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2013-02-02 09:39:52 AM
Canada's not a gun-free utopia.

Canada has almost as many guns per capita as the United States.

It just doesn't have crazy people.
 
2013-02-02 09:44:14 AM

Spiralmonkey: Yep, 6 people are injured, not dead.  What's your point, subby?


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Done in one.
 
2013-02-02 09:47:44 AM

Ishkur: Canada's not a gun-free utopia.

Canada has almost as many guns per capita as the United States.

It just doesn't have crazy people.


I'm pretty sure your third point could be disproven rather quickly. It's just that Canada doesn't have the same retarded mentality as the US when it comes to guns.
 
2013-02-02 09:48:17 AM
Not only do Canadians have guns, some Americans even go to Canada to hunt--so the restrictions must not be that bad.
 
2013-02-02 09:50:11 AM

change1211: I'm pretty sure your third point could be disproven rather quickly. It's just that Canada doesn't have the same retarded mentality as the US when it comes to guns.


Allow me to reform my assertion

Canada has <i>treatment</I> for its crazy people.
 
2013-02-02 09:50:58 AM

Gyrfalcon: Now if any of those victims had been armed with a gun, the stabber would be dead now. And clearly that would be better. For some reason.


Well if the first stabbing victim shot him, that would have saved the other people a stabbing, so there would be that benefit.
 
2013-02-02 09:51:23 AM
The NKA has released a statement urging Canadians to carry concealed cutlery. The only thing that ill stop a bad guy with a knife is a good guy with a knife.
 
2013-02-02 09:53:46 AM

rattchett: Well if the first stabbing victim shot him, that would have saved the other people a stabbing, so there would be that benefit.



As well as killed half a dozen innocent people 1/4 of a mile away because he needed an AR-15 to defend himself like any true American should.
 
2013-02-02 09:53:58 AM
Whatever happened to those awesome knife stores in the mall? They seemed to have disappeared. I blame OJ.
 
2013-02-02 10:13:29 AM
Maybe this thinking is up next?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm
 
2013-02-02 10:16:24 AM

BronyMedic: edmo: Good point subs.  No gun deaths in that article.

I'm pretty sure you can own a Firearm in Canada, it's just highly regulated depending on what province you're in.


Province is irrelevant. The level of regulation is dependant on the the type of firearms. Handguns are highly regulated.
 
2013-02-02 10:18:02 AM
I know more than one cop that has told me personally that knifes scare the crap out of them more than guns because they are silent.  A bouncer I knew got stabbed 5 times and the bouncer next to him didn't have a clue what was going on.  Remember, inside ~20 feet, a knife wins.
http://www.marsec4.com/2010/02/realistic-edged-weapon-defense-traini ng /
 
2013-02-02 10:19:07 AM

crab66: rattchett: Well if the first stabbing victim shot him, that would have saved the other people a stabbing, so there would be that benefit.


As well as killed half a dozen innocent people 1/4 of a mile away because he needed an AR-15 to defend himself like any true American should.


When did that happen? Sounds terrible. And pulled forth from your unremarkable anus.
 
2013-02-02 10:21:22 AM

pciszek: Not only do Canadians have guns, some Americans even go to Canada to hunt--so the restrictions must not be that bad.


Quantum Apostrophe: Canada is not gun-free, and is FAR from an utopia, I assure you.


Ironic statements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#Verbal_irony">verbal irony)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#cite_note-2">[2] are statements that imply a meaning in opposition to their literal meaning. A situation is often considered to be ironic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#Situational_irony">situational irony) if there is an "incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#cite_note-3">
 
2013-02-02 10:26:11 AM

doglover: Spiralmonkey: Yep, 6 people are injured, not dead.  What's your point, subby?

You've never seen the aftermath of a knife attack, have you.

There's a reason the "coup de grace" was invented.


Yeah, bullet wounds are so much prettier.

What the hell is wrong with you???
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-02 10:40:58 AM

I drunk what: duckpoopy: Obsession with "collecting" owning guns is a mental illness. Track these people and lock them up.

and who owns the most guns? that's right

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these "adults" actually believe in angels ;D

this is what we refer to (in the clinical medical field) as "completely retarded" and yet here we are actually debating on whether or not they should be allowed to own guns?!?

is this the stone ages?

This world needs some progress.

