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2013-02-01 06:53:26 PM

Marine1: kim jong-un: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Oh yeah, I'm sure that the bible omitted atheism because denying God was no big deal.

FWIW, some more liberal Jews don't consider atheism to be a disqualification for being Jewish.


Partly because for some it is ethnic as well as religious. I always prickled at the idea that some looked down on non Semitic Jews.
 
2013-02-01 06:54:27 PM

Lionel Mandrake: fusillade762: Boy scouting is a religion.

Don't be silly.  AA is a religion.  Amway is a religion.  Freemasonry is a religion.

The Boy Scouts are a cult.  Like $cientology.


You have to get a little further in for the cult stuff. 1st class at least and voted in by your fellow scouts.

\Actually, the OA is the BSA's take on a secret society.
\\Lotsa fun.
 
2013-02-01 06:55:45 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: A Scout is:

Trustworthy,Loyal,Helpful,Friendly,Courteous,Kind,Obedient,Cheerful, Thrifty,Brave,Clean,and Reverent. I never could get more than 11 out of 12


I always said all 12.  I never said what I was reverent towards though.
 
2013-02-01 06:55:48 PM
When I went to the sign up meeting for my kid, I never even got to the atheist and gay part. What turned me off was the money-grubbing. That goddamn popcorn. It was run like a business and I heard very little about what the boys would be doing. Felt like a timeshare pitch.
 
2013-02-01 06:55:59 PM
When I was a scout we had a retired army sergeant as our troop leader and we skipped the religious stuff, also we where in the ghetto part of town so we also skipped uniforms, he got the local national guard to donate equipment for camp outs and we all had a camo field jacket as our uniform. Yes the other scouts did fear us
 
2013-02-01 06:56:00 PM

Lumber Jack Off: I was a boyscout as a teen - even made eagle scout. I am and always have been an atheist. the troop I was with was, at least at the time, very secular. I remember god being part of the scout oath - but I always thought of it as god is also mentioned in the pledge of allegiance. I always omitted that part while in school and in scouts. figured it was optional. actually, I didn't even realize the boy scouts were considered "christian" until very late during my time there, which was right around when the whole no gays thing began....late 90's I believe. just was never a big part of what was discussed during meetings or on camping trips. the scouts were a good experience and even though I plan on raising my kids as atheists as well, I won't hesitate to let them sign up for boy/cub scouts.


It's changed.

Many troops may as well be Mormon recruitment camps.
 
2013-02-01 06:57:14 PM
Do gays even like carving race cars out of blocks of wood?
 
2013-02-01 06:57:35 PM

Ennuipoet: Any organization that needs me to profess belief in a higher power, whether it be scouts or Alcoholic Anonymous. is not something I want to be a part of any way.


Unless, they offer steep discounts at local bars, then I would be willing to lie about my disbelief, for a couple of rounds.


Well you seem like a trustworthy person... I certianly would hire you
 
2013-02-01 06:58:34 PM
I went up through Eagle and I'm an atheist. The religious element isn't too bad, and you just have to lie a little to finish. I loved all the camping and outdoors trips we did.

/many of us were atheist.
//probably why our troop had no problems
 
2013-02-01 06:59:10 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: MaudlinMutantMollusk: A Scout is:

Trustworthy,Loyal,Helpful,Friendly,Courteous,Kind,Obedient,Cheerful, Thrifty,Brave,Clean,and Reverent. I never could get more than 11 out of 12

I always said all 12.  I never said what I was reverent towards though.


I always said all 12 as well

/but even before I concluded I was an atheist, I knew the last thing I was was reverent
//about anything
///Congenital CSD*

*Compulsive Smartass Disorder
 
2013-02-01 06:59:12 PM

kim jong-un: Marine1: kim jong-un: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Oh yeah, I'm sure that the bible omitted atheism because denying God was no big deal.

FWIW, some more liberal Jews don't consider atheism to be a disqualification for being Jewish.

Partly because for some it is ethnic as well as religious. I always prickled at the idea that some looked down on non Semitic Jews.


No kidding. The girlfriend is of the tribe (at least religiously) and converted as a teenager from Catholicism. I got to talking with a Jewish girl I went to high school with (who is full-blooded and going to Yeshiva U right now) and she upright told me that my girlfriend isn't Jewish.

