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2013-02-01 10:15:17 PM
I bet those guys can really move some Trail's End
 
2013-02-01 10:15:31 PM

jaybeezey: Do gays even like carving race cars out of blocks of wood?


Yeah, but they usually carve Miatas. unless they are girls, in which case it's Subarus.
 
2013-02-01 10:16:05 PM

cptjeff: coeyagi: No, I don't ask the question. But I don't judge those who do. But again, you're framing this argument from the standpoint that my council is the aberration. It is not. Just google it.

I did make that presumption, but it's ancillary to the argument. One can be morally bankrupt and also be in the majority.

Also, your sample is rather biased. People are going to scream about it when something does happen, but you won't hear anything when something doesn't happen. When things go as planned, they don't make the news. You might have half a million eagle boards and they only ask they question in 10, but you won't hear about the 499,990, you'll hear about the 10.

So yes, you may find other examples, but without any information on how often it occurs as a percentage of overall eagle boards, the number is utterly meaningless. A .1% incident rate would still give you a bunch of anecdotes to draw from, it's a big country and a big organization.


And you would have the same problem, my friend, of anecdotal evidence.
 
2013-02-01 10:17:38 PM
National Council has spouted shiat forever (ya'll quit masturbating, you hear!!).  Local Councils rule and, Scoutmasters (volunteers) of troops that make up the local councils have to rely on volunteer parents. If the only parents that are always available for hikes/camp-outs are stone cold atheists?  99% of the time?  `Glad to have you, along!'  (sure, the occasional bible beater SM might be saying, under breath, `you'll be wishing you had something to pray to when that ice storm hits at 03:00 Saturday morning).

/building towers/bridges/portaging canoes through the back-of-beyond - excellent org
//drinking any particular brand of kool aide?  there were a few `true believers'  the rest of us were cynics
 
2013-02-01 10:18:17 PM

xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.


Because gays are far better at pissing and moaning when the rest of the country isn't coddling them.
 
2013-02-01 10:26:48 PM

madgonad: In the American social order, the only thing lower than atheists are pedophiles.
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That makes sense since most atheists are pedophiles too.
 
2013-02-01 10:30:28 PM

EvilEgg: They only really ask that you fake it.


In their defense, it's also all that real religions ask, so they aren't really lowering the bar.
 
2013-02-01 10:36:35 PM
 It will be OK if the Scout Leader say's a few "Hail Mary's" with the kid, then lubes him up and jabs it in your sons a**.
 
2013-02-01 10:39:19 PM

neppyman: coolschool_dropout:
You had a bad experience.  It does not make you an expert on BSA cult issues.  OA is not a cult.  It's an extension of the BSA that affords some kids to take what the BSA offers to a different level.  Not everyone digs it.  Some take it for everything it's worth.  Yes, the BSA is, in concept, a good organization that allows kids to do things that most only dream of.  The OA is an extension of that.  Your bad experience only proves that your local lodge sucks, nothing more.  Just like everything else, it is what you make/allow it to be.

I'm really not sure where you get that I had a "bad experience from", because I honestly loved my time in the Scouts. I was being a little silly about the OA, because the initiation is, honestly, a bit silly (is this where I claim Poe's Law?).  I never did much with the OA lodge because I didn't have the time, not because they were bad - my own troop activities, plus high school sports, kept me plenty busy.

I also had the distinct pleasure of working at Philmont for two summers ('99 and '00) while I was in college.

I (like many other Scouts in this thread) have been saddened at the direction that the "management" has taken lately.  But I have very fond memories of my own experiences, and hope that I can find a troop for my own children that pushes aside bigotry and prejudice and focuses on the core of what it means to actually be a Scout.


I said you "had a bad experience" because you stated the OA is  "cult" and perhaps my assumption was false.  I do not think the OA is a cult.  I also had many experiences that were positive.  Congrats on the Philmont staff( I went in 1988).  I gave up the chance at Philmont staff and instead worked Summer Camp staff at 2 camps for 9 seasons.  Tilt of my hat to you and apologies to any offending assumptions.
I am also saddened at the BSA's policy.  But as disapproving as I am with their policies, I still believe their program offers many positives for kids who choose to take the opportunities.  It's not perfect, but it's better than most.  If I had a kid, I'd put him through it, if he chose that path.
I don't think the policy change will actually make that much difference on the "real world" level, but one can hope, right?
 
