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(Guardian)   Legislatures in Colorado, Missouri, Montana and Oklahoma are prepared to prove that evolution in those states is pointless   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 273
    More: Asinine, Colorado, Missouri, teaching of evolution, Homi Bhabha Centre for Science Education, conservatisms, origin of life, education policy  
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2013-02-01 11:26:02 AM  
Teach it.... show the world how ridiculous it sounds that a magic sky fairy created all this in 7 days and then aged it to look millions of years old.

Even kids need a good laugh in school from time to time.
 
2013-02-01 11:32:52 AM  
Religion should not be taught in science class. Save religion for the religion class and let student's learn all they want about EVERY religion. Not as a way to indoctrinate them into religion, but to learn everything they can so they can make an informed decision. Everyone knows that the most radical religious people usually have very little knowledge or understanding of what their religion actually says/practices.
 
2013-02-01 11:37:06 AM  
Public schools in Texas are teaching that astronauts have discovered "a day missing in space in elapsed time" that affirms biblical stories of the sun standing still and moving backwards.

They also teach (direct quote here...) """e need to get a perspective on how the world became so diverse. The scriptures unlock this mystery by revealing us [sic] the creation and spread of cultures through Noah's sixteen grandsons."

There's a lot of stupid out there.
 
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2013-02-01 11:45:52 AM  
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2013-02-01 11:54:06 AM  
Well it looks like they moved on from Intelligent Design.  Same hogwash, different packaging.
 
2013-02-01 12:08:40 PM  
...the proposed laws were framed around the concept of "academic freedom". It argues that religious motives are disguised by the language of encouraging more open debate in school classrooms.

OK.  Let's start with this theory:

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

I'm sure the folks who are pushing for greater academic freedom will have no problem with this.
 
2013-02-01 12:14:55 PM  
Religious conservatives are doing everything they can do ruin that "greatest country in the world" thing.  No wonder we lag behind so many other countries when it comes to science education.  Jesus farking Christ.
 
2013-02-01 12:16:01 PM  
I am fairly certain John Hickenlooper won't sign that bill into law in Colorado.
 
2013-02-01 12:54:13 PM  

Trivia Jockey: Religious conservatives are doing everything they can do ruin that "greatest country in the world" thing.  No wonder we lag behind so many other countries when it comes to science education.  Jesus farking Christ.


Exactly.
 
2013-02-01 01:08:49 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: I am fairly certain John Hickenlooper won't sign that bill into law in Colorado.


Kickin' Pooper!!!
Maybe one of our Best Gov's in a long time...
 
2013-02-01 01:33:05 PM  

Dixon Cider: Teach it.... show the world how ridiculous it sounds that a magic sky fairy created all this in 7 days and then aged it to look millions of years old.

Even kids need a good laugh in school from time to time.


This is what I was thinking. It sounds like a good idea until you realize that these people don't want -- can't want -- "critical thinking" or any any kind of analysis of their beliefs at all. Because the evidence is so overwhelming for the scientific model and so thoroughly disproves creationism, "teaching the controversy" would effectively operate to show there is in fact no controversy whatsoever that creationism is nothing more than mythology.

So you have to wonder what the long game is. I suspect that once the foot was in the door to teaching creationism, the next step would be prohibiting teaching actual science that conflicts with the baseless dogma they are trying to push.
 
2013-02-01 01:39:22 PM  

gilgigamesh: Because the evidence is so overwhelming for the scientific model and so thoroughly disproves creationism, "teaching the controversy" would effectively operate to show there is in fact no controversy whatsoever that creationism is nothing more than mythology.


Depends on how young the kids are, where they live, and whether or not they attend Sunday school.  If Sunday school teaches the kids creationism, and they see it backed up in "normal" school, it could take root.
 
2013-02-01 01:41:05 PM  

Diogenes: Well it looks like they moved on from Intelligent Design.


The current strategy tends to be "academic freedom", a minor rebrand of the "teach the controversy" approach whose well has been quite thoroughly poisoned.

controversy.wearscience.com


There's a term in biology/ecology, for when one species acts to alter the environment to broaden the ecological niches available for other species. The "academic freedom" approach appears to be a similar niche-broadening species of meme, allowing more room for the design and creationist approaches to compete against evolution (and for climate change denial to compete against anthropogenic climate change).
 
2013-02-01 01:45:04 PM  

Trivia Jockey: gilgigamesh: Because the evidence is so overwhelming for the scientific model and so thoroughly disproves creationism, "teaching the controversy" would effectively operate to show there is in fact no controversy whatsoever that creationism is nothing more than mythology.

