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(Boing Boing)   Back in the day we used to use "modems" to get "on-line". It used to take all night to download a single pixelated picture of your mom. Here is an illustrated explanation of the funny sounds these modems made   (boingboing.net) divider line 154
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2013-02-01 03:32:09 PM  
tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com

Allow me to open my browser.  I'm going to Webcrawler to search for some Pamela Anderson pics.
 
2013-02-01 03:34:56 PM  
And we liked it that way!

...actually no, it's much better now, thanks.
 
2013-02-01 03:36:16 PM  
The pic doesn't show the noise made when someone else in the house pics up the phone line...
 
2013-02-01 03:42:38 PM  
SCREEEEEzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzrt peeeeeedonk! peeeeeedonk!
 
2013-02-01 03:50:12 PM  

brap: SCREEEEEzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzrt peeeeeedonk! peeeeeedonk!


Crap!  I didn't think anyone could hear me.
 
2013-02-01 04:02:17 PM  
What's a modem?
 
2013-02-01 04:03:14 PM  

UberDave: The pic doesn't show the noise made when someone else in the house pics up the phone line...


Until error correcting modems became standard, that sound was usually "SONOFAbiatch!"
 
2013-02-01 04:08:27 PM  
It is sad that

"No!  don't pick up the dog!"

xcbx#!NO TERRIER

has lost its mean
 
2013-02-01 04:31:42 PM  
i22.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-01 04:36:18 PM  
I'm sorry, but do you not use a modem now to go online?
 
2013-02-01 05:01:27 PM  

RexTalionis: I'm sorry, but do you not use a modem now to go online?


we're done here - shut it down

/handshake completed...
 
2013-02-01 05:15:22 PM  

RexTalionis: I'm sorry, but do you not use a modem now to go online?


Indeed you do, unless you're lucky enough to have fibre to the home or in a bizarre enough situation to be still using ISDN.

Can't tell how fast your ADSL modem has connected by listening to the handshake, though.
 
2013-02-01 05:19:17 PM  
Ah, the mating call of the domestic American Modem.
 
2013-02-01 05:22:16 PM  
Dad are you telling that story about how you met mom again?
 
2013-02-01 05:29:29 PM  

Chariset: And we liked it that way!

...actually no, it's much better now, thanks.


In 1999 I got a flat-rate ISDN connection, giving me a glorious 128kbps of always-on internet access.

Basically, that was it for the next ten years. Nothing changed for me until about two or three years ago when I got Netflix and actually had something to use the higher bandwidth for. Sure, in the interim I got DSL and then cable internet access, but to be honest, I don't do much that requires high bandwidth. Once I never had to perform an initial "connect" phase to my internet activities, it was all smooth sailing.
 
2013-02-01 05:30:45 PM  

RexTalionis: I'm sorry, but do you not use a modem now to go online?


Of course not, I just steal my neighbor's wifi.
 
2013-02-01 05:32:38 PM  
I am going to go use Veronica to find some Archie servers.
 
2013-02-01 05:32:39 PM  
i remember trying to pirate a copy of carmageddon for mac on a pc that didn't have enough hard drive space using a 28k modem...

that was pretty awful
 
2013-02-01 05:34:17 PM  
Ah, the good old days when you could put '+++ATH' in your signature and figure out who had bought the cheap modems.

Fun fact - the Hayes command set never went away, it just evolved into GSM. If your cell phone lets you talk directly to the baseband chipset (e.g. Nokia N900) you can dial a number or send a text message with AT commands.
 
2013-02-01 05:36:28 PM  
Reminds me of how the other day that guy accidentally hotlinked to AngelFire and I was transported back in time for one brief moment.
 
2013-02-01 05:38:22 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Ah, the good old days when you could put '+++ATH' in your signature and figure out who had bought the cheap modems.

Fun fact - the Hayes command set never went away, it just evolved into GSM. If your cell phone lets you talk directly to the baseband chipset (e.g. Nokia N900) you can dial a number or send a text message with AT commands.


Bastard. I never thought of that :)

I thought the illustration in the article was an elegant way of showing the conversation.
 
2013-02-01 05:46:52 PM  
You can even kind of tell which part is the EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and which is the doidong-dong and which is the cuaksshhsshhsshhshsh.
 
2013-02-01 05:49:50 PM  
I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.
 
2013-02-01 05:50:49 PM  

Rising Ape: RexTalionis: I'm sorry, but do you not use a modem now to go online?

Indeed you do, unless you're lucky enough to have fibre to the home or in a bizarre enough situation to be still using ISDN.

Can't tell how fast your ADSL modem has connected by listening to the handshake, though.


Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem.  That term refers to devices that  MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.

We just keep calling that device that connects to the outside world a modem, because it's a generally understood term.  But unless you're on dialup, they no longer do what the name implies.
 
2013-02-01 05:52:32 PM  
That was freaking awesome. I may just have to dig up my USR and make some noise tonight. Where, oh where is my BBS?

/SYSOP for Life
 
2013-02-01 05:54:56 PM  

unyon: Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem.  That term refers to devices that  MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.


That's exactly what a DSL modem does.... just on different frequencies than the old dial-ups.
 
2013-02-01 05:56:05 PM  

Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.


I remember when getting a 1200 baud modem was a significant upgrade. Get off my lawn. ;)
 
2013-02-01 05:56:14 PM  

Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.


Noob.
 
2013-02-01 05:58:57 PM  
Is there an illustrated explanation about the noises old Apple II drives made when booting?

AH-OOOOOO-Gah - Chnk Chnk Chnk.
 
2013-02-01 05:59:21 PM  

unyon: Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem. That term refers to devices that MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.


According to Wiki:

A modem (modulator-demodulator) is a device that modulates an analog carrier signal to encode digital information, and also demodulates such a carrier signal to decode the transmitted information. The goal is to produce a signal that can be transmitted easily and decoded to reproduce the original digital data. Modems can be used over any means of transmitting analog signals, from light emitting diodes to radio. The most familiar example is a voice band modem that turns the digital data of a personal computer into modulated electrical signals in the voice frequency range of a telephone channel. These signals can be transmitted over telephone lines and demodulated by another modem at the receiver side to recover the digital data.

I don't know about you, but I see nothing about modulating only tones over PTSN as the only possible definition for a modem.
 
2013-02-01 06:00:02 PM  
For those who can't remember all the noises:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpMrTxMV6E4
 
2013-02-01 06:01:50 PM  

unyon: Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem. That term refers to devices that MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.


Not only is that device called a modem, but the device inside your cell phone that connects to the data network is also called a modem.
 
2013-02-01 06:02:04 PM  
I have a Zoom 56K modem under my desk that communicates with our door access system.  Whenever it loses comms with the panel, I hear the dulcet tones of the two modems communicating.
 
2013-02-01 06:04:00 PM  

300baud: Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.

Noob.


I remember days when hard drives were a "new" copncept, modems were somethign only the programming teacher had, and color CRT monitors were a significant upgrade.
 
2013-02-01 06:05:04 PM  

Precision Boobery: You can even kind of tell which part is the EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and which is the doidong-dong and which is the cuaksshhsshhsshhshsh.


I really wish they'd annotated that on the image.
 