2013-02-01 10:39:51 PM

TerminalEchoes: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Because gays are far better at pissing and moaning when the rest of the country isn't coddling them.


Yeah, but they look fabulous doing it.

/dirty heathen atheist
 
2013-02-01 10:41:50 PM

TheRealist II: Just another group of individuals who just want to move on in and hijack someone elses  else'sgroup due to being to too lazy and incompetent to create a group of theretheir own.


If you're not willing to write English, why don't you go back where you came from?
 
2013-02-01 10:42:08 PM

TerminalEchoes: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Because gays are far better at pissing and moaning when the rest of the country isn't coddling them.


Because treating them as human beings and American citizens = "coddling" them. Did you also get annoyed at those uppity negroes and women wanting to be treated equally?
 
2013-02-01 10:45:46 PM
Is atheism correlated to any weird crimes or mental illnesses?
Always seems to be the fundamentalists who have issues.
 
2013-02-01 10:45:51 PM
It won't be long until people into pedophilia and bestiality will be asking for rights.

I'm just gonna walk away when someone says, "What's wrong with somebody choosing to marry their dog?" or "Why should he (50 year old man) not have his right to marry a 12 year old girl he loves?"
 
2013-02-01 10:47:43 PM
coolschool_dropout:
I said you "had a bad experience" because you stated the OA is  "cult" and perhaps my assumption was false.  I do not think the OA is a cult.  I also had many experiences that were positive.  Congrats on the Philmont staff( I went in 1988).  I gave up the chance at Philmont staff and instead worked Summer Camp staff at 2 camps for 9 seasons.  Tilt of my hat to you and apologies to any offending assumptions.
I am also saddened at the BSA's policy.  But as disapproving as I am with their policies, I still believe their program offers many positives for kids who
 choose to take the opportunities.  It's not perfect, but it's better than most.  If I had a kid, I'd put him through it, if he chose that path.
I don't think the policy change will actually make that much difference on the "real world" level, but one can hope, right?


The OA ceremonies certainly do give it an air of mystery, but no, it's not really a "cult" in the dictionary sense of the word.

And no worries; it's very difficult to properly convey sarcasm and humor in a text media.

I think what a lot of people who haven't been involved in the BSA fail to realize (but thankfully, this thread is demonstrating it quite clearly) is that the rank-and-file members just don't care about things like whether or not somebody is an atheist or gay.  There are some troops (primarily in the Bible Belt) that do, but most of them are more concerned about improving the moral fiber and life skills of their members than worrying whether or not that member meets the criteria of orthodoxy dictated from the higher ups - many of whom were never Boy Scouts themselves, to begin with.

I would like to see the organization embrace this change at a national level, but I'll settle (for now) from working from within and finding a troop that doesn't care, individually.
 
2013-02-01 10:48:48 PM
one more time: What's stopping you people from forming Gays and Lesbian Scouts of America? sad truth in boy Boy and girl Scouts is there are damn few parents & guardians that want to get involved with their children's activities. Start your own thing, don't wait for some folks you don't even care for to ask you to join their reindeer games, you idiots.
 
2013-02-01 10:50:32 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: A Scout is:

Trustworthy,Loyal,Helpful,Friendly,Courteous,Kind,Obedient,Cheerful, Thrifty,Brave,Clean,and Reverent. I never could get more than 11 out of 12


I added a little bit to the reverent part when I was scout under my breath...."reverent towards nature"
 
2013-02-01 10:52:17 PM

netgamer7k: It won't be long until people into pedophilia and bestiality will be asking for rights.

I'm just gonna walk away when someone says, "What's wrong with somebody choosing to marry their dog?" or "Why should he (50 year old man) not have his right to marry a 12 year old girl he loves?"


Ah, the slippery slope fallacy. How droll.

