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(Washington Post)   "As long as compromise is seen as something akin to treason, it becomes impossible for us to move the policy ball forward." What the bloody fark is Jon Huntsman planning?   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-02-01 10:15:03 AM  
I don't know what he's planning...but the Republican leadership isn't going to take his comments very well.  you DO NOT question the GOP 'conventional wisdom' that compromise with Obama or the Democrats is evil.  Nor do you break ranks, question the GOP leadership or the basic assumptions of the Republican platform.
 
2013-02-01 10:39:43 AM  
Same as Christie, Jindal, etc.

Goddamn RINO Libdumbs. HANG THEM!
 
2013-02-01 10:45:10 AM  
I mean, he could just feel that the GOP has become anti-compromise and feel obligated or inspired to try and do something about it. I know we're all cynical about politics for good reason, but the whole article is basically, "John Huntsman is doing good things that won't benefit him personally. What is his angle!?!?"
 
2013-02-01 10:47:09 AM  
Huntsman should just give up and either go Independent, or just switch to D.  The GOP is too far gone to listen to reason.
 
2013-02-01 10:47:15 AM  
Sounds like the party needs another purge

/this should be fun
 
2013-02-01 10:50:10 AM  
Huntsman is one of the few sane minds the GOP has left.
In a better world, he would have a lot more influence,
 
2013-02-01 10:50:25 AM  
Boring story said nothing.
 
2013-02-01 10:50:57 AM  
What the bloody fark is Jon Huntsman planning?

Running against Jindal as "the sane Republican" in 2016.
 
2013-02-01 10:54:36 AM  
I could live with a Republican president similar to Ronald Reagan if one was elected. The McCain and Romney types scare the crap out me. If the GOP would have ran a Reagan Republican they would have probably beat Obama this time around.
 
2013-02-01 10:54:42 AM  

mahuika: John Huntsman is doing good things that won't benefit him personally. What is his angle!?!?"


I'm pretty sure distancing himself from the current state of the GOP benefits him immensely.
 
2013-02-01 10:55:50 AM  
All this talk about reforming the Republican Party.

Great, do it. You show me a party that is for less government intrusion and is pro Constitution (like, ALL of the amendments, including the second) without being xenophobic, homophobic, erotophobic and racist and we'll talk.

We'll still be stuck on economics, seeing as how I believe Reaganomics is responsible for damn near all of the money woes this country is facing, but we can at least have a conversation.
 
2013-02-01 10:56:11 AM  

Granny_Panties: I could live with a Republican president similar to Ronald Reagan if one was elected. The McCain and Romney types scare the crap out me. If the GOP would have ran a Reagan Republican they would have probably beat Obama this time around.


Like they would have stood a chance in the primaries.
 
2013-02-01 10:58:20 AM  
But "No Labels" is hardly an ideal launching pad for a Republican with designs on winning a GOP primary. Which begs the question: What, exactly, is Huntsman doing?

it means Huntsman was invited somewhere. i'm pretty sure if you invited him to a mall opening, he'd show up with his own big scissors.
 
2013-02-01 10:58:22 AM  
It's the magic underwear speaking. Duh.
 
2013-02-01 10:58:31 AM  
I disagree with Huntsman on a great many things, but at least he's not... you know... dogmatic and insane.
 
2013-02-01 10:59:27 AM  
Huntsman is positioning himself to be the new Ron Paul.  Without the racist, without the crazy, with extra heaping helpings of BSB, and a probable third-party run.
 
2013-02-01 11:00:32 AM  

Granny_Panties: The McCain and Romney types scare the crap out me.


They may both scare you, but please tell me it's for different reasons, as they're
not all that similar.
 
2013-02-01 11:00:35 AM  

Calmamity: All this talk about reforming the Republican Party.

Great, do it. You show me a party that is for less government intrusion and is pro Constitution (like, ALL of the amendments, including the second) without being xenophobic, homophobic, erotophobic and racist and we'll talk.

We'll still be stuck on economics, seeing as how I believe Reaganomics is responsible for damn near all of the money woes this country is facing, but we can at least have a conversation.


