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2013-02-01 08:09:38 PM  
cptjeff: The ordeal and ceremonies are just kind of a side item to give it an air of mystery and make it seem like more of a thing than it is. It's really just an excuse to hang out with a bunch of older and more serious scouts and leaders from other troops on a regular basis, which is fun. There aren't any negatives other than the ordeal, which is basically a ritualistic day of mild labor, and you only do it once.

Wow, that sort of sucks. I went through my OA ritual at Beech Mountain Boy Scout camp near Livingstone Manor, NY in the early 70's. The initial ceremony was done in front of a crowd, and the older scout giving you the three hits was a ham that got carried away and really wailed on you. The old guy running it was a no nonsense ex marine who had been a POW in the Korean war, and he loved to fail the candidates, he really got off on it. I found out later that he made bets with the CIT's on how many he could disqualify. They woke us up at dawn and marched us two miles to build steps with handsaws and shovels up a steep hill to a new camp, then in the afternoon took us to the dining hall to scrub the floors on our hands and knees while they were slow cooking meat in the kitchen. I actually started to drool involuntarily, like a dog, smelling it. All during the day they would try to get us to say something, mostly by trickery. We started with 11 guys and finished with 7. When they had the second ceremony swearing you in you really felt like you had done something.
 
2013-02-01 08:11:15 PM  

madgonad: In the American social order, the only thing lower than atheists are pedophiles.
[www.theblaze.com image 530x361]


Hey, at least we're more popular with Republicans than Muslims. So there's that.
 
2013-02-01 08:11:57 PM  

varmitydog: cptjeff: The ordeal and ceremonies are just kind of a side item to give it an air of mystery and make it seem like more of a thing than it is. It's really just an excuse to hang out with a bunch of older and more serious scouts and leaders from other troops on a regular basis, which is fun. There aren't any negatives other than the ordeal, which is basically a ritualistic day of mild labor, and you only do it once.

Wow, that sort of sucks. I went through my OA ritual at Beech Mountain Boy Scout camp near Livingstone Manor, NY in the early 70's. The initial ceremony was done in front of a crowd, and the older scout giving you the three hits was a ham that got carried away and really wailed on you. The old guy running it was a no nonsense ex marine who had been a POW in the Korean war, and he loved to fail the candidates, he really got off on it. I found out later that he made bets with the CIT's on how many he could disqualify. They woke us up at dawn and marched us two miles to build steps with handsaws and shovels up a steep hill to a new camp, then in the afternoon took us to the dining hall to scrub the floors on our hands and knees while they were slow cooking meat in the kitchen. I actually started to drool involuntarily, like a dog, smelling it. All during the day they would try to get us to say something, mostly by trickery. We started with 11 guys and finished with 7. When they had the second ceremony swearing you in you really felt like you had done something.


This experience was indicative of many "Tap-Out" ceremonies until the 90s.  They are now called "Call-Out" ceremonies and no one is supposed to wail on your collar bone.  The poster before was referring to the Ordeal, not the Tap Out / Call Out.
 
2013-02-01 08:15:12 PM  
OK, we'll let the gay chinks and nubianrs in, but no Irish
 
2013-02-01 08:15:12 PM  

scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]


The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.
 
2013-02-01 08:17:57 PM  

randomjsa: Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean and... Reverent.

I may not like the BSA, but asking them to be non-religious is a bit stupid. It would be like asking a charity to be.. non-charitable.


From teh Wikipedias:
In contrast to the Christian-only Boys' Brigade, which started two decades earlier, Robert Baden-Powell founded the Scout movement as a youth organisation (with boys as 'Scouts' and girls as 'Guides'), which was independent of any single faith or religion, yet still held that spirituality and a belief in a higher power were key to the development of young people.

When I joined in the 80's, it was Jesus this and Jesus that and Mormon indoctrination at every turn. I lasted two weeks then decided I couldn't stand it any longer.
 
2013-02-01 08:18:25 PM  

coeyagi: cptjeff: Mrtraveler01: The Clean part of it really meant "morally clean" moreso than hygiene.

I did OA Trail Crew up at Northern Tier. Two sets of clothes, one wet for paddling and working (busting up rocks with a sledgehammer, that sort of thing), one for wearing in camp. Two weeks. Hygiene was not high on the priority list, but when you all smell equally awful...

Still, showers were nice at the end.