KrispyKritter: one more time: What's stopping you people from forming Gays and Lesbian Scouts of America? sad truth in boy Boy and girl Scouts is there are damn few parents & guardians that want to get involved with their children's activities. Start your own thing, don't wait for some folks you don't even care for to ask you to join their reindeer games, you idiots.


Ah, separate but equal. How droll.
 
2013-02-01 10:52:18 PM

netgamer7k: "Why should he (50 year old man) not have his right to marry a 12 year old girl he loves?"


Welcome to Islam
 
2013-02-01 11:15:35 PM

Lionel Mandrake: fusillade762: Boy scouting is a religion.

Don't be silly.  AA is a religion.  Amway is a religion.  Freemasonry is a religion.

The Boy Scouts are a cult.  Like $cientology.


If you dont believe this, and you were in scouts, you probably need to find a shrink and get yourself deprogrammed.

/ horrible, HORRIBLE experiences..
// No not that, you perverts.
 
2013-02-01 11:20:54 PM
This just in: most atheists can fake religion better than the religious can practice it.
 
2013-02-01 11:21:28 PM

I sound fat: Lionel Mandrake: fusillade762: Boy scouting is a religion.

Don't be silly.  AA is a religion.  Amway is a religion.  Freemasonry is a religion.

The Boy Scouts are a cult.  Like $cientology.

If you dont believe this, and you were in scouts, you probably need to find a shrink and get yourself deprogrammed.

/ horrible, HORRIBLE experiences..
// No not that, you perverts.


^^^^^^ If you don't take my anecdotal evidence as proof of all experiences, you probably need to find a shrink and get yourself deprogrammed.
 
2013-02-01 11:23:39 PM

fifthhorseman: This just in: most atheists can fake religion better than the religious can practice it.


I see that, and raise you "This just in: our country is not as religious as some would have you believe it is. AKA Is it worth fighting your parents two hours a week about one hour a week of utter boredom?"
 
2013-02-01 11:24:19 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Because gays are far better at pissing and moaning when the rest of the country isn't coddling them.

Because treating them as human beings and American citizens = "coddling" them. Did you also get annoyed at those uppity negroes and women wanting to be treated equally?


Uh, no. But nice try. I'm talking about X person saying "homosexuality is against my beliefs" and the gay community morphs that into "X person hates gay people and wants to see them slaughtered," then they proceed to demonstrate and riot until their butthurt little hinies get kissed and powdered.
 
2013-02-01 11:27:52 PM

FloydA: WTF Indeed: fusillade762: Boy scouting is a religion.

No it's not. Don't be an ass.

Being an ass is a religion.


Failing to grasp obvious sarcasm is... ahh, the hell with it.
 
2013-02-01 11:30:21 PM

jaybeezey: Do gays even like carving race cars out of blocks of wood?


I think they'd probably make end tables.
 
2013-02-01 11:31:08 PM
no Irish?

/late, damn it
 
2013-02-01 11:35:13 PM

TerminalEchoes: Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Because gays are far better at pissing and moaning when the rest of the country isn't coddling them.

Because treating them as human beings and American citizens = "coddling" them. Did you also get annoyed at those uppity negroes and women wanting to be treated equally?

Uh, no. But nice try. I'm talking about X person saying "homosexuality is against my beliefs" and the gay community morphs that into "X person hates gay people and wants to see them slaughtered," then they proceed to demonstrate and riot until their butthurt little hinies get kissed and powdered.


I've yet to see any gay riots. I've seen many gays discriminated against, tormented, and murdered, though. Sorry that it annoys you that they're a bit upset over that, along with the decades of being treated as sub-human third-class citizens for the sole reason of loving people with the same gonads. Maybe if we stop doing that, they'll stop making you shiat your pants in annoyance over their wanting to not be demonized and hated for who they love.
 
