Ishkur: Canada's not a gun-free utopia.

Canada has almost as many guns per capita as the United States.

It just doesn't have crazy people.

I'm pretty sure your third point could be disproven rather quickly. It's just that Canada doesn't have the same retarded mentality as the US when it comes to guns.

omeganuepsilon: This.

Also, any limitation or regulation on firearms only serve to hamper/harass/limit law abiding citizens(aside from possible safety regulations, so they don't blow up in your face and such).  The lawless and crazy don't give 2 farks, apparently, about law and order. If they're bent on killing people, they WILL get it done.

So any limitations on the ability for the mentally ill to obtain legal firearms, which in many states can be done in a matter of five minutes, are useless because they'll buy them off the street? Laws are useless because people will break them anyway, that's your argument here?

And don't give me the crap about "they're prohibited from it". They're only prohibited if they've had a court-ordered involuntary commitment. Even if they checked themselves in for treatment of their Paranoid Schizophrenia where they think Obama is lurking in their bushes and sleep with a gun at night because of it, their only barrier to purchase is a single question on the NCIC Form.

While Lawful gun owners are not the problem, mentally ill people legally obtaining firearms IS a problem. I'm pretty OK with a restriction on that which doesn't depend on individual honesty.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Spiralmonkey: Yep, 6 people are injured, not dead.  What's your point, subby?

Not every stabbing is meant to kill the target.  If someone stabs you even once, you're pretty much at their mercy after that, because you're not fighting back very well, and you're not outrunning them.

I actually agree with you on this. If you're not able to drop someone before they get in range of the knife, nothing you do is going to turn out well. You're going to get hurt, badly, even if you walk away from it. Real life is not a Chuck Norris movie, and knife fighting is a dirty, bloody mess of a thing.

In close combat, given a choice between a guy with a pistol, and the guy running at me with a knife, I'd kill the knife guy first.

Oh hey look. Everyone survived someone being a crazy asshole.


If only they all had guns this would have never happened.


And by that I mean several people would certainly be dead.

Gyrfalcon: Now if any of those victims had been armed with a gun, the stabber would be dead now. And clearly that would be better. For some reason.

I'm sure those people feel safer knowing that if they carry a gun they'd get a longer sentence than the attacker.

Mean while, in New York
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTdhVxva5KU

Spaghettiows: There needs to be a middle-ground solution that the extremists on both sides will loathe but will actually be supported by most non-zealots.

I see no reason why one shouldn't have to pass a severe, buttprobing background and mental health check before being allowed to legally purchase guns.  You know, so we can be reasonably sure that you're really the "law-abiding" citizen you say you are.  Then once you have clearance, you're issued a permit and can buy any damn guns you want.  Unless you screw up somewhere, then your permit, and guns, are taken away.

Anyone caught providing guns to somebody without a permit gets sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

So... I get more time for providing a gun than raping a woman.

Brilliant.

rattchett: Well if the first stabbing victim shot him, that would have saved the other people a stabbing, so there would be that benefit.


As well as killed half a dozen innocent people 1/4 of a mile away because he needed an AR-15 to defend himself like any true American should.

lewismarktwo: Yeah, it's way better to be crippled for the rest of your life than go out quickly and in painless shock.

I've concluded three things from your post:

you believe it is impossible to be crippled from a gun shot.
you believe all bullet wounds anywhere on the body is an instant painless death.
you believe it is impossible to live a happy and fulfilling life as a "crippled".

Laws are needed...as an abstract thought.  It is why we already have laws..  Piling on MORE laws, does nothing to address the problem.

That is the point.

Conflating that sentiment to the desire to be free of all law is also common on fark.

Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't understand the whole gun debate.  Honestly.

If I wanted to kill a lot of people....the most people possible.  I wouldn't use a gun.  I wouldn't use a knife.  I'd use explosives and fire.  And you can't regulate either of those things.  A can of gasoline, some chains, some locks, and you can kill everyone in the room.  The worst school killing in the US didn't involve guns.