Then you must be thrilled by the new Jamboree facilities.  Sigh.


The only jamboree I was at was the one where a bunch of people died and even more passed out from the heat when the Secret Service decided they wouldn't let people take water in to see the President (who had to cancel the first night anyway) at the opening ceremony.

I don't remember much about the showers, other than that they were cold water only.

I'm honestly fine with them moving away from AP Hill. If they have a "not somehow below freezing in the height of summer" option for the water, that's all the better. Northern Tier had a farking sauna. After two weeks in the same set of clothes, Shower/Sauna/Shower/Sauna/Rinse was pretty damn nice.
 
2013-02-01 08:19:08 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]

The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.


Oh hey guys, we're talking about the past!  Fun!

//yes, they did, doesn't happen now in a general sense.  Know someone in Scouts who did something akin to molestation, was arrested and kicked out swiftly and being prosecuted now and had his name all throughout local press.  I suppose it may still happen in some small parts.  But at a policy level, there is a zero tolerance policy and bi-yearly Youth Protection Training.
 
2013-02-01 08:19:21 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]

The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.


So you're supporting lawlz assumption that every gay is a pedophile? Because I'm pretty sure that's what he was going for.
 
2013-02-01 08:20:30 PM  
I enjoyed my years in the Scouts. My father died when I was very young and I probably never would have had the opportunity to do a lot of the camping I did had I not joined. It was also a good thing for a boy who had only two sisters and a mother as family, and no other male influences. I don't remember any emphasis at all on religion in my troop. I finally did lose interest in it, like a lot of kids I guess, after I hit puberty and became more interested in hanging out with my friends.

On thing I always did enjoy was my subscription to Boys' Life magazine. I especially liked the short stories about the scouts who found a time machine.
 
2013-02-01 08:20:50 PM  

cptjeff: coeyagi: cptjeff: Mrtraveler01: The Clean part of it really meant "morally clean" moreso than hygiene.

I did OA Trail Crew up at Northern Tier. Two sets of clothes, one wet for paddling and working (busting up rocks with a sledgehammer, that sort of thing), one for wearing in camp. Two weeks. Hygiene was not high on the priority list, but when you all smell equally awful...

Still, showers were nice at the end.

Then you must be thrilled by the new Jamboree facilities.  Sigh.

The only jamboree I was at was the one where a bunch of people died and even more passed out from the heat when the Secret Service decided they wouldn't let people take water in to see the President (who had to cancel the first night anyway) at the opening ceremony.

I don't remember much about the showers, other than that they were cold water only.

I'm honestly fine with them moving away from AP Hill. If they have a "not somehow below freezing in the height of summer" option for the water, that's all the better. Northern Tier had a farking sauna. After two weeks in the same set of clothes, Shower/Sauna/Shower/Sauna/Rinse was pretty damn nice.


I am betting you were at the 1993 Jamboree. That was the only one I was at.  And Bubba did skip out (I think because of the gay thing too, if I recall).

They did have hot showers at AP Hill at some point, but now at The Summit, cold showers again.
 
2013-02-01 08:21:37 PM  

coeyagi: Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]

The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.

Oh hey guys, we're talking about the past!  Fun!

//yes, they did, doesn't happen now in a general sense.  Know someone in Scouts who did something akin to molestation, was arrested and kicked out swiftly and being prosecuted now and had his name all throughout local press.  I suppose it may still happen in some small parts.  But at a policy level, there is a zero tolerance policy and bi-yearly Youth Protection Training.


Yeah, the past, like the entire prior 30 years.

scottydoesntknow: Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]

The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.

So you're supporting lawlz assumption that every gay is a pedophile? Because I'm pretty sure that's what he was going for.


No, I'm not. lawlz is an ass. I was just making a snarky response.
 
2013-02-01 08:21:47 PM  

fusillade762: WTF Indeed: fusillade762: Boy scouting is a religion.

No it's not. Don't be an ass.

I'm just preempting a certain Frenchman who's no doubt on his way.


I see your learned behavior.
 
2013-02-01 08:21:52 PM  

coeyagi: varmitydog: cptjeff: The ordeal and ceremonies are just kind of a side item to give it an air of mystery and make it seem like more of a thing than it is. It's really just an excuse to hang out with a bunch of older and more serious scouts and leaders from other troops on a regular basis, which is fun. There aren't any negatives other than the ordeal, which is basically a ritualistic day of mild labor, and you only do it once.

