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(KTVB Boise)   Idaho considering changing Welfare Day to Welfare Week   (ktvb.com ) divider line
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2013-02-01 12:55:21 PM  
4 votes:

DubyaHater: I know a great way to get money throughout the month. It's called "Getting a job and receiving a paycheck". I received a deposit in my account today, and I'll be expecting one in another two weeks. It's an amazing concept.


When I was on food stamps, I had a job.

A job with a Fortune 500.

That job paid $11.50/hr with the constant threat of it being eliminated and sent to India, while the CEO raked in millions and he, like hundreds of other CEOs keep their employees wages as low as possible knowing the government will step in and help out his lower echelon employees with food stamps, the Earned Income Tax Credit, the Child Tax Credit, and other programs.

Walmart is a worse offender, and their low wages cost us billions in expenditures as the government steps into support those people and families that can barely make ends meet.  And then Walmart gets a good chunk of the money they pay employees back, as they are often the cheapest around, and their employees often shop there for food and other stuff.  Hell, Walmart is one of the biggest benefactors of food stamps.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-01 09:33:16 AM  
3 votes:
Switch to weekly electronic transfers instead of monthly.
2013-02-01 03:44:50 PM  
1 vote:
count_chimpula: "Another element, which Rep. Perry says accounts for much of the cost, would be embossing recipients names onto cards, which she says that would help cut down on fraud."

Rep. Perry has no idea how food stamp fraud is committed.  It matters little whether one person uses another's card at a checkout counter, which is the only kind an embossed name could catch.  Also, the person checking the name is in on the fraud, in most cases.  $10 bottle of wine, $100 cash back, ring up $200 worth of pinto beans.

Yes, using someone else's card is fraud.  But preventing such use will not reduce government spending on food stamps by a dime.

The Agriculture Department estimates illegal food stamp schemes cost taxpayers $330 million a year.  Total food stamp benefits in 2012:  $75 billion.  That's a 0.44% fraud rate.  I'm not going to get worked up about it.
2013-02-01 03:27:09 PM  
1 vote:

jayphat: Only a troll would think that people owning a home and not on government insurance would be a hinderance to society.


Never said it was, said they should be "responsible" and stop expecting tax payers to subsidize their choice.

You want a house? awesome, why should you get welfare in the form of a tax credit? be "responsible" and pay for it yourself.

You want kids? Super, why should you get welfare in the form of a tax credit? be "responsible" and pay for then yourself.

You want private insurance? Fantastic, why should you get welfare in the form of a tax credit? be "responsible" and pay for it yourself.

Right. Personal responsibility. Well, unless you can get back more in tax dollars at the end of the year than you paid in. Then you're a responsible 'merica helping to stabilize society.

Unlike those drains who get an average of $133 a month for food.
2013-02-01 02:51:05 PM  
1 vote:

MyRandomName: TofuTheAlmighty: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.

You think food stamp recipients don't pay sales tax or payroll taxes (or state income taxes)? Pretty much the only progressive tax nowadays is the federal income tax. Why should my homeownership or health insurance be subsidized by public dollars? Food stamps, Section 8, the aforementioned deductions, preferential treatment of capital gains vs. wages - these are all transfers of wealth from the public coffers to individuals. They are all a form of welfare whether you want to believe it or not.

Capital gains are not preferrential, theyare different realizations on income .

Investments require risk. Working for aset paycheck does not .

Investments are long term gain. If it takes me 10 years of capital risk to make 100k the calculation is on a set sale for all gains. If you want it taxed at normal income you would need to remove all risk and do gains as if taken each year of the investment. For the above it would tax at the rate of 10k.

Stop the simple thinking that capital gains are equal to income. They are completely different vehicles.


They are just two different ways of making money. One costs risk - the other, work and time out of ones life. neither is morally or ethically superior to the other, and there is not and never has been any sound moral or ethical reason for taxing them differently.
If, on the other hand, we are simply making pragmatic arguments - well, everything changes. I can make all sorts of "pragmatic" suggestions that would be grossly unfair - but still pragmatically arguable.
Why is risk-taking somehow nobler, or more worthy than hard work?
2013-02-01 02:20:48 PM  
1 vote:

Flange!: how will the tax code be changed to compensate for the effective tax increase on homeowners and people responsible enough to carry their own health insurance.


why should we right? if you're "responsible" enough, you should be able to afford it without welfare from society through tax breaks.

Why should tax payers subsidize you owning a home? or having children?

Be responsible, don't take any tax credits, you sponge.
2013-02-01 02:16:48 PM  
1 vote:

nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.