2013-02-01 06:05:38 PM  

highendmighty: Is there an illustrated explanation about the noises old Apple II drives made when booting?

AH-OOOOOO-Gah - Chnk Chnk Chnk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWPJyh98CjM
 
2013-02-01 06:13:36 PM  
I use five modems every day at work to communicate with traffic signals. Stupid DOS program hangs up with AT H instead of ATH, took me a while to find a modem that would understand it... Still works than the windows 95 program...
 
2013-02-01 06:16:03 PM  

Mikey1969: 300baud: Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when hard drives were a "new" copncept, modems were somethign only the programming teacher had, and color CRT monitors were a significant upgrade.


Noob.  I remember moving up from punch cards and saving programs on magnetic tape three or more times, because it was very likely you wouldn't be able to restore.  All upper case character sets.  Memory measured in bytes.  My first modem was an acoustic coupler; I think it was 150 baud though it may have been 110, I'm ashamed I can't remember.
 
2013-02-01 06:16:50 PM  

Veritas333: I use five modems every day at work to communicate with traffic signals. Stupid DOS program hangs up with AT H instead of ATH, took me a while to find a modem that would understand it... Still works than the windows 95 program...


That explains a lot about my daily commute.

Traffic light: Oh, here comes a car down the road. Better switch to red.
*I pull up, wait at the red. There are no cars to be seen.*
Traffic light: Good. Good. Wait here my pretty.
*I wait longer. I see a car starting to come from the green side.*
Traffic light: Here comes another car! HE TOO MUST WAIT! I'll give them the green turn arrow just to mess with them!
*We both wait at the light until a car comes to use the green turn arrow.*
Traffic light: REDS ALL AROUND! NOBODY WILL GO!
 
2013-02-01 06:17:44 PM  
I have a lot of trouble fitting my cell phone into my Anderson-Jacobsan 300bps acoustical coupler (aka modem).
 
2013-02-01 06:23:26 PM  
very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already
 
2013-02-01 06:24:19 PM  
A modem connecting is best listened to when slowed down 700 times or so.

Spooky.
 
2013-02-01 06:24:23 PM  
I remember when the iPhone 5 was a huge upgrade from the iPhone4.
 
2013-02-01 06:24:39 PM  
It didn't take all night.  More like 5-10 minutes for a high res (640x480) GIF.  And that was back in the 2400bps days.
 
2013-02-01 06:31:39 PM  

jtown: It didn't take all night.  More like 5-10 minutes for a high res (640x480) GIF.  And that was back in the 2400bps days.


Those "high resolution" JPEGs were a killer, though.  It took long enough that I could finish fapping to the Persian Kitty purrfect pose of the week before anything actually interesting showed up on the screen.
 
2013-02-01 06:32:05 PM  

Mikey1969: 300baud: Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when hard drives were a "new" copncept, modems were somethign only the programming teacher had, and color CRT monitors were a significant upgrade.


Noob.

I remember days when wheels were a "new" copncept, fire was somethign only the cooking teacher had, and colored fabric was a significant upgrade.
 
2013-02-01 06:34:33 PM  

xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already


Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.
 
2013-02-01 06:34:51 PM  

MrEricSir: Mikey1969: 300baud: Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when hard drives were a "new" copncept, modems were somethign only the programming teacher had, and color CRT monitors were a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when wheels were a "new" copncept, fire was somethign only the cooking teacher had, and colored fabric was a significant upgrade.


Noob.

I remember the day saw a large  black rectangular object and started killing other chimps with bones and stuff.
 
2013-02-01 06:38:40 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already

Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.


I can't remember who said it but I always liked the quote (paraphrased here): "the problem with modern programmers isn't that they can't stuff a device driver into a spare 24 bytes they found in unused scratch memory, but that they won't even try."
 
2013-02-01 06:40:28 PM  

300baud: Mikey1969: 300baud: Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when hard drives were a "new" copncept, modems were somethign only the programming teacher had, and color CRT monitors were a significant upgrade.

Noob.  I remember moving up from punch cards and saving programs on magnetic tape three or more times, because it was very likely you wouldn't be able to restore.  All upper case character sets.  Memory measured in bytes.  My first modem was an acoustic coupler; I think it was 150 baud though it may have been 110, I'm ashamed I can't remember.


AHHHH, punchcards...

When I was a kid, we went on a tour of the Sheriff's station, and they took us in a room and showed us their new computer, all punchcard activated and huge... The guy loaded in a punchcard, and the printer went to town, eventually printing up what was probably a 20x30 picture of the Mona Lisa, Not quite ASCII art, but that's the closest I can come to something I've seen since, it printed regular characters, anything on the keyboard, and overstriking to create shade and texture. Crude by today's standards, but absofarkinglutely amazing in 1980-ish.

When the pic was done, the guy doing the tour took it off the printer and asked who wanted it. Crickets commenced to fiddling... I was in shock, I held up my hand and went home with this absolutely cool piece of art. It was the coolest part of the tour, the only other things I remember is the lockers where they have to put their guns before walking into any area with prisoners(Something I call BS on to this day in the movies), and their story of how they had to change their lock system because some guy jammed the place where the striker for the lock is supposed to sit full of gum wrappers, and since it was spring-loaded, the door never latched. Guy walked out the door, easy-peasy, I guess.

The picture may exist, but sadly I am dependent on my aunt and uncle who used to be my adoptive parents, and when I called 'em out for being money-grubbers during the prayer I was asked to give at my grandmother's funeral, they stopped giving me the few things they still had from my childhood.... :(

I also remember getting my Social Security checks after my mother died, they were printed on punchcards... In a way, they still aren't such a bad idea, EMP doesn't hurt paper, right?
 
2013-02-01 06:41:17 PM  

Veritas333: I use five modems every day at work to communicate with traffic signals. Stupid DOS program hangs up with AT H instead of ATH, took me a while to find a modem that would understand it... Still works than the windows 95 program...


Heh, while we don't use it every day, we still have a modem and a 486 machine with only DOS on it to remotely access a couple of our customers internal paging system so we can update it and make major changes if need be.

Still don't understand why the hell Zetron (company that makes a lot of paging equipment) forces you to use DOS based programs to control their systems. I mean their equipment is freaking everywhere and they still requires the use of plain old serial ports, dial up modems, and DOS based software.
 
2013-02-01 06:42:48 PM  
If I wanted to hear that annoying noise I would turn on the speaker on my fax machine, but I don't so I won't.
 
2013-02-01 06:43:48 PM  

unyon: Rising Ape: RexTalionis: I'm sorry, but do you not use a modem now to go online?

Indeed you do, unless you're lucky enough to have fibre to the home or in a bizarre enough situation to be still using ISDN.

Can't tell how fast your ADSL modem has connected by listening to the handshake, though.

Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem.  That term refers to devices that  MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.

We just keep calling that device that connects to the outside world a modem, because it's a generally understood term.  But unless you're on dialup, they no longer do what the name implies.


Thank you for saving me keystrokes.

/first modem was 300 baud, and no that's not the same as 300 bps
 
2013-02-01 06:45:05 PM  

12349876: I remember when the iPhone 5 was a huge upgrade from the iPhone4.


I remember when going from Polaroid B&W to Polaroid color was a big deal.  The color film packs even had a radical new battery called "lithium ion".
 