2013-02-01 11:35:17 PM

neppyman: coolschool_dropout:
I said you "had a bad experience" because you stated the OA is  "cult" and perhaps my assumption was false.  I do not think the OA is a cult.  I also had many experiences that were positive.  Congrats on the Philmont staff( I went in 1988).  I gave up the chance at Philmont staff and instead worked Summer Camp staff at 2 camps for 9 seasons.  Tilt of my hat to you and apologies to any offending assumptions.
I am also saddened at the BSA's policy.  But as disapproving as I am with their policies, I still believe their program offers many positives for kids who choose to take the opportunities.  It's not perfect, but it's better than most.  If I had a kid, I'd put him through it, if he chose that path.
I don't think the policy change will actually make that much difference on the "real world" level, but one can hope, right?

The OA ceremonies certainly do give it an air of mystery, but no, it's not really a "cult" in the dictionary sense of the word.

And no worries; it's very difficult to properly convey sarcasm and humor in a text media.

I think what a lot of people who haven't been involved in the BSA fail to realize (but thankfully, this thread is demonstrating it quite clearly) is that the rank-and-file members just don't care about things like whether or not somebody is an atheist or gay.  There are some troops (primarily in the Bible Belt) that do, but most of them are more concerned about improving the moral fiber and life skills of their members than worrying whether or not that member meets the criteria of orthodoxy dictated from the higher ups - many of whom were never Boy Scouts themselves, to begin with.

I would like to see the organization embrace this change at a national level, but I'll settle (for now) from working from within and finding a troop that doesn't care, individually.


I can dig it.  I would enjoy getting involved again on some level too.   But living in NC, it may be hard to find/create a unit with such inclusive compassion.  I have been disappointed by posts of old-school friends opposing the proposed policy change.  This is most disappointing, but not unexpected nor surprising.  I live in NC- the crossroads of Southern "traditional" ignorance and "tasteful" Northern influence.  Some thought patterns die hard.  The nicest people can turn out to be the most ignorant/hateful.   It's most perplexing.
 
2013-02-01 11:37:08 PM

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There's you answer right there.


WANT!
 
2013-02-01 11:46:12 PM

coolschool_dropout: neppyman: coolschool_dropout:
I said you "had a bad experience" because you stated the OA is  "cult" and perhaps my assumption was false.  I do not think the OA is a cult.  I also had many experiences that were positive.  Congrats on the Philmont staff( I went in 1988).  I gave up the chance at Philmont staff and instead worked Summer Camp staff at 2 camps for 9 seasons.  Tilt of my hat to you and apologies to any offending assumptions.
I am also saddened at the BSA's policy.  But as disapproving as I am with their policies, I still believe their program offers many positives for kids who choose to take the opportunities.  It's not perfect, but it's better than most.  If I had a kid, I'd put him through it, if he chose that path.
I don't think the policy change will actually make that much difference on the "real world" level, but one can hope, right?

The OA ceremonies certainly do give it an air of mystery, but no, it's not really a "cult" in the dictionary sense of the word.

And no worries; it's very difficult to properly convey sarcasm and humor in a text media.

I think what a lot of people who haven't been involved in the BSA fail to realize (but thankfully, this thread is demonstrating it quite clearly) is that the rank-and-file members just don't care about things like whether or not somebody is an atheist or gay.  There are some troops (primarily in the Bible Belt) that do, but most of them are more concerned about improving the moral fiber and life skills of their members than worrying whether or not that member meets the criteria of orthodoxy dictated from the higher ups - many of whom were never Boy Scouts themselves, to begin with.

I would like to see the organization embrace this change at a national level, but I'll settle (for now) from working from within and finding a troop that doesn't care, individually.

I can dig it.  I would enjoy getting involved again on some level too.   But living in NC, it may be hard to find/create a unit with such incl ...


You shouldn't have too hard a time at any of the larger cities in NC. For that matter, there are a couple retired hippie encampments (Carrboro/Chapel Hill, Asheville) where you should have a pretty easy time.
 
2013-02-02 12:01:19 AM
The very first commandment is, "You shall have no other gods before me."  Yet, the Boy Scouts of America allow Hindus to join and to hold positions of leadership.  Seems that the Boy Scouts, like many so-called christians, are fond of picking and choosing those parts of the bible that are convenient to their agenda and ignore those parts that are inconvenient.
 