Yes I do.  I went to school to ensure a good career.  I worked my butt off to get a foot in the door and never looked back.  Before I became gainfully employed in this field I worked in shiat jobs.  Everything from hanging Christmas lights to unloading trucks to being a prep cook to being a picker for Hilti.  You're damned right I feel superior to those that chose to not pick a career path that ensures they and their family are well taken care of.
2013-02-01 01:48:39 PM  
1 vote:

Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.


I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.
2013-02-01 01:11:59 PM  
1 vote:
If everybody was getting enough money to buy food for the whole month there wouldn't be a run on the store on the day the benefit was issued.
2013-02-01 12:46:10 PM  
1 vote:
I know a great way to get money throughout the month. It's called "Getting a job and receiving a paycheck". I received a deposit in my account today, and I'll be expecting one in another two weeks. It's an amazing concept.
2013-02-01 12:38:22 PM  
1 vote:
I read a different article about this yesterday, what they're proposing is changing it so not everybody gets their card recharged on the first. Instead, they'll do it by last name or last digits of your social or some combination of that so not everyone is hitting the store on the first.  What they're not proposing is giving a weekly amount instead of monthly.

Honestly, it makes more sense to stagger it out so it doesn't hit the retailers as hard with everyone emptying the shelves over the course of a couple of days.
2013-02-01 12:10:42 PM  
1 vote:
Make it the full disbursement over the first 10 days of the month, based on the last digit of your social security number.

It's what Oregon does, and yes, you'll have to adjust to the change and it will probably suck the first few months for both recipients and businesses (despite businesses driving the change).

Long term it will make things easier on all shoppers and the businesses.

Disbursing it all on one day is just dumb.  Why did they change it to all in one day in the first place?

//Former food stamp recipient, now making enough to gladly pay my taxes to help fund such a successful and valuable program.
2013-02-01 12:05:30 PM  
1 vote:

Millennium: Accepting your caricature for the sake of argument, I'd think they would at least have noticed that they'd only have to be open for half as many days under the per-week plan as the 10-day plan, which should save a significant amount of money in the long run. That should have gotten their attention.


They don't explain WHY it'll cost an extra million bucks to implement their current plan so one can only assume they're more interested in some more cheddar or they are completely incompetent. Don't try to figure out their thought process. It will only infuriate/confuse you. Just accept that the majority of them are half witted scumbags.
2013-02-01 12:01:50 PM  
1 vote:

here to help: Millennium: Why did no one consider this?

Because rich white guys who go into politics as a career have no fuggin' common sense or experience with anything other than pandering just enough to stay in office and screwing over the competition. Real life problems make no sense to them... that's why all their "solutions" suck balls.


Accepting your caricature for the sake of argument, I'd think they would at least have noticed that they'd only have to be open for half as many days under the per-week plan as the 10-day plan, which should save a significant amount of money in the long run. That should have gotten their attention.
2013-02-01 11:57:56 AM  
1 vote:
FTA : "I would like to use this money to educate people on how they can use their food stamps more efficiently and stretch them over the month. They do not have to be used on the first of the month. They can be used throughout the month," said Senator Pattie Anne Lodge, R-Huston.

I'd imagine that the guy the recipient sells the card to for 50 cents on the dollar is well aware of that fact.
2013-02-01 11:50:44 AM  
1 vote:

ZAZ: Switch to weekly electronic transfers instead of monthly.


This. You'd only need half as many transfer days as the current proposal -less than half, actually- and you wouldn't overload the retailers (or recipients) nearly as much since you'd be spreading things out over the whole month. Why did no one consider this?
2013-02-01 11:49:42 AM  
1 vote:
Uh... why exactly would it cost a million bucks to do this? Aren't these just done electronically? But yeah... once a month checks are brutal especially for folks who aren't exactly known to be good with money. First of the month send them their rent money and half their living allowance/food allowance. Then send the other half mid month... but leave the option open for for those who'd rather continue using the current method.
2013-02-01 11:44:46 AM  
1 vote:
Is subby pissed that he only appreciates his health insurance and mortgage interest deductions once or twice a year? Those are worth way more than food stamps, you mooching piece of shiat.
2013-02-01 11:44:33 AM  
1 vote:
Since this is not the politics tab, remember to be nice in this thread.

In general the increase in food stamps does not mean that there is something wrong with the recipients, it means that there is something horribly wrong with this country.
2013-02-01 11:42:24 AM  
1 vote:
I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.
2013-02-01 11:37:36 AM  
1 vote:
The proposal is to issue benefits over 10 days each month, and print recipient's names on their benefit cards.

Surprised they don't do this already.  MN recently had to pass a law that prohibits the cards from being used out of state.  Too many people on food stamps were using them while on vacation.
2013-02-01 09:41:14 AM  
1 vote:
Idaho?

I thought food stamps were only used by lazy "urban" welfare queens with plasma Xbox flat screen refrigerator Obama phones?
 
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