I mean, other than the going to shabbat services every week (she's there now), being the president of the Jewish sorority at my university, wearing a Star of David necklace daily, going on a Birthright trip, and once telling me Jesus was a lie in an argument early on in our relationship... she's not Jewish at all.

With all due respect, the gene pool really isn't big enough at this point to be that picky about who you let be a Jew.
 
2013-02-01 06:59:47 PM
 
2013-02-01 07:03:48 PM
I was a member of two local troops, and neither of them beat us over the head with the bible.  I imagine that is probably not the case in the south/midwest.

/Eagle scout
//Ended up on FARK nevertheless.
 
2013-02-01 07:05:24 PM
It's hard to be more culturally outdated and regressive than the US military, but the scouts manage to pull it off.
 
2013-02-01 07:05:27 PM
 
2013-02-01 07:05:53 PM
I was a scout as a kid.  The troop was sponsored by a Lutheran church but I was raised Catholic.  No one cared about religion or if you were gay.  But visiting the Catholic church I was raised in for my nephews confirmation I was shocked by how negative the members of the church were to anyone who believes something differently then they do.

/and when the priest asked me when I would get married - I kindly informed him that I would have my boyfriend drive up and we can do the ceremony right now.
//when he not so politely declined I told him to go fark off
///it was a frustrating day
 
2013-02-01 07:07:28 PM
When I was a scout, my troop just didn't care about any kind of discrimination.  We had atheists, gays, and people from all walks of life in our ranks (this was the early 90s).  Many troops still don't - part of the problem is that extremely conservative members of a particular religious group basically seized control of the highest-ranking decision-making central bureaucracy, and handed these sorts of "commandments" down from that high place.

The Boy Scouts - when you strip away that bigotry - is a good organization, promoting good values.  Ask anyone who's actually gone all the way to Eagle (or beyond - yay palms!); they'll tell you that the discrimination and such is entirely meaningless in comparison to the humility and sense of responsibility that it instills in you.

Unfortunately, it seems that the core, decision-making part of the organization is rotten.  It saddens me to think that it may not be salvageable, but I really don't see any way to do it, other than to wait for the bigots to die out (which is likely to take several more generations).

/ Eagle Scout.
// OA initiate, and yes, OA is a cult.
 
2013-02-01 07:08:44 PM
Just another group of individuals who just want to move on in and hijack someone elses group due to being to lazy and incompetent to create a group of there own.
 
2013-02-01 07:09:31 PM

sheep snorter: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Sodom and Gonnarhea was not gay. It was full of fat lazy rich republican f*cks who brought about their own destruction due to being rich non-caring f*cks who didn't care about poor people.

/Oh but being full of republicans, I guess it was gay after all.


Also there was no gayness involved in the story, because trying to rape an angel (who are sexless, or at least not referred to using gendered pronouns) is  weird to map to homosexuality - firstly they aren't the same species, secondly the gender of the angel is uncertain, and then there is the rape aspect which might be considered more critical to the entire reason it is mentioned in the first place, especially when added to the whole inhospitable to strangers and the poor.

/of course if Sodom and Gomorrah is largely about being mean to poor people, you can see why Republicans want to recast it as something else given their insistence that denying aid to poor people is something to brag about and campaign for
 
2013-02-01 07:10:12 PM

cptjeff: You have to get a little further in for the cult stuff. 1st class at least and voted in by your fellow scouts.

\Actually, the OA is the BSA's take on a secret society.
\\Lotsa fun.


Shhhh!  Remember if anyone asks, WWW stands for "Wine, Whiskey & Women".
 
2013-02-01 07:11:08 PM

neppyman: When I was a scout, my troop just didn't care about any kind of discrimination.  We had atheists, gays, and people from all walks of life in our ranks (this was the early 90s).  Many troops still don't - part of the problem is that extremely conservative members of a particular religious group basically seized control of the highest-ranking decision-making central bureaucracy, and handed these sorts of "commandments" down from that high place.

The Boy Scouts - when you strip away that bigotry - is a good organization, promoting good values.  Ask anyone who's actually gone all the way to Eagle (or beyond - yay palms!); they'll tell you that the discrimination and such is entirely meaningless in comparison to the humility and sense of responsibility that it instills in you.

Unfortunately, it seems that the core, decision-making part of the organization is rotten.  It saddens me to think that it may not be salvageable, but I really don't see any way to do it, other than to wait for the bigots to die out (which is likely to take several more generations).