2013-02-02 12:02:50 AM

Rreal: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

to be precise, Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't specifically about homosexuality but wickedness in general and being rude to guests in specific.   If you read the story,Lot tried to placate the crowd by offering to let them bone the shiat out of his daughters but they refused.

Still not about rape, and, yeah, Lot's a bit of a chode here too,


They refused and demanded he send out his male guests.

But Sodom and Gomorrah was about "every kind of wickedness" IIRC, not specifically homosexuality.  It is about judgment for impenitent sin--as in, when one continually engages in behavior that they know to be wrong despite having had many opportunities to change the behavior.

Here's the specific quote:

Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. 2And he said, "Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant's house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way."
And they said, "No, but we will spend the night in the open square."
3But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.
4Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5And they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally."
6So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, 7and said, "Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! 8See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof."
9And they said, "Stand back!" Then they said, "This one came in to stay here, and he keeps acting as a judge; now we will deal worse with you than with them.

Lot repeatedly warned the Sodomites regarding their behavior--which was not limited to sexual relations with other men in this single instance, but which some sources say included bestiality and other depravities far beyond mere homosexuality. Reading chapter 18, you see that the reference is that the "sin is very grave" and that the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah (and the two other cities destroyed of the 5 city metropolis area) was "very great." This is not a term generally used in the Old Testament or the New for simple homosexuality, even on a grand scale. If it were, Rome and Greece would have likewise been utterly destroyed from the face of the earth and from history (except as a warning). They were not, and Greco-Roman influence is still with us even today. Going back father to Chapter 14, you see that it is not Abraham or Lot's first interaction with Sodom and Gomorrah: Lot was taken captive years earlier, and Abraham (then Abram) rescued both him and the men and goods of the King of Sodom and returned them to the King of Sodom, taking nothing for himself. Still, the King of Sodom allowed Lot, who, by sitting in the gate, was recognized as one of the leaders of the city (generally the custom in ancient times), to be treated this way and did nothing to stop or prevent it.

TL;DR--What happened in Sodom and Gomorrah was not about homosexuality or hospitality. It went much, much deeper. There was absolute corruption and evil throughout the region, which centered on Sodom, but spread to 4 of the 5 cities (4 cities were destroyed, not just two), of which Sodom was the major metropolis. Think of DC-Annapolis-Baltimore type region... Sodom would have been the power center, the DC, of the region, with the other cities taking on the Annapolis, Baltimore, Arlington, Alexandria-type roles.
 
2013-02-02 12:05:56 AM

neppyman: I think what a lot of people who haven't been involved in the BSA fail to realize (but thankfully, this thread is demonstrating it quite clearly) is that the rank-and-file members just don't care about things like whether or not somebody is an atheist or gay. There are some troops (primarily in the Bible Belt) that do, but most of them are more concerned about improving the moral fiber and life skills of their members than worrying whether or not that member meets the criteria of orthodoxy dictated from the higher ups - many of whom were never Boy Scouts themselves, to begin with.


This.  I was assistant scoutmaster of a troop in New York that was sponsored by a catholic church, and the only time we talked about god was while saying the scout oath. Our main concern was learning the various scout skills and going camping.  Even when the priest came to visit the troops he never talked about god.  Sure, some times he might say a prayer, but he was a former scout himself and would usually help in the teaching of whatever it was we were doing that week. 

On a funny side note, I spent one summer working at a camp in Massachusetts, and one of the troops was sponsored by a catholic church but they would not let the local priest go camping with them.  Turns out he was a bit of a rain god!  The troop actually had records going back about 5 years and whenever the priest went on a campout with them it rained about 75% of the time.  And sure enough, the one day he visited the camp it rained!
 
2013-02-02 12:07:09 AM

Mock26: The very first commandment is, "You shall have no other gods before me."  Yet, the Boy Scouts of America allow Hindus to join and to hold positions of leadership.  Seems that the Boy Scouts, like many so-called christians, are fond of picking and choosing those parts of the bible that are convenient to their agenda and ignore those parts that are inconvenient.


