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2013-02-02 08:21:20 AM

jso2897: eiger: shotglasss: Why do I have to pretend he's something other than a guy trying to make a living and honor his God? You want to turn him into something he's not for what reason?

And if you don't like the way he runs his business, go somewhere else.

Why didn't blacks in the South in the '50s and '60s realize your insight! They could have just gone elsewhere with their business rather than attempting to change the law to force business owners to serve them. I'm sure that would have worked.

It's kind of hilarious that these 12 year old jackasses think anti-discrimination law is some radical idea that's on the table for debate.


Blacks are humans. Gays are not. They don't deserve the same rights us normal people are born with. How's that?
 
2013-02-02 08:21:52 AM

shotglasss: jso2897: shotglasss: Like the sign says, "We have the right to refuse service to anyone".

He refused service based on religious beliefs. Now you libs want the state to attack him and his business for that religious belief? What ever happened to the separation of church and state?

Whatever happened to the "conservative" viewpoint that lawbreaking should be prosecuted? Just think of him as an illegal alien - you know, a person who is breaking the law. Then you'll feel better.

Why do I have to pretend he's something other than a guy trying to make a living and honor his God? You want to turn him into something he's not for what reason?

And if you don't like the way he runs his business, go somewhere else.


Why would they want a cake made by someone who was against the event right? No, this happened outside Portland and this poor bastard is about to have his life ruined. He's lucky if he gets by with a smallprotest and full on boycott.
 
2013-02-02 08:22:05 AM
He has a tattoo. Leviticus 19:28 says "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD. " I wonder if he serves his arm?
 
2013-02-02 08:22:13 AM
They weren't interested in a cake, they were interested in a court case/news story. By all means, boycott the bakery with friends and sympathizers, ruin his reputation on Yelp or whatever, but running and tattling to the state is douchelordish.

Actually the lawsuit is what makes it newsworthy, thus is the best way to generate publicity, launch a boycott, and ruin the guy.  It's far more potent than Yelp.
 
2013-02-02 08:22:23 AM

shotglasss: jso2897: eiger: shotglasss: Why do I have to pretend he's something other than a guy trying to make a living and honor his God? You want to turn him into something he's not for what reason?

And if you don't like the way he runs his business, go somewhere else.

Why didn't blacks in the South in the '50s and '60s realize your insight! They could have just gone elsewhere with their business rather than attempting to change the law to force business owners to serve them. I'm sure that would have worked.

It's kind of hilarious that these 12 year old jackasses think anti-discrimination law is some radical idea that's on the table for debate.

Blacks are humans. Gays are not. They don't deserve the same rights us normal people are born with. How's that?


I think that's refreshingly honest on your part, and I congratulate you.
 
2013-02-02 08:22:37 AM
I'm actually in favor of gay marriage, but if this baker's smart he'll apologize, take their money, and make them a cake that's misshapen, has mismatched colors, etc.

/"What? I made them a cake!"
 
2013-02-02 08:22:47 AM
A golden bird that flies away, a candle's fickle flame. To think this couple ordered from him yesterday, his pastry business was just a game.
 
2013-02-02 08:24:09 AM

Lenny and Carl: They weren't interested in a cake, they were interested in a court case/news story. By all means, boycott the bakery with friends and sympathizers, ruin his reputation on Yelp or whatever, but running and tattling to the state is douchelordish.

Actually the lawsuit is what makes it newsworthy, thus is the best way to generate publicity, launch a boycott, and ruin the guy.  It's far more potent than Yelp.


Why can't a guy break the law with impunity? Waaaaaaaah!
 
2013-02-02 08:24:54 AM
I'm okay with this for non-essential services like wedding cakes. Of course, it should be a requirement that if you won't serve certain groups of people, you have to prominently display a sign saying as much (and include it in all your ads)- you know, to prevent false advertising. And so the rest of us won't accidentally give you any business.
 
2013-02-02 08:26:08 AM
He's not one bit pretentious.

This is a non-story. He can refuse service to anyone he wants.
 
2013-02-02 08:26:10 AM
I think private businesses that aren't getting government funding should be allowed to be as douchey as they want.

I would really hate eating a cake too that someone made for me under government orders.
 