2013-02-01 06:45:10 PM  

xenomorpheus: MrEricSir: Mikey1969: 300baud: Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when hard drives were a "new" copncept, modems were somethign only the programming teacher had, and color CRT monitors were a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when wheels were a "new" copncept, fire was somethign only the cooking teacher had, and colored fabric was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember the day saw a large  black rectangular object and started killing other chimps with bones and stuff.


Noob.

I remember God mumbling something about creating something new called "dirt".
 
2013-02-01 06:45:36 PM  
i remember paying $600 for my hst courier 16.8k modem and the amiga 500 it went to was $400 in 1992.
 
2013-02-01 06:49:29 PM  

Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.


And several hundred dollars.
 
2013-02-01 06:52:16 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Marcus Aurelius: xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already

Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.

I can't remember who said it but I always liked the quote (paraphrased here): "the problem with modern programmers isn't that they can't stuff a device driver into a spare 24 bytes they found in unused scratch memory, but that they won't even try."


There were times when I agonized over less memory than that.  And you're right, a computer geek today has no concept of some of the underlying technologies that are still there, but under so many layers of microcode and OS software that they're invisible.
 
2013-02-01 06:53:19 PM  
Trumpet Winsock was the bane of my existence.
 
2013-02-01 06:55:55 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com image 548x264]

Allow me to open my browser.  I'm going to Webcrawler to search for some Pamela Anderson pics.


Nuts to your new-fangled graphical interface.  80 columns is all I will ever need ...

www.compmiscellanea.com
 
2013-02-01 06:56:13 PM  
My first experience with digitally transmitted porn was through Amateur Radio SSTV at the Heathkit store where I worked. Lots of weird Star Trek stuff that still haunts my dreams.
 
2013-02-01 06:57:36 PM  

styckx: Trumpet Winsock was the bane of my existence.


I HATED that program.  Whatchamacallit TCP/IP came out and kicked their asses in about 1991 if I recall.
 
2013-02-01 07:01:38 PM  
PROCOMM+ FTW
 
2013-02-01 07:02:00 PM  

unyon: Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem. That term refers to devices that MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.

We just keep calling that device that connects to the outside world a modem, because it's a generally understood term. But unless you're on dialup, they no longer do what the name implies.


Sorry, they do exactly what the name implies. That's why we call them that. Just like I call you a dumbass, not because it's implied, but because you are. Aren't you a pretty feverish Space Nutter too? That would explain your limited grasp on high school level fundamentals.
 
2013-02-01 07:03:41 PM  

23FPB23: PROCOMM+ FTW


Don't you mean +++?
 
2013-02-01 07:04:24 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Lord Dimwit: Marcus Aurelius: xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already

Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.

I can't remember who said it but I always liked the quote (paraphrased here): "the problem with modern programmers isn't that they can't stuff a device driver into a spare 24 bytes they found in unused scratch memory, but that they won't even try."

There were times when I agonized over less memory than that.  And you're right, a computer geek today has no concept of some of the underlying technologies that are still there, but under so many layers of microcode and OS software that they're invisible.


It still freaks me out that there are people who have degrees in software engineering and have never manually managed memory. At the other end of the spectrum, I've met people who can't see the forest for the trees and get so hung up on minute details that they forget that computer science has very little to do with computers themselves...(another favorite quote: "computer science is to computers as astronomy is to telescopes").

Basically what I'm saying is that in my day it was better and young people don't know anything and are good for nothing.
 
2013-02-01 07:04:44 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: unyon: Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem. That term refers to devices that MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.

We just keep calling that device that connects to the outside world a modem, because it's a generally understood term. But unless you're on dialup, they no longer do what the name implies.

Sorry, they do exactly what the name implies. That's why we call them that. Just like I call you a dumbass, not because it's implied, but because you are. Aren't you a pretty feverish Space Nutter too? That would explain your limited grasp on high school level fundamentals.


I'd like to step in and modulate this exchange at this point.
 
2013-02-01 07:09:25 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Lord Dimwit: Marcus Aurelius: xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already

Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.

I can't remember who said it but I always liked the quote (paraphrased here): "the problem with modern programmers isn't that they can't stuff a device driver into a spare 24 bytes they found in unused scratch memory, but that they won't even try."

There were times when I agonized over less memory than that.  And you're right, a computer geek today has no concept of some of the underlying technologies that are still there, but under so many layers of microcode and OS software that they're invisible.


Speaking of, you should read The Story of Mel, if you haven't. I actually have met the guy who wrote it. It's enlightening, hilarious, and bittersweet.
 
2013-02-01 07:10:00 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Marcus Aurelius: Lord Dimwit: Marcus Aurelius: xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already

Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.

I can't remember who said it but I always liked the quote (paraphrased here): "the problem with modern programmers isn't that they can't stuff a device driver into a spare 24 bytes they found in unused scratch memory, but that they won't even try."

There were times when I agonized over less memory than that.  And you're right, a computer geek today has no concept of some of the underlying technologies that are still there, but under so many layers of microcode and OS software that they're invisible.

It still freaks me out that there are people who have degrees in software engineering and have never manually managed memory. At the other end of the spectrum, I've met people who can't see the forest for the trees and get so hung up on minute details that they forget that computer science has very little to do with computers themselves...(another favorite quote: "computer science is to computers as astronomy is to telescopes").

Basically what I'm saying is that in my day it was better and young people don't know anything and are good for nothing.


In my experience, very few people are mentally capable of grasping all the necessary concepts and details while simultaneously caring about it enough to even try to understand it.  You almost need to be the kind of person that looks at a neat new toy and instead of playing with it, immediately reaches for a screwdriver and a wrench so you can take it apart and see how it works.  You have to NEED to know.
 
2013-02-01 07:11:43 PM  

sammyk: What's a modemn acoustic coupler?


i still have a couple hanging out in my basement office
 
2013-02-01 07:12:49 PM  
10 RUN

****CAN'T DO THAT****
 
2013-02-01 07:13:23 PM  

Lord Dimwit: The Story of Mel


There are not nearly enough Mels out there.

Here's an uncertified link for anyone that cares:

http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html
 
2013-02-01 07:13:28 PM  
Used to play star trek on my dads mainframe using a phone coupler and a printer so I'm getting a kick.

/entire forests were destroyed taking out a single klongon ship
//get off my lawn
 
2013-02-01 07:28:38 PM  
HOMIE! we're actually having a conversation!!
www.simpsoncrazy.com
 
2013-02-01 07:40:02 PM  
Why didn't they post a link to the .wav file of the sound?

Or at least the sound as a ringtone.
 
2013-02-01 07:49:23 PM  

Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 2400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.


/.alt.fark
 
2013-02-01 07:49:27 PM  
 
2013-02-01 07:54:33 PM  

gingerjet: Used to play star trek on my dads mainframe using a phone coupler and a printer so I'm getting a kick.

/entire forests were destroyed taking out a single klongon ship
//get off my lawn


We used to re-write the code to give us unlimited shields and torpedos.

Remember Colossal Cave/Adventure 550?  "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike"
 
2013-02-01 07:57:04 PM  

sswo: Why didn't they post a link to the .wav file of the sound?

Or at least the sound as a ringtone.