I'll be in my bunk.
 
2013-02-01 11:01:15 AM  

Granny_Panties: I could live with a Republican president similar to Ronald Reagan if one was elected. The McCain and Romney types scare the crap out me. If the GOP would have ran a Reagan Republican they would have probably beat Obama this time around.


Reagan was to the left of Mitt Romney. Republican voters would have crucified him as a RINO.
 
2013-02-01 11:01:29 AM  
If all these high-profiled characters in the Republican party don't actively like what the Republican party stands for, has anyone asked why are they still in the Republican party? It's not like "no compromise" has suddenly been a new thing in your party, Mr. Huntsman. Or that Republicans have recently started to hate immigrants, Mr. Jindal.
 
2013-02-01 11:02:11 AM  
Having a few first principles upon which there can be no compromise is healthy for a party, helping to shape the shared worldview that will inform all their other decisions and giving the whole organization a firmer moral character.

If you find yourself raising the kind of cups your legislative body's cafeteria uses to that exalted status however, you may have a problem.
 
2013-02-01 11:03:01 AM  

MisterRonbo: Huntsman is positioning himself to be the new Ron Paul  Arlen Specter.

 
2013-02-01 11:03:58 AM  

Weaver95: I don't know what he's planning...but the Republican leadership isn't going to take his comments very well.  you DO NOT question the GOP 'conventional wisdom' that compromise with Obama or the Democrats is evil.  Nor do you break ranks, question the GOP leadership or the basic assumptions of the Republican platform.


By "GOP leadership" I presume you mean Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. as opposed to actual politicians?
 
2013-02-01 11:04:00 AM  

Granny_Panties: I could live with a Republican president similar to Ronald Reagan if one was elected. The McCain and Romney types scare the crap out me. If the GOP would have ran a Reagan Republican they would have probably beat Obama this time around.


Obama is a Reagan Republican.
 
2013-02-01 11:04:27 AM  
But most the leading voices in that unofficial contest are conservative figures like Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.).

Is there another Paul Ryan from Wisconsin in the House? Because the one I saw last fall seemed to herp with the derpiest of them.

Huntsman is the only R who ran last year I would have voted for, seeing as he's the only one who didn't seem like a lunatic and/or a smug bastard.
 
2013-02-01 11:04:38 AM  

mahuika: I mean, he could just feel that the GOP has become anti-compromise and feel obligated or inspired to try and do something about it. I know we're all cynical about politics for good reason, but the whole article is basically, "John Huntsman an American politician is doing good things that won't benefit him personally. What is his angle!?!?"


Haven't read this particular article, but I suppose this story pops up all the time whenever a politician does something that's neither evil nor that pol resigning.
 
2013-02-01 11:06:01 AM  
i keep hearing about all this "party purge" or RINO stuff....yet all these farkers still have an (R) by their name.  Not that most of us haven't noticed it by now, but it's mostly "fark democrats" that they are after.   When all of these "RINO"s start identifying as something other than Republican, I'll give two shiats what they think, say, or do.
 
2013-02-01 11:07:55 AM  
Huntsman strikes me as a true believer rather than an opportunist like Jindal or Christie. He isn't a wily showman who is exploiting an untapped market. He wants to take the party in a more centrist direction because he believes that is the best course for the party and the country. He's still got the same socially regressive social theories and magic trickle down economic theories of conservatives so I wouldn't vote for him but he's basically like the Bill Clinton of the right without any of the charm.

Of course, the fact that the derp wing is on a path will inevitably destroy them and take the GOP out of political power means that people like him will be all that stand after the rest fall off the cliffs of insanity. So maybe he really is ensuring his political future, depending on how fast you think the GOP will implode.
 
2013-02-01 11:08:20 AM  
He's thinking "Now that I don't have to run for office in a DERP district or state I can voice sane ideas out loud."
 
2013-02-01 11:15:30 AM  

PonceAlyosha: mahuika: John Huntsman is doing good things that won't benefit him personally. What is his angle!?!?"

I'm pretty sure distancing himself from the current state of the GOP benefits him immensely.


Yeah, that's totally been working out great for him.