2013-02-02 08:27:01 AM
Wait until the conservative crowd gets a hold of this story.  If the can wreak vengeance on a small, independent soup kitchen, maybe they can ask for hundreds of cakes.  Send 'em to Rush.
 
2013-02-02 08:27:05 AM
If this guy doesn't like the anti-discrimination laws in Oregon, he should just take his business elsewhere. There are still a few red states where sexual orientation isn't a protected class - he needs to move.
 
2013-02-02 08:28:13 AM
Okay, where exactly in the Bible does it say that no one is allowed to make cakes for people whose union they disagree with?  State law is still against him, but if he can find me that passage, I'll give him partial credit.

What if the couple was jewish or atheist or had had children out of wedlock?   What if he knew the bride was going to be wearing a dress made of a mixture of fabrics or would not be making the requisite animal sacrifices or was on her period?

Obviously I wouldn't recommend the couple use any cake he would make them, but he deserves a lawsuit for sure.
 
2013-02-02 08:28:28 AM
Did Sweet Cakes owner Aaron Klein violate the law when he told the couple that he couldn't sell them a cake because "they were abominations to the Lord?"

He actually said that? To people who wanted to patronize his business? Not even just, "I'm sorry, but I can't take your business," or something?

Wow! Just . . . Wow!
 
2013-02-02 08:29:09 AM
So what.

I would suggest you libtards start your own business to serve these folks, but you'd rather rant and demand a government agency force businesses to provide politically correct services.

Put your money where your mouth is, instead of a foot for once.

You idiots.
 
2013-02-02 08:29:14 AM
it's the same deal if a man went in and wanted to marry his lawnmower

and he refused to make a lawnmower cake.

cakes are cakes bro
 
2013-02-02 08:29:24 AM

swingerofbirches: I think private businesses that aren't getting government funding should be allowed to be as douchey as they want.

I would really hate eating a cake too that someone made for me under government orders.


So he won't call the cops if he is robbed? Exactly what sort of business "uses no government services", and exists independently from society?
None that I can think of.
 
2013-02-02 08:29:38 AM

dsrtflwr: He's not one bit pretentious.

This is a non-story. He can refuse service to anyone he wants.


Actually, that's not true.
 
2013-02-02 08:30:25 AM

shotglasss: jso2897: eiger: shotglasss: Why do I have to pretend he's something other than a guy trying to make a living and honor his God? You want to turn him into something he's not for what reason?

And if you don't like the way he runs his business, go somewhere else.

Why didn't blacks in the South in the '50s and '60s realize your insight! They could have just gone elsewhere with their business rather than attempting to change the law to force business owners to serve them. I'm sure that would have worked.

It's kind of hilarious that these 12 year old jackasses think anti-discrimination law is some radical idea that's on the table for debate.

Blacks are humans. Gays are not. They don't deserve the same rights us normal people are born with. How's that?


While I doubt your claim of not being openly racist, at least you're being up-front about your indefensible bigotry.
 
2013-02-02 08:30:38 AM

ReverendJasen: Whether he broke any laws or not, I thnk we can safely agree he's gigantic douchebag.


He is entitled to his opinion.

Many businesses have a sign which reads "We Reserve the Right to Deny Service".

And why the flock would someone want to spend money at a business that hates them?
 
2013-02-02 08:30:51 AM

You Idiots: So what.

I would suggest you libtards start your own business to serve these folks, but you'd rather rant and demand a government agency force businesses to provide politically correct services.

Put your money where your mouth is, instead of a foot for once.

You idiots.


1962 called - it wants it's then-relevant "debate" back.
 
2013-02-02 08:31:03 AM

the opposite of charity is justice: There are straight people working in the wedding business?


I wouldn't have guessed either, but I guess it takes all kinds.
 
2013-02-02 08:31:26 AM

PonceAlyosha: Fuggin Bizzy: World's most pretentious same-sex couple refuses to find a different bakery.

They weren't interested in a cake, they were interested in a court case/news story. By all means, boycott the bakery with friends and sympathizers, ruin his reputation on Yelp or whatever, but running and tattling to the state is douchelordish.

World's most pretentious woman refuses to get in the back of the bus.