/ Eagle Scout.
// OA initiate, and yes, OA is a cult.


We tried to get the initiates in our troop to talk during their period of silence. It didn't work.
 
2013-02-01 07:12:14 PM
All I remember about OA was the shelterless sleep-out.

Yes, it rained.
 
2013-02-01 07:12:22 PM

TheRealist II: Just another group of individuals who just want to move on in and hijack someone elses group due to being to lazy and incompetent to create a group of there own.


Maybe the gay-basher part of the scouts could distinguish themselves by wearing a different uniform:

i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-01 07:12:37 PM
the Boy decided he wanted to join Cub Scouts.  we had a little talk about religion and how the BSA didn't appreciate atheism.  so when it got to the sign-off from the religious leader and saying the prayer every day, i signed it (hey, i was ordained by the Universal Life Church).  for the prayer, he memorized the chorus to Rush's "Free Will" and recited it for 30 days, just like he was supposed to.  i was asked to be an officer in the group of dens (forgot the name and title), in which i served honorably like a good Dad.  after a while the Boy said he was tired of lying about religion.  he quit Scouting, but was a member of the Civil Air Patrol for several years.
 
2013-02-01 07:12:50 PM
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i was a boy scout and an atheist. from my experience, religion isnt a big part of the boyscouts. in fact i have never considered it be a religious organization and i dont recall any religious tone. i dont know where this article is coming from. i also dont understand all the recent hate for it. its a great organization and should be able to do what it feels is best for the development of young men that wish to participate.
 
2013-02-01 07:13:01 PM

Marine1: kim jong-un: Marine1: kim jong-un: xen0blue: I can't believe they are letting gays in before atheists. Both are actually against what's the bible, but the bible actually singles homosexuality out by being specifically bad pointing out it's a perversion by illustrating Sodom and Gomorrah.

Oh yeah, I'm sure that the bible omitted atheism because denying God was no big deal.

FWIW, some more liberal Jews don't consider atheism to be a disqualification for being Jewish.

Partly because for some it is ethnic as well as religious. I always prickled at the idea that some looked down on non Semitic Jews.

No kidding. The girlfriend is of the tribe (at least religiously) and converted as a teenager from Catholicism. I got to talking with a Jewish girl I went to high school with (who is full-blooded and going to Yeshiva U right now) and she upright told me that my girlfriend isn't Jewish.

I mean, other than the going to shabbat services every week (she's there now), being the president of the Jewish sorority at my university, wearing a Star of David necklace daily, going on a Birthright trip, and once telling me Jesus was a lie in an argument early on in our relationship... she's not Jewish at all.

With all due respect, the gene pool really isn't big enough at this point to be that picky about who you let be a Jew.


Heh, imagine my reaction at being told the same, except that my dad IS ethnically Jewish, but my mom isn't. Matrilineal line broken. Not really Jewish. (Assuming I did attend/study/etc)
 
2013-02-01 07:15:03 PM

Rush Mountmore: I went up through Eagle and I'm an atheist. The religious element isn't too bad, and you just have to lie a little to finish. I loved all the camping and outdoors trips we did.

/many of us were atheist.
//probably why our troop had no problems


My troop met in a church, and until one new assistant scoutmaster came in a few years before I got my eagle, the only mention of religion I ever heard was people getting the knot if they wanted to. There was one meeting where he went off about gays, and as the most senior scout at the meeting, I wound up taking him down a few pegs, though there were certainly a few uncomfortable people there. And no, it wasn't the kind of screaming you're probably imagining. It was just a calm, pointed, and logical cross examination. But it made the point quite well.

His son was probably one of the more uncomfortable people there- he was a closet liberal. I knew, but I'm pretty sure his dad didn't.

LDM90: When I went to the sign up meeting for my kid, I never even got to the atheist and gay part. What turned me off was the money-grubbing. That goddamn popcorn. It was run like a business and I heard very little about what the boys would be doing. Felt like a timeshare pitch.


Wait, there are troops that took the popcorn seriously? Ours always regarded it as a pathetic attempt to mime the girl scouts' fundraising model with a vastly inferior product that we had to participate in because the council required it.
 
2013-02-01 07:16:16 PM
Baby steps.
 
