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2013-02-02 01:56:19 AM
6 votes:
The next time Texas whines about not getting a Space Shuttle, remind them that they got the Columbia.
2013-02-02 12:32:41 AM
6 votes:
I say, let 'em crash.
2013-02-02 12:32:33 AM
6 votes:
They bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting into.
2013-02-02 12:52:41 AM
5 votes:
pbfcomics.com
2013-02-02 12:24:32 AM
4 votes:

Amos Quito: I would just like a warning so I can come to terms about pleasing my wife.


Please her anyway.

Why take chances?


Why start now?
2013-02-01 11:59:02 PM
4 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Amos Quito: Yeah, that's sad, but I suppose that sometimes ignorance is bliss - comparitively.

Apparently their fate was sealed, and nothing could have been done to change the probable outcome. Why make them live their last few hours freaking out?

So given their decision in this case, do you suppose NASA would bother to tell us if they spotted a huge, dark space rock on a collision course for Earth, or just let it be a "surprise"?

I'd rather read about it first on Fark.


Meh. That'd just be a half dozen or so Farkers trying to blame the asteroid on Obama.
2013-02-02 02:01:09 AM
3 votes:

mr lawson: The might have been able to disassemble the thrusters from the shuttle, go outside, point them in the opposite direction they were going, light'em up and hang on for dear life. free fall to earth.


i46.tinypic.com
2013-02-02 01:50:03 AM
2 votes:

MissFeasance: rickythepenguin: According to the on-board videotape recovered in the debris,Mission Control asked Clark just before her death to perform some small task. She replied that she was currently occupied but would get to it in a minute. "Don't worry about it," she was told. "You have all the time in the world. "


YEEEEEEEEEEEEESH.

I can't even.


I know, right? All that fancy NASA technology and they were still recording video on tape!
2013-02-02 01:29:43 AM
2 votes:
They could have docked with Skylab and then rendezvoused with Hubble. It would have bought them the time to disarm the nuke.
2013-02-02 01:10:24 AM
2 votes:

EngineerAU: Sure, if true, NASA couldn't save the astronauts so why inform them. Well there's a good reason... to not have flaming debris rain down over a populated area. Luckily no one on the ground was killed but it certainly was a possibility. If the shuttle had to come back in, it would be better to let them break up over the Pacific. It'd make recovery of the debris much more difficult but would eliminate most of the possibility of someone elementary school getting creamed by a flaming toilet seat.




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aw shiat
2013-02-02 12:50:56 AM
2 votes:
Why hasn't anyone brought up the idea of docking the shuttle with the ISS? Nobody?
2013-02-02 12:08:00 AM
2 votes:
best/worst surprise party ever.
2013-02-01 10:53:15 PM
2 votes:

Amos Quito: Yeah, that's sad, but I suppose that sometimes ignorance is bliss - comparitively.

Apparently their fate was sealed, and nothing could have been done to change the probable outcome. Why make them live their last few hours freaking out?

So given their decision in this case, do you suppose NASA would bother to tell us if they spotted a huge, dark space rock on a collision course for Earth, or just let it be a "surprise"?



I'd rather read about it first on Fark.
2013-02-03 03:52:46 PM
1 votes:

Mock26: But, he said that there were thousands of web pages saying it was true!  If it is on the internet it must be true, right?  I wonder if he believes the moon landings were fake?  After all, there are thousands of web pages saying it was fake!



OMG! And THEY'RE written by "experts," too!
2013-02-03 03:21:36 PM
1 votes:

common sense is an oxymoron: nero_design: Columbia was UNDOUBTEDLY destroyed by a bolt of what is know called "Megalightning" during re-entry.  This event was even captured on video and by photographers during the re-entry phase.  NASA attempted to debunk this possibility although many NASA scientists have since recanted and have even released further evidence to show that they now support this theory for the event.  At the time, this for of lightning was poorly understood but has since been captured by the ISS.  It's a strange turn of events because Columbia's mission was to study "Sprites"... which are in fact related to Megalightning.  How's that for a turn of events?  Even the AUDIO of the stike was recorded by other scientists attempting to capture sound from Megalightning at the precise moment that Columbia was hit, proving wrong NASA's original decree that camera-blur might be the cause of the lightning strike that showed up on the pictures (one of which I have linked below). The camera was on a tripod so there was no blur.  Reminds me of the FBI claiming Flight 800 blew up due to a problem with the fuel pumps, even though law enforcement gave written testimony of a "flare-like rocket launching from the surface of the ocean to rise up and strike the aircraft, triggering an explosion".   I don't understand America's need to alter eyewitness testimony when major events are involved.  Perhaps someone can explain it to me.

[www.holoscience.com image 398x299]
An image (above) showing visible "etching" from the powerful lightning strike on the heat shield of Columbia after the crash.  This is how we know for certain that the bolt eventually struck the shuttle.  It was witnessed and even captured on camera.

There are THOUSANDS of webpages, many from recognized scientific groups, which detail the events leading to the destruction of the Space Shuttle Columbia from this event and at the time, NASA refused to even consider that such lightning could occur without matching weather conditions (now debunked).

h ...


This is, to put it as politely as possible, an urban legend.

There was no lightning strike, mega or otherwise. There were no thunderstorms along the re-entry track. The "lightning" in the image was caused by the camera moving when the button was pushed to begin the time exposure.

As for your link...um. Even if there had been a coronal mass ejection from the sun reaching the earth during shuttle re-entry, such an event does NOT cause a "shock wave" in the atmosphere, since a CME a) is not a sharply defined wavefront and b) is far less dense than the earth's atmosphere, even at LEO. The increased drag on orbiting objects occurs gradually as the energy from the CME heats the uppermost atmosphere. The charged particles in the CME do energize the Van Allen belts, but these are at a much higher altitude than the shuttle, and this energy is then channeled along magnetic field lines to the earth's magnetic poles, which are nowhere near the shuttle's re-entry track.

I'll trust the CAIB report over some self-proclaimed "experts," tyvm.



But, he said that there were thousands of web pages saying it was true!  If it is on the internet it must be true, right?  I wonder if he believes the moon landings were fake?  After all, there are thousands of web pages saying it was fake!
2013-02-03 03:12:37 PM
1 votes:

acefox1: remote viewing psychics and reverse-vampires.



When it comes to remote viewing reverse vampire psychics, DNT.

That is all.
2013-02-03 12:49:09 AM
1 votes:
Columbia was UNDOUBTEDLY destroyed by a bolt of what is know called "Megalightning" during re-entry.  This event was even captured on video and by photographers during the re-entry phase.  NASA attempted to debunk this possibility although many NASA scientists have since recanted and have even released further evidence to show that they now support this theory for the event.  At the time, this for of lightning was poorly understood but has since been captured by the ISS.  It's a strange turn of events because Columbia's mission was to study "Sprites"... which are in fact related to Megalightning.  How's that for a turn of events?  Even the AUDIO of the stike was recorded by other scientists attempting to capture sound from Megalightning at the precise moment that Columbia was hit, proving wrong NASA's original decree that camera-blur might be the cause of the lightning strike that showed up on the pictures (one of which I have linked below). The camera was on a tripod so there was no blur.  Reminds me of the FBI claiming Flight 800 blew up due to a problem with the fuel pumps, even though law enforcement gave written testimony of a "flare-like rocket launching from the surface of the ocean to rise up and strike the aircraft, triggering an explosion".   I don't understand America's need to alter eyewitness testimony when major events are involved.  Perhaps someone can explain it to me.

www.holoscience.com
An image (above) showing visible "etching" from the powerful lightning strike on the heat shield of Columbia after the crash.  This is how we know for certain that the bolt eventually struck the shuttle.  It was witnessed and even captured on camera.