Behavior and physical attributes are not the same thing.
 
2013-02-02 08:31:31 AM
We see liberals fighting to strip basic gun rights out of our constitution, we see them limiting our religious free speech, and of course we see them pushing their immoral values on the right of us. You better believe they are going to be denied jobs, promotions, or in this case service. These dumbasses have somehow convinced themselves that they can do all the damage to society they wish, they can take all the shots they want, and somehow there is this magical shield around them which protects them against any consequences of their actions. They can street-lawyer away and fantasize about that million dollar settlement they'll never receive, but the bottom line is that the rest of us are going to hold you childish little dumbasses accountable for your actions. That resume is going right in the trash, that pink slip will list no real cause, and you can buy your cake elsewhere.
 
2013-02-02 08:31:51 AM

KrispyKritter: Many businesses have a sign which reads "We Reserve the Right to Deny Service".


That doesn't magically make them immune from anti-discrimination laws.
 
2013-02-02 08:34:27 AM
I like the direction this thread is facing

i.imgur.com

And the other direction it's facing too


/My icing is everywhere now
 
2013-02-02 08:34:43 AM

PonceAlyosha: KrispyKritter: Many businesses have a sign which reads "We Reserve the Right to Deny Service".

That doesn't magically make them immune from anti-discrimination laws.


State anti discrimination laws don't magically trump the 1st amendment.  Take a civics class.
 
2013-02-02 08:34:50 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: PonceAlyosha: Fuggin Bizzy: World's most pretentious same-sex couple refuses to find a different bakery.

They weren't interested in a cake, they were interested in a court case/news story. By all means, boycott the bakery with friends and sympathizers, ruin his reputation on Yelp or whatever, but running and tattling to the state is douchelordish.

World's most pretentious woman refuses to get in the back of the bus.

Behavior and physical attributes are not the same thing.


Sexual Orientation and the size of the anterior commissure of the human brain. Warning PDF. Secret physical attributes FTW.
 
2013-02-02 08:36:11 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: PonceAlyosha: Fuggin Bizzy: World's most pretentious same-sex couple refuses to find a different bakery.

They weren't interested in a cake, they were interested in a court case/news story. By all means, boycott the bakery with friends and sympathizers, ruin his reputation on Yelp or whatever, but running and tattling to the state is douchelordish.

World's most pretentious woman refuses to get in the back of the bus.

Behavior and physical attributes are not the same thing.


Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.
 
2013-02-02 08:36:11 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: PonceAlyosha: KrispyKritter: Many businesses have a sign which reads "We Reserve the Right to Deny Service".

That doesn't magically make them immune from anti-discrimination laws.

State anti discrimination laws don't magically trump the 1st amendment.  Take a civics class.


The First Amendment has nothing to do with this case. The First Amendment doesn't say "anything remotely religious a free for all justification." Since no one is establishing a religion through legislature, it's apparent you don't have any idea what the fark you're talking about.
 
2013-02-02 08:36:14 AM

WhoopAssWayne: We see liberals fighting to strip basic gun rights out of our constitution, we see them limiting our religious free speech, and of course we see them pushing their immoral values on the right of us. You better believe they are going to be denied jobs, promotions, or in this case service. These dumbasses have somehow convinced themselves that they can do all the damage to society they wish, they can take all the shots they want, and somehow there is this magical shield around them which protects them against any consequences of their actions. They can street-lawyer away and fantasize about that million dollar settlement they'll never receive, but the bottom line is that the rest of us are going to hold you childish little dumbasses accountable for your actions. That resume is going right in the trash, that pink slip will list no real cause, and you can buy your cake elsewhere.


That won't work either. Nothing will. It's a lost battle. Let it go, because, you know - it's gone.
 
2013-02-02 08:38:38 AM

jso2897: You Idiots: So what.

I would suggest you libtards start your own business to serve these folks, but you'd rather rant and demand a government agency force businesses to provide politically correct services.

Put your money where your mouth is, instead of a foot for once.

You idiots.

1962 called - it wants it's then-relevant "debate" back.


You probably cry about cops being bullies, too.
 
2013-02-02 08:40:56 AM

You Idiots: jso2897: You Idiots: So what.