For Evolution!


I hope you are jesting. If not go sit in a corner while us grownups have a discussion.
I am Christian. I don't suffer from any of the delusions of which you speak.
Stop generalizing and lumping all Christians of any variance together. It is offensive and smacks of ignorance.
 
2013-02-02 10:41:13 AM

Fail in Human Form: crab66: Oh hey look. Everyone survived someone being a crazy asshole.


If only they all had guns this would have never happened.


And by that I mean several people would certainly be dead.

Preferably the attacker.  If the first victim would have sprayed the walls with the attacker's brains it would have saved a few victims and the cost of a trial.


You see, this is why liberals tend to think people like you can't handle the responsibility that comes with the right to bear arms.

It's the "god, I hope someone tries to break in here tonight so I can try out my new toy!" mentality.

No one died in this situation, and this is the best possible outcome, and yet, here you are saying that this would have turned out better if the "right" people had died.

You know, there's a name for people who take pleasure in the deaths of others, even bad people:  you're called sociopaths.  And no, you shouldn't be allowed to own ANY weapons whatsoever.
 
2013-02-02 10:45:27 AM

eggrolls: doglover: Spiralmonkey: Yep, 6 people are injured, not dead.  What's your point, subby?

You've never seen the aftermath of a knife attack, have you.

There's a reason the "coup de grace" was invented.

Yeah, bullet wounds are so much prettier.

What the hell is wrong with you???


It depends on the bullet.  It could be like being stabbed with an ice-pick  which is better than being stabbed by a kitchen knife.
 
2013-02-02 10:46:53 AM
There needs to be a middle-ground solution that the extremists on both sides will loathe but will actually be supported by most non-zealots.

I see no reason why one shouldn't have to pass a severe, buttprobing background and mental health check before being allowed to legally purchase guns.  You know, so we can be reasonably sure that you're really the "law-abiding" citizen you say you are.  Then once you have clearance, you're issued a permit and can buy any damn guns you want.  Unless you screw up somewhere, then your permit, and guns, are taken away.

Anyone caught providing guns to somebody without a permit gets sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
 
2013-02-02 11:03:19 AM
Clearly we have to arm Canadians against people who live in France.
 
2013-02-02 11:18:10 AM
Canada should ban the French.

Seriously, it seems like that would solve a lot of your nation's problems.

/just don't send them here
 
2013-02-02 11:26:13 AM

Spaghettiows: There needs to be a middle-ground solution that the extremists on both sides will loathe but will actually be supported by most non-zealots.

I see no reason why one shouldn't have to pass a severe, buttprobing background and mental health check before being allowed to legally purchase guns.  You know, so we can be reasonably sure that you're really the "law-abiding" citizen you say you are.  Then once you have clearance, you're issued a permit and can buy any damn guns you want.  Unless you screw up somewhere, then your permit, and guns, are taken away.

Anyone caught providing guns to somebody without a permit gets sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.


So... I get more time for providing a gun than raping a woman.

Brilliant.
 
2013-02-02 11:26:18 AM

change1211: Ishkur: Canada's not a gun-free utopia.

Canada has almost as many guns per capita as the United States.

It just doesn't have crazy people.

I'm pretty sure your third point could be disproven rather quickly. It's just that Canada doesn't have the same retarded mentality as the US when it comes to guns.


I would say it is more of our socialized (gasp) safety net that makes sure people with mental and medical issues don't get to the point that this happens. But also our gun laws are more restrictive (and it could be said that our culture isn't as gun happy (well we didn't have to fight for our independence so that plays a good part of it)) but don't take our maple syrup or there could be words.
 
2013-02-02 11:41:30 AM

rikkards: change1211: Ishkur: Canada's not a gun-free utopia.

Canada has almost as many guns per capita as the United States.

It just doesn't have crazy people.

I'm pretty sure your third point could be disproven rather quickly. It's just that Canada doesn't have the same retarded mentality as the US when it comes to guns.

I would say it is more of our socialized (gasp) safety net that makes sure people with mental and medical issues don't get to the point that this happens. But also our gun laws are more restrictive (and it could be said that our culture isn't as gun happy (well we didn't have to fight for our independence so that plays a good part of it)) but don't take our maple syrup or there could be words.


You probably are right on the socialized medicine/social safety net side of things.