2013-02-01 07:16:30 PM

GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 500x642]
i was a boy scout and an atheist. from my experience, religion isnt a big part of the boyscouts. in fact i have never considered it be a religious organization and i dont recall any religious tone. i dont know where this article is coming from. i also dont understand all the recent hate for it. its a great organization and should be able to do what it feels is best for the development of young men that wish to participate.


The nut-wing religious folk got their paws on the decision-making seats and have been pushing for known homosexuals to be kicked out. This led to a den mother being kicked out for being lesbian, and the internet sorta went off like a bomb.
 
2013-02-01 07:17:22 PM
when i was in the scouts, i never heard of this "stay away gay" crap, even when my parents were scout leaders

/then again, I'm Canadian, so maybe the Canuck branch didn't get the case of the 'Murrican
//best camping and fishing trips i remember as a kid
 
2013-02-01 07:18:11 PM

StrandedInAZ: They've already announced on the news here that most of the councils in Arizona will not be changing their stance on allowing gays.

/I know - big surprise


WHAT?!?!?! Hatred for teh gays in Arizona? You don't say!
 
2013-02-01 07:18:16 PM

neppyman: When I was a scout, my troop just didn't care about any kind of discrimination.  We had atheists, gays, and people from all walks of life in our ranks (this was the early 90s).  Many troops still don't - part of the problem is that extremely conservative members of a particular religious group basically seized control of the highest-ranking decision-making central bureaucracy, and handed these sorts of "commandments" down from that high place.

The Boy Scouts - when you strip away that bigotry - is a good organization, promoting good values.  Ask anyone who's actually gone all the way to Eagle (or beyond - yay palms!); they'll tell you that the discrimination and such is entirely meaningless in comparison to the humility and sense of responsibility that it instills in you.

Unfortunately, it seems that the core, decision-making part of the organization is rotten.  It saddens me to think that it may not be salvageable, but I really don't see any way to do it, other than to wait for the bigots to die out (which is likely to take several more generations).

/ Eagle Scout.
// OA initiate, and yes, OA is a cult.


I see this "OA is a cult" thing every now and then, and I don't get it.   I am and Eagle Scout, and I was in OA.  I remember the silent thing and the no shelter thing, but that's all.  I don't recall every doing anything OA other than the initiation.   Did I miss out on the cult gang bangs or something?
 
2013-02-01 07:18:38 PM

cptjeff: Rush Mountmore: I went up through Eagle and I'm an atheist. The religious element isn't too bad, and you just have to lie a little to finish. I loved all the camping and outdoors trips we did.

/many of us were atheist.
//probably why our troop had no problems

My troop met in a church, and until one new assistant scoutmaster came in a few years before I got my eagle, the only mention of religion I ever heard was people getting the knot if they wanted to. There was one meeting where he went off about gays, and as the most senior scout at the meeting, I wound up taking him down a few pegs, though there were certainly a few uncomfortable people there. And no, it wasn't the kind of screaming you're probably imagining. It was just a calm, pointed, and logical cross examination. But it made the point quite well.

His son was probably one of the more uncomfortable people there- he was a closet liberal. I knew, but I'm pretty sure his dad didn't.

LDM90: When I went to the sign up meeting for my kid, I never even got to the atheist and gay part. What turned me off was the money-grubbing. That goddamn popcorn. It was run like a business and I heard very little about what the boys would be doing. Felt like a timeshare pitch.

Wait, there are troops that took the popcorn seriously? Ours always regarded it as a pathetic attempt to mime the girl scouts' fundraising model with a vastly inferior product that we had to participate in because the council required it.


Hey, don't knock the popcorn, it wasn't too bad. Helped pay for our troop's Ma-ka-ja-wan trips and stuff.
 
2013-02-01 07:19:27 PM

sheep snorter: [i.imgur.com image 488x488]


THIS X 1,000,000,000!
 
2013-02-01 07:19:48 PM
neppyman:
/ Eagle Scout.
// OA initiate, and yes, OA is a cult.


Could someone explain the Order of the Arrow bullshiat? When I was in scouts they required a nomination each year, and I was the only one in our small group who was of age to do it. They all told me I would be nominated and I told them I wouldn't do it, no matter what. The only reason I could give was that someone told me I had to go into the woods all day and night with no food and set up shelter and in Washington State that meant 40 degree or less and pouring rain. No thanks.

So the camping trip came, and they have this big whole stupid ceremony you  have to do. You stand in a big circle with the initiates all over the state and a Native American guy in the center talks about it. They give each of you an arrow, and then there is a portion where they say something like "If you do not wish to tread this path, lay down your arrows and none shall be judged." threw the arrow down and left.