There are THOUSANDS of webpages, many from recognized scientific groups, which detail the events leading to the destruction of the Space Shuttle Columbia from this event and at the time, NASA refused to even consider that such lightning could occur without matching weather conditions (now debunked).

http://www.columbiadisaster.info/index.html#that_photo

www.holoscience.com

www.columbiadisaster.info

The image aboe shows Megalighning drawn to and then striking the ion-plasma contrail from the Shuttle (the grey streak) as it enters the atmosphere.  The breakup and destruction of the shuttle took place and the precise moment of contact from the Megalightning strike.  Note how the plasma streak brightens where the Megalightning enters the contrail and follows it along to make contact with the shuttle.  There's a very interesting documentary on this event which can be viewed on YouTube.

I'm personally very surprised that out of all the posts in this thread, this hasn't even been mentioned because it's now considered to be the most likely cause of the Columbia's demise.  Even many prominent and respect NASA physicists agree  (you'll find their quotes in the various links).  For a LOT MORE on this subject, take a look at the bottom of the link below.

http://www.superforce.com/shuttle/index.htm
2013-02-02 03:47:54 PM
1 votes:
Everyone knew. I did.

"Sir, the heat shield is damaged, part fell off."

"Oh, what do they need that for?"

"Re-entery sir"

"Oh, well they probably don't really need it, tell em to come back in anyhow."

"Sir?"
2013-02-02 04:13:17 AM
1 votes:

parahaps: g4lt: Hurrrrrrrrrrr

CAIB determined that a rescue mission was possible.
CAIB determined that a rescue mission was possible.
CAIB determined that a rescue mission was possible.
CAIB determined that a rescue mission was possible.

dl.dropbox.com
2013-02-02 03:26:01 AM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: The next time Texas whines about not getting a Space Shuttle, remind them that they got the Columbia.


Oh for farks sake don't make me laugh at something like that.
2013-02-02 02:06:23 AM
1 votes:
www.feoamante.com
Shoulda been standard issue...
2013-02-02 01:51:20 AM
1 votes:

EngineerAU: Loucifer: They could have docked with Skylab and then rendezvoused with Hubble. It would have bought them the time to disarm the nuke.

Don't be silly. They should have docked with  Daedalus and then landed in White Plains, NY.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
2013-02-02 01:50:45 AM
1 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I say, let 'em crash.


i.ytimg.com

...beat me to it.
2013-02-02 01:32:58 AM
1 votes:
Alien dry humping the Hubble that is.  Jeez.
2013-02-02 01:23:25 AM
1 votes:

costermonger: That'd still be weight they didn't want to add to the design, and unless you can somehow eject it to clear the tumbling wreckage


I get that the weight would be a shiatload of added cost, but I'm not even talking about something out of like, Fifth Element where they all jet away.  Just a pod that can take the crew and just enough power to avoid landing in like,  Tokyo or something.  

rickythepenguin: Quit using my tax money for rescue the government, Teabagmittermisstress.

*spends all of rickys money all willy nilly on bags and mascara*
2013-02-02 01:20:19 AM
1 votes:

gadian: Hmm...break apart on reentry or suffocate.  Break apart on reentry or suffocate. Firey ball of doom or gasping and purple while that other asshole over there farts in the last bit of air and goes out  laughing.  That really would be a hard one, but I think I'd go with the break apart too.


That just made me think, when astronauts fart in space do they go flying across the space station from the thrust they just produced?
2013-02-02 01:18:50 AM
1 votes:

MissFeasance: Yeah, but if it was a pod sort of thing with the same exterior protection, just... smaller, and that had been protected inside the larger craft?  I'm not saying "hey, jump out with your parachute"


Like a double-hull dealy? Module within the shuttle? That'd still be weight they didn't want to add to the design, and unless you can somehow eject it to clear the tumbling wreckage, it probably doesn't save you from all the g-forces and such associated with in-flight breakup at those kinds of speeds. Even if it could maintain a livable atmosphere.
2013-02-02 01:18:10 AM
1 votes:

MissFeasance: till crazy expensive, yeah, but why is there no bailout procedure?