Most of the people I know have at least one rifle or shotgun and there are many more pistols than people think. Also, most people could get a firearm within 24 hours if they really wanted one. Yet shootings are pretty rare.

Maybe American individualism leads to isolated people. Maybe a lack of healthcare leads to problems festering. Is the problem cultural?
 
2013-02-02 11:42:09 AM

bingethinker: Subby is a moron. There are plenty of guns in Canada. We just have fewer nutcases who feel it's their God-given right to kill a bunch of people for no apparent reason.


More of the criminals & religious fundamentalists wound up here rather than in Canada. Perhaps a synergy between criminality & extreme religious beliefs may explain some of our problems down here.

/ Georgia was once a British penal colony, IIRC.
 
2013-02-02 11:52:46 AM

rikkards: change1211: Ishkur: Canada's not a gun-free utopia.

Canada has almost as many guns per capita as the United States.

It just doesn't have crazy people.

I'm pretty sure your third point could be disproven rather quickly. It's just that Canada doesn't have the same retarded mentality as the US when it comes to guns.

I would say it is more of our socialized (gasp) safety net that makes sure people with mental and medical issues don't get to the point that this happens. But also our gun laws are more restrictive (and it could be said that our culture isn't as gun happy (well we didn't have to fight for our independence so that plays a good part of it)) but don't take our maple syrup or there could be words.


I don't think it's necessarily the socialist infrastructure that worries conservative-minded Americans. I think it's the stupid crap that also gets passed in more socialist countries.

When I went to Ontario last summer... I couldn't get a hamburger cooked anything under medium-well. It destroys the taste. It's a presupposition that I'm too stupid as a person to realize the "health risk" that comes with eating undercooked meat. I mean, I'm from the American Midwest. Burgers are basically my go-to dish at a restaurant. I've eaten them my entire life, never ordering them medium well. I've never once gotten sick from it.

The impounding of cars for speeding is another thing. I realize it's an Ontario thing and not necessarily true across the whole of Canada, but it's sort of an overreaction to speeding. It's amusing when you see a driver with Ontario plates here in central Missouri (it happens every once in a while), because they are almost always going well over the 70 MPH speed limit. If Canada didn't have these sorts of regulations and just had the socialized medicine... I don't think Americans would have as much objection to it.

/We're free here, eh, floor it!
 
2013-02-02 12:09:17 PM
i read that as "drug-free utopia"
i guess guns == drugs in my mind
 
2013-02-02 12:18:48 PM

Oysterman: Pocket Ninja: If the people he attacked had been carrying knives themselves, this wouldn't have been a problem.

National Sharp Object Association says that the only way to be sure is to let them also wield swords.


Wait til the government investigates the Royal Society For Putting Thing On Top Of Other Things...

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2013-02-02 12:24:02 PM

jaybeezey: V-neck t and half a fauxhawk. Clearly he couldn't deal with his douche bag anymore.


He looks like the kind of typical doosh that Vancouver attracts. He'd probably sell his grandma for a house in West Van....
 
2013-02-02 12:26:33 PM
Marine1:
Anyone caught providing guns to somebody without a permit gets sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

So... I get more time for providing a gun than raping a woman.

Brilliant.


Oh, you mean like our current drug laws, where a pot dealer gets more time than a lifetime child molester.

But seriously, thank you because it was a brilliant idea.  So it will never happen.
 
2013-02-02 12:31:53 PM
I am from Canada, Alberta specifically. We have plenty of guns here, probably as many per capita as the United States; however, our culture is different.  We respect that guns can be dangerous, so we have checks and balances on the acquisition of them.  We have background checks, mental health checks, and a wait period.  We also have laws regarding the storage of guns, they have to be locked up.  I am not saying that everyone follows these laws, but overall, we do. And consequently, we have a lot less gun violence than in the States.

My personal opinion is that Americans need to change the way they think about guns.  Many gun owners seem to have this wild west bloodlust fantasy about shooting intruders, rapists, etc. They seem to live in fear that their personal safety is on the line, which I think is rather ridiculous, as all kinds of crime is down to record low numbers.  But the NRA and media foster this perception, for their own gain, obviously, and so gun owners think emotionally rather than logically.

I'm glad I live in Canada.
 