Unfortunately, they didn't count on anyone doing that. Because no one had done that in twenty YEARS of the order of the arrow happening. I was able to leave, but because of how "secret" it was I ended up getting blocked by two Order of the Arrow posts outside the ceremony to keep anyone from entering. One was this dickhole scoutmaster who COULD NOT BELIEVE I declined such an honor. On my personal escort back to camp, I was told what a failure I was, how no one had ever declined, what a disgrace to scouting I was, etc etc.

My scoutmaster and leaders were totally cool, and after the trip that dude had serious issues. But what the fark? Why is order of the arrow such a big screaming deal? What did I thankfully miss out on?
 
2013-02-01 07:19:49 PM

GoldSpider: All I remember about OA was the shelterless sleep-out.

Yes, it rained.


Wimp. That's what the groundsheet is for.

We got parked on a hill. I woke up about 30 feet from where I went to bed.
 
2013-02-01 07:20:56 PM

pudding7: neppyman: When I was a scout, my troop just didn't care about any kind of discrimination.  We had atheists, gays, and people from all walks of life in our ranks (this was the early 90s).  Many troops still don't - part of the problem is that extremely conservative members of a particular religious group basically seized control of the highest-ranking decision-making central bureaucracy, and handed these sorts of "commandments" down from that high place.

The Boy Scouts - when you strip away that bigotry - is a good organization, promoting good values.  Ask anyone who's actually gone all the way to Eagle (or beyond - yay palms!); they'll tell you that the discrimination and such is entirely meaningless in comparison to the humility and sense of responsibility that it instills in you.

Unfortunately, it seems that the core, decision-making part of the organization is rotten.  It saddens me to think that it may not be salvageable, but I really don't see any way to do it, other than to wait for the bigots to die out (which is likely to take several more generations).

/ Eagle Scout.
// OA initiate, and yes, OA is a cult.

I see this "OA is a cult" thing every now and then, and I don't get it.   I am and Eagle Scout, and I was in OA.  I remember the silent thing and the no shelter thing, but that's all.  I don't recall every doing anything OA other than the initiation.   Did I miss out on the cult gang bangs or something?


There were meetings you were supposed to go to. One of our camp counselors was an OA officer and lectured our merit badge class that if one of us accepted the OA, they had better attend those meetings.
 
2013-02-01 07:21:14 PM
Anyone else here go to Ransburg? That was my favorite place to go in Indiana.

Also, glad to see more OotA folks:
i234.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-01 07:22:05 PM

GoldSpider: All I remember about OA was the shelterless sleep-out.

Yes, it rained.


I got lucky. Ours was when it was over 100 degrees that day and sunny so it was a clear and comfortable night.

I fell asleep as soon as I laid down.. A lot of walking that night.
 
2013-02-01 07:22:42 PM
LDM90: When I went to the sign up meeting for my kid, I never even got to the atheist and gay part. What turned me off was the money-grubbing. That goddamn popcorn. It was run like a business and I heard very little about what the boys would be doing. Felt like a timeshare pitch.

Wait, there are troops that took the popcorn seriously? Ours always regarded it as a pathetic attempt to mime the girl scouts' fundraising model with a vastly inferior product that we had to participate in because the council required it.


When you don't have a financial backer it's the only way you can get money. I had to sell donuts at a Catholic church every single first sunday of the month just to have money to go camping, and the popcorn was the only way we could do summer camp. For troops that don't have supporters (and this is usually poorer troops.) are forced to do a whole lot more work.
 
2013-02-01 07:23:07 PM
I don't get this whole I wanna join an organization thing but not believe what they believe thing.

I wonder if it works on the IRS?
 
2013-02-01 07:23:14 PM
lostcat:

Oddly, both my sister and I grew up to be atheists (not agnostics). Funny how it works if you don't indoctrinate kids into your religion at an early age.

Or even when you do.  I decided to quit sunday school when I was about 6 years old when I realised the whole concept was preposterous, and have been atheist since.  I believed in Santa longer than I believed in god.
 
2013-02-01 07:24:12 PM
Why would they openly allow pedophiles to join, let alone lead?
 
2013-02-01 07:24:56 PM

Jaws_Victim: neppyman:
/ Eagle Scout.
// OA initiate, and yes, OA is a cult.