I would suggest you libtards start your own business to serve these folks, but you'd rather rant and demand a government agency force businesses to provide politically correct services.

Put your money where your mouth is, instead of a foot for once.

You idiots.

1962 called - it wants it's then-relevant "debate" back.

You probably cry about cops being bullies, too.


I don't cry about anything. I'm an old and happy man, and quite pleased with the civilized direction society is moving in.
How about you?
 
2013-02-02 08:40:58 AM

WhoopAssWayne: We see liberals fighting to strip basic gun rights out of our constitution, we see them limiting our religious free speech, and of course we see them pushing their immoral values on the right of us. You better believe they are going to be denied jobs, promotions, or in this case service. These dumbasses have somehow convinced themselves that they can do all the damage to society they wish, they can take all the shots they want, and somehow there is this magical shield around them which protects them against any consequences of their actions. They can street-lawyer away and fantasize about that million dollar settlement they'll never receive, but the bottom line is that the rest of us are going to hold you childish little dumbasses accountable for your actions. That resume is going right in the trash, that pink slip will list no real cause, and you can buy your cake elsewhere.


Thanks for making it obvious in one post that you're a giant douche. Now I don't have to debate whether or not to tag your posts in flaming bright orange.
 
2013-02-02 08:41:45 AM
Subby: That is NOT being pretentious, that is called standing up for your beliefs and I happen to agree with him. I would not service gay couples either!
 
2013-02-02 08:42:44 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: PonceAlyosha: KrispyKritter: Many businesses have a sign which reads "We Reserve the Right to Deny Service".

That doesn't magically make them immune from anti-discrimination laws.

State anti discrimination laws don't magically trump the 1st amendment.  Take a civics class.


They don't magically trump the Motor Vehicle Code either - so what? There is no 1st amendment issue here.
 
2013-02-02 08:44:02 AM

LtDarkstar: Subby: That is NOT being pretentious, that is called standing up for your beliefs and I happen to agree with him. I would not service gay couples either!


See above.
 
2013-02-02 08:44:21 AM
He's just angling to get his own cake-baking reality show on the Glenn Beck Network: "White Flour"
 
2013-02-02 08:45:06 AM

jso2897: SpdrJay: Go
To
A
Different
Bakery

No. Prosecute the lawbreaking criminal - just like if he was an illegal alien, or a gang-banger, or somebody else you don't like.


To be fair, would they even want a cake from this guy now? Some things are fungible, like Walmart selling one of a thousand pairs of socks. If Walmart refused to sell socks to gay people, that would be different than creating a work of art that your focus and craft have to go into. This guy's principles are misguided, but I don't know how I feel about forcing someone to create specific art. What if a right-winged redneck came into your cake shop and demanded you make him a birthday cake decorated with machine guns and "F*** Mohammad GO USA!!!" written on it? He could sue you for discrimination if you refused to put your craft into that. Art is special like that.
 
2013-02-02 08:45:11 AM

LtDarkstar: Subby: That is NOT being pretentious, that is called standing up for your beliefs and I happen to agree with him. I would not service gay couples either!


Well, as long as you don't run a business that serves the public, in a state or other country that treats sexual orienation as a protected class, you're golden. But that's not the case with this fellow.
 
2013-02-02 08:46:59 AM

PonceAlyosha: Sexual Orientation and the size of the anterior commissure of the human brain. Warning PDF. Secret physical attributes FTW.


Because he looked at their brain scan with his hidden mri machine.

Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.


Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert.  I'm not even sure why you'd think that.

PonceAlyosha: The First Amendment has nothing to do with this case. The First Amendment doesn't say "anything remotely religious a free for all justification." Since no one is establishing a religion through legislature, it's apparent you don't have any idea what the fark you're talking about.


Sure it does.  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.If your religious beliefs suggest that you shouldn't cooperate with people who do certain types of things, then by forcing a person to cooperate, you're prohibiting free exercise of their religious tenets.
 
2013-02-02 08:48:05 AM

Tommy Moo: jso2897: SpdrJay: Go
To
A
Different
Bakery

No. Prosecute the lawbreaking criminal - just like if he was an illegal alien, or a gang-banger, or somebody else you don't like.