Explosives are much harder to track, easier to get and can be set off in a variety of different ways.

Hell, if I were really desperate - I'd use a car.  Get a big pickup truck or something similar and just drive through a crowded pedestrian area.

I don't own a gun, I don't hang out at the gun range....I don't have stock in a gun company.  I don't care about guns.  But if I were insane, if I wanted to kill people, I can't fathom how gun regulation would stop me or any other psychopath who wants to kill people.

This.

Also, any limitation or regulation on firearms only serve to hamper/harass/limit law abiding citizens(aside from possible safety regulations, so they don't blow up in your face and such).  The lawless and crazy don't give 2 farks, apparently, about law and order. If they're bent on killing people, they WILL get it done.

Yeah, it's way better to be crippled for the rest of your life than go out quickly and in painless shock.

Fark_Guy_Rob: If I wanted to kill a lot of people....the most people possible.  I wouldn't use a gun.  I wouldn't use a knife.  I'd use explosives and fire.  And you can't regulate either of those things.  A can of gasoline, some chains, some locks, and you can kill everyone in the room.  The worst school killing in the US didn't involve guns.

Explosives are much harder to track, easier to get and can be set off in a variety of different ways.

You're actually more likely to kill yourself doing that, and gasoline is crappy for creating a bomb - big flash, little spread. If you're using a petrochemical, propane would be the way to go. At minimum, you'd want to use black powder in a closed metallic or plastic container, if not a home-mixed high grade explosive. Locks and chains are an inefficient spread type of projectile. Most handbooks for improvised munitions and anarchist cookbooks recommend either nails or ball bearings (bomb vests that suicide bombers use are loaded with them.)

It's not hard to actually make an ANFO bomb, and you can buy the fertilizer over time - which is what McVeigh did to avoid detection. You can make a blasting cap out of a 12 gauge shotgun shell with very little knowledge.

/wow. Why are there black helicopters outside?
//The skinheads like to use pipebombs, and leave special suprises for cops and emergency responders. Know your enemy, so to speak.

I don't understand the whole gun debate.  Honestly.

If I wanted to kill a lot of people....the most people possible.  I wouldn't use a gun.  I wouldn't use a knife.  I'd use explosives and fire.  And you can't regulate either of those things.  A can of gasoline, some chains, some locks, and you can kill everyone in the room.  The worst school killing in the US didn't involve guns.

Explosives are much harder to track, easier to get and can be set off in a variety of different ways.

Hell, if I were really desperate - I'd use a car.  Get a big pickup truck or something similar and just drive through a crowded pedestrian area.

I don't own a gun, I don't hang out at the gun range....I don't have stock in a gun company.  I don't care about guns.  But if I were insane, if I wanted to kill people, I can't fathom how gun regulation would stop me or any other psychopath who wants to kill people.

Mentat: Canada needs to ban high-capacity knives.

Won't somebody think of the children?

ows: oh man, just glad it wasn't a sharpened hockey stick ay.

It's 'eh' you heathen.

Oh yeah? Check out this Canadian cut...



No, that's not missing a letter.

/Moose knuckle

Why is it that most gun nuts sound like exactly the kind of people who should be on a "mentally ill-should not be allowed to own guns" list?

crab66: Oh hey look. Everyone survived someone being a crazy asshole.


If only they all had guns this would have never happened.


And by that I mean several people would certainly be dead.

Preferably the attacker.  If the first victim would have sprayed the walls with the attacker's brains it would have saved a few victims and the cost of a trial.

LordJiro: Meanwhile, in the gun-free utopia of Canada  ...A guy went nuts and injured five people. I

FFS, why did that send before I finished it. *Ahem*

In America, that same guy would probably have injured or killed at least twice that.

Meanwhile, in the gun-free utopia of Canada  ...A guy went nuts and injured five people. I