Could someone explain the Order of the Arrow bullshiat? When I was in scouts they required a nomination each year, and I was the only one in our small group who was of age to do it. They all told me I would be nominated and I told them I wouldn't do it, no matter what. The only reason I could give was that someone told me I had to go into the woods all day and night with no food and set up shelter and in Washington State that meant 40 degree or less and pouring rain. No thanks.

So the camping trip came, and they have this big whole stupid ceremony you  have to do. You stand in a big circle with the initiates all over the state and a Native American guy in the center talks about it. They give each of you an arrow, and then there is a portion where they say something like "If you do not wish to tread this path, lay down your arrows and none shall be judged." threw the arrow down and left.

Unfortunately, they didn't count on anyone doing that. Because no one had done that in twenty YEARS of the order of the arrow happening. I was able to leave, but because of how "secret" it was I ended up getting blocked by two Order of the Arrow posts outside the ceremony to keep anyone from entering. One was this dickhole scoutmaster who COULD NOT BELIEVE I declined such an honor. On my personal escort back to camp, I was told what a failure I was, how no one had ever declined, what a disgrace to scouting I was, etc etc.

My scoutmaster and leaders were totally cool, and after the trip that dude had serious issues. But what the fark? Why is order of the arrow such a big screaming deal? What did I thankfully miss out on?


The ordeal and ceremonies are just kind of a side item to give it an air of mystery and make it seem like more of a thing than it is. It's really just an excuse to hang out with a bunch of older and more serious scouts and leaders from other troops on a regular basis, which is fun. There aren't any negatives other than the ordeal, which is basically a ritualistic day of mild labor, and you only do it once.

You missed out.
 
2013-02-01 07:25:04 PM
When I was in the scouts they didn't seem to discriminate against anybody. In my troop, we had all kinds of boys. One was a police officer and another an Indian chief. I know we had a cowboy and a biker all in leather. I think there was even a construction worker and a soldier.
 
2013-02-01 07:26:34 PM
Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean and... Reverent.

I may not like the BSA, but asking them to be non-religious is a bit stupid. It would be like asking a charity to be.. non-charitable.
 
2013-02-01 07:26:43 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: Anyone else here go to Ransburg? That was my favorite place to go in Indiana.

Also, glad to see more OotA folks:
[i234.photobucket.com image 417x124]


I was in Missouri so I never went there, we always went to S-F which is about 90 miles south of St. Louis in the Ozarks.

I actually had a leadership in the OA. I was the district secretary, which basically consisted of me taking notes of the meeting and nothing else.

But when it came time to do the camp outs, all I had to do was sit in District HQ reading magazines and newspapers all day and shooting the breeze with the rest of the OA members in case anyone had any questions.

It was a sweet gig.
 
2013-02-01 07:27:53 PM

El_Frijole_Blanco: MaudlinMutantMollusk: A Scout is:

Trustworthy,Loyal,Helpful,Friendly,Courteous,Kind,Obedient,Cheerful, Thrifty,Brave,Clean,and Reverent. I never could get more than 11 out of 12

As a 12 year old boy I am sure most of that list gets tossed out except maybe the gay kids have better hygiene


The Clean part of it really meant "morally clean" moreso than hygiene.

At least that's what I was told.
 
2013-02-01 07:29:30 PM

KangTheMad: There were meetings you were supposed to go to. One of our camp counselors was an OA officer and lectured our merit badge class that if one of us accepted the OA, they had better attend those meetings.


Wat? Chapter meetings are nowhere near mandatory, and usually sparsely attended. They can often be fun, but most people just bother with the lodge stuff (councilwide) or conclave (section meeting, something like 5-10 lodges). And you don't have to show up to anything at all- once you're in, you're in, and it never goes away.
 
2013-02-01 07:29:36 PM

cptjeff: Jaws_Victim: neppyman:
/ Eagle Scout.
// OA initiate, and yes, OA is a cult.

The ordeal and ceremonies are just kind of a side item to give it an air of mystery and make it seem like more of a thing than it is. It's really just an excuse to hang out with a bunch of older and more serious scouts and leaders from other troops on a regular basis, which is fun. There ...


Sounds stupid. Hated the scouts, was a nerdy kid who liked to read books. Older boys usually just ignored me. Sounds like it would've been another predictably annoying experience when I just wanted to be left alone to read a book.
 
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