Wow, that sort of sucks. I went through my OA ritual at Beech Mountain Boy Scout camp near Livingstone Manor, NY in the early 70's. The initial ceremony was done in front of a crowd, and the older scout giving you the three hits was a ham that got carried away and really wailed on you. The old guy running it was a no nonsense ex marine who had been a POW in the Korean war, and he loved to fail the candidates, he really got off on it. I found out later that he made bets with the CIT's on how many he could disqualify. They woke us up at dawn and marched us two miles to build steps with handsaws and shovels up a steep hill to a new camp, then in the afternoon took us to the dining hall to scrub the floors on our hands and knees while they were slow cooking meat in the kitchen. I actually started to drool involuntarily, like a dog, smelling it. All during the day they would try to get us to say something, mostly by trickery. We started with 11 guys and finished with 7. When they had the second ceremony swearing you in you really felt like you had done something.

This experience was indicative of many "Tap-Out" ceremonies until the 90s.  They are now called "Call-Out" ceremonies and no one is supposed to wail on your collar bone.  The poster before was referring to the Ordeal, not the Tap Out / Call Out.


Pssh. Mic-O-Say basically wedgies you.

/KC's Heart of America council... the leader in "OA on steroids"
 
2013-02-01 08:22:57 PM  

MrEricSir: lostcat: So, wait...What if you are a Muslim or Scientologist? Or does it only matter that you have faith in some sort of unprovable, all-powerful entity's existance?

Or what about faith in something that actually exists?  For example, I personally believe in the phone company.


Joe Pesci
 
2013-02-01 08:24:24 PM  

Great Janitor: If the Boy Scouts is a private organization, then shouldn't they have the right to choose who they let in or not?  Just how welcomed are the first few gays going to feel?  You're only here because the government said we couldn't deny you.  That's going to make them feel good on the first day.

Now, if the Boy Scouts is funded by tax payers and through the government then why did it take so long for this to happen?  I honestly don't know if they are privately funded or not.  Just believe that if a private entity doesn't want a certain group to be a part of them, then they should have the right to say "no".


They aren't funded by tax payers, but they do often operate on government land, in schools, and scouts get benefits if they join the military.
 
2013-02-01 08:24:37 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: coeyagi: Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]

The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.

Oh hey guys, we're talking about the past!  Fun!

//yes, they did, doesn't happen now in a general sense.  Know someone in Scouts who did something akin to molestation, was arrested and kicked out swiftly and being prosecuted now and had his name all throughout local press.  I suppose it may still happen in some small parts.  But at a policy level, there is a zero tolerance policy and bi-yearly Youth Protection Training.

Yeah, the past, like the entire prior 30 years.

scottydoesntknow: Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]

The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.

So you're supporting lawlz assumption that every gay is a pedophile? Because I'm pretty sure that's what he was going for.

No, I'm not. lawlz is an ass. I was just making a snarky response.


No, they haven't been hiding it recently.  They just released the list of people they were hiding.  I am not sure where the cutoff is.  If there were some on the list that were recently, I retract, but I think the last 10 years they haven't been "hiding" it.  But again, you're talking about the national organization.  They make policy and do dickish things.  The average unit leader or even council leader never did this crap.  Because they are dealing with youth.  National is so removed from youth sometimes they obviously don't realize the harm they do with these actions.
 
2013-02-01 08:25:04 PM  
First off- my kids scout den is virtually agnostic. Maybe it's because i live in a reasonable part of the country(the northeast), religion or, um, gaiety, isn't even discussed. Who cares. Also nobody whose not a freak owns a gun.

That said, if you don't like what an organization stands for, then don't join, you atheistic gay whiners.
 
2013-02-01 08:25:28 PM  
It's funny that the Girl Scouts don't have this same issue. They let in everyone, because they want ALL girls to grow to be strong women, not just the "right" girls. Of course, that might be because the Mormons haven't taken over GSUSA, likely because Mormons don't want strong women.
 
2013-02-01 08:26:26 PM  

coeyagi: Mike Chewbacca: coeyagi: Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]

The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.

Oh hey guys, we're talking about the past!  Fun!

//yes, they did, doesn't happen now in a general sense.  Know someone in Scouts who did something akin to molestation, was arrested and kicked out swiftly and being prosecuted now and had his name all throughout local press.  I suppose it may still happen in some small parts.  But at a policy level, there is a zero tolerance policy and bi-yearly Youth Protection Training.