Wow, a new breed of ignorance reveals itself.  It's not the Boy Scouts of Jesus, or were you just hoping for a few bites?
 
2013-02-02 12:08:14 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Because gays are far better at pissing and moaning when the rest of the country isn't coddling them.

Because treating them as human beings and American citizens = "coddling" them. Did you also get annoyed at those uppity negroes and women wanting to be treated equally?

Uh, no. But nice try. I'm talking about X person saying "homosexuality is against my beliefs" and the gay community morphs that into "X person hates gay people and wants to see them slaughtered," then they proceed to demonstrate and riot until their butthurt little hinies get kissed and powdered.

I've yet to see any gay riots. I've seen many gays discriminated against, tormented, and murdered, though. Sorry that it annoys you that they're a bit upset over that, along with the decades of being treated as sub-human third-class citizens for the sole reason of loving people with the same gonads. Maybe if we stop doing that, they'll stop making you shiat your pants in annoyance over their wanting to not be demonized and hated for who they love.


Stonewall?
 
2013-02-02 12:08:37 AM
I'm not reading this whole thing.
Like, TLDR.
But ... has anyone mentioned they are splitting pubic hairs here?
 
2013-02-02 12:11:47 AM

GoldSpider: All I remember about OA was the shelterless sleep-out.

Yes, it rained.


3 matches and 6 fires to build.
And it RAINED
 
2013-02-02 12:13:32 AM
After drinking with a creationist who has so many logical disconnects who kept arguing for science (as creationists understand it) tonight, the Boy Scouts almost make sense.
 
2013-02-02 12:17:01 AM

Fano: Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Because gays are far better at pissing and moaning when the rest of the country isn't coddling them.

Because treating them as human beings and American citizens = "coddling" them. Did you also get annoyed at those uppity negroes and women wanting to be treated equally?

Uh, no. But nice try. I'm talking about X person saying "homosexuality is against my beliefs" and the gay community morphs that into "X person hates gay people and wants to see them slaughtered," then they proceed to demonstrate and riot until their butthurt little hinies get kissed and powdered.

I've yet to see any gay riots. I've seen many gays discriminated against, tormented, and murdered, though. Sorry that it annoys you that they're a bit upset over that, along with the decades of being treated as sub-human third-class citizens for the sole reason of loving people with the same gonads. Maybe if we stop doing that, they'll stop making you shiat your pants in annoyance over their wanting to not be demonized and hated for who they love.

Stonewall?


One whole riot, that happened because of the constant persecution and arrests, which led to the start of the LGBT movement for equality. Now compare that to the number of riots caused by the outcomes of sports games.
 
2013-02-02 12:17:42 AM

netgamer7k: It won't be long until people into pedophilia and bestiality will be asking for rights.

I'm just gonna walk away when someone says, "What's wrong with somebody choosing to marry their dog?" or "Why should he (50 year old man) not have his right to marry a 12 year old girl he loves?"


Hmm, account created is, yea, you lose.
 
2013-02-02 12:18:33 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: netgamer7k: It won't be long until people into pedophilia and bestiality will be asking for rights.

I'm just gonna walk away when someone says, "What's wrong with somebody choosing to marry their dog?" or "Why should he (50 year old man) not have his right to marry a 12 year old girl he loves?"

Ah, the slippery slope fallacy. How droll.

KrispyKritter: one more time: What's stopping you people from forming Gays and Lesbian Scouts of America? sad truth in boy Boy and girl Scouts is there are damn few parents & guardians that want to get involved with their children's activities. Start your own thing, don't wait for some folks you don't even care for to ask you to join their reindeer games, you idiots.

Ah, separate but equal. How droll.


When did a slippery slope become an absolute fallacy?
 
2013-02-02 12:20:32 AM

davidphogan: Keizer_Ghidorah: netgamer7k: It won't be long until people into pedophilia and bestiality will be asking for rights.

I'm just gonna walk away when someone says, "What's wrong with somebody choosing to marry their dog?" or "Why should he (50 year old man) not have his right to marry a 12 year old girl he loves?"