2013-02-02 12:37:50 PM

change1211: Ishkur: Canada's not a gun-free utopia.

Canada has almost as many guns per capita as the United States.

It just doesn't have crazy people.

I'm pretty sure your third point could be disproven rather quickly. It's just that Canada doesn't have the same retarded mentality as the US when it comes to guns.


The reason for this is our political discussions are not charged with the same violent rhetoric that is common in the United States.

We are a nation that gained its independence through peaceful negotiation. It wasn't a case of 1/3 of the population using force of arms to impose its ideal of a perfect government upon the rest of the population. Our folk heroes tend not to men of violence (hockey players excepted). Our politicians tend to be bland academics, smart yet boring people. We do not view them as rock stars but merely as civil servants.

The United States gained its independence through violent force. It was more of a civil war than an actual revolution. Approximately 1/3 of the colonists were in favour of independence, 1/3 wished to remain loyal to England and work out their differences through proper political channels, and 1/3 didn't give a crap either way they just wanted to be left alone to live their lives in peace. After the revolution ended there was a very violent, unstable period in the colonies where the fledgling nation was purged, through violent force of those who were deemed impure. In some cases the conflict divided families with one son going to fight for the Loyalists and the other going to fight with the Revolutionists. The purity of that family was determined by which son made it out of the war alive. If the Revolutionist son made it back alive then the family was deemed Patriots and left in peace. If the Loyalist son made it back alive then they were branded traitors and were likely to be tortured or murdered and their property confiscated. Most of them fled to Canada.

Even for the Revolutionists there was an uneasy period after the war where they tried to work out whether they would become 12 independent nations or one nation with 12 states. Tensions were such that it could have almost sparked a war between the states. Eventually they worked things out and as the victors were free to write history as they felt fit which is why most American school children probably learn that the American Revolution was about taxation without representation (it wasn't, Franklin was specifically instructed not to accept representation in the British Parliament) and that it was a revolution that had the complete support of the colonial population and everything was peachy keen and sunshine when the war was over.

The over all message behind the revolution is "if you don't like the way things are, get a gun and kill everybody who doesn't think the same way you do". This is how the 2nd Amendment is interpreted. The Founding Fathers, in their infallible wisdom, did not draft the 2nd Amendment to ensure for the common defence of their fledgling nation through a well regulated militia of citizen soldiers, they wrote the 2nd Amendment to give every American citizen the right to grab a gun and kill everybody who doesn't think the same way they do if they don't like the way things are. This is what people are talking about when they talk about 2nd Amendment Solutions. It is the underlying cultural foundation of the United States that Guns equal POWER and their history has proved this. This is why people like Ted Nugent fantasize about leading his army of Wolverines to march on D.C. to install him as the future George Washington of HIS new ideal of what the United States should be.

Now some people will be quick to blame violent video games or violent movies as the reason why the United States has so much gun violence compared to nations like Canada. However, we Canadians love our violent video games just as much as our American cousins. We enjoy a good gory shoot 'em up as much as they do south of the border. We consume the exact same cultural artefacts as our American counterparts and we also love our guns too. But we don't have anywhere near the level of gun violence and mass shooting are almost unheard of. The reason is because we don't have the cultural belief that guns equal power. We buy guns for reasons such as targeting shooting is fun, or my personal favourite reason to own a gun ducks are really delicious. We don't buy them so we can live out the fantasy of overthrowing out democratically elected government and killing everyone who stands in our way of putting in the type of government we'd rather have instead.

The 2nd Amendment solution crowd aren't a threat to the government of the United States, they haven't been since the invention of the bomber. No matter how much they draw a line in the sand and say "if the government crosses that line then I'm going to raise my army and start killing people" they will always move that line back another inch when nobody is looking. An actual armed revolt is bloody, horrible, messy, and those people who fantasize about being the next George Washington are probably going to be cut down in the first 20 minutes of a real fire fight. They've got a full belly, a nice TV, and 100 channels on box to keep them happy and they can always go on YouTube to vent a little steam now and then.

Unfortunately, every now and then an over stressed, delusional person with his 2nd Amendment Solution stockpile will snap under the weight of his own impotence to affect any real change in the world around him. This is where the culture of guns equal power turns deadly. This is when they decide to show the world what power they really have. Their power will be felt forever in the tears of grieving loved ones. Their power will be felt by ever child who is afraid to go to school. Their power will be felt in ever co-worker who fears returning to the job. The 24 hour news channels will gorge themselves on their glorious power. So they take their gun and they execute their 2nd Amendment right to grab a gun and kill everyone who does things they don't want being done.