Yeah, the past, like the entire prior 30 years.

scottydoesntknow: Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]

The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.

So you're supporting lawlz assumption that every gay is a pedophile? Because I'm pretty sure that's what he was going for.

No, I'm not. lawlz is an ass. I was just making a snarky response.

No, they haven't been hiding it recently.  They just released the list of people they were hiding.  I am not sure where the cutoff is.  If there were some on the list that were recently, I retract, but I think the last 10 years they haven't been "hiding" it.  But again, you're talking about the national organization.  They make policy and do dickish things.  The average unit leader or even council leader never did this crap.  Because they are dealing with youth.  National is so removed from youth sometimes they obviously don't realize the harm they do with these actions.


Why does it matter if it's the national organization doing it? It's the national organization that is only now letting in gays, and still bans atheists and agnostics.
 
2013-02-01 08:26:31 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: No, I'm not. lawlz is an ass. I was just making a snarky response


Ok cool. Snarky responses are cool, supporting trolls isn't. And yea, it's sad, and that shiat (the cover-ups) usually happen in organizations with the most respect to lose (see: Catholic Church/Penn State).

The saddest part is if they just kicked them out immediately and prosecuted, they'd be seen as heroes. You can't know a person you're about to hire is a sick pedo if they've never been caught, but you sure as hell can deal with it the right way once it's found out.
 
2013-02-01 08:26:37 PM  

Marine1: coeyagi: varmitydog: cptjeff: The ordeal and ceremonies are just kind of a side item to give it an air of mystery and make it seem like more of a thing than it is. It's really just an excuse to hang out with a bunch of older and more serious scouts and leaders from other troops on a regular basis, which is fun. There aren't any negatives other than the ordeal, which is basically a ritualistic day of mild labor, and you only do it once.

Wow, that sort of sucks. I went through my OA ritual at Beech Mountain Boy Scout camp near Livingstone Manor, NY in the early 70's. The initial ceremony was done in front of a crowd, and the older scout giving you the three hits was a ham that got carried away and really wailed on you. The old guy running it was a no nonsense ex marine who had been a POW in the Korean war, and he loved to fail the candidates, he really got off on it. I found out later that he made bets with the CIT's on how many he could disqualify. They woke us up at dawn and marched us two miles to build steps with handsaws and shovels up a steep hill to a new camp, then in the afternoon took us to the dining hall to scrub the floors on our hands and knees while they were slow cooking meat in the kitchen. I actually started to drool involuntarily, like a dog, smelling it. All during the day they would try to get us to say something, mostly by trickery. We started with 11 guys and finished with 7. When they had the second ceremony swearing you in you really felt like you had done something.

This experience was indicative of many "Tap-Out" ceremonies until the 90s.  They are now called "Call-Out" ceremonies and no one is supposed to wail on your collar bone.  The poster before was referring to the Ordeal, not the Tap Out / Call Out.

Pssh. Mic-O-Say basically wedgies you.

/KC's Heart of America council... the leader in "OA on steroids"


Yeah, they are the exception.  That isn't even the OA, is it?  I just heard about them this year.  Sounds like they take the OA to extremes and don't really have an OA charter because they do their own thing.  Or is that incorrect?  Like I said, just heard about it in passing in June.
 
2013-02-01 08:27:09 PM  
When I was a boy scout...

Hahaha, just kidding.

I was playing baseball, football and basketball, and looking through our Playboy subscription at 12.

I thought "Weblows" was for the gays, anyway.
 
2013-02-01 08:27:55 PM  

cptjeff: KangTheMad: Political and religious discussion is forbidden in Lodges.

What's left?


Boats and Hos.
 
2013-02-01 08:27:58 PM  
Boo hoo, not every organization on earth is something we qualify to join.  Let's whine until they change their rules because our feelings are hurt!
 
2013-02-01 08:28:23 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Mike Chewbacca: No, I'm not. lawlz is an ass. I was just making a snarky response

Ok cool. Snarky responses are cool, supporting trolls isn't. And yea, it's sad, and that shiat (the cover-ups) usually happen in organizations with the most respect to lose (see: Catholic Church/Penn State).

The saddest part is if they just kicked them out immediately and prosecuted, they'd be seen as heroes. You can't know a person you're about to hire is a sick pedo if they've never been caught, but you sure as hell can deal with it the right way once it's found out.