Depends on how young the kids are, where they live, and whether or not they attend Sunday school.  If Sunday school teaches the kids creationism, and they see it backed up in "normal" school, it could take root.


I assume you would start teaching creationism as an alternative to cosmology, earth sciences and biology, so at the high school level.  At an age when people can think for themselves and apply some rational thought to what they are being taught.

If you are going to just start drilling nonsense into the heads of five year olds that God made the earth whole 5,000 years ago that would be no more than brain washing.... which I guess is the point.  Hm.
 
2013-02-01 01:47:19 PM  
Not that I would be in favor of any of this, just to be clear.  I see no point whatsoever to wasting class time to teach kids things that don't exist, simply in order to appease a block of the electorate.
 
2013-02-01 01:49:00 PM  

gilgigamesh: I assume you would start teaching creationism as an alternative to cosmology, earth sciences and biology, so at the high school level.


Considering the states that usually try this nonsense, I really doubt that's the case.
 
2013-02-01 01:51:57 PM  
Colorado, what have you been smoking? Oh, wait.
 
2013-02-01 01:55:54 PM  
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2013-02-01 02:02:55 PM  
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2013-02-01 02:08:13 PM  
Witch-doctors' misguided attempt to preserve their power.
 
2013-02-01 02:10:06 PM  
"Academic Freedom" - a much nicer term than "My butthurt trumps your facts so LALALALALALALA"
 
2013-02-01 02:13:14 PM  
Let them grow up ignorant.  Then watch the infallable Free MarketTM decide if they're worth a living wage when they "graduate."
 
2013-02-01 02:16:52 PM  
Colorado thankfully has a democratic-controlled state legislature. It doesn't stand a chance here. Unfortunately, we have to tolerate the kooks down in Colorado Springs where all this drivel is conceived and puked out on the rest of the state.
 
2013-02-01 02:24:14 PM  

abb3w: Diogenes: Well it looks like they moved on from Intelligent Design.

The current strategy tends to be "academic freedom", a minor rebrand of the "teach the controversy" approach whose well has been quite thoroughly poisoned.

[controversy.wearscience.com image 450x450]

There's a term in biology/ecology, for when one species acts to alter the environment to broaden the ecological niches available for other species. The "academic freedom" approach appears to be a similar niche-broadening species of meme, allowing more room for the design and creationist approaches to compete against evolution (and for climate change denial to compete against anthropogenic climate change).


I certainly didn't expect to learn something in this thread.  Yet here we are.  :-)

Makes sense though.  If the structures and standards that are commonly accepted to no permit you to shoehorn your ideas in (because they don't naturally belong), remake those structures and standards.  Deny the existing framework and systems.
 
2013-02-01 02:26:37 PM  
0% chance it passes in Colorado
 
2013-02-01 02:27:15 PM  
Colorado I thought you were better than that.
 
2013-02-01 02:30:26 PM  

Savian: Colorado I thought you were better than that.


Remember that Fundie Central is there in Colorado Springs.
 
2013-02-01 02:31:29 PM  

vernonFL:


I wish George Carlin was alive. That is hilarious. He would have a field day with nonsense like that.
 
2013-02-01 02:31:33 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: ...the proposed laws were framed around the concept of "academic freedom". It argues that religious motives are disguised by the language of encouraging more open debate in school classrooms.

OK.  Let's start with this theory:

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I'm sure the folks who are pushing for greater academic freedom will have no problem with this.


www2.hawaii.edu
Teach the controversy
 
2013-02-01 02:31:50 PM  

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 190x266]


That's good stuff.
 
2013-02-01 02:36:49 PM  
don't you see there's Academic Freedom and there's "Academic Freedom." Same words but the meanings are polar opposites.
 
2013-02-01 02:37:18 PM  

netizencain: Public schools in Texas are teaching that astronauts have discovered "a day missing in space in elapsed time" that affirms biblical stories of the sun standing still and moving backwards.


I heard about this, but I have no idea what their babbling about. Could anybody here provide me with an explanation of just what this is supposed to mean?
 
2013-02-01 02:37:47 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: I am fairly certain John Hickenlooper won't sign that bill into law in Colorado.


Colorado a won't even get that far. Both houses are controlled by Dems, and for some reason the GOP response is to propose weird shiat that only appeals to the base. I'm guessing to campaign in 2014 on how the Dems rammed their policies through and dismissed the needs of Real America.
 
2013-02-01 02:39:11 PM  
Luckily the Dems control both house and senate so this thing is DOA.

I was going to bag on Colorado Springs but both of the sponsors are from Greeley.
 