This is why mass shootings happen. As a nation the United States has created a culture that glorifies the concept of a brave individual standing up against what they perceive to be tyranny and unleashing hell fire upon them until everyone they view as a tyrant lays dead on the ground or their gun is taken from their cold dead hand.

Guns and violence are the religion of the United States.
 
2013-02-02 12:44:28 PM

Spaghettiows: Marine1:
Anyone caught providing guns to somebody without a permit gets sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

So... I get more time for providing a gun than raping a woman.

Brilliant.

Oh, you mean like our current drug laws, where a pot dealer gets more time than a lifetime child molester.

But seriously, thank you because it was a brilliant idea.  So it will never happen.


...

Eh, next person.
 
2013-02-02 12:57:26 PM
Marine1:

Eh, next person.

Compelling argument!  Good Boy, you get the gold star!  Now go to bed, sonny.
 
2013-02-02 12:57:50 PM
Marine1:
The impounding of cars for speeding is another thing. I realize it's an Ontario thing and not necessarily true across the whole of Canada, but it's sort of an overreaction to speeding. It's amusing when you see a driver with Ontario plates here in central Missouri (it happens every once in a while), because they are almost always going well over the 70 MPH speed limit. If Canada didn't have these sorts of regulations and just had the socialized medicine... I don't think Americans would have as much objection to it.

You have to be REALLY booting it past the speed limit in Ontario to get your car confiscated. Generally the accepted social contract is if you're driving 10 above the posted speed limit or 20 above the posted speed limit on a 400 series highway the cops will look the other way. 15/25 you're taking a chance and you're likely to get a ticket if the cop is behind on his quota. 20/30 don't come biatching to me when you get busted.

The real fun is every now and then you get an American tourist up here who doesn't realize we use the metric system.
 
2013-02-02 01:06:15 PM

Fail in Human Form: crab66: Oh hey look. Everyone survived someone being a crazy asshole.


If only they all had guns this would have never happened.


And by that I mean several people would certainly be dead.

Preferably the attacker.  If the first victim would have sprayed the walls with the attacker's brains it would have saved a few victims and the cost of a trial.

The solution, clearly, is to only give guns to people who can prove conclusively they will never misuse it. And that's nobody. Thanks for backing up gun control!
 
2013-02-02 01:13:00 PM
Meanwhile in Canada, we measure our mass shooting counter in YEARS and not WEEKS.
 
2013-02-02 01:27:09 PM

rattchett: BronyMedic: edmo: Good point subs.  No gun deaths in that article.

I'm pretty sure you can own a Firearm in Canada, it's just highly regulated depending on what province you're in.

Province is irrelevant. The level of regulation is dependant on the the type of firearms. Handguns are highly regulated.



Actually pronvincial regulations do play some part in it.  The purchase of a handgun or other restricted firearm is indeed regulated at the federal level, however the transport of said weapon, typically falls to the provinces and their Chief Firearms Officer.  In order to tranport my pistol anywhere off my property I need an Authorization To Transport.  The standards for a ATT DO vary from province to province.  In Saskatchewan (and I think Alberta is the same), once I have received my ATT I'm authorized to move my pistol from my house, to any registered firing range, gunsmith, or dealer/buyer, in the province, at any time.  In other province I had heard that the restrictions are much tougher, as in every time you go to the range you need to request an ATT that states where you are going, when, and when you will be returning.  To me that's way too much regulation and hassle. (Note, during my transport my pistol has to be rendered inoperable, unloaded, locked ina secure case, and in the trunk.

Marine1:

The impounding of cars for speeding is another thing. I realize it's an Ontario thing and not necessarily true across the whole of Canada, but it's sort of an overreaction to speeding. It's amusing when you see a driver with Ontario plates here in central Missouri (it happens every once in a while), because they are almost always going well over the 70 MPH speed limit. If Canada didn't have these sorts of regulations and just had the socialized medicine... I don't think Americans would have as much objection to it.