Yep. My family has a strong history of Scouting. I've got my grandfather's scout backpack (I never wear it; it's uncomfortable as hell). It just sucks to see such an awesome organization go down the wrong path (ie, ban gays and atheists). ALL boys should have access to Scouts.
 
2013-02-01 08:28:28 PM  

coeyagi: Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]

The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.

Oh hey guys, we're talking about the past!  Fun!

//yes, they did, doesn't happen now in a general sense.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA! No. It still happens.
 
2013-02-01 08:28:50 PM  
So it looks like I'll continue only supporting the Girl Scouts, then.

Good for the gays for gaining acceptance (sort of), but the Boy Scouts are still stuck in a 1950s America that never really existed. It's actually pretty interesting to me how the two organizations have handled modernization so differently.
 
2013-02-01 08:29:38 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Boo hoo, not every organization on earth is something we qualify to join.  Let's whine until they change their rules because our feelings are hurt!


There's a difference between qualifying and "we don't let your kind in." But you knew that already.

Civil_War2_Time: When I was a boy scout...

Hahaha, just kidding.

I was playing baseball, football and basketball, and looking through our Playboy subscription at 12.

I thought "Weblows" was for the gays, anyway.


What the fark do you think Boy Scouts is about? Knitting?
 
2013-02-01 08:30:08 PM  

TappingTheVein: Interesting, coming from an organization founded by a closeted homosexual.


The Christian church, right?
 
2013-02-01 08:30:12 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: coeyagi: Mike Chewbacca: coeyagi: Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]

The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.

Oh hey guys, we're talking about the past!  Fun!

//yes, they did, doesn't happen now in a general sense.  Know someone in Scouts who did something akin to molestation, was arrested and kicked out swiftly and being prosecuted now and had his name all throughout local press.  I suppose it may still happen in some small parts.  But at a policy level, there is a zero tolerance policy and bi-yearly Youth Protection Training.

Yeah, the past, like the entire prior 30 years.

scottydoesntknow: Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]

The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.

So you're supporting lawlz assumption that every gay is a pedophile? Because I'm pretty sure that's what he was going for.

No, I'm not. lawlz is an ass. I was just making a snarky response.

No, they haven't been hiding it recently.  They just released the list of people they were hiding.  I am not sure where the cutoff is.  If there were some on the list that were recently, I retract, but I think the last 10 years they haven't been "hiding" it.  But again, you're talking about the national organization.  They make policy and do dickish things.  The average unit leader or even council leader never did this crap.  Because they are dealing with youth.  National is so removed from youth sometimes they obviously don't realize the harm they do with these actions.

Why does it matter if it's the national organization doing it? It's the national organization that is only now letting in gays, and still bans atheists and agnostics.


That's called setting policy of which the unit and councils must abide.  My point is that I am not going to condemn the units for something national did that was egregiously bad.  Nor am I patting National on the back for passing the buck to charter organizations on allowing gays.  I am just saying, it WASN'T a national policy in the past, but it WAS a national practice IN THE PAST and it was shameful and I am glad its over.  I am just fleshing out the details that the practice is over and I think has been over for a decade.
 
2013-02-01 08:30:35 PM  

coeyagi: I am betting you were at the 1993 Jamboree. That was the only one I was at. And Bubba did skip out (I think because of the gay thing too, if I recall).


2005. I'm a tad younger than you, I'm afraid. Bush was supposed to be at the opening, but they decided not to fly Shrub in, and cancelled the event due to the heat. He came for the closing, and our SPL got to be on the stage. But at the opening that wound up being cancelled, they wouldn't let you bring in water, which ended so well in 90+ degree, extremely humid weather. They were throwing bottled water and people were fighting over it like tee shirts at sports game. And of course, a few hundred people got heatstroke. Complete and utter clusterfark, though they learned their lesson for the closing ceremony.


coeyagi: They did have hot showers at AP Hill at some point, but now at The Summit, cold showers again.


What, in the staff area?
 
2013-02-01 08:30:43 PM  

fusillade762: Boy scouting is a religion.


Yeah, and 762 is your surname.
 
2013-02-01 08:30:53 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: So it looks like I'll continue only supporting the Girl Scouts, then.

Good for the gays for gaining acceptance (sort of), but the Boy Scouts are still stuck in a 1950s America that never really existed. It's actually pretty interesting to me how the two organizations have handled modernization so differently.