It would make an awesomely annoying ringtone.

/yep
 
2013-02-01 07:59:44 PM  
Not to be pedantic, well OK some will think this is nit-picking.  BAUD and bps are not interchangeable.  No one had a 9600 or 14400 BAUD modem, they were 9600 and 14400 bps (not Bps).  BAUD is the signal rate - which Bell Labs stated was limited to 2400 BAUD using Ma Bell switching systems.  After 2400 bps was reached, the signal had to be modulated to carry more than one bit per signal.
 
2013-02-01 08:00:44 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: jtown: It didn't take all night.  More like 5-10 minutes for a high res (640x480) GIF.  And that was back in the 2400bps days.

Those "high resolution" JPEGs were a killer, though.  It took long enough that I could finish fapping to the Persian Kitty purrfect pose of the week before anything actually interesting showed up on the screen.


Persian Kitty is still around, but boy, that takes me back.
 
2013-02-01 08:10:51 PM  

Glancing Blow: Not to be pedantic, well OK some will think this is nit-picking.  BAUD and bps are not interchangeable.  No one had a 9600 or 14400 BAUD modem, they were 9600 and 14400 bps (not Bps).  BAUD is the signal rate - which Bell Labs stated was limited to 2400 BAUD using Ma Bell switching systems.  After 2400 bps was reached, the signal had to be modulated to carry more than one bit per signal.


I remember having a bawdy time ripping my Commodore 8032 into a 300 baud DEC teletype.  You have no idea how many forests that boded weller.
 
2013-02-01 08:15:30 PM  
Mikey1969:

When I was a kid, we went on a tour of the Sheriff's station, and they took us in a room and showed us their new computer, all punchcard activated and huge... The guy loaded in a punchcard, and the printer went to town, eventually printing up what was probably a 20x30 picture of the Mona Lisa, Not quite ASCII art, but that's the closest I can come to something I've seen since, it printed regular characters, anything on the keyboard, and overstriking to create shade and texture. Crude by today's standards, but absofarkinglutely amazing in 1980-ish.

When the pic was done, the guy doing the tour took it off the printer and asked who wanted it. Crickets commenced to fiddling... I was in shock, I held up my hand and went home with this absolutely cool piece of art. It was the coolest part of the tour, the only other things I remember is the lockers where they have to put their guns before walking into any area with prisoners(Something I call BS on to this day in the movies), and their story of how they had to change their lock system because some guy jammed the place where the striker for the lock is supposed to sit full of gum wrappers, and since it was spring-loaded, the door never latched. Guy walked out the door, easy-peasy, I guess.

The picture may exist, but sadly I am dependent on my aunt and uncle who used to be my adop ...


Heh, what a coincidence.  I actually have a big "Mona By The Numbers" hanging on the wall 10 feet away.  It's dated October 24, 1965 by "H.P. Peterson"  It was my late father's and I'm afraid I don't know its story, but he kept it hanging for over forty years!
 
2013-02-01 08:17:25 PM  

WordsnCollision: sswo: Why didn't they post a link to the .wav file of the sound?

Or at least the sound as a ringtone.

It would make an awesomely annoying ringtone.

/yep


SLOW DOWN THERE
 
2013-02-01 08:38:15 PM  

300baud: Mikey1969:

When I was a kid, we went on a tour of the Sheriff's station, and they took us in a room and showed us their new computer, all punchcard activated and huge... The guy loaded in a punchcard, and the printer went to town, eventually printing up what was probably a 20x30 picture of the Mona Lisa, Not quite ASCII art, but that's the closest I can come to something I've seen since, it printed regular characters, anything on the keyboard, and overstriking to create shade and texture. Crude by today's standards, but absofarkinglutely amazing in 1980-ish.

When the pic was done, the guy doing the tour took it off the printer and asked who wanted it. Crickets commenced to fiddling... I was in shock, I held up my hand and went home with this absolutely cool piece of art. It was the coolest part of the tour, the only other things I remember is the lockers where they have to put their guns before walking into any area with prisoners(Something I call BS on to this day in the movies), and their story of how they had to change their lock system because some guy jammed the place where the striker for the lock is supposed to sit full of gum wrappers, and since it was spring-loaded, the door never latched. Guy walked out the door, easy-peasy, I guess.

The picture may exist, but sadly I am dependent on my aunt and uncle who used to be my adop ...

Heh, what a coincidence.  I actually have a big "Mona By The Numbers" hanging on the wall 10 feet away.  It's dated October 24, 1965 by "H.P. Peterson"  It was my late father's and I'm afraid I don't know its story, but he kept it hanging for over forty years!


Hubba hubba (NSFW in any decade)
 
2013-02-01 08:41:34 PM  

gingerjet: Used to play star trek on my dads mainframe using a phone coupler and a printer so I'm getting a kick.
/entire forests were destroyed taking out a single klongon ship
//get off my lawn


I hacked into the computer of another high school in my district to play this by guessing the password. 
"STARTREK"
Goddamn, did that game eat paper.
 
2013-02-01 08:46:57 PM  

styckx: Trumpet Winsock was the bane of my existence.


You just got me with that...
 
2013-02-01 08:47:21 PM  

300baud: Mikey1969:

When I was a kid, we went on a tour of the Sheriff's station, and they took us in a room and showed us their new computer, all punchcard activated and huge... The guy loaded in a punchcard, and the printer went to town, eventually printing up what was probably a 20x30 picture of the Mona Lisa, Not quite ASCII art, but that's the closest I can come to something I've seen since, it printed regular characters, anything on the keyboard, and overstriking to create shade and texture. Crude by today's standards, but absofarkinglutely amazing in 1980-ish.

When the pic was done, the guy doing the tour took it off the printer and asked who wanted it. Crickets commenced to fiddling... I was in shock, I held up my hand and went home with this absolutely cool piece of art. It was the coolest part of the tour, the only other things I remember is the lockers where they have to put their guns before walking into any area with prisoners(Something I call BS on to this day in the movies), and their story of how they had to change their lock system because some guy jammed the place where the striker for the lock is supposed to sit full of gum wrappers, and since it was spring-loaded, the door never latched. Guy walked out the door, easy-peasy, I guess.

The picture may exist, but sadly I am dependent on my aunt and uncle who used to be my adop ...

Heh, what a coincidence.  I actually have a big "Mona By The Numbers" hanging on the wall 10 feet away.  It's dated October 24, 1965 by "H.P. Peterson"  It was my late father's and I'm afraid I don't know its story, but he kept it hanging for over forty years!


That's totally cool that you have one... With the exception of my 1st gen X-Wing and TIE fighters and my Evel Kenevil Stuntcycle, it's the thing I feel the worst about losing.
 
2013-02-01 08:51:35 PM  
You know, to a horticulturist, that was damn near gibberish.
 
2013-02-01 08:53:31 PM  

gingerjet: Used to play star trek on my dads mainframe using a phone coupler and a printer so I'm getting a kick.

/entire forests were destroyed taking out a single klongon ship
//get off my lawn


Silent 700?
 
2013-02-01 08:57:17 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: You know, to a horticulturist, that was damn near gibberish.


If you mean the frequencies and amplitudes that the modems used to communicate, it helps to listen to it slowed down to human speed.