To be fair, would they even want a cake from this guy now? Some things are fungible, like Walmart selling one of a thousand pairs of socks. If Walmart refused to sell socks to gay people, that would be different than creating a work of art that your focus and craft have to go into. This guy's principles are misguided, but I don't know how I feel about forcing someone to create specific art. What if a right-winged redneck came into your cake shop and demanded you make him a birthday cake decorated with machine guns and "F*** Mohammad GO USA!!!" written on it? He could sue you for discrimination if you refused to put your craft into that. Art is special like that.


At this point, I don't think they want a cake from the guy. i think they intend to demonstrate to him that he cannot violate the laws of the State of Oregon with impunity. By making an example of one lawbreaker, you can discourage other potential lawbreakers from breaking the law. Or at least that's the theory of "deterrence".
 
2013-02-02 08:48:31 AM

WhoopAssWayne: We see liberals fighting to strip basic gun rights out of our constitution, we see them limiting our religious free speech, and of course we see them pushing their immoral values on the right of us. You better believe they are going to be denied jobs, promotions, or in this case service. These dumbasses have somehow convinced themselves that they can do all the damage to society they wish, they can take all the shots they want, and somehow there is this magical shield around them which protects them against any consequences of their actions. They can street-lawyer away and fantasize about that million dollar settlement they'll never receive, but the bottom line is that the rest of us are going to hold you childish little dumbasses accountable for your actions. That resume is going right in the trash, that pink slip will list no real cause, and you can buy your cake elsewhere.


It must burn your candy ass that I work for a liberal and don't really give a shiat about where I get my cake from. You don't want my money? Fine. That much less for you. My business will go to someone with morals.
 
2013-02-02 08:49:03 AM

dsrtflwr: He's not one bit pretentious.

This is a non-story. He can refuse service to anyone he wants.


He can't refuse to sell them a cake because they're gay.
If they ask him to do something gay with it, like putting a cute groom and groom figure on top, he can refuse that. They don't get to tell him what design his cakes are.
And then they can say "what a dick", and take their money to his competitor instead.
 
2013-02-02 08:49:17 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Because he looked at their brain scan with his hidden mri machine.


"He checked melanin levels with his his hidden immunohistomine dyes."
 
2013-02-02 08:49:25 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: PonceAlyosha: Sexual Orientation and the size of the anterior commissure of the human brain. Warning PDF. Secret physical attributes FTW.

Because he looked at their brain scan with his hidden mri machine.

Serious Black: Poe's Law alert, especially given the political compass posted in your profile.

Libertarian means that I don't think the government should be telling you who you work for/with, so no, not a Poe's law alert.  I'm not even sure why you'd think that.

PonceAlyosha: The First Amendment has nothing to do with this case. The First Amendment doesn't say "anything remotely religious a free for all justification." Since no one is establishing a religion through legislature, it's apparent you don't have any idea what the fark you're talking about.

Sure it does.  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.If your religious beliefs suggest that you shouldn't cooperate with people who do certain types of things, then by forcing a person to cooperate, you're prohibiting free exercise of their religious tenets.


So Quakers should be exempt from paying the portion of their Federal taxes that go to defense?
 
2013-02-02 08:49:45 AM
Even if his guy is basing his bigotry on the Bible, the line reads that "no man should lie with another man". God was totally down with the girl on girl action.


WhoopAssWayne: We see liberals fighting to strip basic gun rights out of our constitution, we see them limiting our religious free speech


No you haven't.
 
2013-02-02 08:50:23 AM

jso2897: At this point, I don't think they want a cake from the guy. i think they intend to demonstrate to him that he cannot violate the laws of the State of Oregon with impunity. By making an example of one lawbreaker, you can discourage other potential lawbreakers from breaking the law. Or at least that's the theory of "deterrence".


If they think the supreme court is going to erode religious freedom so they don't have to look for a wedding cake somewhere else, they have another thing coming.

/and that thing isn't a wedding cake
 
2013-02-02 08:50:25 AM

jso2897: So Quakers should be exempt from paying the portion of their Federal taxes that go to defense?


And my Slaanesh worship means I can earfark whatever I feel like at any time?
 
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