Mormons don't want strong girls growing into strong, independent women. They want baby machines.
 
2013-02-01 08:31:03 PM  

Ed Grubermann: coeyagi: Mike Chewbacca: scottydoesntknow: lawlz: Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?

[zenster.net image 216x202]

The thing is, BSA already lets in pedophiles, and then hides it when boys are molested.

Oh hey guys, we're talking about the past!  Fun!

//yes, they did, doesn't happen now in a general sense.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! No. It still happens.


Really? National is still covering it up?  Proof?
 
2013-02-01 08:31:23 PM  

Fano: Joe Pesci


Saint George is so proud.
 
2013-02-01 08:31:47 PM  

cptjeff: coeyagi: I am betting you were at the 1993 Jamboree. That was the only one I was at. And Bubba did skip out (I think because of the gay thing too, if I recall).

2005. I'm a tad younger than you, I'm afraid. Bush was supposed to be at the opening, but they decided not to fly Shrub in, and cancelled the event due to the heat. He came for the closing, and our SPL got to be on the stage. But at the opening that wound up being cancelled, they wouldn't let you bring in water, which ended so well in 90+ degree, extremely humid weather. They were throwing bottled water and people were fighting over it like tee shirts at sports game. And of course, a few hundred people got heatstroke. Complete and utter clusterfark, though they learned their lesson for the closing ceremony.


coeyagi: They did have hot showers at AP Hill at some point, but now at The Summit, cold showers again.

What, in the staff area?


Everywhere I think.  The adults are pissed, the kids are probably like "Who cares?  I'm gonna stink anyway."
 
2013-02-01 08:31:59 PM  
Mormons ruin everything.
 
2013-02-01 08:32:00 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Boo hoo, not every organization on earth is something we qualify to join.  Let's whine until they change their rules because our feelings are hurt!

There's a difference between qualifying and "we don't let your kind in." But you knew that already.

Civil_War2_Time: When I was a boy scout...

Hahaha, just kidding.

I was playing baseball, football and basketball, and looking through our Playboy subscription at 12.

I thought "Weblows" was for the gays, anyway.

What the fark do you think Boy Scouts is about? Knitting?


it's about getting the kids out tf the house so you can sexy up the old lady
 
2013-02-01 08:32:09 PM  
Not collecting sporting stamps is a religious hobby for balding homosexuals.
 
2013-02-01 08:33:22 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Boo hoo, not every organization on earth is something we qualify to join.  Let's whine until they change their rules because our feelings are hurt!


You're okay with the Boy Scouts not being allowed to use public land, any public funding, or get any extra government benefits from joining the military then?  I mean, a private club should be private, right?
 
2013-02-01 08:33:28 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Mormons ruin everything.


THIS.

And of course, there goes our meeting place for the council-wide roundtable.  Just as well, bastards wouldn't even let us bring coffee into the parking lot.
 
2013-02-01 08:33:52 PM  
Don't forget, folks: all this violence in schools is "because we kicked God out."

... because he did such a swell job preventing molestation in his churches. Must have kicked him out of there too. Is there any place he's allowed?
 
2013-02-01 08:34:17 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Boo hoo, not every organization on earth is something we qualify to join.  Let's whine until they change their rules because our feelings are hurt!

There's a difference between qualifying and "we don't let your kind in." But you knew that already.


Not really, you subscribe to their way of life, or you don't.  If you don't like it, don't whine like a little biatch and start your own club instead.
 
2013-02-01 08:35:40 PM  

coeyagi: coeyagi: They did have hot showers at AP Hill at some point, but now at The Summit, cold showers again.

What, in the staff area?

Everywhere I think. The adults are pissed, the kids are probably like "Who cares? I'm gonna stink anyway."


Nah, I meant AP Hill. After the Jamboree I went to, I have a hard time believing there were ever hot showers. The thing was just a concrete pad with a couple spigots in the ground that they hooked a tent and some hardware up to every couple years...
 
2013-02-01 08:36:47 PM  

Great Janitor: If the Boy Scouts is a private organization, then shouldn't they have the right to choose who they let in or not?  Just how welcomed are the first few gays going to feel?  You're only here because the government said we couldn't deny you.  That's going to make them feel good on the first day.