The two machines basically say "hello" and then test the quality of the connection by saturating the analog bandwidth.

It's actually quite beautiful.
 
2013-02-01 09:00:39 PM  

highendmighty: Is there an illustrated explanation about the noises old Apple II drives made when booting?

AH-OOOOOO-Gah - Chnk Chnk Chnk.


I don't know of an illustration, but I can walk you through it at a very abstract level:

1. what you call "AH-OOO-Gah" is the stepper motor for the disk read head banging against the stop. Back then, disk drives didn't have a "park" position for the read head to go to upon shutdown, nor any way of keeping track of where the head was when the drive last lost power. So, to make sure that the drive logic knew where the head was, it would instruct the head motor to step down about 30 positions. Since there were only 29 tracks on a disk, that ensured that the head would finish at track 0, and the drive logic could then move it around knowing its starting point. But if the drive had been on, say, track 6 when it powered down, it would step from track 6 to track 0, and then bang against the stop 24 more times (since it can't go past 0). (Imagine that you want to make sure your car is all the way into the garage when you pull in, but you don't know how far you should pull in, so you slam on the accelerator for 10 full seconds and squash the car against the front wall of the garage for a while, just to be sure the back end gets in.)

2. Then there were a couple of swishes, followed by a quick "swish-swish" sound. Those were the sound of the read head locating and reading in the operating system on the disk. Back then, computers didn't have a place to store operating system instructions when the power was off. Instead, the operating system would be written onto a couple of tracks on the disk and would be read into memory each time the computer powered on. (That's why you had "boot disks" and "data disks." The former had the operating system included, so you could boot from them. The latter didn't. God help you if your only boot disk got erased...) If the disk in the drive didn't have the operating system on it, the drive would just spin forever, unable to do anything else. The OS wasn't very large, so most commercial programs would include it on their disk, so you could just stick in the disk and power on (rather than locating your own boot disk, booting up, swapping out your boot disk for the commercial program, and manually loading that.)

3. The "swish-swish" sound was the end of the operating system being read in. Many commercial games and programs included, at the end of the operating system, instructions to load and run certain programs, so the computer would boot and then run the program automatically. So anything after the "swish-swish" sound was the read head going to find the first file it was directed to load and run.
 
2013-02-01 09:05:14 PM  
I remember when I got a modem that would go 1200 baud at half duplex as an upgrade from the 300 baud.

The teletypes were at 110 baud, iirc...

And the days of wardialing MCI, AllTell and Sprint for codez. Those were the days...

/Off my lawn
//Leave the Rogaine
 
2013-02-01 09:06:18 PM  

300baud: Mikey1969: 300baud: Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when hard drives were a "new" copncept, modems were somethign only the programming teacher had, and color CRT monitors were a significant upgrade.

Noob.  I remember moving up from punch cards and saving programs on magnetic tape three or more times, because it was very likely you wouldn't be able to restore.  All upper case character sets.  Memory measured in bytes.  My first modem was an acoustic coupler; I think it was 150 baud though it may have been 110, I'm ashamed I can't remember.


Back in MYYYYY DAYYYY we didn't have no fancy MOOOO-DEMMMS and we had to make all the noises over the phone ourselves.
 
2013-02-01 09:07:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: it helps to listen to it slowed down to human speed.


Dude, that's the background effects to a horror movie.  Not the slasher kind, the suspenseful kind.
 
2013-02-01 09:33:41 PM  

Mikey1969: 300baud: Heh, what a coincidence.  I actually have a big "Mona By The Numbers" hanging on the wall 10 feet away.  It's dated October 24, 1965 by "H.P. Peterson"  It was my late father's and I'm afraid I don't know its story, but he kept it hanging for over forty years!

That's totally cool that you have one... With the exception of my 1st gen X-Wing and TIE fighters and my Evel Kenevil Stuntcycle, it's the thing I feel the worst about losing.


If anybody's curious, mine is the same as this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cshym74/3565277523/.

It's quite impressive looking even remotely considering its date.  I wouldn't doubt that my dad probably knew the CDC folks who made them, as he was an early pioneer.
 
2013-02-01 09:36:35 PM  

Zombalupagus: xenomorpheus: MrEricSir: Mikey1969: 300baud: Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when hard drives were a "new" copncept, modems were somethign only the programming teacher had, and color CRT monitors were a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when wheels were a "new" copncept, fire was somethign only the cooking teacher had, and colored fabric was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember the day saw a large  black rectangular object and started killing other chimps with bones and stuff.

Noob.

I remember God mumbling something about creating something new called "dirt".


Noob.

I remember when all of the matter in the universe was condensed into a single, infinitesimally small point of infinite mass.
 
2013-02-01 09:38:36 PM  
My time with 56k was blessedly short. By 1996 I had 3Mbps DSL. In 2000 I had twice that because I signed up for a beta-test of a digital TV service. It sucked to move down to 1.5 Mbps ADSL when I moved to Ontario. So I tend to associate the sound of a modem with the end of a Stargate SG-1 rerun than I do with memories of getting onto the 'Net.
 
2013-02-01 09:44:51 PM  
Remembers acsii porn...still wonders why there was ascii porn...and disco.
 
2013-02-01 09:52:46 PM  
Stop, modulate and listen.
 
2013-02-01 09:52:51 PM  
www.mailsend-online.com

My first modem. Came with a rotary dial phone which I still have. Also had 2 hours of free COMPUSERVE!
 
2013-02-01 09:57:26 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Zarquon's Flat Tire: You know, to a horticulturist, that was damn near gibberish.

If you mean the frequencies and amplitudes that the modems used to communicate, it helps to listen to it slowed down to human speed.

The two machines basically say "hello" and then test the quality of the connection by saturating the analog bandwidth.

It's actually quite beautiful.


That was the second most terrifying thing I've heard all week. The first most was the link on that video taking me to a Justin Bieber song slowed down 800x.
 
2013-02-01 10:12:48 PM  

Rising Ape: RexTalionis: I'm sorry, but do you not use a modem now to go online?

Indeed you do, unless you're lucky enough to have fibre to the home.



I have a fiber connection in the home and a modem is still a must. How else are you going to transmit data between the multitude of broadbnd dependent devices in modern households? My phones jump to my modem for data when they are within range, it powers my tablet, Xbox, and probably something else I cant remember.

On topic, how do you disable the little yellow ad plea bar at the top of the page when you have AdBlock enabled?
 
2013-02-01 10:18:17 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Zombalupagus: xenomorpheus: MrEricSir: Mikey1969: 300baud: Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when hard drives were a "new" copncept, modems were somethign only the programming teacher had, and color CRT monitors were a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when wheels were a "new" copncept, fire was somethign only the cooking teacher had, and colored fabric was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember the day saw a large  black rectangular object and started killing other chimps with bones and stuff.

Noob.

I remember God mumbling something about creating something new called "dirt".

Noob.

I remember when all of the matter in the universe was condensed into a single, infinitesimally small point of infinite mass.


I've been stuck in an eleven dimensional multiverse for all eternity, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2013-02-01 10:20:58 PM  

Gortex: Marcus Aurelius: Zarquon's Flat Tire: You know, to a horticulturist, that was damn near gibberish.