I think that this just for cars who are exceededing the speed limit by an excessive amount, ie. more than 40kph (25mph).  It's basically an excuse to clammp down on street racers, don't know if it gets abused for other things.  I too wish we could have juicier burgers...I feel your pain.


Ghastly:

Now some people will be quick to blame violent video games or violent movies as the reason why the United States has so much gun violence compared to nations like Canada. However, we Canadians love our violent video games just as much as our American cousins. We enjoy a good gory shoot 'em up as much as they do south of the border. We consume the exact same cultural artefacts as our American counterparts and we also love our guns too. But we don't have anywhere near the level of gun violence and mass shooting are almost unheard of. The reason is because we don't have the cultural belief that guns equal power. We buy guns for reasons such as targeting shooting is fun, or my personal favourite reason to own a gun ducks are really delicious. We don't buy them so we can live out the fantasy of overthrowing out democratically elected government and killing everyone who stands in our way of putting in the type of government we'd rather have instead.

And Yet the Czech Republic has much more liberal gun laws than Canada, still stricter than the states, and their rate of gun deaths is almost half of Canada's.  Frankly I wish our gun laws more closer to Czech Republics than what we have here currently.  Unfortunately the only party that is likely to loosen them is the Conservative, who I otherwise hate.

Anyways...

bottom line, I'd rather be shot than stabbed.
 
2013-02-02 01:37:29 PM

ReluctantPaladin: bottom line, I'd rather be shot than stabbed.


Pretty sweet to live in a country where having either one of those things happen is statistically insignificant.
 
2013-02-02 02:16:11 PM
Dig up some statistics showing how Canada is a more violent place than the US, please.
 
2013-02-02 02:22:15 PM

SandmanEatsYourBrain: Meanwhile in Canada, we measure our mass shooting counter in YEARS and not WEEKS.


We also act as a buffer between you and Mexico, we're still paying the consequences of slavery, and we have a much larger population.
 
2013-02-02 02:52:38 PM

Ghastly: change1211: Ishkur: Canada's not a gun-free utopia.

Canada has almost as many guns per capita as the United States.

It just doesn't have crazy people.

I'm pretty sure your third point could be disproven rather quickly. It's just that Canada doesn't have the same retarded mentality as the US when it comes to guns.

The reason for this is our political discussions are not charged with the same violent rhetoric that is common in the United States.

We are a nation that gained its independence through peaceful negotiation. It wasn't a case of 1/3 of the population using force of arms to impose its ideal of a perfect government upon the rest of the population. Our folk heroes tend not to men of violence (hockey players excepted). Our politicians tend to be bland academics, smart yet boring people. We do not view them as rock stars but merely as civil servants.

The United States gained its independence through violent force. It was more of a civil war than an actual revolution. Approximately 1/3 of the colonists were in favour of independence, 1/3 wished to remain loyal to England and work out their differences through proper political channels, and 1/3 didn't give a crap either way they just wanted to be left alone to live their lives in peace. After the revolution ended there was a very violent, unstable period in the colonies where the fledgling nation was purged, through violent force of those who were deemed impure. In some cases the conflict divided families with one son going to fight for the Loyalists and the other going to fight with the Revolutionists. The purity of that family was determined by which son made it out of the war alive. If the Revolutionist son made it back alive then the family was deemed Patriots and left in peace. If the Loyalist son made it back alive then they were branded traitors and were likely to be tortured or murdered and their property confiscated. Most of them fled to Canada.

Even for the Revolutionists there was an uneasy period after the war where they tried to work out whether they would become 12 independent nations or one nation with 12 states. Tensions were such that it could have almost sparked a war between the states. Eventually they worked things out and as the victors were free to write history as they felt fit which is why most American school children probably learn that the American Revolution was about taxation without representation (it wasn't, Franklin was specifically instructed not to accept representation in the British Parliament) and that it was a revolution that had the complete support of the colonial population and everything was peachy keen and sunshine when the war was over.

The over all message behind the revolution is "if you don't like the way things are, get a gun and kill everybody who doesn't think the same way you do". This is how the 2nd Amendment is interpreted. The Founding Fathers, in their infallible wisdom, did not draft the 2nd Amendment to ensure for the common defence of their fledgling nation through a well regulated militia of citizen soldiers, they wrote the 2nd Amendment to give every American citizen the right to grab a gun and kill everybody who doesn't think the same way they do if they don't like the way things are. This is what people are talking about when they talk about 2nd Amendment Solutions. It is the underlying cultural foundation of the United States that Guns equal POWER and their history has proved this. This is why people like Ted Nugent fantasize about leading his army of Wolverines to march on D.C. to install him as the future George Washington of HIS new ideal of what the United States should be.