Now, if the Boy Scouts is funded by tax payers and through the government then why did it take so long for this to happen?  I honestly don't know if they are privately funded or not.  Just believe that if a private entity doesn't want a certain group to be a part of them, then they should have the right to say "no".



If private with no public funding, sure they do. However they get a lot of funding from the taxpayers as you can see here. The reason they got away with it is that until recently you could get away with this kind of crap when you were dealing with gays and atheists but things have changed and now it's only atheists they can marginalize.

Until they change their ways I also have the right to tell them to tell them I don't support organizations that discriminate when they stop me on the street or show up at my door asking for donations. I did the same to the girl scouts until they saw the light. It's funny they are willing to accept money or goods without checking to see if they are coming from an atheist but don't want them in their organization.

/wouldn't lie to get into cub scouts
//scout friends encouraged me to
///several of the friends later got merit badges in sodomy from scout master
 
2013-02-01 08:39:24 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mike Chewbacca: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Boo hoo, not every organization on earth is something we qualify to join.  Let's whine until they change their rules because our feelings are hurt!

There's a difference between qualifying and "we don't let your kind in." But you knew that already.

Not really, you subscribe to their way of life, or you don't.  If you don't like it, don't whine like a little biatch and start your own club instead.


So how does a black person subscribe to a white person's way of life?
 
2013-02-01 08:40:50 PM  

coeyagi: Marine1: coeyagi: varmitydog: cptjeff: The ordeal and ceremonies are just kind of a side item to give it an air of mystery and make it seem like more of a thing than it is. It's really just an excuse to hang out with a bunch of older and more serious scouts and leaders from other troops on a regular basis, which is fun. There aren't any negatives other than the ordeal, which is basically a ritualistic day of mild labor, and you only do it once.

Wow, that sort of sucks. I went through my OA ritual at Beech Mountain Boy Scout camp near Livingstone Manor, NY in the early 70's. The initial ceremony was done in front of a crowd, and the older scout giving you the three hits was a ham that got carried away and really wailed on you. The old guy running it was a no nonsense ex marine who had been a POW in the Korean war, and he loved to fail the candidates, he really got off on it. I found out later that he made bets with the CIT's on how many he could disqualify. They woke us up at dawn and marched us two miles to build steps with handsaws and shovels up a steep hill to a new camp, then in the afternoon took us to the dining hall to scrub the floors on our hands and knees while they were slow cooking meat in the kitchen. I actually started to drool involuntarily, like a dog, smelling it. All during the day they would try to get us to say something, mostly by trickery. We started with 11 guys and finished with 7. When they had the second ceremony swearing you in you really felt like you had done something.

This experience was indicative of many "Tap-Out" ceremonies until the 90s.  They are now called "Call-Out" ceremonies and no one is supposed to wail on your collar bone.  The poster before was referring to the Ordeal, not the Tap Out / Call Out.

Pssh. Mic-O-Say basically wedgies you.

/KC's Heart of America council... the leader in "OA on steroids"

Yeah, they are the exception.  That isn't even the OA, is it?  I just heard about them this year.  Sounds like they take ...


It's a separate organization. It's based out of Camp Geiger (Pony Express Council in St. Joseph) and H. Roe Bartle Scout Reservation (Heart of America Council, KC). The OA program is out of Camp Naish in Bonner Springs.

I'm in both, and Mic-O-Say is definitely harder and more involved. I really mean it... they offer funerals and weddings. It's gone mostly untouched by the Snowflake movement of the 90s. It's nothing that would leave you with trauma, though.
 
2013-02-01 08:43:22 PM  

MrEricSir: lostcat: So, wait...What if you are a Muslim or Scientologist? Or does it only matter that you have faith in some sort of unprovable, all-powerful entity's existance?

Or what about faith in something that actually exists?  For example, I personally believe in the phone company.


Yeah, but do you have FAITH in the phone company? The only faith I have in the phone company is that they'll f*ck up my bill in as many ways as possible.
 
2013-02-01 08:45:39 PM  
Ask a Christian about why God allows innocent children to starve to death while unleashing random disasters that slaughter as many if not more of his own followers than those of other religions and non-believers.
Watch as they either tie themselves into knots with explanations of "free will" and "original sin", or dismiss you with "It's God's will/all part of God's plan".
Roll your eyes and wonder why people need so hard to believe in magical beings that simply love everyone and everything but will bring down unspeakable torture to all who they dislike.
 
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