Ah, the slippery slope fallacy. How droll.

KrispyKritter: one more time: What's stopping you people from forming Gays and Lesbian Scouts of America? sad truth in boy Boy and girl Scouts is there are damn few parents & guardians that want to get involved with their children's activities. Start your own thing, don't wait for some folks you don't even care for to ask you to join their reindeer games, you idiots.

Ah, separate but equal. How droll.

When did a slippery slope become an absolute fallacy?


When it comes to law and order threads it's an absolute, proven fact.
 
2013-02-02 12:21:09 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Fano: Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Because gays are far better at pissing and moaning when the rest of the country isn't coddling them.

Because treating them as human beings and American citizens = "coddling" them. Did you also get annoyed at those uppity negroes and women wanting to be treated equally?

Uh, no. But nice try. I'm talking about X person saying "homosexuality is against my beliefs" and the gay community morphs that into "X person hates gay people and wants to see them slaughtered," then they proceed to demonstrate and riot until their butthurt little hinies get kissed and powdered.

I've yet to see any gay riots. I've seen many gays discriminated against, tormented, and murdered, though. Sorry that it annoys you that they're a bit upset over that, along with the decades of being treated as sub-human third-class citizens for the sole reason of loving people with the same gonads. Maybe if we stop doing that, they'll stop making you shiat your pants in annoyance over their wanting to not be demonized and hated for who they love.

Stonewall?

One whole riot, that happened because of the constant persecution and arrests, which led to the start of the LGBT movement for equality. Now compare that to the number of riots caused by the outcomes of sports games.


You're right.
 
2013-02-02 12:22:39 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Fano: Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Because gays are far better at pissing and moaning when the rest of the country isn't coddling them.

Because treating them as human beings and American citizens = "coddling" them. Did you also get annoyed at those uppity negroes and women wanting to be treated equally?

Uh, no. But nice try. I'm talking about X person saying "homosexuality is against my beliefs" and the gay community morphs that into "X person hates gay people and wants to see them slaughtered," then they proceed to demonstrate and riot until their butthurt little hinies get kissed and powdered.

I've yet to see any gay riots. I've seen many gays discriminated against, tormented, and murdered, though. Sorry that it annoys you that they're a bit upset over that, along with the decades of being treated as sub-human third-class citizens for the sole reason of loving people with the same gonads. Maybe if we stop doing that, they'll stop making you shiat your pants in annoyance over their wanting to not be demonized and hated for who they love.

Stonewall?

One whole riot, that happened because of the constant persecution and arrests, which led to the start of the LGBT movement for equality. Now compare that to the number of riots caused by the outcomes of sports games.


You do know you're getting me a bit hot and bothered, wut? Just playing but well said.
 
2013-02-02 12:26:51 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Keizer_Ghidorah: Fano: Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Because gays are far better at pissing and moaning when the rest of the country isn't coddling them.

Because treating them as human beings and American citizens = "coddling" them. Did you also get annoyed at those uppity negroes and women wanting to be treated equally?

Uh, no. But nice try. I'm talking about X person saying "homosexuality is against my beliefs" and the gay community morphs that into "X person hates gay people and wants to see them slaughtered," then they proceed to demonstrate and riot until their butthurt little hinies get kissed and powdered.

I've yet to see any gay riots. I've seen many gays discriminated against, tormented, and murdered, though. Sorry that it annoys you that they're a bit upset over that, along with the decades of being treated as sub-human third-class citizens for the sole reason of loving people with the same gonads. Maybe if we stop doing that, they'll stop making you shiat your pants in annoyance over their wanting to not be demonized and hated for who they love.

Stonewall?

One whole riot, that happened because of the constant persecution and arrests, which led to the start of the LGBT movement for equality. Now compare that to the number of riots caused by the outcomes of sports games.

You do know you're getting me a bit hot and bothered, wut? Just playing but well said.


I do seem to have that effect on you ;)
 
2013-02-02 12:29:20 AM

davidphogan: Keizer_Ghidorah: netgamer7k: It won't be long until people into pedophilia and bestiality will be asking for rights.