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2013-02-01 11:17:39 AM  
Time for a third party?

Start with:
Jon Huntsman
Colin Powell
Chris Christie
Add in all the other RINOs and non-crazy republicans, and you might end up with a viable third party. Kind of messes up any kind of electoral college predictions for 2016. No idea what would happen with a group like that in the race.
 
2013-02-01 11:17:42 AM  
I'd argue he's trying to change the party and he's daring those who oppose him to kick him out.
 
2013-02-01 11:19:41 AM  
Someone is trying to break the Tea Party stranglehold on the GOP.

Too little to late Jon
 
2013-02-01 11:22:37 AM  

mahuika: I mean, he could just feel that the GOP has become anti-compromise and feel obligated or inspired to try and do something about it. I know we're all cynical about politics for good reason, but the whole article is basically, "John Huntsman is doing good things that won't benefit him personally. What is his angle!?!?"


Always assume a politician has an angle.  95% of the time, you'll be right.
 
2013-02-01 11:24:01 AM  

Solon Isonomia: I'd argue he's trying to change the party and he's daring those who oppose him to kick him out.


I don't know if they've officially "kicked him out", but it has made his political career completely and utterly irrelevant.
 
2013-02-01 11:24:04 AM  

Weaver95: I don't know what he's planning...but the Republican leadership isn't going to take his comments very well.  you DO NOT question the GOP 'conventional wisdom' that compromise with Obama or the Democrats is evil.  Nor do you break ranks, question the GOP leadership or the basic assumptions of the Republican platform.


Who is the GOP leadership?  That Rinsed Penis fellow, weeping Boner or that fat oxycotin addict on the radio?
 
2013-02-01 11:25:02 AM  

CokeBear: Time for a third party?

Start with:
Jon Huntsman
Colin Powell
Chris Christie
Add in all the other RINOs and non-crazy republicans, and you might end up with a viable third party. Kind of messes up any kind of electoral college predictions for 2016. No idea what would happen with a group like that in the race.


Maybe Colin Powell could manufacture evidence of a nuclear terrorist threat in the GOP and scare a bunch of people over into the new party.  It worked for Iraq!
 
2013-02-01 11:25:12 AM  

Wellon Dowd: But most the leading voices in that unofficial contest are conservative figures like Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.).

Is there another Paul Ryan from Wisconsin in the House? Because the one I saw last fall seemed to herp with the derpiest of them.

Huntsman is the only R who ran last year I would have voted for, seeing as he's the only one who didn't seem like a lunatic and/or a smug bastard.


That idiot Ryan gets a free pass no matter what, it seems. I long for the day when the press collectively realizes he might not actually be a "policy and budget wonk" after all.
 
2013-02-01 11:27:16 AM  

odinsposse: Huntsman strikes me as a true believer rather than an opportunist like Jindal or Christie. He isn't a wily showman who is exploiting an untapped market. He wants to take the party in a more centrist direction because he believes that is the best course for the party and the country.  He's still got the same socially regressive social theories and magic trickle down economic theories of conservatives so I wouldn't vote for him but he's basically like the Bill Clinton of the right without any of the charm.

Of course, the fact that the derp wing is on a path will inevitably destroy them and take the GOP out of political power means that people like him will be all that stand after the rest fall off the cliffs of insanity. So maybe he really is ensuring his political future, depending on how fast you think the GOP will implode.


Well, he is a Republican after all
 
2013-02-01 11:29:54 AM  

lilbjorn: What the bloody fark is Jon Huntsman planning?

Running against Jindal as "the sane Republican" in 2016.


You can lead a party of the insane if you aren't one of them. My guess is he's out of the race even earlier than in 2012.
 
2013-02-01 11:32:43 AM  

MacEnvy: lilbjorn: What the bloody fark is Jon Huntsman planning?

Running against Jindal as "the sane Republican" in 2016.

You can lead a party of the insane if you aren't one of them. My guess is he's out of the race even earlier than in 2012.


shiat, I meant "can't". Kind of ruins my meaning.
 