If you mean the frequencies and amplitudes that the modems used to communicate, it helps to listen to it slowed down to human speed.

The two machines basically say "hello" and then test the quality of the connection by saturating the analog bandwidth.

It's actually quite beautiful.

That was the second most terrifying thing I've heard all week. The first most was the link on that video taking me to a Justin Bieber song slowed down 800x.


Does anyone still have Jurassic Park slowed down 800x?
 
2013-02-01 10:31:21 PM  

Fano: Gortex: Marcus Aurelius: Zarquon's Flat Tire: You know, to a horticulturist, that was damn near gibberish.

If you mean the frequencies and amplitudes that the modems used to communicate, it helps to listen to it slowed down to human speed.

The two machines basically say "hello" and then test the quality of the connection by saturating the analog bandwidth.

It's actually quite beautiful.

That was the second most terrifying thing I've heard all week. The first most was the link on that video taking me to a Justin Bieber song slowed down 800x.

Does anyone still have Jurassic Park slowed down 800x?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w-58hQ9dLk

ok so not really, but it's still incredible
 
2013-02-01 10:32:49 PM  

unyon: Rising Ape: RexTalionis: I'm sorry, but do you not use a modem now to go online?

Indeed you do, unless you're lucky enough to have fibre to the home or in a bizarre enough situation to be still using ISDN.

Can't tell how fast your ADSL modem has connected by listening to the handshake, though.

Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem.  That term refers to devices that  MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.

We just keep calling that device that connects to the outside world a modem, because it's a generally understood term.  But unless you're on dialup, they no longer do what the name implies.


Actually, they all use modems. Just about every form of telecommunications requires some form of modulation and demodulation.

This applies to wireless on your home network as well as many fiber network equipment.
 
2013-02-01 10:35:20 PM  
I NEED that as a poster. Farking awesome. I miss those days. There's more to do online now, but stuff is just so...antiseptic.
 
2013-02-01 10:42:38 PM  
Booky for when not on mobile.
 
2013-02-01 10:46:44 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-01 10:47:25 PM  

imgod2u: unyon: Rising Ape: RexTalionis: I'm sorry, but do you not use a modem now to go online?

Indeed you do, unless you're lucky enough to have fibre to the home or in a bizarre enough situation to be still using ISDN.

Can't tell how fast your ADSL modem has connected by listening to the handshake, though.

Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem.  That term refers to devices that  MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.

We just keep calling that device that connects to the outside world a modem, because it's a generally understood term.  But unless you're on dialup, they no longer do what the name implies.

Actually, they all use modems. Just about every form of telecommunications requires some form of modulation and demodulation.

This applies to wireless on your home network as well as many fiber network equipment.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-02-01 10:49:25 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Lord Dimwit: Marcus Aurelius: xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already

Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.

I can't remember who said it but I always liked the quote (paraphrased here): "the problem with modern programmers isn't that they can't stuff a device driver into a spare 24 bytes they found in unused scratch memory, but that they won't even try."

There were times when I agonized over less memory than that.  And you're right, a computer geek today has no concept of some of the underlying technologies that are still there, but under so many layers of microcode and OS software that they're invisible.


Moving stuff around in small model programs because everything had to fit in 16k, and paging out blocks of it so you could make a larger program without having to go to large model and rewrite all your memory access routines.

AAAAHHHH. I need a drink.
 
2013-02-01 11:01:46 PM  

Hack Patooey: Marcus Aurelius: Lord Dimwit: Marcus Aurelius: xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already

Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.

I can't remember who said it but I always liked the quote (paraphrased here): "the problem with modern programmers isn't that they can't stuff a device driver into a spare 24 bytes they found in unused scratch memory, but that they won't even try."

There were times when I agonized over less memory than that.  And you're right, a computer geek today has no concept of some of the underlying technologies that are still there, but under so many layers of microcode and OS software that they're invisible.

Moving stuff around in small model programs because everything had to fit in 16k, and paging out blocks of it so you could make a larger program without having to go to large model and rewrite all your memory access routines.

AAAAHHHH. I need a drink.


Back in 6502 land, three decades ago, I had a virtualized upper memory 2 KB store system paged out in a 1 KB swap routine into a 5 megabyte hard drive with an 8 bit HPIB interface.  The hardware (on top of the Commodore 8032) cost me nearly $2500, and charged the customer the usual markup.

They didn't bat an eye.
 
2013-02-01 11:19:22 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: 8 bit HPIB


They still use that.  Had to buy some for a customer.  $3000 pcb with a 45 year old interconnect...
Me: "hey gais we got like usb, ethernet and stuff nowadays right?"
Engineers:"NO! OUR OSCILLOSCOPES MUST USE INTERCONNECTS OLDER THAN ANYONE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT!"
Me:"okies....."
 
2013-02-01 11:24:50 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: styckx: Trumpet Winsock was the bane of my existence.

I HATED that program.  Whatchamacallit TCP/IP came out and kicked their asses in about 1991 if I recall.


TCP/IP came out 30 years ago. Winsock was a Windows protocol module based on the BSD socket model. It allowed easier porting of Unix apps that used sockets for communication. Finally Microsoft got around to properly write its own TCP/IP stack and shipped it with NT in 1994.
 
2013-02-01 11:52:18 PM  

PepperFreak: Fano: Gortex: Marcus Aurelius: Zarquon's Flat Tire: You know, to a horticulturist, that was damn near gibberish.

If you mean the frequencies and amplitudes that the modems used to communicate, it helps to listen to it slowed down to human speed.

The two machines basically say "hello" and then test the quality of the connection by saturating the analog bandwidth.

It's actually quite beautiful.

That was the second most terrifying thing I've heard all week. The first most was the link on that video taking me to a Justin Bieber song slowed down 800x.

Does anyone still have Jurassic Park slowed down 800x?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w-58hQ9dLk

ok so not really, but it's still incredible


http://soundcloud.com/birdfeeder/jurassic-park-theme-1000-slower

Here we go. I favorited the Fark thread on it, but the video got removed at some point.
 
2013-02-02 12:01:23 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: imgod2u: unyon: Rising Ape: RexTalionis: I'm sorry, but do you not use a modem now to go online?

Indeed you do, unless you're lucky enough to have fibre to the home or in a bizarre enough situation to be still using ISDN.

Can't tell how fast your ADSL modem has connected by listening to the handshake, though.

Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem.  That term refers to devices that  MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.

We just keep calling that device that connects to the outside world a modem, because it's a generally understood term.  But unless you're on dialup, they no longer do what the name implies.

Actually, they all use modems. Just about every form of telecommunications requires some form of modulation and demodulation.

This applies to wireless on your home network as well as many fiber network equipment.

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 290x200]


Other Barry, do you care for unrelated image replies?
 
2013-02-02 12:12:32 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
Hottest looking modem ever.
 
2013-02-02 12:16:05 AM  

Lord Dimwit: Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.

I remember when getting a 1200 baud modem was a significant upgrade. Get off my lawn. ;)


My first was 300.

/come mow my lawn
 
2013-02-02 12:29:31 AM  

Lord Dimwit: Marcus Aurelius: xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already

Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.