Quit using my tax money for rescue the government, Teabagmittermisstress.
2013-02-02 01:13:15 AM
1 votes:
There should've been some way to jettison some weight so they could've made a rendezvous with the ISS: Empty the cargo bay, dump the cargo bay doors, flush the sewage tank, something.
2013-02-02 01:00:53 AM
1 votes:

EngineerAU: Sure, if true, NASA couldn't save the astronauts so why inform them. Well there's a good reason... to not have flaming debris rain down over a populated area. Luckily no one on the ground was killed but it certainly was a possibility. If the shuttle had to come back in, it would be better to let them break up over the Pacific. It'd make recovery of the debris much more difficult but would eliminate most of the possibility of someone elementary school getting creamed by a flaming toilet seat.


That would certainly be an interesting call to make. "Hey guys, try to steer your badly damaged craft over the water so you don't explode over people. Thanks a bunch. Byeeee."
2013-02-02 12:53:59 AM
1 votes:
Sure, if true, NASA couldn't save the astronauts so why inform them. Well there's a good reason... to not have flaming debris rain down over a populated area. Luckily no one on the ground was killed but it certainly was a possibility. If the shuttle had to come back in, it would be better to let them break up over the Pacific. It'd make recovery of the debris much more difficult but would eliminate most of the possibility of someone elementary school getting creamed by a flaming toilet seat.
2013-02-02 12:52:15 AM
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: zekeburger: Couldn't the shuttle dock at the ISS?

IIRC the trajectory was wrong and there wasn't enough fuel to do anything even if they knew for sure that it wasn't going to make it. In addition there wasn't a shuttle that could be made ready soon enough to go get them without seriously risking both crews. That's why they always had a backup ready before the launches after the Columbia crash and one of the reasons why the costs went so high afterwards which ultimately led to the program being canceled before its replacement was even close to being ready.


I knew I should have read the entire thread before making my above post.

Now, with that being said, NASA should start launching some "satellites" that contain oxygen tanks and food and some maneuvering jets and these should be put up into an orbit close to that which the shuttles usually take.  Start seeding these now and then in the future if there is ever a situation similar to this then we can at least keep whatever crew on whatever vehicle alive until we can get them down.  Or, maybe even put up some re-entry "pods" for use in emergencies.
2013-02-02 12:42:54 AM
1 votes:

zekeburger: Couldn't the shuttle dock at the ISS?


I guess I should read other comments before posting, eh?
2013-02-02 12:34:46 AM
1 votes:
Do we know that the damage to the wing caused the explosion on re-entry? Where was Secretary Clinton at the time? Taxbongo?

/worst tragedy since 9/11, and I really mean that
2013-02-02 12:26:11 AM
1 votes:

davidphogan: Imagine that. A headline that's a sensational loaf of crap on Fark.


At least this time they didn't use, "Smoking-Hot" in the headline.
2013-02-02 12:06:07 AM
1 votes:
The story's been update (+ read the Weeners). NASA did not know that Columbia would break up (or that it had been seriously damaged).
2013-02-01 09:45:44 PM
1 votes:

AlwaysRightBoy: Amos Quito: Yeah, that's sad, but I suppose that sometimes ignorance is bliss - comparitively.

Apparently their fate was sealed, and nothing could have been done to change the probable outcome. Why make them live their last few hours freaking out?

So given their decision in this case, do you suppose NASA would bother to tell us if they spotted a huge, dark space rock on a collision course for Earth, or just let it be a "surprise"?


/Eat, drink, Fark and be merry, folks

I would just like a warning so I can come to terms about pleasing my wife.



Please her anyway.

Why take chances?


;-)
2013-02-01 09:00:37 PM
1 votes:
Yeah, that's sad, but I suppose that sometimes ignorance is bliss - comparitively.

Apparently their fate was sealed, and nothing could have been done to change the probable outcome. Why make them live their last few hours freaking out?

So given their decision in this case, do you suppose NASA would bother to tell us if they spotted a huge, dark space rock on a collision course for Earth, or just let it be a "surprise"?


/Eat, drink, Fark and be merry, folks
 
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