grocery store because a racist owner refuses to sell goods to them? How much freedom are you maximizing if they can't get a job because the racist owner won't give them an interview? That seems to be a destruction of freedom to me.

Freedom means personal freedom, not the freedom to enslave your neighbor.

Hey everybody. I have breaking news to report. Being told you have to serve people equally regardless of their skin color or sexual orientation is exactly like being chattel for a plantation owner.

How many whites are in the Congressional Black Caucus? Zero, because those CBC racists won't let them in. When the CBC is disbanded, we'll have a good stating point to have a chat about bigotry.

Yes, I  CLEARLY support the Congressional Black Caucus banning membership to non-black individuals. After all, I have the word "Black" in my login, so that obviously means I am an African-American who wants to kill whitey. And because I also have the word "Serious" in my login, you know that I never exaggerate on these forums ever. The logic is 100% undeniable.


Shirley, you can't be serious.
 
2013-02-02 09:17:36 AM

shotglasss: How many whites are in the Congressional Black Caucus? Zero, because those CBC racists won't let them in. When the CBC is disbanded, we'll have a good stating point to have a chat about bigotry.


Yeah! And I have yet to see one male Hooters waitress!
 
2013-02-02 09:18:30 AM

Serious Black: Sure, but it does make you look like a farking jackass who wants to compare his plight to those of black people who were bought and sold against their will.


I eagerly await the explanation of why not being able to buy a wedding cake everywhere in the country makes them the modern equivalent of slaves.  You just know somebody here probably wants to tackle that one, they're just trying to figure out how to minimize the derpiness.
 
2013-02-02 09:19:27 AM
I might see how this would be a problem if he was denying them some sort of necessary life service like health care, or transportation. but fark it, he's a cake baker. its not like theyre going to die if they dont get a cake from him. move on.
 
2013-02-02 09:20:39 AM
As a gay man who has been told repeatedly by "conservatives" to just move to a friendlier place because of how I've been treated by various communities in my life, I woild just like to say, if he doesn't like the fact that society has decided these actions aren't acceptable where he lives, he should bootstrap and move. It worked for me, and I'm just a dirty liberal socialist.
 
2013-02-02 09:20:44 AM

Tunney: After checking profiles, the people on Fark who are OK with his refusal to bake the cake are: white, heterosexual and male.

In other words, those in society who have experienced the least amount of discrimination.


I don't get that. I'm 62, white, male and hetero - and, in my life in America, I've been treated extremely well - indeed, i've had an awesome life, and about 90% of it was handed to me on a silver platter.
None of that has ever kept me from perceiving that there are other people in this country who haven't been treated fairly, nor made me indifferent to the fact.
 
2013-02-02 09:20:51 AM

IlGreven: SpdrJay: Go
To
A
Different
Bakery

Your previous incarnation told Rosa Parks to walk.


You're context confusion is understandable if you are a liberal or "progressive.". The CITY bus was PUBLIC transportation paid for with tax money she presumably contributed to. A PRIVATE individual or even a PRIVATE corporation is presumably not being involuntarily supported by the lesbian couple through tax dollars.

UNLESS, of course, you wish to make a somewhat convoluted argument that the lesbian couple are, indeed, involuntarily supporting the baker since his business presumably makes use of the public roads (for deliveries, easy access by walk-in customers) that the lesbian couple helped pay for with their taxes. In that case, using variations of that concept, then one could make an argument that EVERYTHING done by ANYONE is a public act and must be regulated.

(This extension would be similar to that of the Dept of Agriculture (successfully) claiming the ability to regulate your personal economic production of wheat because your production negatively affects the demand (yours) for the interstate shipments of wheat.)
 
2013-02-02 09:22:36 AM

jso2897: I don't get that. I'm 62, white, male and hetero - and, in my life in America, I've been treated extremely well - indeed, i've had an awesome life, and about 90% of it was handed to me on a silver platter.
None of that has ever kept me from perceiving that there are other people in this country who haven't been treated fairly, nor made me indifferent to the fact.


But there's a Black Entertainment Channel!
 
2013-02-02 09:23:30 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Serious Black: Sure, but it does make you look like a farking jackass who wants to compare his plight to those of black people who were bought and sold against their will.

I eagerly await the explanation of why not being able to buy a wedding cake everywhere in the country makes them the modern equivalent of slaves.  You just know somebody here probably wants to tackle that one, they're just trying to figure out how to minimize the derpiness.


The only person saying that is this guy:
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-02 09:23:40 AM
Good for him. It's about time people stood up for decency and morality rather than giving in to the nazi-like rainbow coalition.
 
2013-02-02 09:23:48 AM

Active introvert: With all the evil in this world, why get so hung up over people who just want to love someone. Geesh


With all the evil in this world, why get so hung up over someone who just does not want to have a relationship with someone else? Sheesh.
 
2013-02-02 09:25:38 AM

jso2897: BronyMedic: BarkingUnicorn: Had one of these in Lakewood, Colorado, a while back.  The baker felt the Internet's wrath.  IDK if any legal consequences ensued.

Why is it always the bakers?  Are there no Christian butchers or candlestick makers?

I'm pretty sure that refusing to serve someone based on sexual orientation or because of your religious convictions is a violation of Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but IANAL, unless it's a "private club"

No. Federal law does not treat sexual orientation as a protected class (if it did, there could be no "DOMA"). Oregon law, however, does, so it's irrelevant.
Cue all the righties who will defend this lawbreaking criminal's "religious freedom".


Except, of course, Federal law trumps state law, right?
 
2013-02-02 09:26:26 AM

shotglasss: Like the sign says, "We have the right to refuse service to anyone".

He refused service based on religious beliefs. Now you libs want the state to attack him and his business for that religious belief? What ever happened to the separation of church and state?


ZING!
 
2013-02-02 09:26:43 AM

Terrydatroll: Good for him. It's about time people stood up for decency and morality rather than giving in to the nazi-like rainbow coalition.


Why does he want to do business in a state that disagrees with his so-called "values" ? He should just move on to someplace he's welcome, like the boostrappy all-American individualist he is.
 
2013-02-02 09:27:03 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: jso2897: BronyMedic: BarkingUnicorn: Had one of these in Lakewood, Colorado, a while back.  The baker felt the Internet's wrath.  IDK if any legal consequences ensued.

Why is it always the bakers?  Are there no Christian butchers or candlestick makers?

I'm pretty sure that refusing to serve someone based on sexual orientation or because of your religious convictions is a violation of Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but IANAL, unless it's a "private club"

No. Federal law does not treat sexual orientation as a protected class (if it did, there could be no "DOMA"). Oregon law, however, does, so it's irrelevant.
Cue all the righties who will defend this lawbreaking criminal's "religious freedom".

Except, of course, Federal law trumps state law, right?


Unless federal law says it's illegal to not discriminate against gays, then that has nothing to do with anything that's happening in this story or thread.
 
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