2013-02-01 11:37:35 AM  

mahuika: I mean, he could just feel that the GOP has become anti-compromise and feel obligated or inspired to try and do something about it. I know we're all cynical about politics for good reason, but the whole article is basically, "John Huntsman is doing good things that won't benefit him personally. What is his angle!?!?"


He's still a nut on many subjects, but he's less crazy than Santorum or Bachmann by any assessment.
 
2013-02-01 11:44:00 AM  

HeartBurnKid: mahuika: I mean, he could just feel that the GOP has become anti-compromise and feel obligated or inspired to try and do something about it. I know we're all cynical about politics for good reason, but the whole article is basically, "John Huntsman is doing good things that won't benefit him personally. What is his angle!?!?"

Always assume a politician has an angle.  95% of the time, you'll be right.


Only 95%?
 
2013-02-01 11:47:05 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That idiot Ryan gets a free pass no matter what, it seems.


THIS.  They guy is so sleazy he actually charges his constituents $15 to ask him a question during town hall events.
 
2013-02-01 11:48:38 AM  

Kome: Weaver95: I don't know what he's planning...but the Republican leadership isn't going to take his comments very well.  you DO NOT question the GOP 'conventional wisdom' that compromise with Obama or the Democrats is evil.  Nor do you break ranks, question the GOP leadership or the basic assumptions of the Republican platform.

By "GOP leadership" I presume you mean Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. as opposed to actual politicians?


there doesn't seem to be a single GOP leader.  it's more like leadership is shared between a loose council of infotainment pundits and congressional leaders.  with input from shadowy 'leadership councils' and lobbying groups of course.
 
2013-02-01 11:51:54 AM  
I know that compared to the current crop of republicans, Jon Huntsman looks positively farking radiant, but lets not forget that this is a guy who had nothing but effusive praise for the Paul Ryan budget.

He may be a moderate on social issues, but on economic issues, he's on all fours with his mouth wide open, eager to pleasure his fellow billionaires and corporate interest masters.
 
2013-02-01 11:52:12 AM  
Huntsman seems like a very rational and intelligent person, so the GOP will do all that they can to make sure he's never in a position of power again.
 
2013-02-01 11:52:48 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: Same as Christie, Jindal, etc.

Goddamn RINO Libdumbs. HANG THEM!


Not sure if serious, or completely missed the point
 
2013-02-01 11:56:04 AM  

Zerochance: I know that compared to the current crop of republicans, Jon Huntsman looks positively farking radiant, but lets not forget that this is a guy who had nothing but effusive praise for the Paul Ryan budget.

He may be a moderate on social issues, but on economic issues, he's on all fours with his mouth wide open, eager to pleasure his fellow billionaires and corporate interest masters.


It's unfortunate that the GOP has become so recklessly vindictive and insane that "just plain shiatty" has become a refreshing change.
 
2013-02-01 11:56:30 AM  

meat0918: odinsposse: Huntsman strikes me as a true believer rather than an opportunist like Jindal or Christie. He isn't a wily showman who is exploiting an untapped market. He wants to take the party in a more centrist direction because he believes that is the best course for the party and the country.  He's still got the same socially regressive social theories and magic trickle down economic theories of conservatives so I wouldn't vote for him but he's basically like the Bill Clinton of the right without any of the charm.

Of course, the fact that the derp wing is on a path will inevitably destroy them and take the GOP out of political power means that people like him will be all that stand after the rest fall off the cliffs of insanity. So maybe he really is ensuring his political future, depending on how fast you think the GOP will implode.

Well, he is a Republican after all


He's basically the conservative Henry Wallace. Even looks like him too. Sure he has some socially regressive beliefs but he is one of the only national republicans I've heard that acknowledges gay rights (not marriage, but civil unions at least. It's still 3 levels above 90% of the party) and cares about science and discovery. He's no where a super liberal republicans but compared to the national party, he's a libby lib RINO and I'm fine with that. We need more people like him to make a viable party once more. There's a reason why you don't acknowledge the crazies and give them any say, because any hint of power and they will get drunk with power and screw us all over because "JESUS!!!!"

/at least mormons don't believe in Jesus in the same way
//not supposed to be a factual opinion
 
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