2013-02-01 02:41:48 PM  

VitruvianMonkey: netizencain: Public schools in Texas are teaching that astronauts have discovered "a day missing in space in elapsed time" that affirms biblical stories of the sun standing still and moving backwards.

I heard about this, but I have no idea what their babbling about. Could anybody here provide me with an explanation of just what this is supposed to mean?


Nevermind. I found it.
 
2013-02-01 02:41:54 PM  
I'm ok with this, though a bit embarrassed to be in St. Louis having seen this story.

Really, it would take 1 minute:

"Or, God said *poof*."
 
2013-02-01 02:42:50 PM  
When the "Academic Freedom" dongsneezes were pushing it here in Pennsylvania they came to testify at a Senate hearing -- and they brought along a high school student to testify about how he was being permanently damaged by his science classes because (I paraphrase): Being forced to learn something I disagree with violates the Constitution.
 
2013-02-01 02:42:54 PM  
VitruvianMonkey

 In the Old testament a warrior prophet (I forget the name) ordered the sun to stand still so that he could have more daylight to slay more heathens. The creationist have concocted a myth that NASA has discovered a "missing day" in the space time continuum thereby "proving" the literal truth of the Biblical story.

  Of course NASA discovered no such thing but since when has the truth ever stopped anybody?.
 
2013-02-01 02:43:05 PM  
Why is there such a strong correlation with those that refuse to believe in evolution and inbreeding?
 
2013-02-01 02:43:13 PM  
Montana?  I thought they were better than this.
 
2013-02-01 02:44:49 PM  

Citrate1007: Why is there such a strong correlation with those that refuse to believe in evolution and inbreeding?


God has a sense of humor?
 
2013-02-01 02:45:08 PM  
Can't wait for this to take hold in Wisconsin! Come on Walker you can push this through!!!
 
2013-02-01 02:46:41 PM  

Delawheredad: In the Old testament a warrior prophet (I forget the name) ordered the sun to stand still so that he could have more daylight to slay more heathens. The creationist have concocted a myth that NASA has discovered a "missing day" in the space time continuum thereby "proving" the literal truth of the Biblical story.


What does that even mean? It is gibbering nonsense.
 
2013-02-01 02:49:35 PM  

gilgigamesh: Dixon Cider: Teach it.... show the world how ridiculous it sounds that a magic sky fairy created all this in 7 days and then aged it to look millions of years old.

Even kids need a good laugh in school from time to time.

This is what I was thinking. It sounds like a good idea until you realize that these people don't want -- can't want -- "critical thinking" or any any kind of analysis of their beliefs at all. Because the evidence is so overwhelming for the scientific model and so thoroughly disproves creationism, "teaching the controversy" would effectively operate to show there is in fact no controversy whatsoever that creationism is nothing more than mythology.

So you have to wonder what the long game is. I suspect that once the foot was in the door to teaching creationism, the next step would be prohibiting teaching actual science that conflicts with the baseless dogma they are trying to push.


The next step would be to assign equal 'weights' to each side of the controversy regardless of actual weight of evidence. Having provided a preceived equal possibility in the minds of preprogrammed religious kids, guess which way they chose. It wouldn't be far off that teaching of evolution was banned. Your country should fear the corrupting power of fundementalism...but not from the Muslims
 
2013-02-01 02:50:47 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Delawheredad: In the Old testament a warrior prophet (I forget the name) ordered the sun to stand still so that he could have more daylight to slay more heathens. The creationist have concocted a myth that NASA has discovered a "missing day" in the space time continuum thereby "proving" the literal truth of the Biblical story.

What does that even mean? It is gibbering nonsense.


geektonic.fr
 
2013-02-01 02:51:29 PM  
gettin' real sick of your bullsh*t, religious fundamentalists.

/But I do not feel obliged to believe that the same  God who has endowed us with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to  forego their use
 
2013-02-01 02:52:03 PM  
Begun the second dark age has
 
2013-02-01 02:52:31 PM  
I don't think it will fly in Colorado, but I could be wrong.

The evangelical Libertarian-Christians here are more concerned with welfare cheats and all the other evils of socialism.
 
2013-02-01 02:53:37 PM  
Sounds like these idiots are in need of a SCOTUS smack-down.
 
2013-02-01 02:54:59 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Religion should not be taught in science class. Save religion for the religion class and let student's learn all they want about EVERY religion. Not as a way to indoctrinate them into religion, but to learn everything they can so they can make an informed decision. Everyone knows that the most radical religious people usually have very little knowledge or understanding of what their religion actually says/practices.


WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM AND THEREFORE AMERICA???one?
 
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