I'm just gonna walk away when someone says, "What's wrong with somebody choosing to marry their dog?" or "Why should he (50 year old man) not have his right to marry a 12 year old girl he loves?"

Ah, the slippery slope fallacy. How droll.

KrispyKritter: one more time: What's stopping you people from forming Gays and Lesbian Scouts of America? sad truth in boy Boy and girl Scouts is there are damn few parents & guardians that want to get involved with their children's activities. Start your own thing, don't wait for some folks you don't even care for to ask you to join their reindeer games, you idiots.

Ah, separate but equal. How droll.

When did a slippery slope become an absolute fallacy?


When it's the "If you allow equality for homosexuals, then you have to allow equality for child rapists and dog farkers and people will marry their turtles and American civilization will end!" slippery slope argument, then it's automatically a fallacy. Consenting adults =/= forcing yourself on children and animals.
 
2013-02-02 12:34:54 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: tinfoil-hat maggie: Keizer_Ghidorah: Fano: Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: Keizer_Ghidorah: TerminalEchoes: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Because gays are far better at pissing and moaning when the rest of the country isn't coddling them.

Because treating them as human beings and American citizens = "coddling" them. Did you also get annoyed at those uppity negroes and women wanting to be treated equally?

Uh, no. But nice try. I'm talking about X person saying "homosexuality is against my beliefs" and the gay community morphs that into "X person hates gay people and wants to see them slaughtered," then they proceed to demonstrate and riot until their butthurt little hinies get kissed and powdered.

I've yet to see any gay riots. I've seen many gays discriminated against, tormented, and murdered, though. Sorry that it annoys you that they're a bit upset over that, along with the decades of being treated as sub-human third-class citizens for the sole reason of loving people with the same gonads. Maybe if we stop doing that, they'll stop making you shiat your pants in annoyance over their wanting to not be demonized and hated for who they love.

Stonewall?

One whole riot, that happened because of the constant persecution and arrests, which led to the start of the LGBT movement for equality. Now compare that to the number of riots caused by the outcomes of sports games.

You do know you're getting me a bit hot and bothered, wut? Just playing but well said.

I do seem to have that effect on you ;)


I guess I can't help myself ; ) Wut? I like smart passionate people ; )
/What can I say?
 
2013-02-02 12:37:59 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: davidphogan: Keizer_Ghidorah: netgamer7k: It won't be long until people into pedophilia and bestiality will be asking for rights.

I'm just gonna walk away when someone says, "What's wrong with somebody choosing to marry their dog?" or "Why should he (50 year old man) not have his right to marry a 12 year old girl he loves?"

Ah, the slippery slope fallacy. How droll.

KrispyKritter: one more time: What's stopping you people from forming Gays and Lesbian Scouts of America? sad truth in boy Boy and girl Scouts is there are damn few parents & guardians that want to get involved with their children's activities. Start your own thing, don't wait for some folks you don't even care for to ask you to join their reindeer games, you idiots.

Ah, separate but equal. How droll.

When did a slippery slope become an absolute fallacy?

When it's the "If you allow equality for homosexuals, then you have to allow equality for child rapists and dog farkers and people will marry their turtles and American civilization will end!" slippery slope argument, then it's automatically a fallacy. Consenting adults =/= forcing yourself on children and animals.


I will note an uptick in more than nominally facetious arguments in favor of polygamy and bestiality in the last year on fark. Gay marriage is non-negotiable, no matter what those jokers say though. I'll assume those folks are shock and awe concern trolls.
 
2013-02-02 12:44:34 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I guess I can't help myself ; ) Wut? I like smart passionate people ; )
/What can I say?


Brains and sensitivity turn you on, that's all :) But I know your weaknesses, yeeees.

www.popwired.com

;)

Fano: I will note an uptick in more than nominally facetious arguments in favor of polygamy and bestiality in the last year on fark. Gay marriage is non-negotiable, no matter what those jokers say though. I'll assume those folks are shock and awe concern trolls.


Some do it to mock those who use it, but most either do it because they actually believe it or because they feel like trolling.
 
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