I can't remember who said it but I always liked the quote (paraphrased here): "the problem with modern programmers isn't that they can't stuff a device driver into a spare 24 bytes they found in unused scratch memory, but that they won't even try."


Not many programmers know assembly code now. I used to stuff code in the cassette buffer of my C64. Mostly auto loaders and such.
 
2013-02-02 12:43:29 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike"


"You are in a maze of  little twisty passages, all alike"

Yep.
 
2013-02-02 01:05:10 AM  
He coulda phreaked it up a bit more and explained the dialing sequence on a DMTF is dual-tone which is why each number dialed produced two distinct signature tones

You could lose a whole row or column and not be able to dial any number that used a number in that row/column.
 
2013-02-02 01:09:06 AM  
my first experience with the online world was when some guy brought a mac to our GT class and dialed up the WELL (which was very new then) and showed us around. a few months later most of us had modems (i got a 2400 baud, and nothing much else for xmas that year) and we were all in on the local BBSs.

a few years later this mutant chick and i were hanging out at my squat (you couldn't buy such a nice place for $300000, even in the butthole, texas in which it was located) and i found out that she was the person that i repeatedly beat the hell out of in some BBS game.

good times, good times.

/ that couch was awesome
 
2013-02-02 01:39:55 AM  

the801: my first experience with the online world was when some guy brought a mac to our GT class and dialed up the WELL (which was very new then) and showed us around. a few months later most of us had modems (i got a 2400 baud, and nothing much else for xmas that year) and we were all in on the local BBSs.

a few years later this mutant chick and i were hanging out at my squat (you couldn't buy such a nice place for $300000, even in the butthole, texas in which it was located) and i found out that she was the person that i repeatedly beat the hell out of in some BBS game.

good times, good times.

/ that couch was awesome


I miss my old BBS's, Aesopian, Deadly Sins
 
2013-02-02 01:51:02 AM  

Mrbogey: He coulda phreaked it up a bit more and explained the dialing sequence on a DMTF is dual-tone which is why each number dialed produced two distinct signature tones

You could lose a whole row or column and not be able to dial any number that used a number in that row/column.


Bonus geekery: There's actually a 4x4 matrix, although the last row was reserved for what was called "in-band signalling", otherwise known as.. um, lemme check the statute of limitations first...
 
2013-02-02 01:54:36 AM  
When I was a kid in 1983 or so, my dad and one of his technophile friends both had modems and decided to set up a chat session. I remember the characters struggling to come across. We had a TI-99 4/a. I don't recall the modem or his friend's specs

/CSB
 
2013-02-02 02:15:46 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already

Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-02 02:28:50 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: jtown: It didn't take all night.  More like 5-10 minutes for a high res (640x480) GIF.  And that was back in the 2400bps days.

Those "high resolution" JPEGs were a killer, though.  It took long enough that I could finish fapping to the Persian Kitty purrfect pose of the week before anything actually interesting showed up on the screen.


I remember some images taking up to 20 minutes.. and they were GIFs.  The first JPEG I had took about 10 minutes for my 286 to render down to 256 colors for display on my screen..
 
2013-02-02 04:12:58 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Zombalupagus: xenomorpheus: MrEricSir: Mikey1969: 300baud: Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when hard drives were a "new" copncept, modems were somethign only the programming teacher had, and color CRT monitors were a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when wheels were a "new" copncept, fire was somethign only the cooking teacher had, and colored fabric was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember the day saw a large  black rectangular object and started killing other chimps with bones and stuff.

Noob.

I remember God mumbling something about creating something new called "dirt".

Noob.

I remember when all of the matter in the universe was condensed into a single, infinitesimally small point of infinite mass.


Noob...

i.imm.io
 
2013-02-02 05:50:39 AM  
imgs.xkcd.com
So very very true..
 
2013-02-02 07:21:10 AM  
Actually, my first modem and BBS habit probably made me the fittest I've ever been.

'Oh well, 20-30 minute wait for it to finish, can't use the computer for anything else.. guess I'll use this weight bench here in the meantime..'
 
2013-02-02 09:43:21 AM  

Fano: t

I miss my old BBS's, Aesopian, Deadly Sins


Toronto BBSs I used to hang out on:
Moonshine Runners
The Prison Mistress
Conan's Den

Hamilton BBSs:
Nihilist Glee Club
The Tavern
Creative Arts Base
Zaphod's Playground

There were others too but I can no longer remember the names.
 
2013-02-02 09:50:18 AM  
ATH1
I currently use the handshake as my cell's ring tones
ATH0
 
2013-02-02 09:58:12 AM  
Thank you porn.
 
2013-02-02 09:58:34 AM  
Met my wife on a BBS, so getting a kick....
 
2013-02-02 10:54:48 AM  

MisterTweak: Bonus geekery: There's actually a 4x4 matrix, although the last row was reserved for what was called "in-band signalling", otherwise known as.. um, lemme check the statute of limitations first...


Yup. They don't teach this stuff any more and the phone network has changed enough to secure against end-users doing prohibited things. There's a lot of stuff people could do to "mess" with the phone network but it would take a bit more work and get you a plane ticket to Gitmo.

You can still get a free nightlight though.
 
2013-02-02 10:58:56 AM  

Mrbogey: MisterTweak: Bonus geekery: There's actually a 4x4 matrix, although the last row was reserved for what was called "in-band signalling", otherwise known as.. um, lemme check the statute of limitations first...

Yup. They don't teach this stuff any more and the phone network has changed enough to secure against end-users doing prohibited things. There's a lot of stuff people could do to "mess" with the phone network but it would take a bit more work and get you a plane ticket to Gitmo.

You can still get a free nightlight though.


And I just noticed that I typoed DTMF (dialtone motherfarker)(actually dual tone multi-freq).
 
2013-02-02 11:37:00 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Ah, the good old days when you could put '+++ATH' in your signature and figure out who had bought the cheap modems.

Fun fact - the Hayes command set never went away, it just evolved into GSM. If your cell phone lets you talk directly to the baseband chipset (e.g. Nokia N900) you can dial a number or send a text message with AT commands.


As someone that worked at Hayes for 13+ years, I support this sentiment ;)
 
2013-02-02 11:46:10 AM  
Mrbogey:
And I just noticed that I typoed DTMF (dialtone motherfarker)(actually dual tone multi-freq).

Oh my god, that is exactly how I remembered that acronym!
 
2013-02-02 12:29:35 PM  
Trade Wars anyone?
 
2013-02-02 12:31:38 PM  

Ghastly: [www.mailsend-online.com image 400x235]

My first modem. Came with a rotary dial phone which I still have. Also had 2 hours of free COMPUSERVE!


OK Ghast, as far as I'm concerned, you win the "off my lawn" prize for this thread.  I had utterly and completel;y forgot about those.

Wow, and her I thought I was old school with my 8088 machine w/ a1200 baud in HS!
 
2013-02-02 01:11:01 PM  

Dragonflew: Mrbogey:
And I just noticed that I typoed DTMF (dialtone motherfarker)(actually dual tone multi-freq).

Oh my god, that is exactly how I remembered that acronym!


The mnemonics tend to get handed down generation to generation. Alas, the heyday of dial-up ended as I came to be. My earliest modem was a 1200 baud modem. I didn't have any friends who passed along any BBS's to me as I grew up the only geek in my circle so the modem was seldom used.
 