Now some people will be quick to blame violent video games or violent movies as the reason why the United States has so much gun violence compared to nations like Canada. However, we Canadians love our violent video games just as much as our American cousins. We enjoy a good gory shoot 'em up as much as they do south of the border. We consume the exact same cultural artefacts as our American counterparts and we also love our guns too. But we don't have anywhere near the level of gun violence and mass shooting are almost unheard of. The reason is because we don't have the cultural belief that guns equal power. We buy guns for reasons such as targeting shooting is fun, or my personal favourite reason to own a gun ducks are really delicious. We don't buy them so we can live out the fantasy of overthrowing out democratically elected government and killing everyone who stands in our way of putting in the type of government we'd rather have instead.

The 2nd Amendment solution crowd aren't a threat to the government of the United States, they haven't been since the invention of the bomber. No matter how much they draw a line in the sand and say "if the government crosses that line then I'm going to raise my army and start killing people" they will always move that line back another inch when nobody is looking. An actual armed revolt is bloody, horrible, messy, and those people who fantasize about being the next George Washington are probably going to be cut down in the first 20 minutes of a real fire fight. They've got a full belly, a nice TV, and 100 channels on box to keep them happy and they can always go on YouTube to vent a little steam now and then.

Unfortunately, every now and then an over stressed, delusional person with his 2nd Amendment Solution stockpile will snap under the weight of his own impotence to affect any real change in the world around him. This is where the culture of guns equal power turns deadly. This is when they decide to show the world what power they really have. Their power will be felt forever in the tears of grieving loved ones. Their power will be felt by ever child who is afraid to go to school. Their power will be felt in ever co-worker who fears returning to the job. The 24 hour news channels will gorge themselves on their glorious power. So they take their gun and they execute their 2nd Amendment right to grab a gun and kill everyone who does things they don't want being done.

This is why mass shootings happen. As a nation the United States has created a culture that glorifies the concept of a brave individual standing up against what they perceive to be tyranny and unleashing hell fire upon them until everyone they view as a tyrant lays dead on the ground or their gun is taken from their cold dead hand.

Guns and violence are the religion of the United States.


I know I'm not your type but I'd wife you right now. I have never found the words to express what you said. The closest I've come is that Americans always seem so afraid. It's a culture of fear. You are far more eloquent.
 
2013-02-02 03:22:52 PM

BronyMedic: Gyrfalcon: Now if any of those victims had been armed with a gun, the stabber would be dead now. And clearly that would be better. For some reason.

Let's be realistic here. If someone runs at me with a knife, I have no problem putting several 165 grain JHP .40 slugs in their chest. I'm pretty sure that the last time that someone did that, I didn't feel bad for cracking them in the face with an oxygen tank.


It might have been kinder to have just shot them at that point.

I dropped one of those on my toe once.
Ow.
 
2013-02-02 03:56:40 PM

gja: I drunk what: duckpoopy: Obsession with "collecting" owning guns is a mental illness. Track these people and lock them up.

and who owns the most guns? that's right

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these "adults" actually believe in angels ;D

this is what we refer to (in the clinical medical field) as "completely retarded" and yet here we are actually debating on whether or not they should be allowed to own guns?!?

is this the stone ages?

This world needs some progress.

For Evolution!

I hope you are jesting. If not go sit in a corner while us grownups have a discussion.
I am Christian. I don't suffer from any of the delusions of which you speak.
Stop generalizing and lumping all Christians of any variance together. It is offensive and smacks of ignorance.


do you believe angels are real?
 
2013-02-02 04:45:54 PM
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2013-02-02 05:27:42 PM

ReluctantPaladin: Actually pronvincial regulations do play some part in it. The purchase of a handgun or other restricted firearm is indeed regulated at the federal level, however the transport of said weapon, typically falls to the provinces and their Chief Firearms Officer. In order to tranport my pistol anywhere off my property I need an Authorization To Transport. The standards for a ATT DO vary from province to province.