2013-02-02 01:39:02 PM  
At first I thought that would make a good screen background. Then, after looking at it for a while I thought no, it wouldn't.
 
2013-02-02 01:51:19 PM  

Mrbogey: Dragonflew: Mrbogey:
And I just noticed that I typoed DTMF (dialtone motherfarker)(actually dual tone multi-freq).

Oh my god, that is exactly how I remembered that acronym!

The mnemonics tend to get handed down generation to generation. Alas, the heyday of dial-up ended as I came to be. My earliest modem was a 1200 baud modem. I didn't have any friends who passed along any BBS's to me as I grew up the only geek in my circle so the modem was seldom used.


My first was a 1200 as well, connected to a C64 with an ANSI emulator.  I thought I came up with Dialtone Motherfarker myself, but I guess it's the obvious choice. No one passed it down to me.
 
2013-02-02 02:40:28 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Lord Dimwit: Marcus Aurelius: xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already

Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.

I can't remember who said it but I always liked the quote (paraphrased here): "the problem with modern programmers isn't that they can't stuff a device driver into a spare 24 bytes they found in unused scratch memory, but that they won't even try."

There were times when I agonized over less memory than that.  And you're right, a computer geek today has no concept of some of the underlying technologies that are still there, but under so many layers of microcode and OS software that they're invisible.


Trust me, I'm aware. It still was amazing to me when I learned what tar (the linux command) stood for- tape archive. Because people still use tapes today...
I really want to get into OS development...
 
2013-02-02 02:45:42 PM  

imgod2u: unyon: Rising Ape: RexTalionis: I'm sorry, but do you not use a modem now to go online?

Indeed you do, unless you're lucky enough to have fibre to the home or in a bizarre enough situation to be still using ISDN.

Can't tell how fast your ADSL modem has connected by listening to the handshake, though.

Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem.  That term refers to devices that  MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.

We just keep calling that device that connects to the outside world a modem, because it's a generally understood term.  But unless you're on dialup, they no longer do what the name implies.

Actually, they all use modems. Just about every form of telecommunications requires some form of modulation and demodulation.

This applies to wireless on your home network as well as many fiber network equipment.


I wish I knew more about how Cable actually works. Anyone have good documentation?
 
2013-02-02 10:58:12 PM  

Rockstone: Marcus Aurelius: Lord Dimwit: Marcus Aurelius: xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already

Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.

I can't remember who said it but I always liked the quote (paraphrased here): "the problem with modern programmers isn't that they can't stuff a device driver into a spare 24 bytes they found in unused scratch memory, but that they won't even try."

There were times when I agonized over less memory than that.  And you're right, a computer geek today has no concept of some of the underlying technologies that are still there, but under so many layers of microcode and OS software that they're invisible.

Trust me, I'm aware. It still was amazing to me when I learned what tar (the linux command) stood for- tape archive. Because people still use tapes today...
I really want to get into OS development...


Just wait until you find out why the "interactive delete" command in Unix was for a long time named "dsw".
 
2013-02-03 12:10:54 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: 300baud: Mikey1969: 300baud: Uncle Pooky: I remember when getting a 14,400 baud modem was a significant upgrade.

Noob.

I remember days when hard drives were a "new" copncept, modems were somethign only the programming teacher had, and color CRT monitors were a significant upgrade.

Noob.  I remember moving up from punch cards and saving programs on magnetic tape three or more times, because it was very likely you wouldn't be able to restore.  All upper case character sets.  Memory measured in bytes.  My first modem was an acoustic coupler; I think it was 150 baud though it may have been 110, I'm ashamed I can't remember.

Back in MYYYYY DAYYYY we didn't have no fancy MOOOO-DEMMMS and we had to make all the noises over the phone ourselves.


Using a 2600-Hz whistle, I suppose?
 
2013-02-03 12:13:46 AM  

Rockstone: imgod2u: unyon: Rising Ape: RexTalionis: I'm sorry, but do you not use a modem now to go online?

Indeed you do, unless you're lucky enough to have fibre to the home or in a bizarre enough situation to be still using ISDN.

Can't tell how fast your ADSL modem has connected by listening to the handshake, though.

Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem.  That term refers to devices that  MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.

We just keep calling that device that connects to the outside world a modem, because it's a generally understood term.  But unless you're on dialup, they no longer do what the name implies.

Actually, they all use modems. Just about every form of telecommunications requires some form of modulation and demodulation.

This applies to wireless on your home network as well as many fiber network equipment.

I wish I knew more about how Cable actually works. Anyone have good documentation?


Essentially similar to most wireless communications -- multi-level QAM. DOCSIS will be the most interesting as it moves to wide channel OFDM like LTE in North America.
 
2013-02-03 12:13:31 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: unyon: Actually, If you're on DSL or cable, you don't use a modem. That term refers to devices that MOdulate and DEModulate tones over a PSTN.

We just keep calling that device that connects to the outside world a modem, because it's a generally understood term. But unless you're on dialup, they no longer do what the name implies.

Sorry, they do exactly what the name implies. That's why we call them that. Just like I call you a dumbass, not because it's implied, but because you are. Aren't you a pretty feverish Space Nutter too? That would explain your limited grasp on high school level fundamentals.


I stand corrected- I had presumed that connectivity was fully digital these days, But it does indeed mod/demod the digital data onto an RF carrier.

I have no idea what you mean by space nutter, so I presume you're thinking of someone else.  The only thing that I've extracted from this exchange, other than being corrected, is that I've had to adjust my opinion of you from intelligent nice guy to condescending prick.

So there's that.
 
2013-02-03 02:58:13 PM  

23FPB23: PROCOMM+ FTW


hear, hear!
 
2013-02-03 10:42:32 PM  
1978: Storage room between two classrooms, housing the TTY Printer, connected by acoustic coupler (300 BAUD) to the LAUSD (L.A. Unified School District). The only computer on my high-school campus. 1 or 2 hours access a day, if we were lucky, playing Star Trek and eating up rolls of yellow paper. Occasionally hacking into ARPANET. Programming in BASIC, to create NPC generators for D&D.

/csb
//lawn etc.
 
2013-02-04 12:29:48 AM  
Used to deal with this all the time when I was Database Manager for a Satellite Telecommunications firm.

Tracking all the wireless modems we had for North America, 24/7/365, had to be up 5 nines.

Planes, trains & automobiles (ok, trucks and emergency vehicles, but that doesn't sound as nice)

/burnt me the hell out...
 
2013-02-04 01:03:18 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: xenomorpheus: very nice graphic, I need to see about making one of these for my company's dial-up network service and our bearer services.  I think my 286 was the first computer I had that I added a modem to so I could scour BBS systems

for you kids out there, BBS was , aw hell go wiki it already

Positive luxury.  I had to solder a pair of Motorola serial I/O chips onto the motherboard of a Commodore 8032 and write my own comm routines in 8 bit assembler to get onto the local BBS.

And we were glad.


Right.  I used to get up at half past 10 and night (half and hour before I went to bed), eat a lump of freezing cold poison, then modulate/demodulate the signals by hand.

But you try telling the young people of today that, and they won't believe you.
 
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