In Quebec you need to take a course in that law and pass a test before you can get a permit.

http://www.fqtir.qc.ca/en/bill9training.php
 
2013-02-02 07:49:41 PM

Fail in Human Form: Gyrfalcon: Now if any of those victims had been armed with a gun, the stabber would be dead now. And clearly that would be better. For some reason.

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How is it that you're not sure, when he concluded with, "For some reason."? That is a common rhetorical device. It indicates 1) that he doesn't think that is a preferable result, and 2) that he is perplexed by the opinion of those who would think it is.

/It's an odd thing to explain... but now you know how that phrase is used.
 
2013-02-02 10:38:04 PM
doglover:There's a reason the "coup de grace" was invented.

So you'd have a way of killing Trolls in D&D if you didn't have fire or acid?

Seriously, get a high crit weapon like a scythe or a greataxe and full power attack, they're not getting up.
 
2013-02-02 11:01:20 PM

ReluctantPaladin: rattchett: BronyMedic: edmo: Good point subs.  No gun deaths in that article.

I'm pretty sure you can own a Firearm in Canada, it's just highly regulated depending on what province you're in.

Province is irrelevant. The level of regulation is dependant on the the type of firearms. Handguns are highly regulated.


Actually pronvincial regulations do play some part in it.  The purchase of a handgun or other restricted firearm is indeed regulated at the federal level, however the transport of said weapon, typically falls to the provinces and their Chief Firearms Officer.  In order to tranport my pistol anywhere off my property I need an Authorization To Transport.  The standards for a ATT DO vary from province to province.  In Saskatchewan (and I think Alberta is the same), once I have received my ATT I'm authorized to move my pistol from my house, to any registered firing range, gunsmith, or dealer/buyer, in the province, at any time.  In other province I had heard that the restrictions are much tougher, as in every time you go to the range you need to request an ATT that states where you are going, when, and when you will be returning.  To me that's way too much regulation and hassle. (Note, during my transport my pistol has to be rendered inoperable, unloaded, locked ina secure case, and in the trunk.

Marine1:

The impounding of cars for speeding is another thing. I realize it's an Ontario thing and not necessarily true across the whole of Canada, but it's sort of an overreaction to speeding. It's amusing when you see a driver with Ontario plates here in central Missouri (it happens every once in a while), because they are almost always going well over the 70 MPH speed limit. If Canada didn't have these sorts of regulations and just had the socialized medicine... I don't think Americans would have as much objection to it.

I think that this just for cars who are exceededing the speed limit by an excessive amount, ie. more than 40kph (25mph).  It's basically an excuse to clammp down on street racers, don't know if it gets abused for other things.  I too wish we could have juicier burgers...I feel your pain.


Ghastly:

Now some people will be quick to blame violent video games or violent movies as the reason why the United States has so much gun violence compared to nations like Canada. However, we Canadians love our violent video games just as much as our American cousins. We enjoy a good gory shoot 'em up as much as they do south of the border. We consume the exact same cultural artefacts as our American counterparts and we also love our guns too. But we don't have anywhere near the level of gun violence and mass shooting are almost unheard of. The reason is because we don't have the cultural belief that guns equal power. We buy guns for reasons such as targeting shooting is fun, or my personal favourite reason to own a gun ducks are really delicious. We don't buy them so we can live out the fantasy of overthrowing out democratically elected government and killing everyone who stands in our way of putting in the type of government we'd rather have instead.

And Yet the Czech Republic has much more liberal gun laws than Canada, still stricter than the states, and their rate of gun deaths is almost half of Canada's.  Frankly I wish our gun laws more closer to Czech Republics than what we have here currently.  Unfortunately the only party that is likely to loosen them is the Conservative, who I otherwise hate.

Anyways...

bottom line, I'd rather be shot than stabbed.


My ATT for transport of my pistols is good for all ranges in my province. I live in eastern Canada.
 
2013-02-02 11:40:34 PM

omeganuepsilon: BronyMedic: Very few people have the capability, knowledge, or skills in the United States - let alone the capital, to fashion an Automatic or Semi-Automatic weapon from scrap metal. It takes thousands of dollars alone of equipment to even bore a barrel from bar stock.

Citation needed.


Tell that to Wallace Gusler.

/Couldn't resist/
 
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